Beware of UGL: Chemical Muscle - Worrisome Recent Events - Contaminated Gear

[austinite]

Warning to all members:


- Underground Lab: Chemical Muscle
- UGL product status: Contaminated/Impure
- Multiple reports of infections: Yes
- Images/Other proof provided: Yes

Recently, yet another member has complained of developing an infection from unsanitary gear. This one was considerably bad and reached a dangerous stage. We've had several complaints about this UGL in the past and have attempted to warn members.

Once again, I urge you all to be cautious. These folks that have been infected were communicating with another member (or two) in order to purchase the steroids . Be very careful when someone on the forum is excited and eager to help you buy steroids . These are troublesome signs of either a dealer or a rep attempting to take advantage of you. Which is exactly what happened here. These "Bathtub Brewers" are producing dirty gear and selling it to you.

If anyone is guiding you on how to purchase, it's likely you're being scammed into buying from them. I ask that you please report any such activity so that we can better protect the members. I know that folks do not want to hear "No, your gear is likely contaminated, stay away", because you're excited to get started. But remember, the staff members here have your best interest, the seller does not. No one is forced to take the advice, but we're urging you to think twice before you listen to another member helping you in private.

There are times where details have to be suppressed due to ongoing investigations behind the scenes, but we won't shy away from warning you. We have threads/guides on how to avoid being scammed. Do your research and don't believe wild claims such as "2 testosterone shots at 100 mg each took me from 400 ng/dl to 3000 + ng/dl.", or similar "Pushing" type reviews. These members are merely promoters and will financially gain from your misfortune. We need you to report these members in the 1 on 1 section, or contact a staff member you're comfortable with so we can protect other members.

Stay smart and healthy.

~ Austinite

[PistolPete33]

Wow, that's awful. Would rather be sold bunk gear that is just sterile oil than dirty gear that can cause major infections and/or death. Scary crap for sure!!!! Please be safe people.

[AD]

Bump. This sounds really serious.

[Ibasmusi]

Wow. Thanks!

[qscgugcsq]

Was going to order from them...

Looks like I have to find another lab


does contamined oral are harmfull??

Was thinking of still trying there anavar ...

[austinite]

Was going to order from them...

Looks like I have to find another lab


does contamined oral are harmfull??

Was thinking of still trying there anavar...

Well, at this stage I honestly wouldn't trust any of it. It's the smart thing to do.

[Matt]

Was going to order from them...

Looks like I have to find another lab


does contamined oral are harmfull??

Was thinking of still trying there anavar...

I tell you now, if you use any of their gear you are seriously putting your health at risk...

Three members have now received hospital treatment using this gear, you will be safer and no doubt see better gains if your were to go out and eat dog shlt.....

[AD]

Even clean genuine oral aas harms the liver to a certain extent. What could contaminated orals do? I rather not find out.

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there are too many potential sources out there, IMO, to risk ever dealing with a source with such a horrible reputation.. just not worth it!

[qscgugcsq]

Thats unfortunate, they had a great selection of product...

I still not understand why underground lab keep doing this shit...

If they have a good source of raw material they would do so much more money by having well dosed and sterile gear(sterilize gear is not hard....)

Thats a shame that the greeds makes them lose common sense.

Thanks for informing us about that crappy UGL.

[austinite]

Thats unfortunate, they had a great selection of product...

I still not understand why underground lab keep doing this shit...

If they have a good source of raw material they would do so much more money by having well dosed and sterile gear(sterilize gear is not hard....)

Thats a shame that the greeds makes them lose common sense.

Thanks for informing us about that crappy UGL.

Some people know how to print nice labels, just don't know how to brew.

[Hazard]

as I said in the lounge..... this goes beyond a standard hot red lump infection and a fever. Something like that can be attributed to bad injection technique. One particular member got Mrsa..... an antibiotic resistant infection. This is why its necessary for us to warn members. I know what it's like to shell out money and get fvcked over..... but it's our job to keep our members safe. Beyond this..... theres nothing else we can do to protect you. take it for what it's worth.....

[Rwy]

Wow mrsa is no ****ing joke. Thats TERRIBLE

[magic32]

I tell you now, if you use any of their gear you are seriously putting your health at risk...

Three members have now received hospital treatment using this gear, you will be safer and no doubt see better gains if your were to go out and eat dog shlt.....

LOL, I'll buy the safer comment Matt, but you're going to have to show me some solid research on the gains from eating dog crap!

[Buster Brown]

Have been using there Tren A all cycle long. May be time to come off before a problem arises.

[BBJT200]

I love how we have yet another thread where only the moderators of this forum are making these claims. Clearly none of the mods would even bother using UGL gear to begin with (in most cases), how about lets see some personal reports of issues?

thinking back to all of the drama and lies that went through the UGL review section over the last two months, this just makes me wonder if maybe someone at CM pissed off the admins here and they are trying to squash his business? Just speculation, but I'm interested to see if we can find any of these so called members that got mrsa. I've been using CM gear since last year and have not once had an issue, never even heard of any issues either aside from the claims by mods here.

Care to clear that up? It's just suspicious to say the least. Oh, and not to mention a bunch of the people who stood up for CM in the past were banned or severely 'punished' on the site.


If this is a REAL issue and not just some petty drama over money/sales competition, I think we should know. But as it stands, you still have produced no evidence Austinite. Please provide the evidence that you have, as you noted above.

[Rwy]

How is their competition? Its not like the board has their own UGL. I speak to different staff and mods in PM all the time and I can tell you when we discuss sources there is no single source being pushed.

Austin takes his staff job pretty serious. I am sure the owners of the site appreciate him and I am sure some members will get annoyed. Its just the nature of how people are.

However I think if even one person has got an infection the source should be outed. Why are you so sensitive to the situation? Do you have that strong a relationship with someone you buy gear off the internet from?

[Matt]

I love how we have yet another thread where only the moderators of this forum are making these claims. Clearly none of the mods would even bother using UGL gear to begin with (in most cases), how about lets see some personal reports of issues?

thinking back to all of the drama and lies that went through the UGL review section over the last two months, this just makes me wonder if maybe someone at CM pissed off the admins here and they are trying to squash his business? Just speculation, but I'm interested to see if we can find any of these so called members that got mrsa. I've been using CM gear since last year and have not once had an issue, never even heard of any issues either aside from the claims by mods here.

Care to clear that up? It's just suspicious to say the least. Oh, and not to mention a bunch of the people who stood up for CM in the past were banned or severely 'punished' on the site.


If this is a REAL issue and not just some petty drama over money/sales competition, I think we should know. But as it stands, you still have produced no evidence Austinite. Please provide the evidence that you have, as you noted above.

Yesterday a thread was started by a regular member, many here saw that thread before it was placed into moderation, this was proof enough for anyone that read it.. Why on earth would you disbelieve what we are saying, anyone of the staff here could have posted this thread including myself and until a couple of days ago i had no beef with the ugl mentioned.

I have now seen pictures and spoken to three, yes three members that have spent days in hospital after using this garbage. In all my years i have never seen or heard of gear from any ugl being so bad. I am a staff member on numerous boards or senior/vip member and i am in the process of warning all.. This is serious and needs to be treated as such...

I really don't understand your post here, why would anyone make this up?? This board doesn't sell or endorse any other ugl so why would we attack this particular one?? Doesn't make sense...

[BBJT200]

How is their competition? Its not like the board has their own UGL. I speak to different staff and mods in PM all the time and I can tell you when we discuss sources there is no single source being pushed.

Austin takes his staff job pretty serious. I am sure the owners of the site appreciate him and I am sure some members will get annoyed. Its just the nature of how people are.

However I think if even one person has got an infection the source should be outed. Why are you so sensitive to the situation? Do you have that strong a relationship with someone you buy gear off the internet from?

AR-R , their site sponsor.
Lowtestosterone.com

Those are competition for starters.

Another possibility could be that we have some mods working for larger companies such as big pharma or major overseas UGL's?

I know austinite takes his job seriously. He provides a ton of good information and quality advice, but this is something I have seen pushed and the staff here refuse to actually provide the evidence they claim.

I don't have a strong relationship with someone I buy gear from off the internet. I have strong feelings about backing up your claims, especially when someone elses livelihood is at stake. If I were in CM's position, I'd be pissed! Anyone can make a claim like this about ANY lab and the lab has no way of defending itself!

If this truly is a threat, I'd like the proof so I can justify trashing my oils. If not, I'm going to continue using them as I have been. At that point I'm not even going to bother posting here anymore....there's a lot of good resources for information here, but there appears to be a hidden agenda that is not compatible with a "unbiased steroid information website"

[RockShawn]

I love how we have yet another thread where only the moderators of this forum are making these claims. Clearly none of the mods would even bother using UGL gear to begin with (in most cases), how about lets see some personal reports of issues?

thinking back to all of the drama and lies that went through the UGL review section over the last two months, this just makes me wonder if maybe someone at CM pissed off the admins here and they are trying to squash his business? Just speculation, but I'm interested to see if we can find any of these so called members that got mrsa. I've been using CM gear since last year and have not once had an issue, never even heard of any issues either aside from the claims by mods here.

Care to clear that up? It's just suspicious to say the least. Oh, and not to mention a bunch of the people who stood up for CM in the past were banned or severely 'punished' on the site.


If this is a REAL issue and not just some petty drama over money/sales competition, I think we should know. But as it stands, you still have produced no evidence Austinite. Please provide the evidence that you have, as you noted above.

good point.

[Matt]

Have been using there Tren A all cycle long. May be time to come off before a problem arises.

Seriously mate do yourself a favour, its just not worth the risk, all three members began using this gear and reported that it was good, they all now regret ever touching it....

[Mp859]

I saw it and saw his butt infection. Not pretty!!


I wouldn't use their gear if it was the only lab around

[Hazard]

I love how we have yet another thread where only the moderators of this forum are making these claims. Clearly none of the mods would even bother using UGL gear to begin with (in most cases), how about lets see some personal reports of issues?

thinking back to all of the drama and lies that went through the UGL review section over the last two months, this just makes me wonder if maybe someone at CM pissed off the admins here and they are trying to squash his business? Just speculation, but I'm interested to see if we can find any of these so called members that got mrsa. I've been using CM gear since last year and have not once had an issue, never even heard of any issues either aside from the claims by mods here.

Care to clear that up? It's just suspicious to say the least. Oh, and not to mention a bunch of the people who stood up for CM in the past were banned or severely 'punished' on the site.

If this is a REAL issue and not just some petty drama over money/sales competition, I think we should know. But as it stands, you still have produced no evidence Austinite. Please provide the evidence that you have, as you noted above.

The thread was started by the member who contracted mrsa. He went into full detail regarding everything. I'm sorry you didn't see it..... Many members did. Maybe one of them will come forward to say they saw it and even posted in it.

Take it for what it's worth..... If u want to continue using them then so be it. Continue supporting them..... Jut don say we didn't warn you

[Rwy]

I dont know dude. Everyone has had to trash gear and it sucks but at the end of the day no one can force your hand. If you want to keep taking it then keep taking it.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges in regards to ar-r and lowt.com

[Hazard]

Just so everyone knows..... MEMBERS of this site blew up CM's spot! NOT STAFF

You are truely ridiculous..... When members come forward and tell us what happened we put your. Interest first and let you know. Then you come on an accuse us of trashing a ugl who doesn't even have a great reputation to begin with. Catch mrsa for all I fvckin care. Sometimes you really question why you even bother helping people. Then you remember that even if you help one person..... It's worth it.

[RockShawn]

The thread was started by the member who contracted mrsa. He went into full detail regarding everything. I'm sorry you didn't see it..... Many members did. Maybe one of them will come forward to say they saw it and even posted in it.

Take it for what it's worth..... If u want to continue using them then so be it. Continue supporting them..... Jut don say we didn't warn you

MRSA has to live on the surface of the skin. Is there not the possibility this person contracted it because he/she took a shot where MRSA was present on their skin? Then any injection would cause that. Staph doesn't live in oily solutions, it is transfered by contact - skin to skin contact

[Hazard]

The pics are real and the members complaints are real. I can't just post those pictures up without permission. Unlike the ugl's..... I have a policy to adhere to.

[Lunk1]

To BBJT and anyone else who has an interest. I responded to the original thread that was posted by a regular member (with no reason to have an agenda) and can tell you he is fighting an uphill battle due to this issue. I am not staff and I don't support any of the common used UGL's. My main sources are friends that I trust and any of you who have PMd me for a source know that I don't share them due to a number of reasons, this being one of them.

This warning being issued is in the best interest of the board and it's members. It in no way benefits staff. The staff do not get paid nor receive kick backs from any of the site sponsors. They have NOTHING but the best interest of the sites members in mind and in heart when posting this warning.

If you use this UGL and you believe the warnings are false, by all means keep playing Russian Roulette. Just expect a good ole "I told ya so" if and when you return to ask for advise on your infection.

[Hazard]

MRSA has to live on the surface of the skin. Is there not the possibility this person contracted it because he/she took a shot where MRSA was present on their skin? Then any injection would cause that. Staph doesn't live in oily solutions, it is transfered by contact - skin to skin contact

So ur saying mrsa couldn't have been on the vial? Then he touched it?

I worked in the medical field since I was 18..... I've disinfected and sterilized instruments that were used on mrsa infected patients.

[Matt]

So ur saying mrsa couldn't have been on the vial? Then he touched it?

I worked in the medical field since I was 18..... I've disinfected and sterilized instruments that were used on mrsa infected patients.

Correct, mrsa can live on just about anything and not just the skin....

[RockShawn]

So ur saying mrsa couldn't have been on the vial? Then he touched it?

I worked in the medical field since I was 18..... I've disinfected and sterilized instruments that were used on mrsa infected patients.

to my knowledge MRSA dies on non organic surfaces. It lives on the skin and is transferred by skin to skin contact. then when you puncture or wound yourself, it can enter the body. I've had it before. this is what was explainde to me cause my concern was touching anything in the house and transferring it to other family members. he told me it is infected area contact only. not dorr knobs and such.

[RockShawn]

Correct, mrsa can live on just about anything and not just the skin....

it might live for a few minutes or hours, but not the time it takes to receive DVDs - just my .02 If i'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Matt]

it might live for a few minutes or hours, but not the time it takes to receive DVDs - just my .02 If i'm wrong I'm wrong.

Your wrong mate...

Taken from an NHS site....

MRSA is caused by strains of bacteria that have developed resistance to a number of widely used antibiotics.
How MRSA spreads

MRSA bacteria are usually spread through skin-to-skin contact with someone who has an MRSA infection or who is colonised by the bacteria. Colonised means bacteria are present on your body but do not cause any symptoms.
The bacteria can also spread through contact with towels, sheets, clothes, dressings or other objects that have been used by a person infected with or colonised by MRSA.
MRSA can survive for long periods on objects or surfaces, such as door handles, sinks, floors and cleaning equipment.

[Hazard]

to my knowledge MRSA dies on non organic surfaces. It lives on the skin and is transferred by skin to skin contact. then when you puncture or wound yourself, it can enter the body. I've had it before. this is what was explainde to me cause my concern was touching anything in the house and transferring it to other family members. he told me it is infected area contact only. not dorr knobs and such.

Sterilization was my field of specialty for 8 years. I was tested on proper technique an devices for different surfaces. I'm trained in auto-clave, gas plasma, and ethylene oxide sterilization. I've also been trained in disinfection using various chemicals and washer sterilizers. I've even had to use toxic aldehydes such as glutaraldehyde. I know what I'm talking about. If that's not enough.....

From the CDC website.....

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2013-117/

How does MRSA spread?

MRSA spreads when people touch infected skin, pus, or surfaces where it is present.
Surfaces include personal items, such as razors, clothing, towels, and bedsheets.
Surfaces include things commonly used by everybody, such as doorknobs and gym equipment.
MRSA can spread by tattooing done by inmates.

[tarmyg]

Perhaps it would have been appropriate for a Board Admin to send a Board Wide Private message to members warning them when it is this serious!

~T

[Fcastle357]

What do we know about the people infected. Were you there when they took their injections. Did you witness their process before injection? Or are you just repeating that the said it came from cm? Not a lot of hard evidence or any at all except the person saying it came from cm. All a picture tells is that yeah their infected but nothing about what happened before. Unless you saw them give themselves the shot how do you really know. I respect the members.

[Matt]

Perhaps it would have been appropriate for a Board Admin to send a Board Wide Private message to members warning them when it is this serious!

~T

That would be ok except many new members don't have access to pm's..

[RockShawn]

Your wrong mate...

Taken from an NHS site....

MRSA is caused by strains of bacteria that have developed resistance to a number of widely used antibiotics.
How MRSA spreads

MRSA bacteria are usually spread through skin-to-skin contact with someone who has an MRSA infection or who is colonised by the bacteria. Colonised means bacteria are present on your body but do not cause any symptoms.
The bacteria can also spread through contact with towels, sheets, clothes, dressings or other objects that have been used by a person infected with or colonised by MRSA.
MRSA can survive for long periods on objects or surfaces, such as door handles, sinks, floors and cleaning equipment.

Sterilization was my field of specialty for 8 years. I was tested on proper technique an devices for different surfaces. I'm trained in auto-clave, gas plasma, and ethylene oxide sterilization. I've also been trained in disinfection using various chemicals and washer sterilizers. I've even had to use toxic aldehydes such as glutaraldehyde. I know what I'm talking about. If that's not enough.....

From the CDC website.....

CDC - NIOSH Publications and Products - What is MRSA? (Correctional Officers) (2013-117)

How does MRSA spread?

MRSA spreads when people touch infected skin, pus, or surfaces where it is present.
Surfaces include personal items, such as razors, clothing, towels, and bedsheets.
Surfaces include things commonly used by everybody, such as doorknobs and gym equipment.
MRSA can spread by tattooing done by inmates.

gotcha guys. I'm obviously under the wrong assumption, so in this case the MRSA would had to have been either in the oil (can it survive there? IDK), on the skin that was punctured or on the pin itself?
this is assuming proper injection technique and sterilization of the vial of course.

[Lunk1]

What do we know about the people infected. Were you there when they took their injections. Did you witness their process before injection? Or are you just repeating that the said it came from cm? Not a lot of hard evidence or any at all except the person saying it came from cm. All a picture tells is that yeah their infected but nothing about what happened before. Unless you saw them give themselves the shot how do you really know. I respect the members.

Had this been an isolated case then your concerns would be warranted but considering multiple ppl have reported issues in a short time then it becomes obvious there is a common denominator.

[Matt]

Had this been an isolated case then your concerns would be warranted but considering multiple ppl have reported issues in a short time then it becomes obvious there is a common denominator.

Exactly, if this had been just one person then we could possibly call into question his hygiene or injection protocol but when three people report the same issues using the same ugl then theres just no arguments...

This is why i see it as unique, over the years i have seen people picking up infections from dirty gear/pins/vials ect ect but never when using the same ugl at almost the same time....