question for my black AR brothers

[scriptfactory]

Very true!

It may be true, but they call black Africans and black Americans "schwarz (black)" or "neger (nigger)". It's pretty common. They even have nursery rhymes about little neger children and there are these chocolate-marshmallow treats they call "negerkopfs (nigger heads)"...

[Carlos_E]

Plus, they are always sick. They live in the hospital...

ROTFLMAO!

[Carlos_E]

It may be true, but they call black Africans and black Americans "schwarz (black)" or "neger (nigger)". It's pretty common. They even have nursery rhymes about little neger children and there are these chocolate-marshmallow treats they call "negerkopfs (nigger heads)"...

Is this common in Germany or only in small villages? You did say your wife comes from a small village.

[scriptfactory]

Is this common in Germany or only in small villages? You did say your wife comes from a small village.

In the larger cities or towns with a military population like Kaiserslautern, Berlin, Koeln, Frankfurt, Munich, etc. people don't speak like that. You almost never hear the word "neger", only "schwarz". In smaller towns and villages it gets pretty retarded. Not really racist, just kinda' ignorant.

This girl (a friend of my woman) picked up my son and was like, "Oh', he doesn't look like a typical neger baby." I got pissed and left the room. She really had no idea why I was mad. Another lady was like, "Oh', your son is very tan. What? He's half-neger? Well, it's not his fault." This stuff only happens amongst the "country people" as they call them here.

[Wiggum]

In the larger cities or towns with a military population like Kaiserslautern, Berlin, Koeln, Frankfurt, Munich, etc. people don't speak like that. You almost never hear the word "neger", only "schwarz". In smaller towns and villages it gets pretty retarded. Not really racist, just kinda' ignorant.

This girl (a friend of my woman) picked up my son and was like, "Oh', he doesn't look like a typical neger baby." I got pissed and left the room. She really had no idea why I was mad. Another lady was like, "Oh', your son is very tan. What? He's half-neger? Well, it's not his fault." This stuff only happens amongst the "country people" as they call them here.

That doesn't sound much different that here in the US - small town versus big city thinking. Well, maybe with the exception of Philadelphia - one of the most racial cities around.

[Carlos_E]

In the larger cities or towns with a military population like Kaiserslautern, Berlin, Koeln, Frankfurt, Munich, etc. people don't speak like that. You almost never hear the word "neger", only "schwarz". In smaller towns and villages it gets pretty retarded. Not really racist, just kinda' ignorant.

This girl (a friend of my woman) picked up my son and was like, "Oh', he doesn't look like a typical neger baby." I got pissed and left the room. She really had no idea why I was mad. Another lady was like, "Oh', your son is very tan. What? He's half-neger? Well, it's not his fault." This stuff only happens amongst the "country people" as they call them here.

When I was in high school a foreign exchange student came up to me and asked at what age did I learn English. I said I was born here, I grew up speaking English. He was confused. He told me he learned in school that Blacks in America speak a totally different language than English.

[QuieTSToRM33]

What if you are of dominican or Hatian Descent?

Since when are Dominicans referred to as African American ..... last time i checked we're considered Hispanic ..... dont know where ur getting that crazy idea from

[biglouie250]

Since when are Dominicans referred to as African American ..... last time i checked we're considered Hispanic ..... dont know where ur getting that crazy idea from

im speaking about the stereotype of assuming a dark skinned person is african american.

[BajanBastard]

It may be true, but they call black Africans and black Americans "schwarz (black)" or "neger (nigger)". It's pretty common. They even have nursery rhymes about little neger children and there are these chocolate-marshmallow treats they call "negerkopfs (nigger heads)"...

"Neger! Neger! Chimney sweeper!" I think that's one of them.

In the larger cities or towns with a military population like Kaiserslautern, Berlin, Koeln, Frankfurt, Munich, etc. people don't speak like that. You almost never hear the word "neger", only "schwarz". In smaller towns and villages it gets pretty retarded. Not really racist, just kinda' ignorant.

This girl (a friend of my woman) picked up my son and was like, "Oh', he doesn't look like a typical neger baby." I got pissed and left the room. She really had no idea why I was mad. Another lady was like, "Oh', your son is very tan. What? He's half-neger? Well, it's not his fault." This stuff only happens amongst the "country people" as they call them here.

WTH?! You would think people would know better today.

[IronAdam]

When I was in high school a foreign exchange student came up to me and asked at what age did I learn English. I said I was born here, I grew up speaking English. He was confused. He told me he learned in school that Blacks in America speak a totally different language than English.

Ebonics is almost like a different language.

[Carlos_E]

Ebonics is almost like a different language.

It is not and I didn't grow up speaking it.

[taiboxa]

Black is the absence of color
im full of color and thats SUPER!

[diamonds]

Next, Chris Angel is going to reveal that he is really Black!!

Reminds me of that Ice Cube Documentary "Black/White". That show was a f'n joke. It's cool to be black these days......at least all the white girls like it!

Where all the WHITE women at?

[BajanBastard]

Next, Chris Angel is going to reveal that he is really Black!!

Reminds me of that Ice Cube Documentary "Black/White". That show was a f'n joke. It's cool to be black these days......at least all the white girls like it!

Where all the WHITE women at?

Rofl!

[*Narkissos*]

You admitted its because its how these people were raised. I think everyone has features they want to fix. My wife has complained about basically everything you mentioned.

Raised = primary socialisation

This is the where an individuals normative values are formed.

Racism.. embodied as self-hate: a parameter of the social climate as perpetuated by society's founders, influences the the child's cognitive development.

In this, racial prejudices, even against the child's own race, are formed.

Has nothing to do with Jesse Jackson.

If society, as perpetuated by the 'movers and shakers': i.e. the white corporate class, says that black is bad... this will be perpetuated... too by blacks though unconsciously.

Covert Racism.. aka aversive racisim.

~Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

Jesus bro.....what the **** do you call FUBU, Rocca Wear or Phat Farm? And those companies are owned by blacks. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
-no pun intended

Don't turn this into Black/White! It is a product of Urban culture. For the most part these companies target the people that live in underdeveloped, poor, urban communities; of which the majority of people happen to be of color.

No one called it a white/black issue.. simply one that is racially offensive.

Doesn't matter whether the perpatrators of said action are of the same ethinicity as myself.

If it's offensive.. it's offensive.

When a black dude calls me n*gga here... it bites me the same as if some white dude had to call me the same.

If a black calls me that he gets put on auto-ignore... because simply the word is an insult... as are the ads that class blacks as ignorant dolla-menu zealots.

I don't wear FUBU etc. They look like shit.

BET is owned by a white man...so much for 'black entertainment television... and it perpetuates black on black ignorance... black urban vices which in turn, due to it's prominence, must be cool.. mustn't it?

~Narkissos

[betatest]

Ebonics is almost like a different language.

I suppose technically we all speak with a different language. I have yet to chat with someone in english who uses 'perfect' vocabulary and grammar. I don't. There is always some form of slang or colloquialism mixed into the conversation, but that ain't necessarily a bad thing as long as the point comes across.

[J.S.N.]

Raised = primary socialisation

This is the where an individuals normative values are formed.

Racism.. embodied as self-hate: a parameter of the social climate as perpetuated by society's founders, influences the the child's cognitive development.

In this, racial prejudices, even against the child's own race, are formed.

Has nothing to do with Jesse Jackson.

If society, as perpetuated by the 'movers and shakers': i.e. the white corporate class, says that black is bad... this will be perpetuated... too by blacks though unconsciously.

Covert Racism.. aka aversive racisim.

~Narkissos

yes i think that's very true. you see alot of black people in america say speak very on their toes, worrying they're going to slip up and say somethign black. they'll say "i axed, i mean asked..." and stuff like that because if it's a lower level job their supervisors will ride them to talk standard american english, and but if they are working a career they just know that they will be looked down upon if they were to say , for example, "what he done axe you?" which would be grammatically typical of a traditional black english sentence structure, which is based upon certain grammatical rules from various west african languages (i believe Wolof is almost identicle grammatically to down south black english).

i reality it's stupid that people are all supposed to sound like the evening news or else they're stupid but most people don't see the double standard in discriminating against people who speak differently (as opposed to racism or sexism etc.).

[Carlos_E]

for example, "what he done axe you?" which would be grammatically typical of a traditional black english sentence structure

FYI...

NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE SPEAK THIS WAY! IT IS NOT TYPICAL OR TRADITIONAL!

People from the ghetto speak this way. Not all Black people come from ghettos.

[biglouie250]

i reality it's stupid that people are all supposed to sound like the evening news or else they're stupid but most people don't see the double standard in discriminating against people who speak differently (as opposed to racism or sexism etc.).

i wouldnt expect everyone to speak like the evening news but in certain jobs you must have a sense of professionalism. Would you feel comfortable trusting a lawyer, accountant, financial advisor that said "yea let me axe my mans how ya stocks doin?" Of course not. I have and im sure others have a "work vocabulary". In an office setting you want to project that professional attitude. You may say "dont judge a book by its cover" but books have pictures on the covers for a reason. In a more social setting i let my guard down a bit, but i still dont use words like "aint" or "holla", and I do cringe a bit when people butcher the language effectively making it sound like another language.

That being said everyone is guilty of mashing the english language, its rather difficult to perfect. Im sure there are numerous gramatical errors in all my responses lol! think im gonna start a thread about most hated ghetto phrase.....

[bigacct]

[QUOTE=big k.l.g]I know big Vic Dominican, what i'm saying is he says he's Latino yet he looks black. (Well to me)

You guys have got to know history. There were no Blacks in the Western Hemisphere (North America/Central America/Caribbean/South America) until slavery. From an anthropological viewpoint, only Indian inhabited this part of the world. I'm sorry to tell Victor, he may be Dominican, but he has African blood in his veins. According to the 2000 Census, 90% or more of the Dominican population is classified as Mulatto.

Race always matters everywhere in the world, not just America.

[biglouie250]

[QUOTE=bigacct]

I know big Vic Dominican, what i'm saying is he says he's Latino yet he looks black. (Well to me)

You guys have got to know history. There were no Blacks in the Western Hemisphere (North America/Central America/Caribbean/South America) until slavery. From an anthropological viewpoint, only Indian inhabited this part of the world. I'm sorry to tell Victor, he may be Dominican, but he has African blood in his veins. According to the 2000 Census, 90% or more of the Dominican population is classified as Mulatto.

Race always matters everywhere in the world, not just America.

well when can you say that one is part of any country? I mean i am of italian descent however im sure somewhere down the line my ancestors wandered from somewhere else to italy. so am i not really italian? I said it in my original post and ill reiterate. If you believe the scientific explanation of where humans first came from you will know that we ALL could be considered african americans. My problem with the term african american is that its used interchangabley with black, yet it shouldnt be. If your white and from africa are you an african american?

[scriptfactory]

[QUOTE=biglouie250]

well when can you say that one is part of any country? I mean i am of italian descent however im sure somewhere down the line my ancestors wandered from somewhere else to italy. so am i not really italian? I said it in my original post and ill reiterate. If you believe the scientific explanation of where humans first came from you will know that we ALL could be considered african americans. My problem with the term african american is that its used interchangabley with black, yet it shouldnt be. If your white and from africa are you an african american?

Well, yeah. Or you are more correctly a British African immigrant.

No, really. You know why the term African American was coined. Black Americans cannot trace their genealogy due to hundreds of years of slavery but they do know that their roots are in Africa.

[BajanBastard]

It's was also coined due to the fact at the time they weren't truly 'Americans', they didn't have the same rights as white America.

[biglouie250]

It's was also coined due to the fact at the time they weren't truly 'Americans', they didn't have the same rights as white America.

honestly i always thought it was coined by the black community as a sense of pride or something. the term really didnt show up till after the civil rights movement. then even blacks used the words "colored", which has since been deemed derogatory.

[bigacct]

[QUOTE=biglouie250]

well when can you say that one is part of any country? I mean i am of italian descent however im sure somewhere down the line my ancestors wandered from somewhere else to italy. so am i not really italian? I said it in my original post and ill reiterate. If you believe the scientific explanation of where humans first came from you will know that we ALL could be considered african americans. My problem with the term african american is that its used interchangabley with black, yet it shouldnt be. If your white and from africa are you an african american?

I totally agree with you on this "the term african american is that its used interchangabley with black, yet it shouldnt be". However, the whole world is focused on categorizing everything, especially nationality/race. Them versus us. Us versus them. Divide and Conquer. This seems to be human nature.

I was born and raised in NYC, however I am a first generation American who is Black. My roots are through Trinidad & Tobago and Panama (because of the slave trade). But when people see me, they don't say look at that guy from Trinidad/Tobago/Panama. They say look at that African-American guy, when the truth is, if you go back far enough, the entire world population started in Africa. So I dislike the term African American myself because by using this term, the American Marketing 800lb Gorilla assumes that ALL African Americans are Black/Negro. I have quite a few friends here in NYC who are white Africans (Nigerian & South African), whose kids are born in America. Does that make them African American too? By the American media standards, they wouldn't be.

To your point, when can you say that one is part of any country? When the powers that be within that country stops categorizing its people, and starts educating them.

The only time that we are all considered Americans, is when we have a threat to our National Security.

[BajanBastard]

Panama? What up cousin?

[bigacct]

Panama? What up cousin?

What's up my man! Where ALL distant cousins.

[Wrath]

Would you feel comfortable trusting a lawyer, accountant, financial advisor that said "yea let me axe my mans how ya stocks doin?" Of course not.

Wu tang financial....'diversify your portfolio yo"

[J.S.N.]

i wouldnt expect everyone to speak like the evening news but in certain jobs you must have a sense of professionalism. Would you feel comfortable trusting a lawyer, accountant, financial advisor that said "yea let me axe my mans how ya stocks doin?"

really it wouldn't make much difference to me, the terminology i wanna hear is the insider stockbrokerese from a from legalese from a lawyer, etc.

there's always a question of having to be able to understand another person, but like i was saying earlier it's just prejudice. saying "would you trust someone speaking black english as your lawyer" is the same as saying "would you trsut a black guy as your lawyer?" you're just shifting the prejudice from the actual race to the dialect associated with the race.

[IronAdam]

really it wouldn't make much difference to me, the terminology i wanna hear is the insider stockbrokerese from a from legalese from a lawyer, etc.

there's always a question of having to be able to understand another person, but like i was saying earlier it's just prejudice. saying "would you trust someone speaking black english as your lawyer" is the same as saying "would you trsut a black guy as your lawyer?" you're just shifting the prejudice from the actual race to the dialect associated with the race.

That's in no way predjudice. Being a good lawyer means being a master with words, a lawyer speaking "black english" wouldn't be my first choice for legal representation, whether he's black or white. There's a certain code of conduct required in the courtroom and having someone with the vocabulary of 50 cent represent you would probably get your case dismissed.

[Carlos_E]

That's in no way predjudice. Being a good lawyer means being a master with words, a lawyer speaking "black english" wouldn't be my first choice for legal representation, whether he's black or white. There's a certain code of conduct required in the courtroom and having someone with the vocabulary of 50 cent represent you would probably get your case dismissed.

I agree. When I'm at work and I hear anyone no matter what color speaking ethnic slang (ebonics, spanish, italian, redneck, whatever...) it makes me cringe. There is a time and place for everything and it's not the time or place for it.

[J.S.N.]

That's in no way predjudice. Being a good lawyer means being a master with words, a lawyer speaking "black english" wouldn't be my first choice for legal representation, whether he's black or white. There's a certain code of conduct required in the courtroom and having someone with the vocabulary of 50 cent represent you would probably get your case dismissed.

50 cent is a ridiculous example because the guy has only mumbled out like 4 words ever in public. what about a guy like the RZA who speaks in what i would consider one of the stereotypical black dialects yet says lots of intelligent things? he could certainly be a very good lawyer.

[scriptfactory]

50 cent is a ridiculous example because the guy has only mumbled out like 4 words ever in public. what about a guy like the RZA who speaks in what i would consider one of the stereotypical black dialects yet says lots of intelligent things? he could certainly be a very good lawyer.

I could actually see RZA being a lawyer! That's crazy!

[biglouie250]

50 cent is a ridiculous example because the guy has only mumbled out like 4 words ever in public. what about a guy like the RZA who speaks in what i would consider one of the stereotypical black dialects yet says lots of intelligent things? he could certainly be a very good lawyer.

RZA says a lot of philosophically intellegent things, not e=mc2 smart things!! That is a big difference. RZA makes you think the same way you and your buddies would think of interesting things when your high. you may think so rza would be a good judge, a jury of our peers wouldnt and neither would a 60 year old judge think so. "Judge lemme roll up and get a sidebar".....automatic contempt of court lol! he'd be in jail next to the guy he's defending lol!!!