Bo's Philosophy on Relationships

[Mizfit]

this is called a person who thinks logically.

a lot of the world lives in a cloud, and because they do, they have no idea they're in it in the first place. than you help them take their head out for a peak and they get scared and start cursing at you.

there a lot of illogical thinkers out there. (and acters)

Honestly, sometimes i wish i could get lost in illogicalness , like most people and i have for about 5 minutes a few times.. but i can't seem to stick with it(It seems alot easier)-
not having to deal with reality.

[biglouie250]

OMFG!!! Dude what are you?!?! A ****n gerbil?!?
This isnt something that is open to your opinion. Its a FACT documented EVERYWHERE by some of the smartest people alive.(im not even talking psychology, im talking biology) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop saying stupid things.. just go out now and read a book and put some duct tape over your mouth for the next 6 months.
your born knowing how to breath, shit, and eat. Even than, you shit in your own pants, and eat when your forced to.. so the only thing your really born knowing how to do right is breath.
So everyone understand, this gentlemen just told me when he was a baby he KNEW how to love people. AHAHAH!!.. little pimp junior they called you.
thats the same exact thing as saying your were born knowing how to hate
babies dont hate anyone, you learn it from people around you.
which is why when you get around 4,5,6 children from ANGRY families know how to HATE and children from HAPPY families know how to love. They both can do both, but all these dynamics are conditioned into them from the environment.
Think about this (because thinking seems to be something you havent learned how to do)
Your born alone on an island, with NOONE else on that island. Are you going to learn how to love a banana tree or pile of sand?? No, you may prefer certain foods over others, but this doesnt even scratch the surface of love.

I'll say this once, love is an intellectual and emotional dynamic, a baby does not possess a cerebral cortex even slightly developed enough to allow a dynamic like that to exist untill they get A LOT older.
Take a developmental biology course.
See, you may think im a stubborn dick but in all reality, i LEARNED from you how i should treat you because you taught me really quick how much thought you put into things.
And heres a nice exercise you can do besides curls. Go google in with quotes "born knowing how to love" and "not born knowing how to love" and youll notice not even ONE single person on the whole net has even made the comment you just made, and that in fact 99% of them agree with me.
Its ok though, some people are well read and educated, think before they speak and dont try convince other people the sky is yellow.






haha yeh me and 99% of the rest of the world. good try.

so you call and infant a pimp trying to illustrate your point? have fun with your pseudo science. its like listening to a religious nut. life is simple pal. you made a silly argument before about "ugh me want cookie" or something to that affect. well guess what LIFE IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!! You are just like the religious nuts who feel that humans are more important then any other creature on this planet. Your self importance is what makes you arrogant and why NO ONE here agrees with anything you say. You like others in your field along with religious nuts just cant accept the fact that humans arent special and that every creature on this planet suffers the same fate. The animal kingdom does a wonderful job weeding out the weak..you know how?? THEY DIE!!! But no, us self important humans need to help everyone, enter crackpots such as yourself trying to assign a blame for why someones life is a wreck. Some people are just **** ups and thats the way it is!! Dont give me a sob story about "my daddy didnt love me" or "i was beaten" because there is no correlation between the 2. If you are determined to succeed in life you will. No excuses for the weak minded.

as for your DUMB post on love: when my 2 yr old cousin gets mad at me for teasing her brother who is 3 but then proceeds to discipline him herself. that is love. she didnt learn that from anywhere. Or when i say hey jess, can nicky stay here tonight? Although they had been fighting all day she would grab him and say no. That is love. She didnt have to learn that. Read all the nonsense texts you want. there is a world out there to experience first hand and i dont need a nerd locked in room telling me you need to learn love.

[Deluge1]

This can be a very educational thread if you can look at it compltely open-minded. Although you may not agree with the way Bo communicates his beliefs I know for a fact he has done a significant amount of research on this topic and is educated. His advice is not worthless.

What Mizfit said pretty much hit the nail on the head. Some people can step away from their lives to look at things logically and others cannot. Bo is someone that can, and it is these people that come across as having a bit more of a bitter attitude. Maybe that's because they see things the way they really are - ****ed up.


As for Tren ; thats ****ing rough dude. The only advice I can give you is to learn to control your emotions, think positive and to not let negative influences into your life(like this bitch). I realize this is not easy but you need to make a concious effort, things will get better.

[Deluge1]

so you call and infant a pimp trying to illustrate your point? have fun with your pseudo science. its like listening to a religious nut. life is simple pal. you made a silly argument before about "ugh me want cookie" or something to that affect. well guess what LIFE IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!! You are just like the religious nuts who feel that humans are more important then any other creature on this planet. Your self importance is what makes you arrogant and why NO ONE here agrees with anything you say. You like others in your field along with religious nuts just cant accept the fact that humans arent special and that every creature on this planet suffers the same fate. The animal kingdom does a wonderful job weeding out the weak..you know how?? THEY DIE!!! But no, us self important humans need to help everyone, enter crackpots such as yourself trying to assign a blame for why someones life is a wreck. Some people are just **** ups and thats the way it is!! Dont give me a sob story about "my daddy didnt love me" or "i was beaten" because there is no correlation between the 2. If you are determined to succeed in life you will. No excuses for the weak minded.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I think the EXACT difference between animals and humans is considered to be the fact that humans possess emotions while animals do not. But other than that, yes humans have the same primal instincts that animals have. (I think Bo would agree with this, but I won't speak for him).

In regards to your comment on some people just being "****ups" I imagine you've never been close to anyone with any severe emotional problems. Are they the way they are because they're weak minded? Possibly, but probably not. People have to be taught how to deal with their emotions - some moreso than others. I would assume this usually happens throughout childhood and depends on the childs upbringin. Unfortunately not everyone has a stable set of parents.

But again, for all these "****ed up" people that can't control their emotions that you consider to be "weak-minded" does that make you weak-minded as well? Because judging by your last post you seem to have a bit of trouble controlling your anger...

I'll admit this thread is getting a little heated tho.

[BARLOW]

I think your all on PCT, ****in babies

Hey...I was born knowing how to ****... (i had to edit this: looked like i said how to **** animals lmfao)

animals r born knowing how to ****..........IMMA ANIMAL BABY......
no1 taught me love just ****in.......

[Deluge1]

Honestly, sometimes i wish i could get lost in illogicalness , like most people and i have for about 5 minutes a few times.. but i can't seem to stick with it(It seems alot easier)-
not having to deal with reality.

I love that you said this, because I feel the exact same way. I'm curious though, if you had the chance to have it the other way, would you take it?

Haha it's kind of like the whole matrix thing. Take the red pill and see the truth or take the blue pill and stay lost in the cloud.

[ascendant]

OMFG!!! Dude what are you?!?! A ****n gerbil?!?
This isnt something that is open to your opinion. Its a FACT documented EVERYWHERE by some of the smartest people alive.(im not even talking psychology, im talking biology) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop saying stupid things.. just go out now and read a book and put some duct tape over your mouth for the next 6 months.
your born knowing how to breath, shit, and eat. Even than, you shit in your own pants, and eat when your forced to.. so the only thing your really born knowing how to do right is breath.
So everyone understand, this gentlemen just told me when he was a baby he KNEW how to love people. AHAHAH!!.. little pimp junior they called you.
thats the same exact thing as saying your were born knowing how to hate
babies dont hate anyone, you learn it from people around you.
which is why when you get around 4,5,6 children from ANGRY families know how to HATE and children from HAPPY families know how to love. They both can do both, but all these dynamics are conditioned into them from the environment.
Think about this (because thinking seems to be something you havent learned how to do)
Your born alone on an island, with NOONE else on that island. Are you going to learn how to love a banana tree or pile of sand?? No, you may prefer certain foods over others, but this doesnt even scratch the surface of love.

I'll say this once, love is an intellectual and emotional dynamic, a baby does not possess a cerebral cortex even slightly developed enough to allow a dynamic like that to exist untill they get A LOT older.
Take a developmental biology course.
See, you may think im a stubborn dick but in all reality, i LEARNED from you how i should treat you because you taught me really quick how much thought you put into things.
And heres a nice exercise you can do besides curls. Go google in with quotes "born knowing how to love" and "not born knowing how to love" and youll notice not even ONE single person on the whole net has even made the comment you just made, and that in fact 99% of them agree with me.
Its ok though, some people are well read and educated, think before they speak and dont try convince other people the sky is yellow.

haha yeh me and 99% of the rest of the world. good try.

right, the rest of the world agrees with you that's why 99% of the people online here always end up disagreeing with you. hello, i'm earth, where are you? i certainly don't see you from here?

all i saw was blah blah blah in your paragraphs above. you provided no substantial evidence as your post was once again focused on demeaning someone you don't agree with. maybe you should psychoanalyze that psychological issue that you obviously carry around yourself.

i could care less how many psychologists say you're not born being able to love. they're wrong, end of story.

i was born in a pretty f*cked up family. pessimistic mother, abusive father, and absolutely nobody there for me. yet i had always been a compassionate ,caring, LOVING person as a child. now, who taught me that??? certainly not my parents, and in school i was picked on by other kids up until about 4th grade cause my clothes were all from yard sales and were quite sad until i got old enough to start doing my own shopping and when my parents actually started making better money. i had a very painful childhood, yet i remained who i chose to be through it. what happened around me did not determine who i'd become, i made that decision myself. it's a thing called free will, but i'm sure free will would be considered "the devil" in most psychologists eyes.

additionally, you take a child and do something that amuses them, they smile, they laugh, and you can tell by the expression on their face they're clearly feeling emotions. now, as a baby, they don't understand what emotions we're feeling simply by the expresssions on our face, yet they clearly express emotion when feeling certain ways. you may use the excuse that it's instinctually bred into us to have certain reactions that resemble feelings and later we choose to identify certain feelings with those actions due to environmental conditioning, but i've seen far too much to indicate otherwise to agree.

an even better example is the mentally handicapped. you can take the most mentally challenged person who has absolutely no mental ability to interact or even remotely understand society or any kind of social skills whatsoever. yet take away their favorite blanket or toy and watch them cry. that's not emotion??? i don't care what you say, that is a clear indication of feelings. call them whatever you want, but changing the name doesn't change what they truly are.

as far as your comments regarding an island, at that point we may not identify our feelings as "feelings" because we never heard of the word, but we would still have them. we would choose certain things we enjoy over other things, some substantially over others. though you seem to not think that's a feeling. you even said in your above post "you may prefer...". preference is a matter of emotion. it's how you feel towards certain things. take away the identification of emotion and the underlying feelings are still there. like, enjoying, and love are all just different levels of emotion. if there's nothing good enough on the island for us to truly "love" it, then we won't experience love. but does that mean we're not capable? certainly not.

you may find that very same person watching the sunrise/sunset on the ocean every day/night. they sit there in astonishment of the beauty because it makes them feel enjoyment, warmth, or some other positive FEELING. there is no reasoning behind why they'd like it so much, but there could still potentially be a strong desire to want to watch it and a feeling of loving the observation of it happening.

if a girl suddenly became stranded on the island with us, our instincts would most likely initially draw us to her sexually. however in time, we may very well grow an attachment to that person that would be strong enough to certainly consider love. it would not have to be dependent on the sex either, cause the actions and thoughts of another person around us is usually what causes us to feel certain ways towards them. it could just as soon happen with someone of the same sex that you're not physically attracted to.

seems as if psychologists would like to think they were "logical thinkers" ever since they were born. however, they're actually looking at things in the opposite direction they really are. in their learning, they CHOSE to disconnect themselves from emotion and use logic to justify their actions and behavior. it's quite sad when you take something you were born with, will die with, and is one of the things you'll be even carrying on with you into the afterlife, yet you deny it's very existence.

a very simply way to see that emotion has always been and will always be with us is to break down your social and environmental conditioning. though you may seem to think that's who you are, i can assure you otherwise. you begin to analyze yourself enough to recognize what's been "conditioned" and what is truly you with no reason or cause from external factors, you begin to realize your emotions are still there just as strong as ever. i've been breaking down my environmental conditioning for years upon years, and though you may think that's what makes someone who they are so in a sense i'm destroying who i am, i can assure you there is far more to who you truly are then just your external influences. who you truly are is what caused you to react to what you chose to in your external environment. as a child, i chose to be loving and caring as opposed to what my parents exposed me to. that was my choice and there is no justification otherwise as to why i would have done so. i was not exposed to those emotions as a child, yet i still had them.

i don't need any websites or anyone else telling me what i know to be truth. you have people in the fields of training, bodybuilding, physical therapy, etc, that give out incorrect information all the time. some of the incorrect information becomes so popular, the majority of the population even believes it. perfect example, look at how most the world perceives steroids . most of us on here know very well the true potential side-effects from them and most of us can almost if not completely avoid them quite easily. yet, you ask most people on the streets about steroids, and you'll find people thinking they can literally kill you, that they can give you "roid rage ", that they cause cancer, etc. just because the majority of the public believes something does not mean it's correct. you should know better than that.

i also see you completely disregarded my first post in here and are still focused on demeaning others in here. enjoy being banned in the near future cause when the mods that don't tolerate your kind of disregard for the sites "no flaming" rules see you posts, your ass is gone.

[Deluge1]

right, the rest of the world agrees with you that's why 99% of the people online here always end up disagreeing with you. hello, i'm earth, where are you? i certainly don't see you from here?

all i saw was blah blah blah in your paragraphs above. you provided no substantial evidence as your post was once again focused on demeaning someone you don't agree with. maybe you should psychoanalyze that psychological issue that you obviously carry around yourself.

i could care less how many psychologists say you're not born being able to love. they're wrong, end of story.

i was born in a pretty f*cked up family. pessimistic mother, abusive father, and absolutely nobody there for me. yet i had always been a compassionate ,caring, LOVING person as a child. now, who taught me that??? certainly not my parents, and in school i was picked on by other kids up until about 4th grade cause my clothes were all from yard sales and were quite sad until i got old enough to start doing my own shopping and when my parents actually started making better money. i had a very painful childhood, yet i remained who i chose to be through it. what happened around me did not determine who i'd become, i made that decision myself. it's a thing called free will, but i'm sure free will would be considered "the devil" in most psychologists eyes.

additionally, you take a child and do something that amuses them, they smile, they laugh, and you can tell by the expression on their face they're clearly feeling emotions. now, as a baby, they don't understand what emotions we're feeling simply by the expresssions on our face, yet they clearly express emotion when feeling certain ways. you may use the excuse that it's instinctually bred into us to have certain reactions that resemble feelings and later we choose to identify certain feelings with those actions due to environmental conditioning, but i've seen far too much to indicate otherwise to agree.

an even better example is the mentally handicapped. you can take the most mentally challenged person who has absolutely no mental ability to interact or even remotely understand society or any kind of social skills whatsoever. yet take away their favorite blanket or toy and watch them cry. that's not emotion??? i don't care what you say, that is a clear indication of feelings. call them whatever you want, but changing the name doesn't change what they truly are.

as far as your comments regarding an island, at that point we may not identify our feelings as "feelings" because we never heard of the word, but we would still have them. we would choose certain things we enjoy over other things, some substantially over others. though you seem to not think that's a feeling. you even said in your above post "you may prefer...". preference is a matter of emotion. it's how you feel towards certain things. take away the identification of emotion and the underlying feelings are still there. like, enjoying, and love are all just different levels of emotion. if there's nothing good enough on the island for us to truly "love" it, then we won't experience love. but does that mean we're not capable? certainly not.

you may find that very same person watching the sunrise/sunset on the ocean every day/night. they sit there in astonishment of the beauty because it makes them feel enjoyment, warmth, or some other positive FEELING. there is no reasoning behind why they'd like it so much, but there could still potentially be a strong desire to want to watch it and a feeling of loving the observation of it happening.

if a girl suddenly became stranded on the island with us, our instincts would most likely initially draw us to her sexually. however in time, we may very well grow an attachment to that person that would be strong enough to certainly consider love. it would not have to be dependent on the sex either, cause the actions and thoughts of another person around us is usually what causes us to feel certain ways towards them. it could just as soon happen with someone of the same sex that you're not physically attracted to.

seems as if psychologists would like to think they were "logical thinkers" ever since they were born. however, they're actually looking at things in the opposite direction they really are. in their learning, they CHOSE to disconnect themselves from emotion and use logic to justify their actions and behavior. it's quite sad when you take something you were born with, will die with, and is one of the things you'll be even carrying on with you into the afterlife, yet you deny it's very existence.

a very simply way to see that emotion has always been and will always be with us is to break down your social and environmental conditioning. though you may seem to think that's who you are, i can assure you otherwise. you begin to analyze yourself enough to recognize what's been "conditioned" and what is truly you with no reason or cause from external factors, you begin to realize your emotions are still there just as strong as ever. i've been breaking down my environmental conditioning for years upon years, and though you may think that's what makes someone who they are so in a sense i'm destroying who i am, i can assure you there is far more to who you truly are then just your external influences. who you truly are is what caused you to react to what you chose to in your external environment. as a child, i chose to be loving and caring as opposed to what my parents exposed me to. that was my choice and there is no justification otherwise as to why i would have done so. i was not exposed to those emotions as a child, yet i still had them.

i don't need any websites or anyone else telling me what i know to be truth. you have people in the fields of training, bodybuilding, physical therapy, etc, that give out incorrect information all the time. some of the incorrect information becomes so popular, the majority of the population even believes it. perfect example, look at how most the world perceives steroids . most of us on here know very well the true potential side-effects from them and most of us can almost if not completely avoid them quite easily. yet, you ask most people on the streets about steroids, and you'll find people thinking they can literally kill you, that they can give you "roid rage ", that they cause cancer, etc. just because the majority of the public believes something does not mean it's correct. you should know better than that.

i also see you completely disregarded my first post in here and are still focused on demeaning others in here. enjoy being banned in the near future cause when the mods that don't tolerate your kind of disregard for the sites "no flaming" rules see you posts, your ass is gone.

Good post, I respect your opinion. I'm honestly curious about something though:

You say you are a compassionate and caring person because you were born like that and your parents being the opposite had no effect on you whatsoever. You say that all people are born like this. But then how do you explain the people that are NOT compassionate and caring?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this...


Also, I find it odd that you say no one agrees with Bo. Bo's ideas are basically his outlook on women from his point of view, and although the majority of the posters in this thread do not agree with Bo the ONE female (mizfit) does. Do you not find that at least a little bit interesting?

[taiboxa]

i NINJA!

[Bojangles69]

so you call and infant a pimp trying to illustrate your point? have fun with your pseudo science. its like listening to a religious nut.

proper grammar please, psychology is not a religion.

life is simple pal. you made a silly argument before about "ugh me want cookie" or something to that affect. well guess what LIFE IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!

simple minded people life simple lives and run into COMPLICATED problems.

You are just like the religious nuts who feel
that humans are more important then any other creature on this planet.

psychology is not a religion.

Your self importance is what makes you arrogant and why NO ONE here agrees with anything you say. You like others in your field along with religious nuts just cant accept the fact that humans arent special and that every creature on this planet suffers the same fate

lets use death to define everything in this world as equal, real deep insight. i sir am not special.. you on the other hand are special in your own little way.

The animal kingdom does a wonderful job weeding out the weak..you know how?? THEY DIE!!!

according to your above comment about everyone suffering the same fate and being equal, everyone dies, even the STRONG. but now your differentiating weak and strong, yeh.. your a real simple person.

But no, us self important humans need to help everyone, enter crackpots such as yourself trying to assign a blame for why someones life is a wreck. Some people are just **** ups and thats the way it is!!

good to see someones accepted thier fate.

Dont give me a sob story about "my daddy didnt love me" or "i was beaten" because there is no correlation between the 2.

"blah blah.. blah blah blah", youd sound smarter if tried saying that instead

If you are determined to succeed in life you will. No excuses for the weak minded.

completely agree

as for your DUMB post on love: when my 2 yr old cousin gets mad at me for teasing her brother who is 3 but then proceeds to discipline him herself. that is love. she didnt learn that from anywhere.

oh no?? really.. doest she have parents? any guardians whos she seen discipline someone? YES!! Ding ding ding.

Or when i say hey jess, can nicky stay here tonight? Although they had been fighting all day she would grab him and say no. That is love. She didnt have to learn that. Read all the nonsense texts you want. there is a world out there to experience first hand and i dont need a nerd locked in room telling me you need to learn love.

locked in a room?? nerd? maybe i am a nerd.. we usually call people nerds as a way of saying your smarter than me and i hate you for it.
so do yourself a favor and do something more useful with your fingers, like put one in your butt.

[Bojangles69]

right, the rest of the world agrees with you that's why 99% of the people online here always end up disagreeing with you.

your not 99% genious, your math needs some brushing up to.

hello, i'm earth, where are you? i certainly don't see you from here?

thats because im on my computer.

all i saw was blah blah blah in your paragraphs above.

yes dyslexics have this problem

you provided no substantial evidence as your post was once again focused on demeaning someone you don't agree with. maybe you should psychoanalyze that psychological issue that you obviously carry around yourself.

demeaning.. you want a tissue? you obviously didnt google "born knowing how to love" and read like i recommended.

i could care less how many psychologists say you're not born being able to love. they're wrong, end of story.

they're all smarter than you, more educated, and prob get paid more than you. so who is right?? your pet goldfish??

i was born in a pretty f*cked up family. pessimistic mother, abusive father, and absolutely nobody there for me. yet i had always been a compassionate ,caring, LOVING person as a child. now, who taught me that???

your parents taught you to not hate, just like my parents are fat and taught me to not be out of shape.. regardless of what they "taught" you its what you "learned".

certainly not my parents, and in school i was picked on by other kids up until about 4th grade cause my clothes were all from yard sales and were quite sad until i got old enough to start doing my own shopping and when my parents actually started making better money. i had a very painful childhood, yet i remained who i chose to be through it. what happened around me did not determine who i'd become, i made that decision myself. it's a thing called free will, but i'm sure free will would be considered "the devil" in most psychologists eyes.

hey thats completely respectable, im truely happy for you.. and psychologists support having a free will. go speak with one, he'll help you sort out all the above /\ /\

additionally, you take a child and do something that amuses them, they smile, they laugh, and you can tell by the expression on their face they're clearly feeling emotions. now, as a baby, they don't understand what emotions we're feeling simply by the expresssions on our face, yet they clearly express emotion when feeling certain ways. you may use the excuse that it's instinctually bred into us to have certain reactions that resemble feelings and later we choose to identify certain feelings with those actions due to environmental conditioning, but i've seen far too much to indicate otherwise to agree.

see now your being more intellectual, thats what this is about, not arguing and saying your wrong or im wrong but your using real world examples to support your point and thats cool.
babies can feel happy or sad, and they can feel "connected" and they may prefer certain people. but we're debating whether or not babies are born knowing how to love. do you have any teenage sons or daughters who thought they loved someone only to find out they were wrong? all im saying is love may not be the most complex thing in the world, and as simple as it may seem or be. babies, in the context of romantic love, what my whole thread was about, are never born with the ability.

an even better example is the mentally handicapped. you can take the most mentally challenged person who has absolutely no mental ability to interact or even remotely understand society or any kind of social skills whatsoever. yet take away their favorite blanket or toy and watch them cry. that's not emotion??? i don't care what you say, that is a clear indication of feelings. call them whatever you want, but changing the name doesn't change what they truly are.

no no no, i agree, you've misunderstood what i said i believe and dont. (or maybe i miscommunicated) these are all basic emotions we have for survival.

as far as your comments regarding an island, at that point we may not identify our feelings as "feelings" because we never heard of the word, but we would still have them. we would choose certain things we enjoy over other things, some substantially over others. though you seem to not think that's a feeling. you even said in your above post "you may prefer...". preference is a matter of emotion. it's how you feel towards certain things. take away the identification of emotion and the underlying feelings are still there. like, enjoying, and love are all just different levels of emotion. if there's nothing good enough on the island for us to truly "love" it, then we won't experience love. but does that mean we're not capable? certainly not.

ok theres a MAJOR difference between loving a tree and loving a person. 2 completely different types of love, love is a combination of emotions, the way you love a woman is much more complicated than the way a tree offers you shelter and comfort, im sorry but if "i" went to a deserted island and saw a guy having sex with a tree i couldnt help but thinking "its not real love" if you want to keep things simple. is he capable? sure.. but only when he learns it from someone else.

you may find that very same person watching the sunrise/sunset on the ocean every day/night. they sit there in astonishment of the beauty because it makes them feel enjoyment
, warmth, or some other positive FEELING. there is no reasoning behind why they'd like it so much, but there could still potentially be a strong desire to want to watch it and a feeling of loving the observation of it happening.

if a girl suddenly became stranded on the island with us, our instincts would most likely initially draw us to her sexually. however in time, we may very well grow an attachment to that person that would be strong enough to certainly consider love.

considered love by an ape yes, a human NO

it would not have to be dependent on the sex either, cause the actions and thoughts of another person around us is usually what causes us to feel certain ways towards them. it could just as soon happen with someone of the same sex that you're not physically attracted to.

still.. for an ape.

seems as if psychologists would like to think they were "logical thinkers" ever since they were born. however, they're actually looking at things in the opposite direction they really are. in their learning, they CHOSE to disconnect themselves from emotion and use logic to justify their actions and behavior. it's quite sad when you take something you were born with, will die with, and is one of the things you'll be even carrying on with you into the afterlife, yet you deny it's very existence.

no they dont "deny" it, they "name" it is all, record patterns in behavoir and form perfectly logical theories. ie: man gets smacked, man gets angry. however on a much more complicated level.

a very simply way to see that emotion has always been and will always be with us is to break down your social and environmental conditioning. though you may seem to think that's who you are, i can assure you otherwise. you begin to analyze yourself enough to recognize what's been "conditioned" and what is truly you with no reason or cause from external factors, you begin to realize your emotions are still there just as strong as ever. i've been breaking down my environmental conditioning for years upon years, and though you may think that's what makes someone who they are so in a sense i'm destroying who i am, i can assure you there is far more to who you truly are then just your external influences. who you truly are is what caused you to react to what you chose to in your external environment. as a child, i chose to be loving and caring as opposed to what my parents exposed me to. that was my choice and there is no justification otherwise as to why i would have done so. i was not exposed to those emotions as a child, yet i still had them.

again i didnt say your born without basic emotions. love is not basic however. fear YES, love NO.

i don't need any websites or anyone else telling me what i know to be truth.

wow so you were born knowing the truth about everything? kinda like confuscus, but even he was humble enough to admit he had teachers above him.

you have people in the fields of training, bodybuilding, physical therapy, etc, that give out incorrect information all the time. some of the incorrect information becomes so popular, the majority of the population even believes it. perfect example, look at how most the world perceives steroids. most of us on here know very well the true potential side-effects from them and most of us can almost if not completely avoid them quite easily. yet, you ask most people on the streets about steroids, and you'll find people thinking they can literally kill you, that they can give you "roid rage", that they cause cancer, etc. just because the majority of the public believes something does not mean it's correct. you should know better than that.

your conditioned to believe that so you can continue w/e behavoir it is your into. steroids increase the chance for anxiety, depression, etc. id say it depends on the person using them, but "roid rage " is just a label for a documented likelyhood (spelln) in a given situation. you may not have them, but other people have, and all it takes is one person to create a label.

i also see you completely disregarded my first post in here and are still focused on demeaning others in here. enjoy being banned in the near future cause when the mods that don't tolerate your kind of disregard for the sites "no flaming" rules see you posts, your ass is gone.

whether or not the flaming is subtle, overt, said directly, or implied.. you did it to my friend.

[ascendant]

Good post, I respect your opinion. I'm honestly curious about something though:

You say you are a compassionate and caring person because you were born like that and your parents being the opposite had no effect on you whatsoever. You say that all people are born like this. But then how do you explain the people that are NOT compassionate and caring?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this...


Also, I find it odd that you say no one agrees with Bo. Bo's ideas are basically his outlook on women from his point of view, and although the majority of the posters in this thread do not agree with Bo the ONE female (mizfit) does. Do you not find that at least a little bit interesting?

seems you may have misunderstood that explanation regarding the emotions. i did not mean it as all people are born compassionate and caring. i meant it to merely indicate that we have emotions well before we are "conditioned" to have them as bo is trying to say is how it works. i merely used my particular emotions as an example of ones i began experiencing well before exposure to them by others.

i also never said that my parents didn't have any effect on me. i was merely trying to show that we choose what external conditioning to respond to and what we choose not to and trying to show examples of how i had no external stimulus to show me the emotions that i chose to feel that personify who i am.

if you read through bo's post and then read through mine it makes much more sense as to the points i'm making in mine. my primary focus is to show we are born being able to feel emotions, including but of course not limited to love. the feelings and choices of what we decide to feel is all up to the individual and will not of course be the same as what mine were. i never said they were. just giving my personal experience as an example that was contradictory to bo's statements.

additionally, i don't recall ever saying nobody agrees with bo. however, you're pointing out one woman that has agreed with him. meanwhile, there's been 3 people total so far in here who he's argued with. i've never seen someone get into so many arguments as bo does, and certainly not using the degrading remarks he does either. he has a serious superiority complex he needs to get over.

as far as it being a woman that's agreeing with him, that has no relevance whatsoever. if you look in other posts, you'll find these two frequently seeing eye to eye. they simply have similar mindsets. just because she happens to be a woman means nothing. if bo could relate so well to women he certainly wouldn't have the perspective on them that he does. i would be surprised if he's had a relationship that's lasted for more than a few months with his attitude.

i don't think everything he says is wrong, and certainly some of his information is useful. however, he always sees his information as absolute, which is his inherent flaw. he also does point out very inaccurate information at times but will fight to the bloody death to defend it, no matter how many people point out legitimate arguments disputing his claims. i've seen it time and time again in numerous posts of his.

please don't take this offensively, but many of your questions seem to be based on a failure to correlate information with it's relevance to the matters at hand. dig a little deeper and you'll find the answers without even having to ask me. if you truly feel that after reading all available information that there are still questions unanswered, feel free to ask.

[Bojangles69]

seems you may have misunderstood that explanation regarding the emotions. i did not mean it as all people are born compassionate and caring. i meant it to merely indicate that we have emotions well before we are "conditioned" to have them as bo is trying to say is how it works. i merely used my particular emotions as an example of ones i began experiencing well before exposure to them by others.

i also never said that my parents didn't have any effect on me. i was merely trying to show that we choose what external conditioning to respond to and what we choose not to and trying to show examples of how i had no external stimulus to show me the emotions that i chose to feel that personify who i am.

yes you did have an external stimulus, thats what emotions are, they are a reaction to some sort of outside stimuli, if the stimuli didnt exist your emotions would exist on a flat plane of nothingness, they woudlnt even exist. your are living in a cloud if you think otherwise. how in the hell can you say or even think you went through life not being effected by your environment? you basically just said you have picked every single emotion you've had yourself since you were born. so you must be the happiest person in the whole world and never have a bad day.. gedafuk outta here.

if you read through bo's post and then read through mine it makes much more sense as to the points i'm making in mine. my primary focus is to show we are born being able to feel emotions, including but of course not limited to love. the feelings and choices of what we decide to feel is all up to the individual and will not of course be the same as what mine were. i never said they were. just giving my personal experience as an example that was contradictory to bo's statements.

again.. choices ARE up to individuals, but you can not pick and choose every single emotion you feel.

additionally, i don't recall ever saying nobody agrees with bo. however, you're pointing out one woman that has agreed with him. meanwhile, there's been 3 people total so far in here who he's argued with. i've never seen someone get into so many arguments as bo does, and certainly not using the degrading remarks he does either. he has a serious superiority complex he needs to get over.

degrading remarks?? grow a dick.
this man right here ASCENDANT disaggrees with EVERYONE. Read his posts, for every 100 posts he has at least 80 that are just to disagree with people. How in the hell can you say i have a superiority complex? You dont know a f-cking thing about me!! Because i stick up for myself and stand for what i believe in? That gives me a superiorty complex?? Because im younger than you and possess an outlook on life thats more accurate and useful? I would die to meet you in real life, you can take your time twisting around shit that i say but in real life id expose the shit out of you as i do everyday with people like you who speak thier whole life from opinions they have and not ONE f-cking fact.

as far as it being a woman that's agreeing with him, that has no relevance whatsoever. if you look in other posts, you'll find these two frequently seeing eye to eye. they simply have similar mindsets. just because she happens to be a woman means nothing. if bo could relate so well to women he certainly wouldn't have the perspective on them that he does. i would be surprised if he's had a relationship that's lasted for more than a few months with his attitude.

i have had MULTIPLE LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS!!
i know more about woman because im with more woman, i speak to more woman, i have more woman friends, and i put myself in situations that most men dont have the balls to. Id like to take your ass out one night and see you get blown out by every girl you mutter "hi" to. Now hes gonna drop the "i dont go looking for girls line" or "i just be myself" line.

i don't think everything he says is wrong, and certainly some of his information is useful. however, he always sees his information as absolute, which is his inherent flaw. he also does point out very inaccurate information at times but will fight to the bloody death to defend it, no matter how many people point out legitimate arguments disputing his claims. i've seen it time and time again in numerous posts of his.

legimate dispute blah blah blah, you sound like a broken record. YOU are the one who says he picks and chooses ALL his emotions, YOUR the one who admitted to having absolutely NO boundares with woman, you sirr are the clown. You are a snakey little shady ass clown who hasnt tooken a second out of your life to seriously contemplate anything i speak of, i would expect to hear the same exact lines from you that i hear from my 8 year old nephew. That is not "making fun of you" that is the simple truth.

please don't take this offensively, but many of your questions seem to be based on a failure to correlate information with it's relevance to the matters at hand. dig a little deeper and you'll find the answers without even having to ask me. if you truly feel that after reading all available information that there are still questions unanswered, feel free to ask.

your name should be descendant. cause thats exactly what you've done since your first post.

[Tren Bull]

Well - in the end the real you is going to come out. so not sure why you would pretend to be something your not- shower a chick with empty compliments that you don't mean and eventually will stop saying..

The world is so full of smoke and mirrors.. its a wonder why we are where we are today...

exactly. you cant hide your true personality if you spend time with someone. it eventually comes out.

but when i compliment my woman, its not empty, or something that i dont mean.

its like this, i got so much love for females... i cant even begin to explain it to you. when i look at my woman, il simply open my mouth and my heart to her.

[Tren Bull]

YOOO!!!! thats ****ed up shit, i admit. So you have been through worse things with woman and ive been through some real ****ed up shit in general. (with a best friend, had nothing to do with woman but a million times worse than anything a bitch can do to you, and im not talkn about the story im about to tell) and i guarantee your a lot smarter now than in the past, learning can usually be painful, but if your still mad your still learning.

my friends girl told him recently she cheated on him with 2 guys, and hes never gonna amount to anything because - "hes in a band"? (and going to college) after telling him everyday i love you baby, i wanna marry you, she literally did a 180 on his ass for no reason.
not only that but she feels its neccassary to still call him afterwards just to not act like a bitch (so he would stay on the phone) have general dry conversation than randlomly throw in an insult. She was your classic nutjob.
So all ill say (the specifics arent important, cause than people start saying dude thats ****ed up) but i wrote her a 2 paragraph letter on myspace. messaged a few of her friends, a few of his friends. copied thier AIM conversation and posted it as a blog on myspace and basically exploited the shit out of her for the world to see. it lasted a week, he was getting comments from people he didnt even know about what a whore she is, and get this.. her mom called him and told him to delete it and i made him keep that shit up for another 2 days untill she actually called him crying and thats what i call real closure. you never **** one of my buddies over.. ever.

haha, thats great bro. sounds like that bitch got exactly what she deserved. its too bad your boy didn't keep it up forever though...

hell, id do that. i get very resentful when woman hurt me

[ascendant]

well for starters bo, here's one thing you have to take into account with the differences between your and my arguments. your basis is primarily psyhcological. my basis is primarily scientific and spiritual. my studies have never wandered very close to much psychology as i simply never had much interest in it. most of my psychological studies have come from the observance of myself and others around me.

my studies have included einstein, hawkings, michio kaku, and innumerable spiritual and metaphysics studies. i can assure you i am well educated, just in completely different fields than you. however, the foundations for my research are as i've said before just as credible if not moreso than yours. i focus on two different fields of which many would say are opposing views (science and spiritual). your basis is on one alone.

at one point, physics seemed to have all the answers. later, quantum physics came along and literally tore physics apart, proving many once strongly held beliefs about the universe based on physics to be completely innacurate. point being is that just because something seems to make sense does not mean that it's truth.

do you have any teenage sons or daughters who thought they loved someone only to find out they were wrong? all im saying is love may not be the most complex thing in the world, and as simple as it may seem or be. babies, in the context of romantic love, what my whole thread was about, are never born with the ability...no no no, i agree, you've misunderstood what i said i believe and dont. (or maybe i miscommunicated) these are all basic emotions we have for survival.

now you change it to "romantic love", yet your exact quote:

Where did you learn to love? You weren’t born knowing how to love.

as far as someone deciding something wasn't love, that is not something that is conditioned. we are conditioned into specific definitions for specific forms of love (puppy love, in love, etc), and sometimes people decide in hindsight that what they once thought was one form of love turned out to be another. this has nothing to do with conditioning, it is merely defining. as we grow and learn, our definitions change as well as we choose what to define as what kind of emotions. however, changing definitions of our specific emotions does not mean we're creating new ones. they were always there, we are just coming to a greater understanding of the specifics of each one.

whether or not the flaming is subtle, overt, said directly, or implied.. you did it to my friend.

there is a world of difference between me suggesting someone do more research, saying they're incorrect, or simply disagreeing with them and you calling them an idiot. i have never straight out degraded someone. i can be harsh and straightforward, but not degrading. maybe you could ask a mod about that guy, cause i've not once been suspended or had any other issues here at this site. i already know you can't say the same cause you thought it would be a good idea to make your wise-ass remarks to a mod, and they didn't hesitate to put you in your place.

[ascendant]

yes you did have an external stimulus, thats what emotions are, they are a reaction to some sort of outside stimuli, if the stimuli didnt exist your emotions would exist on a flat plane of nothingness, they woudlnt even exist.

i never at any point said i had no external stimulus to trigger my emotions. your entire post revolved around love being conditioned and my explanation merely provided proof that even in lack of witnessing an external source of love, i still was capable of feeling it. keep it on track there cause you're trying to wander off course now to "stimuli" rather than the subject matter which comes down to the question of whether or not we're born capable of loving.

as far as needing outside stimuli to feel emotion, that is nonsense. you're going to tell me you can't feel certain things about your own thoughs independent of external stimuli? you left that very generalized, but your explanation is innevitably flawed.

if no outside stimuli existed as in your explanation above, you can still feel because of imagination and creativity. i'm not even going to get into all the justification of imagination being able to create emotion without any external stimuli, as i would hope that you should be able to clearly see it is more than able to do so.

again.. choices ARE up to individuals, but you can not pick and choose every single emotion you feel.

i completely disagree. at one point i would feel a certain way towards a certain situation. after further self-analysis, i would choose to feel differently about specific situations.

if you are paying conscious attention to all your actions at any given moment, you are 100% capable of directly controlling how you feel about any given situation. anyone saying otherwise is just trying to play "victim" to themselves and their emotions. that is when your emotions become conditioned, when you feel that under certain circumstances you can't help but feel certain ways.

degrading remarks?? grow a dick.
this man right here ASCENDANT disaggrees with EVERYONE. Read his posts, for every 100 posts he has at least 80 that are just to disagree with people.

i do not disagree with many people at all. if anything, i give people other things to consider. though i may understand their perspective, i try to keep an open mind in situations, and if someone seems very situated on one side of things, i simply give them other things to consider. however, i do it in a very polite manner and don't tell people they're wrong, unless of course it's something to do with supplements, training, etc., that i do know without question is incorrect. notice that in what you consider my disagreements with others, the majority of the time i add in at some point IMO. i have yet to ever see you use that cause to you, you're not stating opinion, you're stating fact.

my posts are with the intention of opening peoples minds to other concepts. your posts are merely to try to prove yourself right in your own little "pissing contests". it's not about keeping an open mind and learning with you. it's about being right. that's why i'm productive and you're counterproductive, at least for the most part.

How in the hell can you say i have a superiority complex? You dont know a f-cking thing about me!! Because i stick up for myself and stand for what i believe in? That gives me a superiorty complex?? Because im younger than you and possess an outlook on life thats more accurate and useful? I would die to meet you in real life, you can take your time twisting around shit that i say but in real life id expose the shit out of you as i do everyday with people like you who speak thier whole life from opinions they have and not ONE f-cking fact.

you have a superiority complex not because you stand up for what you believe in, but you refuse to accept any facts other than what fits into your belief system. no matter how valid of an argument someone puts up, unless you feel like "believing" it, it's wrong. your issue is not "sticking up", it's stubborness to let go and consider that you may not be right and that someone else may be. at minimum, at least keeping an open mind to them and considering that either one could be "truth" would be a start in what i'd consider to be the right direction for a more constructive mindset. your issue is that no matter how much contradictory information there is to things you believe, you will never let any of your beliefs go that you've decided to accept as truth.

why do you feel such a need to "stick up" for your beliefs? if you were so certain they were right, you shouldn't feel such a need to defend them and get so defensive about them. this really makes me question how truly confident you are in them or worse, how truly stubborn you are?

your comment above "because i'm younger than you and possess an outlook on life that's more accurate and useful". that right there is a superiority complex son. that is your opinion, yet once again, you state it as fact. to be that stubborn causes ignorance, and your ignorance is what causes your frustration with others, though you project a false image of the ignorance being on their end of the deal in order to fulfill your self-aggrandizement.

as far as me not having facts, try spending less time in the lounge and more time in the actually usefull sections of this board and you'll find much of my information to not only be fact, but quite useful not only in my own opinion, but in many others as well. i have received numerous pm's from people thanking me for the helpful suggestions, advice, information, FACTS, etc.

there was even a post at one point which i regretfully can't find now, but it had a list of "helpful members of this site". a guy made a list of about 12 people and guess who was one of them? go ahead, guess? that also wasn't just from one member, cause i know at least 3 other people quoted the list and agreed. i'll have to look more for the thread it's in some other time cause i don't feel like spending all night looking for it just to prove myself to you.

i know more about woman because im with more woman, i speak to more woman, i have more woman friends, and i put myself in situations that most men dont have the balls to. Id like to take your ass out one night and see you get blown out by every girl you mutter "hi" to. Now hes gonna drop the "i dont go looking for girls line" or "i just be myself" line.

you said "more" about 12 times in that above quote, yet more than who? me? how do you know that? again, you're assuming and considering it to be fact. as far as you talking all your sh*t here, i find those that tend to talk the most sh*t usually have the least to talk about. might find that in one of your psyche books as well there guy.

legimate dispute blah blah blah, you sound like a broken record. YOU are the one who says he picks and chooses ALL his emotions, YOUR the one who admitted to having absolutely NO boundares with woman, you sirr are the clown. You are a snakey little shady ass clown who hasnt tooken a second out of your life to seriously contemplate anything i speak of, i would expect to hear the same exact lines from you that i hear from my 8 year old nephew. That is not "making fun of you" that is the simple truth.

there is so much misconstrued information here i don't know where to begin. again, the picking and choosing emotions was not the subject matter, it was the matter you initiated on us not being able to love. as far as choosing my emotions, yes, i do have control over my emotions. i'm sorry you don't as is clearly indicated with your loss of temper so often with members on this board.

as far as having no boundaries with women, again, misconstrued. you misinterpreted the fact that i simply don't give a woman boundaries that they must abide by to be with me. i simply accept them for who they are or i don't. my point of that entire discussion with you was to show you i don't "train" people by trying to show them how they can and can't act towards me. if someone doesn't act the way i'd like in a relationship, they're gone. simple as that.

you also seemed to misinterpret that as me letting people walk all over me. i am a very compassionate person and am not one to start a fight. if i have issues with someone, i usually just let it go. if they pursue and initiate a problem, then i will teach them why they shouldn't do so. i have studied several forms of martial arts and can assure you i'm not some pushover as you may have misinterpreted. i'm also not one to back down either. i just don't like conflict and avoid it when possible. as far as the possibility of you considering our conversation conflict, i don't personally see it that way on my side, as i have no ill-feelings towards you whatsoever. i actually find our discussions quite amusing despite their appearance.

as far as contemplating what you say, despite what you think, i have done so more than you could imagine. i know you live in a restricted form of beliefs to fullfil your personal ideals of a reality in which you choose to live in. your resistance to accept other concepts from others around you clearly indicates that, and you choosing to state your opinions as facts further emphasizes that. again, my statements for others is to help inform or to expand their awareness of situations or concepts. yours always seem to simply be to make yourself right and prove your point. i live in an expansive world, you live in a concrete one. i continually search for greater truths and greater understanding through open-mindedness, you cling on to your foundation of truths that hold your cement together.

in regards to the "nephew" comment, you know as well as i that it's a complete and utter lie, yet again you state it as truth. i would love to see an 8 year old with the vocabulary i have, the communicative skills, the understanding and basis of knowledge, etc. again, you're assuming that since i don't follow the same beliefs as you that i'm uneducated. on that note, go ahead and read some hawkings or even better, michio kaku, and lets see if you can keep up with me. oh wait, even better, try "the keys of enoch". i'm not bragging here, merely showing my foundation of knowledge is far more vast than what your accusation lamely tries to downplay it to be.

your name should be descendant. cause thats exactly what you've done since your first post.

again, others in these forums would think quite differently. of all my posts, i've gotten in disputes with maybe 3 people, you, pinnacle (when i first joined and still to this day not quite sure why that started and he never answered my pm's as to why it did either), and some other guy in another thread in the lounge. other than that, i get along with everyone in here great. you however seem to cause conflict wherever you go, which seems to be limited mostly if not entirely to the lounge. again, what useful contributions have you made to this site as far as training, diet, nutrition, supplements, gear, or any other productive information regarding anything to do with training?

[Bojangles69]

i never at any point said i had no external stimulus to trigger my emotions. your entire post revolved around love being conditioned and my explanation merely provided proof that even in lack of witnessing an external source of love, i still was capable of feeling it. keep it on track there cause you're trying to wander off course now to "stimuli" rather than the subject matter which comes down to the question of whether or not we're born capable of loving.

as far as needing outside stimuli to feel emotion, that is nonsense. you're going to tell me you can't feel certain things about your own thoughs independent of external stimuli? you left that very generalized, but your explanation is innevitably flawed.

if no outside stimuli existed as in your explanation above, you can still feel because of imagination and creativity. i'm not even going to get into all the justification of imagination being able to create emotion without any external stimuli, as i would hope that you should be able to clearly see it is more than able to do so.




i completely disagree. at one point i would feel a certain way towards a certain situation. after further self-analysis, i would choose to feel differently about specific situations.

if you are paying conscious attention to all your actions at any given moment, you are 100% capable of directly controlling how you feel about any given situation. anyone saying otherwise is just trying to play "victim" to themselves and their emotions. that is when your emotions become conditioned, when you feel that under certain circumstances you can't help but feel certain ways.



i do not disagree with many people at all. if anything, i give people other things to consider. though i may understand their perspective, i try to keep an open mind in situations, and if someone seems very situated on one side of things, i simply give them other things to consider. however, i do it in a very polite manner and don't tell people they're wrong, unless of course it's something to do with supplements, training, etc., that i do know without question is incorrect. notice that in what you consider my disagreements with others, the majority of the time i add in at some point IMO. i have yet to ever see you use that cause to you, you're not stating opinion, you're stating fact.

my posts are with the intention of opening peoples minds to other concepts. your posts are merely to try to prove yourself right in your own little "pissing contests". it's not about keeping an open mind and learning with you. it's about being right. that's why i'm productive and you're counterproductive, at least for the most part.



you have a superiority complex not because you stand up for what you believe in, but you refuse to accept any facts other than what fits into your belief system. no matter how valid of an argument someone puts up, unless you feel like "believing" it, it's wrong. your issue is not "sticking up", it's stubborness to let go and consider that you may not be right and that someone else may be. at minimum, at least keeping an open mind to them and considering that either one could be "truth" would be a start in what i'd consider to be the right direction for a more constructive mindset. your issue is that no matter how much contradictory information there is to things you believe, you will never let any of your beliefs go that you've decided to accept as truth.

why do you feel such a need to "stick up" for your beliefs? if you were so certain they were right, you shouldn't feel such a need to defend them and get so defensive about them. this really makes me question how truly confident you are in them or worse, how truly stubborn you are?

your comment above "because i'm younger than you and possess an outlook on life that's more accurate and useful". that right there is a superiority complex son. that is your opinion, yet once again, you state it as fact. to be that stubborn causes ignorance, and your ignorance is what causes your frustration with others, though you project a false image of the ignorance being on their end of the deal in order to fulfill your self-aggrandizement.

as far as me not having facts, try spending less time in the lounge and more time in the actually usefull sections of this board and you'll find much of my information to not only be fact, but quite useful not only in my own opinion, but in many others as well. i have received numerous pm's from people thanking me for the helpful suggestions, advice, information, FACTS, etc.

there was even a post at one point which i regretfully can't find now, but it had a list of "helpful members of this site". a guy made a list of about 12 people and guess who was one of them? go ahead, guess? that also wasn't just from one member, cause i know at least 3 other people quoted the list and agreed. i'll have to look more for the thread it's in some other time cause i don't feel like spending all night looking for it just to prove myself to you.




you said "more" about 12 times in that above quote, yet more than who? me? how do you know that? again, you're assuming and considering it to be fact. as far as you talking all your sh*t here, i find those that tend to talk the most sh*t usually have the least to talk about. might find that in one of your psyche books as well there guy.



there is so much misconstrued information here i don't know where to begin. again, the picking and choosing emotions was not the subject matter, it was the matter you initiated on us not being able to love. as far as choosing my emotions, yes, i do have control over my emotions. i'm sorry you don't as is clearly indicated with your loss of temper so often with members on this board.

as far as having no boundaries with women, again, misconstrued. you misinterpreted the fact that i simply don't give a woman boundaries that they must abide by to be with me. i simply accept them for who they are or i don't. my point of that entire discussion with you was to show you i don't "train" people by trying to show them how they can and can't act towards me. if someone doesn't act the way i'd like in a relationship, they're gone. simple as that.

you also seemed to misinterpret that as me letting people walk all over me. i am a very compassionate person and am not one to start a fight. if i have issues with someone, i usually just let it go. if they pursue and initiate a problem, then i will teach them why they shouldn't do so. i have studied several forms of martial arts and can assure you i'm not some pushover as you may have misinterpreted. i'm also not one to back down either. i just don't like conflict and avoid it when possible. as far as the possibility of you considering our conversation conflict, i don't personally see it that way on my side, as i have no ill-feelings towards you whatsoever. i actually find our discussions quite amusing despite their appearance.

as far as contemplating what you say, despite what you think, i have done so more than you could imagine. i know you live in a restricted form of beliefs to fullfil your personal ideals of a reality in which you choose to live in. your resistance to accept other concepts from others around you clearly indicates that, and you choosing to state your opinions as facts further emphasizes that. again, my statements for others is to help inform or to expand their awareness of situations or concepts. yours always seem to simply be to make yourself right and prove your point. i live in an expansive world, you live in a concrete one. i continually search for greater truths and greater understanding through open-mindedness, you cling on to your foundation of truths that hold your cement together.

in regards to the "nephew" comment, you know as well as i that it's a complete and utter lie, yet again you state it as truth. i would love to see an 8 year old with the vocabulary i have, the communicative skills, the understanding and basis of knowledge, etc. again, you're assuming that since i don't follow the same beliefs as you that i'm uneducated. on that note, go ahead and read some hawkings or even better, michio kaku, and lets see if you can keep up with me. oh wait, even better, try "the keys of enoch". i'm not bragging here, merely showing my foundation of knowledge is far more vast than what your accusation lamely tries to downplay it to be.



again, others in these forums would think quite differently. of all my posts, i've gotten in disputes with maybe 3 people, you, pinnacle (when i first joined and still to this day not quite sure why that started and he never answered my pm's as to why it did either), and some other guy in another thread in the lounge. other than that, i get along with everyone in here great. you however seem to cause conflict wherever you go, which seems to be limited mostly if not entirely to the lounge. again, what useful contributions have you made to this site as far as training, diet, nutrition, supplements, gear, or any other productive information regarding anything to do with training?

Sorry, i read the first sentence and realized id get further talking to a brick wall. We obviously share different beliefs and are set in our own ways so nothing more needs to be said imo. If i "offended" you those werent my intentions, but people get into war over opposing beliefs and it would be logical at this point to step outside this debate, realize absolutley nothing has been accomplished, and just drop it imo.
If your views keep you happy in life thats all that matters, as my views have helped me avoid much conflict while reaping the most benefit in life. But this has long ago surpassed the brink of annoying, and has manifested into a pseudo-intellectual deluded misinterpretation of everything this forum was intended to do. They say the first 2 steps in accepting any new belief in life are frustration and defiance, 2 things you more than well demonstrated in this thread. And 2 things you can throw back at me, w/e the case, its all monkey talk.

[Tren Bull]

oh man, so much writing. its makin my head hurt

[Flagg]

Wow, interesting stuff. I love debates. Man I gotta get to work in a bit, gonna hafta post a few pearls on alla this when I get back.

I will say one thing though about TrenBull, often he seems pretty full on and intense but he wears his heart on his sleeve and I respect that.

Bo, you seem a pretty smart guy but you can't keep calling people stupid cause they don't agree with your opinion. Anyways, work.

[Tren Bull]

Wow, interesting stuff. I love debates. Man I gotta get to work in a bit, gonna hafta post a few pearls on alla this when I get back.

I will say one thing though about TrenBull, often he seems pretty full on and intense but he wears his heart on his sleeve and I respect that.

Bo, you seem a pretty smart guy but you can't keep calling people stupid cause they don't agree with your opinion. Anyways, work.

you mean i leave myself vulnerable? or im very open with what im thinking?

[Flagg]

I think most people on this thread are very open and forthrite(sp?) with their feelings and opinions but what I mean TrenBull is you're not afraid to tell your woman how you feel about her, regardless of the outcome. ****, a person can't live their lives holding it all in and then realising later on they shoulda said something.

Life's short and you're a long time dead.

[ascendant]

Sorry, i read the first sentence and realized id get further talking to a brick wall. We obviously share different beliefs and are set in our own ways so nothing more needs to be said imo. If i "offended" you those werent my intentions, but people get into war over opposing beliefs and it would be logical at this point to step outside this debate, realize absolutley nothing has been accomplished, and just drop it imo.
If your views keep you happy in life thats all that matters, as my views have helped me avoid much conflict while reaping the most benefit in life. But this has long ago surpassed the brink of annoying, and has manifested into a pseudo-intellectual deluded misinterpretation of everything this forum was intended to do. They say the first 2 steps in accepting any new belief in life are frustration and defiance, 2 things you more than well demonstrated in this thread. And 2 things you can throw back at me, w/e the case, its all monkey talk.

well if you ever decide to jump back onto this thread, may want to actually read what i said there in that post. may give you some insight into a few things that need some work. if you could learn to control your temper (aka your emotions, which for some reason you seem to think you can't), you'll realize that we can keep a perfectly rational discussion between us.

i actually enjoy talking with people with conflicting views of things cause that's the kind of people you learn from. if we all just spent time talking with people we saw eye to eye on with everything, we certainly wouldn't learn much. it's those that we see different views with that show us new perspectives on things. my only issue with you is your lack of self-control in maintaining a respectable attitude with others on here.

[biglouie250]

hey ascendant you know what i find funny..... there are 2 types of people that take up psychology as a profession. one is the effed up person who probably needs some sort of mental help themselves. This comprises about 90% of them. every pysche major ive met aside from about 3 fit into this categorey. Bojangles on the other hand is part of the more dangerous prototypical group of psychology majors that actually take themselves seriously. Whenever you meet someone that introduces themselves as a psychologist the following conversation takes place:

person 1 "Hi im Joe Blow, im a pyschologist"
person 2 "Oh......" <uncomfortable silence>

I think that shoe salesmen get more respect. But i guess the rest of the world is crazy. Let me ask you think Bo, if the majority of our society (the AR forum) think your crazy and or wrong.....well arent you wrong then? If society dictates morality, and what is right and wrong, and we as a collective feel you are wrong.......well your a smart guy.

[biglouie250]

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I think the EXACT difference between animals and humans is considered to be the fact that humans possess emotions while animals do not. But other than that, yes humans have the same primal instincts that animals have. (I think Bo would agree with this, but I won't speak for him).

if youve ever owned a dog you know they have emotions. they get happy, sad, anxious, nervous, scared, etc.

In regards to your comment on some people just being "****ups" I imagine you've never been close to anyone with any severe emotional problems. Are they the way they are because they're weak minded? Possibly, but probably not. People have to be taught how to deal with their emotions - some moreso than others. I would assume this usually happens throughout childhood and depends on the childs upbringin. Unfortunately not everyone has a stable set of parents.

unfortunatly i have, my gf's mom. severe issues, suicide attempt, up at 4am hammering shit, doesnt clean, doesnt cook, doesnt do laundry, lies and acts like a 4 yr old. smokes 2 packs a day, etc. she has always been messed up but getting a divorce last year sent her off the deep end. you dont need to be an expert to figure that out. you cant teach an old dog new tricks. it pains me to say this but she will leave my gf (and probably me) and her sisters with debt, and medical bills and whole bunch of other headaches.

But again, for all these "****ed up" people that can't control their emotions that you consider to be "weak-minded" does that make you weak-minded as well? Because judging by your last post you seem to have a bit of trouble controlling your anger...

I'll admit this thread is getting a little heated tho.

thread is getting heated, i wasnt mad but you cant tell that over text. i think that Bo's field is not an exact black and white thing. everything in the field is open to interpretation and differing opinions. for every theory there is a contradicting theory. so for Bo to call people idiots and diagnose the AR community for our opinions on his "facts" is a little silly. Im not arguing that the sky isnt blue here. we are arguing something that may never be fully understood. if thats the way he feels fine, i disagree.

[Mizfit]

I think that shoe salesmen get more respect. But i guess the rest of the world is crazy. Let me ask you think Bo, if the majority of our society (the AR forum) think your crazy and or wrong.....well arent you wrong then? If society dictates morality, and what is right and wrong, and we as a collective feel you are wrong.......well your a smart guy.

wow.. speaking for everyone..... he made some valid point.. i'm sure he went a bit too far for some to prove a points.. but please do not speak for the whole of AR.

ascendent has a different philosophy on life, as i'm sure bo does, as i'm sure i do, as i'm sure almost every damn poster on this board does...

The whole doesn't always equal the sum of it's parts.. it's called life..

[biglouie250]

wow.. speaking for everyone..... he made some valid point.. i'm sure he went a bit too far for some to prove a points.. but please do not speak for the whole of AR.

ascendent has a different philosophy on life, as i'm sure bo does, as i'm sure i do, as i'm sure almost every damn poster on this board does...

The whole doesn't always equal the sum of it's parts.. it's called life..

thats why i said the majority wasnt speaking for everyone. was speaking for 95% of the people that disagreed with him based on their replies.

[Mizfit]

Not sure where you got 95% from?

I was more or less with Bo,

f4IDOm was with BO.

You’re with ascent…

Flagg was just watching the thread, but didn't get too involved...

Deludge, also went one way and then the other… and you have to read his words carefully because he is still new and doesn’t know how to quote

Prada rode the fence… I actually liked his posts..

Trenbull was having a conversation with himself through the entire thread and everyone else was along for the ride and wasn’t really interested in reading any of it…

Were you good in math? 95% huh… is this giving credit to some posters multiple personalities??? Please explain???

[biglouie250]

f4IDOm was with BO.

Were you good in math? 95% huh… is this giving credit to some posters multiple personalities??? Please explain???

f4idom really didnt get invovled other then saying he learned a lot. i guess that makes him with bo.

me, ascen, trenbull, iron adam and part of you didnt agree with him. ok so like 72.45%?

[Mizfit]

f4idom really didnt get invovled other then saying he learned a lot. i guess that makes him with bo.

me, ascen, trenbull, iron adam and part of you didnt agree with him. ok so like 72.45%?

AR has alot more members.. and as i said most of those posters were talking to themselves..

[Bojangles69]

ive resorted to responding via pm, seems people are a lot "nicer" for some reason. but i wont get into the whole "psychology" of it...
and yes,
im out for good now.

[Bojangles69]

and not saying mizfit represents the whole female community on ar..
but being as though the site is called steroid .com, there will be an obvious prominent male bias. so i ask that more women disagree with me in effort to make the males more secure in thier beliefs, because we all know men and women always see eye to eye on these things lol.
ok im really done now.

[ascendant]

wow.. speaking for everyone..... he made some valid point.. i'm sure he went a bit too far for some to prove a points.. but please do not speak for the whole of AR.

ascendent has a different philosophy on life, as i'm sure bo does, as i'm sure i do, as i'm sure almost every damn poster on this board does...

The whole doesn't always equal the sum of it's parts.. it's called life..

i agree with what you said here.

the thing is though is that most of us can respectfully say that the majority of our statements on here are opinions and can hear out and respect other peoples opinions. there are occasionally things that are proven/disproven, but most of our comments are just our opinions. as you can see by the posts however, there are some other people that seem to think their opinions are facts.

however, when you can't even talk to others about your opinions without a need to demean others for absolutely no reason other than having a bad temper, that's a serious problem right there. it also has to make you question how sincerely that person believes what they're saying when they feel a need to get that defensive over what they state.

bo decided to stop communicating because he felt that he couldn't convince me he was right. he had no interest in trying to learn anything or see another perspective, it was just about being right to him. once he realized that wasn't going to happen, he lost interest in the thread. hopefully if enough of us online here and in his life bring his character flaws to his attention, he may down the road learn to keep a more open mind to things.

[ascendant]

i think that Bo's field is not an exact black and white thing. everything in the field is open to interpretation and differing opinions. for every theory there is a contradicting theory. so for Bo to call people idiots and diagnose the AR community for our opinions on his "facts" is a little silly. Im not arguing that the sky isnt blue here. we are arguing something that may never be fully understood. if thats the way he feels fine, i disagree.

i completely agree. though he may be stating one psychologists theory as "fact", there are plenty other psychologists who would completely disagree.

no matter how many times one theory proves itself right, there's always exceptions to the rule. also, lets not forget what i mentioned about physics. at one point, physics and it's theories had almost all the answers for the mysteries of our universe. as we learned and studied more we found quantum physics, which basically told us "yes, physics did seem to have all the answers. however, turns out the majority of it was wrong and now here's the truth".

no matter how right something seems to be, if it's a theory, it can never be reffered to as a "fact".

[ascendant]

AR has alot more members.. and as i said most of those posters were talking to themselves..

miz, you have to accept the fact that the majority of the people on here disagree with bo. not just on this thread, but any thread you find the guy in. do a search on his posts and you'll find this to be true. you are one of the very select few people that see eye to eye with the guy.

he gets in heated arguments with people everywhere. he just got off a suspension recently for arguing with a mod. this guy gets on peoples bad side real quckly, and i have warned him about those actions and the potential ban he's looking for by continuing him.

despite our contradictory beliefs, i still tried to look out for the guy. you know as well as i that he wouldn't have done the same, but that doesn't matter to me. but after trying to give him that heads up what do i get? more insults and derogatory comments that are completely uncalled for.

i think his psychological studies would prove very useful in self-analysis to realize his inherrent character flaws which continuously gets him into the arguments he always innevitably ends up in. regretfully, he seems too focused on directing his psychological theories on others to actually utilize it for self-improvement.

[Mizfit]

miz, you have to accept the fact that the majority of the people on here disagree with bo. not just on this thread, but any thread you find the guy in. do a search on his posts and you'll find this to be true. you are one of the very select few people that see eye to eye with the guy.

he gets in heated arguments with people everywhere. he just got off a suspension recently for arguing with a mod. this guy gets on peoples bad side real quckly, and i have warned him about those actions and the potential ban he's looking for by continuing him.

despite our contradictory beliefs, i still tried to look out for the guy. you know as well as i that he wouldn't have done the same, but that doesn't matter to me. but after trying to give him that heads up what do i get? more insults and derogatory comments that are completely uncalled for.

i think his psychological studies would prove very useful in self-analysis to realize his inherrent character flaws which continuously gets him into the arguments he always innevitably ends up in. regretfully, he seems too focused on directing his psychological theories on others to actually utilize it for self-improvement.

I don't like when some one pulls a statistic outta thier ass and speaks for everyone..with nothing to back it up, that was my point.

[taiboxa]

this thread shud be burned ><

[Mizfit]

this thread shud be burned ><

ok you fart.. i got the liter....

[biglouie250]

I don't like when some one pulls a statistic outta thier ass and speaks for everyone..with nothing to back it up, that was my point.

its wasnt pulled out of my ass.....but rather another nether region. in all seriousness i hope you understood my "statistic" to be exaggerated and sarcastic to a point. As Ascen pointed out, Bo does tend to incite a riot in threads and you can view a lot of people who disagree with him not only in this thread but other threads as well.

[Bojangles69]

i completely agree. though he may be stating one psychologists theory as "fact", there are plenty other psychologists who would completely disagree.

no matter how many times one theory proves itself right, there's always exceptions to the rule. also, lets not forget what i mentioned about physics. at one point, physics and it's theories had almost all the answers for the mysteries of our universe. as we learned and studied more we found quantum physics, which basically told us "yes, physics did seem to have all the answers. however, turns out the majority of it was wrong and now here's the truth".

no matter how right something seems to be, if it's a theory, it can never be reffered to as a "fact".

see this is why i publically ridicule you, where in the f_ck did i say anything about my shit being "facts"?!?! do not come back with some bullshit well you said this and this so it means this shit. point out where i said that or dont say another f_ckn word cuz this is ridiculous, adhd having m**f**er. this is why i love mizfit because she made it really clear that this thread is more or less a bunch of people having conversations with themselves, and i agree with tai that someone should burn this shit. great i broke the no flaming rule, well in real life buddy, i flame the shit out of people cuz i dont sugercoat shit, i tell shit how it is, and yes this is AR and i respect the mods but i DO NOT respect you cuz you have made some dumbass remarks in this thread.. but no Bo thats not right dont make fun of people. Who the hell in their right mind admits they have no boundaries with women in those same exact words? Thats practically saying you let woman walk all over you, i dont respect that and i dont respect you, not because you have "different beliefs" but because you dont know what the hell you believe in, because if you did, you would have let this shit die a long time ago and would stop trying to prove yourself. All i did was start a thread that exposed people to a different perspective on shit and we have approval seekers from everywhere even people saying well 95% of the thread agrees with me so i have to be right. You are an APPROVAL SEEKER yourself looking for percentages to validate what you believe. Which is what this whole thread was about and thats why you got mad because your still looking around for approval. I DONT CARE. IM OUT, THIS IS GAY, THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS, PLEASE LOCK IT. I apologize to the mods, but i cant apologize to certain people in this thread because they express no concern over what they say, serious who the hell says "well 95% of the thread agrees with me" joke or not, how friggn insecure can someone be?!?! ok here comes the heap of misinterpretation again, let it be known im not readn it, I DONT CARE ANYMORE.
PEACE!!!