Why Be Straight? (Religion Allowed?)

**kfrost06** · 07-25-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Thats right. God is supposedly infaliable, which meant He KNEW what would happen by putting that tree in the Garden of Eden for Eve to discover, which meant He KNEW what we'd be getting upto for the next few thousand years, including people having gay sex. By that estimation God doesnt have the right to be a homophobe or demand people be straight. You could essentially say its His fault.

Perhaps you should take that up with the Man, maybe you should give him your guidelines on what He can and can't do.

**kfrost06** · 07-25-2007, 08:50 AM

Who needs coffee? I have this thread to wake me up.

**Flagg** · 07-25-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Perhaps you should take that up with the Man, maybe you should give him your guidelines on what He can and can't do.

And that's your best counter argument to my post? Sounds almost a bigger copout as "the All Knowing" not knowing that gays would be around. Is this where you tell me God works in mysterious ways?

Do you believe gays are an a abomination?

**Psychotron** · 07-25-2007, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Flagg

And that's your best counter argument to my post? Sounds almost a bigger copout as "the All Knowing" not knowing that gays would be around. Is this where you tell me God works in mysterious ways?

Do you believe gays are an a abomination?

Generally, the response should be that you are gay because of a choice. That choice is a sinful one, and is a result of the sinful heart of every human being.

If being Gay really wasn't a choice, then you would have a different set of things to think about. I am however of the beliefe that any lifestyle is a choice, you arent inprinted to be one way or the other.

**BgMc31** · 07-25-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Conservative

Hypocrisy? Christians don't pick and choose what they want out of the bible. We live by the New Testament, which clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Do you want me to quote scriptures?

Jesus did preach tolerance and acceptance and he also gave people the opportunity to turn their lives around and accept Jesus. If you don't then suffer the consequences.

Your Roman argument is comical at best...I could write a novel about how many ways your are wrong! You're talking to a theology major, please stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about, you're embarrassing the other libs.

Claiming to be a theology major doesn't mean you are correct, nor does it bring any facts to support your argument. You whole blind rhetoric is laughable at best. Jesus never said homosexuality was wrong, again, Jesus never put pen to pad. And everything he supposedly said was written years after his death.

**Hoggage_54** · 07-25-2007, 09:50 AM

Religious parrots are always good for a laugh

**Logan13** · 07-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Jesus never said homosexuality was wrong, again, Jesus never put pen to pad. And everything he supposedly said was written years after his death.

And your point is what.........
Remember, Jesus' teachings were in line with the Old Testament. Do you think that homosexuality was not brought up in the Old Testament?

**Logan13** · 07-25-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by LawMan018

Look where our country is now due to conservatives, aka Bush... We don't need to wait 50 years!

Open your eyes and see where we are today. We have only had one Democrat president since the all might Carter. There's is an abundance in this country, I am sorry that you have been unable to grasp yours and therefore resent those who have.......

**Logan13** · 07-25-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by LawMan018

No... But Iraq would be a stable country and hate for America (extremist terrorist groups, or regular countries) would be far less... = Safer World

So it is your opinion that Saddam should have stayed in power? Your definition of "stable" could also be used to describe Germany under Hitler's rule. "Sure, he had whole families exterminated for their ethnicity, but this daily threat created a "stable" country."

I think that you seriously need a new cause, perhaps Rosie needs an another Armed body guard Lawman.

**Flagg** · 07-26-2007, 09:07 AM

Regardless of what all you Christians think, gays are here to stay. Times are getting more tollerant, more gay people won't feel the need to hide anymore and ignorant people will just be forgotten.

**K.Biz** · 07-26-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Regardless of what all you Christians think, gays are here to stay. Times are getting more tollerant, more gay people won't feel the need to hide anymore and ignorant people will just be forgotten.

agreed.

**kfrost06** · 07-26-2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Regardless of what all you Christians think, gays are here to stay. Times are getting more tollerant, more gay people won't feel the need to hide anymore and ignorant people will just be forgotten.

Again with the hate towards Christians. If you do not agree with the ideology then do not keep bringing it up. Are their religious poster on the adult page harassing anyone? You know why? because they stay away if they do not like it. So why do you keep spewing your hatred for Christians here? We know you do not like us, your point has been made you believe Christians are ignorant so move on and stop the harassment.

**K.Biz** · 07-26-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Again with the hate towards Christians. If you do not agree with the ideology then do not keep bringing it up. Are their religious poster on the adult page harassing anyone? You know why? because they stay away if they do not like it. So why do you keep spewing your hatred for Christians here? We know you do not like us your point has been made you believe Christians are ignorant so move on and stop the harassment.

**BgMc31** · 07-26-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

And your point is what.........
Remember, Jesus' teachings were in line with the Old Testament. Do you think that homosexuality was not brought up in the Old Testament?

If you don't see my point then again, you can't read. Jesus preached tolerance, a lot more tolerant than what is preached in the old testament. Again, my point, so you can read it for the fourth time... all these rules that are expoused in the bible and used to justify the negative treatment of others was not written by Jesus. Everything in the Bible was written years, many years, after his death. The man never put pen to paper so we don't know what exactly the man said in regards to homosexuality or anything else. The Bible is one of those books that are 'based on a true story' and we all know the creative license authors take with those 'stories'.

**Hunter** · 07-26-2007, 11:19 AM

The bible teaches tolerance. I understand when people say look at the atrocities people have commited becouse of religion ex. spanish inquistion, Radical muslims using jihad for there purposes but neither of those things have anything to do with God nor did he approve of them. Stalin killed millions also and not in the name of religion. Evil people will do evil things and use anything to justify them.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-26-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

The bible teaches tolerance. I understand when people say look at the atrocities people have commited becouse of religion ex. spanish inquistion, Radical muslims using jihad for there purposes but neither of those things have anything to do with God nor did he approve of them. Stalin killed millions also and not in the name of religion. Evil people will do evil things and use anything to justify them.

Anytime something bad happens there is an excuse why god did nothing or let it happen. Its our free will. God has a master plan and we don't know it. Gods punishment for our sins.

But every time something good happens. Its a miracle . I prayed to god and he helped us.

God has the ultimate set-up. Anything good its because of him. Anything bad can be explained away why its not his fault.

almost like the girls i date. Nothing is ever their fault.

If you couldnt tell i belive god is as real as the boogy man

**xero** · 07-26-2007, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Some would say that God is peoples' most creative invention

Very good point. It am always amazed by how absolutely certain some people are that there is a "god" when there is no logical reason to be so sure of it.

**mavsluva** · 07-26-2007, 01:36 PM

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**gixxerboy1** · 07-26-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by mavsluva

Believe it or not, everyone has faith in everything that they do. For instance, you purchase a car. You purchase a specific car because you have faith in that car. You then choose to drive the car because you have faith in the fact that your car will get you from point A to point B safely. There are tons of dangerous variables when driving a car, but your faith is strong enough to enable you to believe that you'll be okay when driving the car.

The very same principle appies to those that believe in God. While I don't frown down upon you for the type of car that you drive, I'll ask that you not frown down upon those that believe in God. Because questioning my belief in God is really questioning the integrity of my faith.

Here's a scenario for each and every one on this board:

The very next time that you get a headache, I'll ask that you not take anything to make it go away. No OTC medicines or whatever your choice of medication may be. Just deal with the headache on your own.

Now you may be asking, "What does this have to do with the topic of our discussion concerning God and what not?". Actually, quite a bit. You see, you may choose to take some aspirin to help curb a headache because your faith is strong enough in that aspirin to give you confidence that it will in fact work for you. So you take the aspirin and then wait to feel better because you know that it will make you feel better. Well, the same applies to those that believe in God. We put our faith in God to nourish each and every aspect in our lives. Because in the end, God is our aspirin.

It would not be appropriate for me to bash those who take aspirin to heal their headaches, so lets be respectful to those that do believe in God.

Mavs

I'm sorry if you took my post as a bash. Also mav's i believe you are much more then just your faith

But as for the scenarios you mentioned. Yes we may have faith in a car to get us from point a to point b. But thats because that was a what a car was designed for also from past experiences it has worked before. That's why i know it will do it. Not because of faith but because of fact.

Now take some invention you have never seen or heard of before. I show you some box and tell you if you hold it and spin around 3 times it will paint your house. Now seeing how this seems unbelievable and you never heard or seen such a thing. You may try it but your not going to have much faith it will work. if it did work and you painted all the houses in your neighbor hood. you wouldn't have faith it would work on the next house you will know it will. Because its been proven just like aspirin

**BgMc31** · 07-26-2007, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by mavsluva

Believe it or not, everyone has faith in everything that they do. For instance, you purchase a car. You purchase a specific car because you have faith in that car. You then choose to drive the car because you have faith in the fact that your car will get you from point A to point B safely. There are tons of dangerous variables when driving a car, but your faith is strong enough to enable you to believe that you'll be okay when driving the car.

The very same principle appies to those that believe in God. While I don't frown down upon you for the type of car that you drive, I'll ask that you not frown down upon those that believe in God. Because questioning my belief in God is really questioning the integrity of my faith.

Here's a scenario for each and every one on this board:

The very next time that you get a headache, I'll ask that you not take anything to make it go away. No OTC medicines or whatever your choice of medication may be. Just deal with the headache on your own.

Now you may be asking, "What does this have to do with the topic of our discussion concerning God and what not?". Actually, quite a bit. You see, you may choose to take some aspirin to help curb a headache because your faith is strong enough in that aspirin to give you confidence that it will in fact work for you. So you take the aspirin and then wait to feel better because you know that it will make you feel better. Well, the same applies to those that believe in God. We put our faith in God to nourish each and every aspect in our lives. Because in the end, God is our aspirin.

It would not be appropriate for me to bash those who take aspirin to heal their headaches, so lets be respectful to those that do believe in God.

Mavs

Very well spoken Mavsluva, BUT, you cannot compare faith in Aspirin to faith in God. The effects of aspirin is proven and not based on faith, as is every other medicine. There is proof that these medications work to dull pain. The belief in God or any other entity isn't based in truth or fact but rather in faith, pure faith. Nothing wrong with that, but comparing the to is reaching.

The same applies with your comparison of cars and faith. I don't have faith in my Durango, I chose my Durango because I liked it better than what was currently available. I know you aren't saying that you like your religion because it's the best available and in your price range. Because I know if another 'better' religion came along, would you switch?

Although much of what we do is based on some sort of faith, those who aren't believers don't put their trust in faith but rather in tangibles that is supported by science or such.

As for myself I am a believer (recently switched from agnostic), but I don't base my beliefs by the Bible, preachers, or fanaticism. I believe Jesus preached tolerance of all people and believed we should walk our own path in what we choose to be the path of God and let God judge us when the time comes not man. And in my opinion, I will not deny these God given pleasures because some man told me it's wrong. I'll leave that to the real 'higher power'.

**Tock** · 07-26-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Again with the hate towards Christians.

I don't think it's a dislike toward Christians many people feel, as much as it is an antipathy for the variety of obnoxiously fundamentalist Christianity some of them impose on the rest of us.

Take, for instance, the laws against dancing, drinking, card-playing, lesbian sex, gay sex, and the laws that required Jewish public school kids to say a prayer to Jesus at the start of every school day. Stuff like that. Used to be that gay sex would get ya 20 years in prison, and only because the Bible said it was a no-no.

Nowadays we have lots of cranky self-righteous Christian preachers and politicians who passed laws telling the rest of us that we have to "be sexually good," and meanwhile, they've been out having sex with hookers and little girls and gay escorts. What the he-- bunch of creeps are these? The only reason anyone would want to be like them, would be to improve their sex life.

Lots of Christians are nice people to be around. But idiots like the money-grubbing sex-crazed lying fat-assed TV evangelists who pay low-life sleazy child-molesting sellout Republican politicians to outlaw everything from sex to medically-supervised use of AS, well, they're just useless trash; they're a pox on the country; a scourge on an otherwise happy nation, and ought to be rounded up and forced to emigrate to the dark side of Mars.

**Hoggage_54** · 07-26-2007, 10:12 PM

Ladies and gentlemen... Ted Haggard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA

**Logan13** · 07-27-2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Regardless of what all you Christians think, gays are here to stay. Times are getting more tollerant, more gay people won't feel the need to hide anymore and ignorant people will just be forgotten.

As the world population increases, so will the number of homosexuals. It is mother nature's population control.

**Logan13** · 07-27-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

If you don't see my point then again, you can't read. Jesus preached tolerance, a lot more tolerant than what is preached in the old testament. Again, my point, so you can read it for the fourth time... all these rules that are expoused in the bible and used to justify the negative treatment of others was not written by Jesus. Everything in the Bible was written years, many years, after his death. The man never put pen to paper so we don't know what exactly the man said in regards to homosexuality or anything else. The Bible is one of those books that are 'based on a true story' and we all know the creative license authors take with those 'stories'.

Yes, but Jesus embraced the God of the Old Testament. Knowing what God said about homosexuality in the Old Testament, one can surmise that Jesus agreed with this as well. This is just as plausible as your view. The Koran speaks of homosexuals with a much tougher tone and graver consequences than the Bible does.

**Coop77** · 07-27-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

As the world population increases, so will the number of homosexuals. It is mother nature's population control.

In other threads you've said one's sexual orientation is something they choose.

**Logan13** · 07-28-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Coop77

In other threads you've said one's sexual orientation is something they choose.

I have stated that homosexuality is mother nature's population control in other threads as well. Dabbling in homosexuality as a "bisexual" is a choice.

**Kale** · 07-28-2007, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

I have stated that homosexuality is mother nature's population control in other threads as well. Dabbling in homosexuality as a "bisexual" is a choice.

And you know that because ?

**Mogamedogz** · 07-28-2007, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Psychotron

I am however of the beliefe that any lifestyle is a choice, you arent inprinted to be one way or the other.

So ALL of these gay guys (who say that they were born gay), are just making it up??

**Logan13** · 07-28-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

And you know that because ?

And you know that this isn't true because......?

**Mogamedogz** · 07-28-2007, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

And you know that this isn't true because......?

Can’t speak for anyone else... But I know it, because EVERY SINGLE gay guy that I have ever spoken to about it, has told me that they were born that way. Why would they ALL lie about it?? Is it just a big conspiracy by the gay community? Are they all just making it up?

**Coop77** · 07-28-2007, 01:11 PM

There's a lot of confusion about whether the word "gay" refers to an "orientation" or a "lifestyle." Of course someone's lifestyle is their choice. They choose if they want to go to gay bars, sleep with men, etc. But one's sexual orientation, what they're attracted to, is beyond anyone's control. If you like asian girls, you didn't choose to like them, you just do. Same goes for dudes who like dudes.

**Kale** · 07-28-2007, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

And you know that this isn't true because......?

Because I am Bisexual der !!!!!! And you have no clue and are just an ignorant bigot !!!!

**Logan13** · 07-28-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Because I am Bisexual der !!!!!! And you have no clue and are just an ignorant bigot !!!!

Or maybe you are just insecure.....get over it. I couldn't give a shit what you do in your bedroom, why do you care what my opinion about it is. Live and let live does not equate to approval.

**Logan13** · 07-28-2007, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mogamedogz

Why would they ALL lie about it?? Is it just a big conspiracy by the gay community? Are they all just making it up?

Social acceptance.......

**IronReload04** · 07-30-2007, 09:35 PM

I am catholic..........I believe in Jesus and God, and I believe in Jesus the way Catholics believe in Jesus

BUt imo, alot of things regarding catholicism is stacked full of shit sky high

1. Guess what are pope stated (somthing along the lines of) "only Catholics will go to heaven" just recently.......Well, the pope is supposed to be the voice of God, and infallable......But you know what, bleep him.......ONLY God will judge that.....who ever thinks that only one people will got to heaven can also go bleep themselves

2. THing number 2- Jesus never said priests cant marry.....But some douche bag, who was a pope, declared this crap and made it a rule...Meanwhile, he had mistreses

what does this do for what IM saying? things have been tampered with, and these are just 2 examples of bullshit

With crap like this, the fact that some people can use some bullshit like leviticus, and say the bible sais this, the bible sais that, no this is a rule,

are well imo, brainwashed

who knows how many times through out history things have been tampered with

and ya know what........people trying to teach christianity to slaves etc etc.....ha, what a crock of ****ing shit

once again, any one using things like leviticus need to open up their eyes....

my rant-

**Mogamedogz** · 07-30-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

Social acceptance.......

You have said plenty of LAME things on here... but this might take the cake. You cant REALLY believe that.

***Doc.Sust*** · 07-30-2007, 09:45 PM

hmmm, looks almost like another whore thread

**Bojangles69** · 07-31-2007, 12:18 AM

umm it works like this.

God (or nature or w/e the fvck you belive in) gave you this thing called a "pe-nis" and gave women a "va-gi-na" and you put one in the other and have a a whole bunch of fun =]

If we DIDN'T we'd all be dead. I DO however love gay people and think they're great because we are in the midst of a population explosion and they help keep shit under control.
But back in the dark ages and right after the plague I admit Id be anti-gay if I was born in that era.
But now its like w/e floats your boat just go for it.

I just know I'm a vagina kinda of guy.

**Hunter** · 07-31-2007, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Anytime something bad happens there is an excuse why god did nothing or let it happen. Its our free will. God has a master plan and we don't know it. Gods punishment for our sins.

But every time something good happens. Its a miracle . I prayed to god and he helped us.

God has the ultimate set-up. Anything good its because of him. Anything bad can be explained away why its not his fault.

almost like the girls i date. Nothing is ever their fault.

If you couldnt tell i belive god is as real as the boogy man

thats fine, I dont push my beliefs on anyone. I am saying in my heart of hearts, I dont believe all bad things happen becouse of god nor all good things. I think alot of people disguise things with religion ex the taliban or the spanish inquinistion. At the same time alot of good has been done in the name of religion to, mother theresa for example. I believe god gave us freewill, I believe that becouse I repent for my sins and try to live a good life i will be accepted into the gods flock after I die. Simple as that i judge no one besides like a rapist. Do I think less of you becouse your an athesist not at all. I understand the bad taste that can be left in someones mouth when they hear of horrible acts that have been commiteted in the name of god. I have faith in the lord and trust in him. I guess it comes down to faith.