How much of a difference does being buff make in getting the girl?

[IronReload04]

if a girl ever tells you she does not find more muscle attractive, she aint getting her ass tapped good.

[johnnybigguns]

you could see alot of good research on the car so you buy it and that certain car could be a lemon. Either way we usually research the car and test drive it before we buy.What part of the world are you from. I can see in an older country where this would have a better chance of working forsure. One thing that sucks is she might have a good personality but what if you just don't get along then your married an unhappy forever. In north america the way things are nowadays this definitely wouldn't work. We all go off bio data I would say as one part of it.

[scibble]

Anyways, like I said, I get that this is very difficult for others here to fathom...

just to comment on that...

i pretty much understand the whole thing...in the orthodox Jewish community it's the same way.

i agree that for people totally raised in the religious environment it works...
the reason is largely that you have two people who are pretty much on the same page in terms of attitudes about religion, politics, interpersonal relations, modesty, child-rearing.... you name it. So there are unlikely to be any big surprises. The role of the husband and wife are predetermined and agreed upon inherently.

i imagine you have a small number of chances to meet and speak with her once the arrangement is deemed possible by the community, with a chaperone probably? and spend just enough time together to get the sense that she is who she is said to be. and see that she does not have some undocumented hairy upper lip LOL

only I dont understand the important of "flawless" beauty. i mean, everyone wants an attractive mate, but "flawless?" that is so fleeting.

well, you know what they say. make sure you get a good look at her mother first, cause dam sure that's how your wife will look down the road, maybe even after just a few years and one or two kids....

[gst528i]

GST, what type of brown guy are you? I'm guessing Persian?

Persian ? nah what gave you that idea? Although i did a persian girl man they are exotic looking. well some of themm with the greyish eyes.

I am indian descent with just a little british (white very little ) in me. Mom's indian and dad's granpa was white.
Dad's an atheist mom's hindu. So you can see where most of my questions come from lol..


Now onto the girl. I know all about the " bio-data" hahaha. In my opnion that sucks. Thank god my mom is okay with me dating chicks and dating outside my race.
Well buffed guy, from the way you are going in for the kill, it is not going to matter if you show alot of muscle or your confidence issues. FROM what i understand she will also be asking around about you and " RESEARCH" you.

if you have a good reputation, than great. You can help yourself by starting to spread some good things abolut you in the community. That should only help your cause.
Also from what my mom tells me how this works is, you have to impress her father so get to it.

[WOLFCRAFT]

I'm gonna say ZERO.

[J-Dogg]

Persian ? nah what gave you that idea? Although i did a persian girl man they are exotic looking. well some of themm with the greyish eyes.

I am indian descent with just a little british (white very little ) in me. Mom's indian and dad's granpa was white.
Dad's an atheist mom's hindu. So you can see where most of my questions come from lol..


Now onto the girl. I know all about the " bio-data" hahaha. In my opnion that sucks. Thank god my mom is okay with me dating chicks and dating outside my race.
Well buffed guy, from the way you are going in for the kill, it is not going to matter if you show alot of muscle or your confidence issues. FROM what i understand she will also be asking around about you and " RESEARCH" you.

if you have a good reputation, than great. You can help yourself by starting to spread some good things abolut you in the community. That should only help your cause.
Also from what my mom tells me how this works is, you have to impress her father so get to it.

I did a girl from India once. She was tiny and smoking hot. I think she gave me HPV though.

[gst528i]

lucky you aint a bitch. I don't think HPV affects men.
And daym right you should have gott her tested. Indian women, if it is easy to get in their pants be warned.

[BuffedGuy]

lucky you aint a bitch. I don't think HPV affects men.

It can, but rarely. Causes genital warts and a risk factor for carcinoma. But it is rarer, like you said.

[J-Dogg]

lucky you aint a bitch. I don't think HPV affects men.
And daym right you should have gott her tested. Indian women, if it is easy to get in their pants be warned.

ya, it's caused me no problems, don't really care.

She was pretty easy. I remember my friend watched me rail her from my closet. Was kind weird cause he says to me "Can i watch?"

Too bad he did not shut the door. He's 6'7" and 305lbs, not really easy to hide.

[BuffedGuy]

Persian ? nah what gave you that idea? Although i did a persian girl man they are exotic looking. well some of themm with the greyish eyes.

I am indian descent with just a little british (white very little ) in me. Mom's indian and dad's granpa was white.
Dad's an atheist mom's hindu. So you can see where most of my questions come from lol..

You are what we call a coconut.

[scibble]

You are what we call a coconut.

not to hijack, but i'm white and my wife is Indian: so my kids are "coconuts" too? that's pretty funny. in what country(ies) they use that term?

[thegodfather]

I wouldn't expect a future medical professional to be so fixated along racial lines. Anyone who is educated in biology knows there are almost no genetic differences between the "races." Race is a social construction and is not based in any legitimate science what so ever.

[D7M]

not to hijack, but i'm white and my wife is Indian: so my kids are "coconuts" too? that's pretty funny. in what country(ies) they use that term?

wouldn't they be "half-coconuts"?

[gst528i]

coconut can also be used for all brown kids but act white. That;s what buffed guy is trying to tell me. .You rat bastard lol....
it's all good bro.

scibble is indian wife hot? and you better hope she doesn;t find out ur cheating on her lol.. i'm rooting for you though.

[scibble]

coconut can also be used for all brown kids but act white. That;s what buffed guy is trying to tell me. .You rat bastard lol....
it's all good bro.

scibble is indian wife hot? and you better hope she doesn;t find out ur cheating on her lol.. i'm rooting for you though.

she is hot. she was even more hot. after two kids she is still hot, but in an after-having-two kids kinda way iykwim. i like to....whoops, sorry buffed guy

LMAO...

(i posted a pic in my profile)

[BuffedGuy]

I wouldn't expect a future medical professional to be so fixated along racial lines. Anyone who is educated in biology knows there are almost no genetic differences between the "races." Race is a social construction and is not based in any legitimate science what so ever.

What are you talking about bro? I was just joking around with him. I'm just saying that although he may have some brown in him, he doesn't fit the stereotypical mold. There's nothing wrong with that. Just saying that he wouldn't completely understand. Didn't mean any offense.

[thegodfather]

What are you talking about bro? I was just joking around with him. I'm just saying that although he may have some brown in him, he doesn't fit the stereotypical mold. There's nothing wrong with that. Just saying that he wouldn't completely understand. Didn't mean any offense.

No I meant, are you required to marry someone within your race? That would seem silly...

[J-Dogg]

No I meant, are you required to marry someone within your race? That would seem silly...

Black girls have bigger butts and like it in the butt.

Apparently you've never watched porn

[BuffedGuy]

No I meant, are you required to marry someone within your race? That would seem silly...

No, from the same religion.

[JiGGaMaN]

No I meant, are you required to marry someone within your race? That would seem silly...

i worked at a banquet hall, primarily for weddings. its not THAT silly. i would say around 70%+ were of the same background (religious/ethnic). i have cred on the subject, i worked there for 5 years.

[scibble]

it may seem silly, but buffed is living as part of a community and there are societal pressures and expectations on him which will affect his future in every way imaginable - it does not necessarily mean he personally has a problem with marrying outside his race, same religion.

[Gaspari1255]

I'm glad I came across this thread because I have thought about this a lot lately. The conclusion that I have come to is that muscles will definitely turn chicks heads and have them "eye-fcvking" you, if you will. But that does NOT mean that they are into you. I get a lot more girls being 6'3" 240lbs now because of one thing, confidence. I could have probably gotten the same chicks when I was 170lbs a few years ago, just did not have that confidence. muscles=confidence. However, several guys can pull hot chicks without muscles because of the confidence they have in general.

[BuffedGuy]

coconut can also be used for all brown kids but act white. That;s what buffed guy is trying to tell me. .You rat bastard lol....
it's all good bro.

lol yeah, so they wouldn't be half coconuts. They'd be full. Haha. As for what country that is used, it's used in the Motherland, i.e. Pakistan and probably India too.

[BuffedGuy]

just to comment on that...

i pretty much understand the whole thing...in the orthodox Jewish community it's the same way.

i agree that for people totally raised in the religious environment it works...
the reason is largely that you have two people who are pretty much on the same page in terms of attitudes about religion, politics, interpersonal relations, modesty, child-rearing.... you name it. So there are unlikely to be any big surprises. The role of the husband and wife are predetermined and agreed upon inherently.

Yeah, Scibble. That is how it is for us. It is always interesting how similar orthodox Jews and orthodox Muslims are. I was just reading in an article that Jews cannot touch members of the opposite gender either; they gave a Hebrew word for that, but I forgot it. Does this include shaking hands?

only I dont understand the important of "flawless" beauty. i mean, everyone wants an attractive mate, but "flawless?" that is so fleeting.

I know it's a superficial requirement. However, I consider it as something that will help me cast down my gaze. If I am pleased with what I have, I will be less tempted to cast my gaze on that which is forbidden. Wallahu Aalim.

[BuffedGuy]

it may seem silly, but buffed is living as part of a community and there are societal pressures and expectations on him which will affect his future in every way imaginable - it does not necessarily mean he personally has a problem with marrying outside his race, same religion.

I have no problem with marrying a girl outside of my race. Prophet Muhammad [s] specifically arranged marriages between black-skinned and white-skinned people, in order to shatter that barrier. So from a religious view, I have no reason to forbid that.

But just biologically, I tend to be attracted to girls of my own race. I think a lot of guys feel this way, while a lot of other guys are 'equal opportunity.' But again, it's just a personal preference, like some guys like blonds.

[BuffedGuy]

I'd say move in now. If she likes you now, then she'll probably freak when you get bulked back..... for her. If she doesn't respond..well, the Muslim population is fairly large....right???

Yeah, but the problem is that the extremely good looking Muslim girls tend to be the liberal ones. An extremely good looking Muslim girl who is conservative/observant, doesn't date, covers, etc...well, that's not quite that easy to find. Pretty ones? Sure. Extremely hot ones? Very hard to find. But this one girl fits the bill.

[BuffedGuy]

I think you are overthinking this bro.

Ever read "Of Mice And Men" where Lenny just can't understand that he's too strong and going to crush the rabbits?

Already you are too invested thinking this girl is "your soulmate" and yet you have not one shred of proof to back that statement up. You will blow it with her by coming on too strong, I can guarantee it.

Seriously bro, stop obsessing about you "losing her" to University because she never was yours to begin with.

No offense, but this is a stalker mentality...

Haha, there is a thin line between what a girl would consider flattering and what she would consider stalking. If she likes a guy, then it's cute. If she doesn't, then it's stalking.

But I get what you're saying...see, the thing is, I've been searching for a couple years for someone who fits all my requirements, and I FINALLY found someone who does, so yeah I am perhaps a bit too obsessed now.

As for thinking she is my soul mate, I shouldn't have worded it as "the one." What I meant simply was that she fits all my list of requirements...you're right, we'll have to see if she is the one or not.

[scibble]

they gave a Hebrew word for that, but I forgot it. Does this include shaking hands?

Yes. No shaking hands. There are many many rules involving behavior as such. The word is for 'modesty', referring to both dress and behavior, called 'Znee-oot'. there's another word for no-touch, that i forget myself. A woman in fact would not even hand an object directly into the hand of a man that is not her husband, even though no direct touching is involved, etc

I know it's a superficial requirement. However, I consider it as something that will help me cast down my gaze. If I am pleased with what I have, I will be less tempted to cast my gaze on that which is forbidden. Wallahu Aalim.

Now I understand.

[run_n_fool]

Buffed,

Kudos to you bro, you have very thoughtful answers to what a lot of folks thing are superficial and vain questions. At the risk of sounding racist (which I am not), I think you are doing a lot to shatter stereotypes about Muslim people here.

Just my $.02

[daem]

Haha, there is a thin line between what a girl would consider flattering and what she would consider stalking. If she likes a guy, then it's cute. If she doesn't, then it's stalking.

But I get what you're saying...see, the thing is, I've been searching for a couple years for someone who fits all my requirements, and I FINALLY found someone who does, so yeah I am perhaps a bit too obsessed now.

As for thinking she is my soul mate, I shouldn't have worded it as "the one." What I meant simply was that she fits all my list of requirements...you're right, we'll have to see if she is the one or not.

Good luck anyway bro...Just trying to give you advice from the school of hard knocks...You should know that NOTHING in life EVER works out the way we want.

Tell us if you end up doing her in the butt.

[BuffedGuy]

Yes. No shaking hands. There are many many rules involving behavior as such.

Haha, that's so similar...So do you guys have discussions on how best to avoid handshakes without offending the other party? Like we discuss different tactics, like shoving your hands down your pockets, etc...What about discussions about how best to avoid contact when a female cashier hands you change? LOL

These are really serious problems for orthodox "observant" Muslims living in the West. Now that I know that Orthodox Jews also have such rules, I wonder why they don't spread some awareness about this topic. For example, it's not as hard to explain to people about what 'halal' is since Jews have 'kosher'. The no handshaking issue is really tough for Muslims, since a woman will automatically assume that we're not shaking hands with her because we think women are inferior. Although I've had varying experiences with the handshaking thing...some people are cool with it, most are not. One Non-Muslim girl extended her hand to shake mine, and I explained to her that I couldn't, and I think she was starstruck then lol...that was an interesting experience. But for the most part, it is a negative reaction.

If you don't mind, can you tell me some of the other rules about no touching, no interaction, etc? Maybe we can bump your thread...I didn't want to post there since I was afraid of being accused of hijacking it.

The word is for 'modesty', referring to both dress and behavior, called 'Znee-oot'.

Cool. In Islam, the corresponding word is 'haya', which also refers to both dress and behavior, and applies to both men and women, although more is expected from women in this matter. Prophet Muhammad [s] said: "When haya is lost, then do as you please!" (That means you're screwed if you lose haya.)

there's another word for no-touch, that i forget myself.

OK the article says that the Hebrew word for no-touching is shomernagiya. Sound about right?

In Islam, I think the closest word to that is "purdah" which literally means "barrier", and refers to a separation between the genders. Do you guys have a word for "gheerah" which in Arabic means "protective jealousy"?

A woman in fact would not even hand an object directly into the hand of a man that is not her husband, even though no direct touching is involved, etc

Yeah, like giving back change right?

I'm always surprised at the great similarities between Islam and Orthodox Judaism. For example, you guys say "nabi" for Prophet, so do we; you guys say "shalom", we say "salam", etc.

[JiGGaMaN]

please name the first boy Abdi-JiGGaMaN

[BuffedGuy]

Buffed,

Kudos to you bro, you have very thoughtful answers to what a lot of folks thing are superficial and vain questions. At the risk of sounding racist (which I am not), I think you are doing a lot to shatter stereotypes about Muslim people here.

Just my $.02

Peace be unto you.

I appreciate your kind words. Thank you very much.

I started posting a lot on this forum not to convert people but more to shatter stereotypes. So it's good to hear what you said.

Good luck anyway bro...Just trying to give you advice from the school of hard knocks...You should know that NOTHING in life EVER works out the way we want.

That's very true. As the saying goes: something always goes wrong. How well I know this when it comes to women. My first experience with a girl was a miserable, miserable, miserable experience, one that brought my whole life tumbling down.

[JiGGaMaN]

Haha, that's so similar...So do you guys have discussions on how best to avoid handshakes without offending the other party? Like we discuss different tactics, like shoving your hands down your pockets, etc...What about discussions about how best to avoid contact when a female cashier hands you change? LOL

These are really serious problems for orthodox "observant" Muslims living in the West. Now that I know that Orthodox Jews also have such rules, I wonder why they don't spend some awareness about this topic. For example, it's not as hard to explain to people about what 'halal' is since Jews have 'kosher'.

If you don't mind, can you tell me some of the other rules about no touching, no interaction, etc? Maybe we can bump your thread...I didn't want to post there since I was afraid of being accused of hijacking it.



Cool. In Islam, the corresponding word is 'haya', which also refers to both dress and behavior, and applies to both men and women, although more is expected from women in this matter. Prophet Muhammad [s] said: "When haya is lost, then do as you please!" (That means you're screwed if you lose haya.)



OK the article says that the Hebrew word for no-touching is shomernagiya. Sound about right?

In Islam, I think the closest word to that is "purdah" which literally means "barrier", and refers to a separation between the genders. Do you guys have a word for "gheerah" which in Arabic means "protective jealousy"?



Yeah, like giving back change right?

I'm always surprised at the great similarities between Islam and Orthodox Judaism. For example, you guys say "nabi" for Prophet, so do we; you guys say "shalom", we say "salam", etc.

Its also expected of men as well in judaism. Thats why when you imagine an orthodox man you think of this:


i grew up with a less strict set of rules for dress: essentially tank tops are a no-no and shorts must be below the knee.

another interesting practice with orthodox boys is that they are not allowed to cut their hair till they are 3. im willing to bet there may be a similar practice in islam.

[BuffedGuy]

please name the first boy Abdi-JiGGaMaN

Haha, that would be considered complete shirk (idolatry). We're only allowed to name our sons as Abdullah, which is the contraction of Abd-Allah (Slave of God). But otherwise, I'd name him that...really, I would...

[BuffedGuy]

i grew up with a less strict set of rules for dress: essentially tank tops are a no-no and shorts must be below the knee.

We have the exact same rule: shorts must go below the knee. Although there is no prohibition with regards to sleeves....which is good for us bodybuilders who love to flex our biceps.

another interesting practice with orthodox boys is that they are not allowed to cut their hair till they are 3. im willing to bet there may be a similar practice in islam.

Actually no, not on this issue.

However, can you tell me why Orthodox Jews all have beards? Is it a requirement?

[scibble]

Haha, that's so similar...So do you guys have discussions on how best to avoid handshakes without offending the other party? Like we discuss different tactics, like shoving your hands down your pockets, etc...What about discussions about how best to avoid contact when a female cashier hands you change? LOL

i really wish more effort were given to such concepts as trying not to offend someone, but quite frankly in my personal experience, the Jews I've met just make sure they obey the laws and never much concerned about whether offense is given.

If you don't mind, can you tell me some of the other rules about no touching, no interaction, etc? Maybe we can bump your thread...I didn't want to post there since I was afraid of being accused of hijacking it.

you are most welcome to post there. happy to have meaningful discussion.

well, a man and a woman must not be left alone in the same room. let's say a man came by his friend's house to drop off a book or something, and only his wife is home. he probably would not enter, or might enter just into the entryway with the front door wide open.

when i've been invited to meal at someone's home, often a girl will respond and pass to me a dish on the table but some of them would not. when a girl hands an object to you there is a moment of pull to make eye contact, to feel gratitude, and something even deeper just in the act of handing the item when both persons are holding.

this extends to the rules for ritual impurity. when the woman is menstruating, and for seven days following the cessation of the menses, the husband himself must obey all of the rules of not touching, not accepting objects, not sleeping in same bed, etc, etc. after the time is over the wife dunks into the ritual bath and goes home to party with her husband....

i'm am not totally knowledgeable of all the smaller detailed rules.

OK the article says that the Hebrew word for no-touching is shomernagiya. Sound about right?

quite accurate. 'shomer' is to guard or guard against, and 'nagiya' means touching. nice thing is there are available many books in English or hebrew with english translation and commentary explanation with all of the rules and how to follow them. can look through the catalog at www.artscroll.com . i'm quite sure there is a book regarding shomer nagiya.

n Islam, I think the closest word to that is "purdah" which literally means "barrier", and refers to a separation between the genders. Do you guys have a word for "gheerah" which in Arabic means "protective jealousy"?

i am not aware of such a term, but then I am not the guru of our orthodoxy. there are many things which i have yet to know or understand.

I'm always surprised at the great similarities between Islam and Orthodox Judaism. For example, you guys say "nabi" for Prophet, so do we; you guys say "shalom", we say "salam", etc.

yes, many many similar words; of course they are both semitic languages derived from the same proto-semitic language. yom = day. many similarities. well, there's no doubt that that hebrew-speakers and arabic-speakers are cousins.

[JiGGaMaN]

lets see if this is similar. If i said 'efo hasherutim?', what would your response be BuffedGuy?

[BuffedGuy]

i really wish more effort were given to such concepts as trying not to offend someone, but quite frankly in my personal experience, the Jews I've met just make sure they obey the laws and never much concerned about whether offense is given.

Well, perhaps Muslims are more worried about such things just because we're trying to live down the terrorist/extremist label.

well, a man and a woman must not be left alone in the same room.

Yes, we have the same law in Islam. Prophet Muhammad [s] told us that if an unmarried man and woman are alone in a room together, there are three people in the room: the man, the woman, and Satan.

let's say a man came by his friend's house to drop off a book or something, and only his wife is home. he probably would not enter, or might enter just into the entryway with the front door wide open.

Yeah, same here.

when i've been invited to meal at someone's home, often a girl will respond and pass to me a dish on the table but some of them would not. when a girl hands an object to you there is a moment of pull to make eye contact, to feel gratitude, and something even deeper just in the act of handing the item when both persons are holding.

Exactly the same. Like when two families meet, everyone will greet everyone, except the young men and young women won't greet each other. If the two families sit down together, the young men and young women will never address each other directly.

this extends to the rules for ritual impurity. when the woman is menstruating, and for seven days following the cessation of the menses, the husband himself must obey all of the rules of not touching, not accepting objects, not sleeping in same bed, etc, etc. after the time is over the wife dunks into the ritual bath and goes home to party with her husband....

Islam is a bit less strict on this matter. Men and women are forbidden to have sex during the menstrual period only (i.e. bleeding), but they are allowed to engage in foreplay and still sleep in the same bed. Everything but penetration. And yes, there is a ritual bath after the menses stop, and then they can again engage in vaginal sex. But they don't have to wait seven days after the cessation of the menses; rather, they can do it right after the menses stop and the woman takes a ritual bath. My question: wouldn't this prohibit sexual relations for a good deal of the month? If a woman has menses for 5-7 days, then another 7 days, that's half the month!

yes, many many similar words; of course they are both semitic languages derived from the same proto-semitic language. yom = day. many similarities. well, there's no doubt that that hebrew-speakers and arabic-speakers are cousins.

Yeah. And it all goes out the window when it comes to the Palestine-Israel issue, which causes cousins to slit each others' throats. Unfortunate.

[BuffedGuy]

lets see if this is similar. If i said 'efo hasherutim?', what would your response be BuffedGuy?

Haha, this one isn't even close. In Arabic, you would say: "Ayn dawret al meyah?" to ask where the restrooms are.

You speak Hebrew?