Some of you are kinda jerks...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

[scerpico22]

I'm posting this here so that people will actually read it, I guess I'll see how long it lasts...

I have been on here for something like a month and I have to say that I'm a little disappointed in some of the members.
It seems like the standard answer to any post questioning the wisdom of steroid doctrine is met with derision instead of explanation. All too frequently I see the answer "you're not ready for aas, so don't do them". I'm not sure how many of you remember when someone told you not to take steroids because they were dangerous - clearly none of us listened. My point is that telling someone on this board to just not do something is like telling kids not to have sex - it's gonna happen, all you can do is try to give them the tools to stay safe.
I think most of the senior members hearts are in the right place - they just want to keep the rookies safe, but maybe the approach is a scaring off more newbies than it is saving. And some of the individuals who like to ram advice down our throats are just gym-rat meatheads parroting what they have managed to crib from this site with absolutely no knowledge of the reasoning behind it. I'm only writing this because I am fed up with being talked to like I'm an idiot just because I want to know why. I'm college educated - I knew what HPTA was before I came to steroid.com! And I don't think that I am the only one.
What I would like you all to think about is more of an informed consent approach. The purpose of medical informed consent is to advise the patient of the risks, benefits, and alternatives to a given course of treatment. For example, if an individual wants advice on doing a cycle over 20% bf, why would it be so awful to advise him of higher risk of various side effects along with what he can do to control those sides and maybe cycle advice that fits his situation. Because telling him to kill himself to drop 8% is going to go in one ear and out the other. He sees huge guys in the gym and wants to get there now.
I know everyone has the idea that if they keep telling individuals to do more research, read more, wait to start cycling then their conscience can be clear if something bad happens. The reality is that we are dispensing medical advice on this site, whether it be for entertainment purposes or otherwise. As such, we have a responsibility to do a minimum of harm to the "patient". If the advice we are giving (or refusing to give) pushes someone to go it alone and just make something up then we are hurting that person more than if we had given the advice that was asked for, and you have to take the responsibility for that as well. This is why doctors learn medical ethics for 2 years.

I won't make any further replies to this post. Flame away as you see fit - but maybe take a minute to think about it first.

sounds like someone didnt get the answers they "wanted" to hear huh?

then to run off and not defend your post...thats a quite weak!

T-MOS said it best, its FREE advice on a FREE site...so you are FREE to go elsewhere. and from the sounds of it, it looks like you should.

[408gt91]

I'm glad to see these guys steer the young ones away from the juice and towards
a solid routine and diet first. Kids want instant gratification and dont wan't to work for anything and most ive seen come on here have no good workout routine or diet. First things first. I got lucky, Kinda. Went to prison 160lbs, learned how to work out and eat. came out 245lbs. Ten years later i'm 200lbs with a few cycles under my belt. And at least i didn't hit the juice before i knew what i was doing. I would have shut myself down when it wasn't needed.These kids need to grow as big as they can naturally first.So Right on! to all the guys getting flamed on here that give the right advice.

[higherdesire]

WTF is this, the-thread-of-many-long-posts?

Noob STFU and listen(read) for a while. I for one really don't care how you feel. If you ahng around long enough to learn something of value then great, but spouting off at the mouth because your mangina is bleeding has absolutley no bearing on your acceptance. So you don't like it huh? Are the guys being too hard on you? Ok men, straighten up and be nice.

[T-MOS]

what is funny is this thread is two pages long now and the OP has yet to come back to comment on any of our reasons for what we do here.

Kinda makes the OP's credibility SHOT along with his maturity level

[higherdesire]

he is curled up in a fetal position in a corner somehwere

[MMArmour]

"We have a responsibility to do minimal harm to a the patient"??

Ya the advice we give is medical in nature, I/we are not doctors.

I have no obligation other than to the rules of this board to say or do anything.

The story is always the same. Some asshole wants to gear up. he doesnt know how. wnats knowledge spoon fed to him. Why should I, or anyone else, give a shit?

This was a cry baby rant and part of the reason i spend more and more time away from this forum. Suck it up and grow a pair. We live in a time where grown men are mothered like little children simply because they lack the back bone to take an asschewing for their idiot mistakes in judgement and in action.

Cry baby cry

[NightWolf]

TEXT

Stats?

[Flagg]

I think the point has been made now, or is everyone going to carry on shouting Noob and STFU because of mob mentality for another two pages?

[RuhlFreak55]

Research before you ask= respect & constructive criticism.
No research before you ask= flaming & constructive criticism.

exactly.,...nuff said...thread should be over....Whenever i go to help out in the Steroid forum i see question upon question upon question that has been answered 100s of times on this site.....and those idiots deserve flaming....i don't deal well with idiots...

[ray0414]

what is funny is this thread is two pages long now and the OP has yet to come back to comment on any of our reasons for what we do here.

Kinda makes the OP's credibility SHOT along with his maturity level

he stated in the opening thread that he wasnt going to reply, probably cuase he knew what everyone was going to say, and my guess is hes mad cause he was told hes not ready.

[jimmyinkedup]

eh - yeah sometimes i can be a jerk. It gets frustrating if i spend too much time here...the same questions over and over - with no prior attempts at education.
I mean im glad people are here to give advice ...but do i think its prudent to stick a needle in my ass with whatever and however much some guy on an internet board says without any self education on the substance, side effects, etc.....No - i think its stupid. So i think its good people are directed to do some research on their own - educate themselves.
I think its great people who shouldn't yet jump on steroids are told that straight up - and they are told why. Then usually given direction by someone - because the one thing the OP said that is true - they prob will do it anyway.
I think its great that people are directed to diet/ workout section - because anyone that knows anything knows that those 2 factors are paramount along with adequate rest & recovery - with or without steroids - to make gains.
All in all - i think this is the prob the best internet board of its kind - you may not like what you hear ...but at the end of most threads - the truth and reality is usually pretty evident - whether you want to hear it or listen to it is up to you.

[jamyjamjr]

well said.....

[Bojangles69]

I'm posting this here so that people will actually read it, I guess I'll see how long it lasts...

I have been on here for something like a month and I have to say that I'm a little disappointed in some of the members.
It seems like the standard answer to any post questioning the wisdom of steroid doctrine is met with derision instead of explanation. All too frequently I see the answer "you're not ready for aas, so don't do them". I'm not sure how many of you remember when someone told you not to take steroids because they were dangerous - clearly none of us listened. My point is that telling someone on this board to just not do something is like telling kids not to have sex - it's gonna happen, all you can do is try to give them the tools to stay safe.I think most of the senior members hearts are in the right place - they just want to keep the rookies safe, but maybe the approach is a scaring off more newbies than it is saving. And some of the individuals who like to ram advice down our throats are just gym-rat meatheads parroting what they have managed to crib from this site with absolutely no knowledge of the reasoning behind it. I'm only writing this because I am fed up with being talked to like I'm an idiot just because I want to know why. I'm college educated - I knew what HPTA was before I came to steroid.com! And I don't think that I am the only one.
What I would like you all to think about is more of an informed consent approach. The purpose of medical informed consent is to advise the patient of the risks, benefits, and alternatives to a given course of treatment. For example, if an individual wants advice on doing a cycle over 20% bf, why would it be so awful to advise him of higher risk of various side effects along with what he can do to control those sides and maybe cycle advice that fits his situation. Because telling him to kill himself to drop 8% is going to go in one ear and out the other. He sees huge guys in the gym and wants to get there now.
I know everyone has the idea that if they keep telling individuals to do more research, read more, wait to start cycling then their conscience can be clear if something bad happens. The reality is that we are dispensing medical advice on this site, whether it be for entertainment purposes or otherwise. As such, we have a responsibility to do a minimum of harm to the "patient". If the advice we are giving (or refusing to give) pushes someone to go it alone and just make something up then we are hurting that person more than if we had given the advice that was asked for, and you have to take the responsibility for that as well. This is why doctors learn medical ethics for 2 years.

I won't make any further replies to this post. Flame away as you see fit - but maybe take a minute to think about it first.

That entire reason in itself validates nearly any negative response from a vet.

For the simple fact that even if we DON'T say "you're not ready for aas" and we say something else more useful like "change this specific detail in your routine" that doesn't change a newbies reaction at all.

Like this:
vet: "newbie, you're not ready for steroids"
newbie: "great, I'm doing it anyway".

then:
vet: "newbie, you are ready for steroids, just stop doing _____ because its ____ and you need to ____ (w/e advice we give)
newbie: "great, but I don't aggree so I'm still gonna do it exactly that way I want".

So under this perspective, a vets behavoir loses significance by the nature of a newbie who will wind up doing w/e the fvck they want despite what a vet says, useful OR useless.
So in the end, it doesn't really matter, and vets responding in a way you dislike is really just a vet who understands it doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

[DSM4Life]

There are such things as stupid questions and we get a lot of them here.

[Spartan ^]

I have been welcomed and treated pretty fair IMO. I dont always liek what i hear but i take it and use it. Looks like Test Pilot is just a little drama queen. Since we wouldnt tell him what he couldve looked up and researched himself, he gets his panties in a wad. I look at it like if he didnt want to do the work to learn about aas, he wouldnt do the work it takes to get the benefits of ass...

Probably just a punk ass spoiled little nerdy kid who wants to impress the head cheerleader on spring break!

[Bojangles69]

What confused me is that he admitted the fact that a newbie is going to do what a newbie wants to do regardless of what we say, but then the whole thread was based around WHAT WE SAY.

Under his own pretense he argued himself out of his own arguement.., he admitted what we say isn't significant, but then he tried to make it significant after the fact of admitting it isn't.. which doesn't make a lot of sense imo

[DSM4Life]

[Spartan ^]

nice......

[Brown Ninja]

Would you recommend a deca only cycle?

[Brown Ninja]

oh yeah, I'm 5'7'' and 135 lbs at 25% Bodyfat

[higherdesire]

^^^^Yes go for it.

[T-MOS]

he stated in the opening thread that he wasnt going to reply, probably cuase he knew what everyone was going to say, and my guess is hes mad cause he was told hes not ready.

yea, i know he stated he was running away from his thread, but I was hoping after he saw that some of us were trying to give him honest explanations and not just flame him, that maybe he would be willing to converse about it and maybe resolve the misunderstandings

oh well

[Brown Ninja]

In all honesty we have been there before and I think most of us would agree that we deserved the abuse. I know I did. If you come here looking for advice what do you really expect? It's not our job to hook you up with a cycle. Most of us have spent countless hours reasearching so it's a bit of a slap in the face when some one comes on here asking for us to do the work for them and then not being willing to take advice.

[Brown Ninja]

so Tren only???

[T-MOS]

so Tren only???

I was thinking of a dbol winny 12 week cycle?? what do you think?

[IM708]

I was thinking of a dbol winny 12 week cycle?? what do you think?

eat a lot of pretzels and cheese and you're all set. injecting makes even better results

[Bojangles69]

Yes.. injectable cheese is extremely anabolic . =]

[T-MOS]

Yes.. injectable cheese is extremely anabolic. =]

can you give me a source for cheese whiz please???? I already started my cycle and want to add this now

[higherdesire]

TMOS, no source checks bro, read the rules

[T-MOS]

TMOS, no source checks bro, read the rules

damnnnnnnn I just want a source, I am NOT LE or anything, why can't you just tell me where i can get it???....LOLOLOLOL


you guys are all jerks

[scerpico22]

can i drink winny?

[Bojangles69]

can you give me a source for cheese whiz please???? I already started my cycle and want to add this now

I'm sorry, you are not ready for anabolic cheese wizz.
lmao

[T-MOS]

I'm sorry, you are not ready for anabolic cheese wizz.
lmao

but i'm gonna do it anyway no matter what you say so just tell me where to get it and how much to take

[higherdesire]

^^yeah hey TMOS hows about posting some friggin stats first eh?

[higherdesire]

OOOH we have a visitor

Hello there TEST PILOT, we see you lurking!! Come on in the water is warm...

[scerpico22]

i gotta say...after reading all the posts on this thread...a lot of you guys a kinda jerks!

LOL.........

[scerpico22]

test pilot....i see you...

[T-MOS]

^^yeah hey TMOS hows about posting some friggin stats first eh?

18 1/2
5'6"
275 lbs
32% bf
no diet yet
no weights or cardio.....i just don't like that kind of stuff

whats PCT, do I need it, is it really important, i think I can get that from GNC right

my goals are to look good by next week so the girls of "girls gone wild" spring break edition will want me

[higherdesire]

^^^you are going to need to drink your gear to reach your goals