What causes pump?

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 08:20 AM

How come sometimes i get a sick pump at the gym and sometimes i almost get nothing? i hate that feeling so i figured i will ask for i can change what ever im doing wrong

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 02:05 PM

pump has nothing to do with muscle gains(with one exception), all a pump is is the accumulation of blood in a muscle do to repetitive contration, if you want to get a great pump, then incorporate a pump set and make it work for you

here's how to make a pump work for you

i read a study that proposed greater gains from incorporating sets in your workout that were designed to force excessive amounts of blood into the targeted muscle group, thus stretching the facia of the muscle tissue and allowing more room for growth

we all know that HGH is the only thing that can create new muscle fibers(working out just creates bigger muscle fibers), but what happens when you start to get to the point where your facia can no longer hold the muscle that is in it?

your gains will start to slow, so this study proposed that by adding a set of 20-25 reps on the end of an exercise and forcing huge volumes of blood into the muscle, we could create new room for growth, and thus more potential for growth

double drop sets and such also work well for this

**ni4ni** · 06-20-2009, 02:07 PM

Phate= one smart mo fo!!

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by ni4ni

Phate= one smart mo fo!!

i'm gonna have musclescience double check this to be sure though

**ni4ni** · 06-20-2009, 02:13 PM

it sounded good even IF you are wrong

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by ni4ni

it sounded good even IF you are wrong

well i am a college student, ergo i am working towards getting a BS in BS

**ni4ni** · 06-20-2009, 02:15 PM

lmao
you are doing a fine fuvking job then

**Nicotine** · 06-20-2009, 02:15 PM

what i found works for ME, was trying not to just speed thru each rep.

i dropped a few lbs of my weights a while back, fixed a lot of form, and slowed down the control for the whole motion. slow up slow down, etc...not like..SLOW, but consistant without trying to look like a hero.

i found if i do reps too fast, i was using gravity and momentum to do the work, rather than my body.

**Dancer** · 06-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

well i am a college student, ergo i am working towards getting a BS in BS

That is a great suggestion and makes all the sence in the world thanks bro.

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Nicotine

what i found works for ME, was trying not to just speed thru each rep.

i dropped a few lbs of my weights a while back, fixed a lot of form, and slowed down the control for the whole motion. slow up slow down, etc...not like..SLOW, but consistant without trying to look like a hero.

i found if i do reps too fast, i was using gravity and momentum to do the work, rather than my body.

i forgot to add that the point of the pump set is dropping the weight and focusing on mind-muscle connection forcing blood in

**ni4ni** · 06-20-2009, 02:19 PM

OK-now your on the edge- mind-muscle connection?

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by ni4ni

OK-now your on the edge- mind-muscle connection?

you've never heard of it?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_80309866/

**ni4ni** · 06-20-2009, 02:21 PM

well well...i apologize
didn't know that's what it was called

**DSM4Life** · 06-20-2009, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

pump has nothing to do with muscle gains(with one exception), all a pump is is the accumulation of blood in a muscle do to repetitive contration, if you want to get a great pump, then incorporate a pump set and make it work for you

here's how to make a pump work for you

i read a study that proposed greater gains from incorporating sets in your workout that were designed to force excessive amounts of blood into the targeted muscle group, thus stretching the facia of the muscle tissue and allowing more room for growth

we all know that HGH is the only thing that can create new muscle fibers(working out just creates bigger muscle fibers), but what happens when you start to get to the point where your facia can no longer hold the muscle that is in it?

your gains will start to slow, so this study proposed that by adding a set of 20-25 reps on the end of an exercise and forcing huge volumes of blood into the muscle, we could create new room for growth, and thus more potential for growth

double drop sets and such also work well for this

Not sure if i believe it (my opinion). We all know muscle growth is the breaking down of the fibers. Unless if forcing so much blood in the muscle will break down fibers then i don't buy what was posted.

**Andro9** · 06-20-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Not sure if i believe it (my opinion). We all know muscle growth is the breaking down of the fibers. Unless if forcing so much blood in the muscle will break down fibers then i don't buy what was posted.

took the words outta my mouth

**Matt** · 06-20-2009, 02:37 PM

I know what a bicycle pump is.....

**DSM4Life** · 06-20-2009, 02:40 PM

**sizerp** · 06-20-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Not sure if i believe it (my opinion). We all know muscle growth is the breaking down of the fibers. Unless if forcing so much blood in the muscle will break down fibers then i don't buy what was posted.

It's basically saying stretching the facia will allow for more room for growth. It is logical, and I am no scientist - however, it's like saying that if you had 2 atheletes. A and B:

Both atheletes work the same regimen, eat the same diet, and have similar genetics. However, athelete A stretches 4 times daily - Once upon waking up, once Pre and PWO, and once before bed. Now, athelete B doesn't stretch at all. Who do you think makes more noticable gains?

When you stretch your "muscles", you're stretching the same facia that gets stretched through these pumps we're discussing. So if Phate is correct, extreme pumps may actually allow for more growth?

However, when you grow it's usually outside the gym. So maybe continuosly stretching will allow for a greater overall flexibility in the facia - in turn allowing for easier growth to occur when repair time comes?

Just some thoughts.

**Phate** · 06-20-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by sizerp

It's basically saying stretching the facia will allow for more room for growth. It is logical, and I am no scientist - however, it's like saying that if you had 2 atheletes. A and B:

Both atheletes work the same regimen, eat the same diet, and have similar genetics. However, athelete A stretches 4 times daily - Once upon waking up, once Pre and PWO, and once before bed. Now, athelete B doesn't stretch at all. Who do you think makes more noticable gains?

When you stretch your "muscles", you're stretching the same facia that gets stretched through these pumps we're discussing. So if Phate is correct, extreme pumps may actually allow for more growth?

However, when you grow it's usually outside the gym. So maybe continuosly stretching will allow for a greater overall flexibility in the facia - in turn allowing for easier growth to occur when repair time comes?

Just some thoughts.

that's what i'm getting at

let me clarify for DSM so there's no misunderstanding, i don't mean to say that forcing blood in will make muscles bigger directly, i'm saying that doing a hard pump set will stretch the facia, giving the muscles more room to grow, it's an indirect approach

***RAGE*** · 06-20-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

pump has nothing to do with muscle gains(with one exception), all a pump is is the accumulation of blood in a muscle do to repetitive contration, if you want to get a great pump, then incorporate a pump set and make it work for you

here's how to make a pump work for you

i read a study that proposed greater gains from incorporating sets in your workout that were designed to force excessive amounts of blood into the targeted muscle group, thus stretching the facia of the muscle tissue and allowing more room for growth

we all know that HGH is the only thing that can create new muscle fibers(working out just creates bigger muscle fibers), but what happens when you start to get to the point where your facia can no longer hold the muscle that is in it?

your gains will start to slow, so this study proposed that by adding a set of 20-25 reps on the end of an exercise and forcing huge volumes of blood into the muscle, we could create new room for growth, and thus more potential for growth

double drop sets and such also work well for this

shit and I just though it was lifting weights.

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 05:04 PM

lol, I love how someone has to put something funny in all my threads lol. Awsome info everyone i will try few new things next week and see if i feel a diff

***RAGE*** · 06-20-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

lol, I love how someone has to put something funny in all my threads lol. Awsome info everyone i will try few new things next week and see if i feel a diff

God bless the lounge bro...

**Dont wanna be old** · 06-20-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

How come sometimes i get a sick pump at the gym and sometimes i almost get nothing? i hate that feeling so i figured i will ask for i can change what ever im doing wrong

I don't know if you tryed any OTC supplements . Vandryl sulfate was the first supplement in the 80's that actually did something . Really didn't add muscle , but made you vascular and crazy pumps . I tried with creatine once that was introduced . Was like 1 + 1 = 3 . Now they have all sorta nos supplements .
Anyway , check out the VS for like 15 bucks for 2 months supply . You might feel like guy who's arms exploded .

**Hoggage_54** · 06-20-2009, 06:01 PM

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by dontwannabold

I don't know if you tryed any OTC supplements . Vandryl sulfate was the first supplement in the 80's that actually did something . Really didn't add muscle , but made you vascular and crazy pumps . I tried with creatine once that was introduced . Was like 1 + 1 = 3 . Now they have all sorta nos supplements .
Anyway , check out the VS for like 15 bucks for 2 months supply . You might feel like guy who's arms exploded .

NICE im about to google it and see what store i can get it at, and hopefully tomm some of it will be in my system lol

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Hoggage_54

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH and AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH..ok. I dont need that pump yet im still young!

**MuscleScience** · 06-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

i'm gonna have musclescience double check this to be sure though

A quick search could have saved you a little time...

muscle pump question

**jbm** · 06-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

pump has nothing to do with muscle gains(with one exception), all a pump is is the accumulation of blood in a muscle do to repetitive contration, if you want to get a great pump, then incorporate a pump set and make it work for you

here's how to make a pump work for you

i read a study that proposed greater gains from incorporating sets in your workout that were designed to force excessive amounts of blood into the targeted muscle group, thus stretching the facia of the muscle tissue and allowing more room for growth

we all know that HGH is the only thing that can create new muscle fibers(working out just creates bigger muscle fibers), but what happens when you start to get to the point where your facia can no longer hold the muscle that is in it?

your gains will start to slow, so this study proposed that by adding a set of 20-25 reps on the end of an exercise and forcing huge volumes of blood into the muscle, we could create new room for growth, and thus more potential for growth

double drop sets and such also work well for this

would this cause overtraining?

**jbm** · 06-20-2009, 08:48 PM

**DDDNTZ** · 06-20-2009, 09:03 PM

Also from my experience how goodof a pump you get depends on what your diet was for the day. I have found that on days I dont eat like I should i.e. not getting in enough protein and carbs (when bulking) the pumps I get are just weak. But when my diet is right on for the day the pumps I get are always better. This is assuming your routine and form are in check. Also like Nicotine said when you controll the weight and do the contractions a little slower rather than doing fast reps it makes a huge difference

**jbm** · 06-20-2009, 09:23 PM

we keep on pumping!

**Polska** · 06-21-2009, 12:24 AM

For me what causes a great pump is carbohydrates or the presence of insulin . Take a few IUs of insulin before a workout (not recommended for slin newbies) and sip on a BCAA/Glucose drink throughout and your muscles will feel like they want to tear through your skin. When glycogen stores are full I feel a much fuller, better pump in the gym. And you have to be well hydrated as well.

**Polska** · 06-21-2009, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Polska

For me what causes a great pump is carbohydrates or the presence of insulin. Take a few IUs of insulin before a workout (not recommended for slin newbies) and sip on a BCAA/Glucose drink throughout and your muscles will feel like they want to tear through your skin. When glycogen stores are full I feel a much fuller, better pump in the gym. And you have to be well hydrated as well.

Just wanted to add that a mixture of high/moderate GI and low GI carbs with a small amount of fat about an hour before a workout will have a similar effect on intra workout muscle pumps. You basically do not want to be carb deplated and/or dehydrated if you want a good pump