Your kids juicing

[HORSE]

I'm out, not going to entertain his ignorance anymore. He has a way of ruining every thread he enters and it's unfortunate to the OP.

I am out as well, I just don't have the patience for bickering back and fourth with clueless kid's that think they know it all....

[seriousmass]

lol your avi looks like a piece of chicken i just ate lol

Straight up, post a picture of yourself then.

I'd like to see how we compare.

[KatsMeow]

You lack the intelligence to entertain my time, it's not worth having any sort of "conversation" with you, since you have this "I"m always right" mentality. You have a lot of growing up to do.

[Matt]

To say that female bbers who use steroids have mental issues is just wrong imo...

[UncleD]

Straight up, post a picture of yourself then.

I'd like to see how we compare.

isnt chicken all muscle?? damm your pissed huh.. cant take a compliment?? did a bear drink all your beer?? awww

[UncleD]

You lack the intelligence to entertain my time, it's not worth having any sort of "conversation" with you, since you have this "I"m always right" mentality. You have a lot of growing up to do.

you nailed it right there..its like talkin to mike tyson after a fight lol

[*RAGE*]

we're talking about steroids and women. since you have nothing useful to contribute as usual, just leave.

I was talking about a women, you bitch....

[Immortal Soldier]

Dear lord what happened to this thread, I went to go eat and watch a little tv and Kat and Serious decide to see who can anally saute the other one first.

The point here is, point blank whether its a male or female bodybuilder or fitness, it all comes down to self-esteem and mental security. Either gender who over sensationalizes or goes to the brink (males who want to be Mr. Olympia and females that strive for the same or those who strive for "fitness" caliber body) all have insecurities in that area. Bodybuilding and Fitness in general is for those who have insecurities in their own image or themselves. There is a line of normalcy, once that is crossed into bodybuilding or for some women fitness caliber bodies, then the psychological psyche of that person is under stress.

Some may not agree with that logic, but its prevalent all on this board. People who think they are small when they are in fact huge (T-Mos for example lol) just goes to show that insecurities is a huge factor that drives those involved in bodybuilding whether professionally or for those who just want to be big. Bodybuilding and bigorexia (muscle dysmorphia) go together like Sunday and Church. Documentaries on bodybuilding haven proven this, former bodybuilders have confirmed this, this is nothing new or shocking.

A person who decides to use steroids , whether or not male or female, shows vulnerabilities in the psyche where the person is willing to take risks to ones health to satisfy the image the mind thinks is "great" or will give them "peace". The severity of this can vary from minimal to extreme, there are those who use steroids as tools (intellectually/safely) to achieve what they perceive as the pinnacle of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and there are those who abuse to feed the hunger of psyche that will never truly be satisfied. Then there are those in between. Subconsciously or in the forefront of a person's mind, it doesn't matter, insecurities/hunger/psyche is an important factor to what drives those into bodybuilding and onto anabolic steroids.

[seriousmass]

Dear lord what happened to this thread, I went to go eat and watch a little tv and Kat and Serious decide to see who can anally saute the other one first.

The point here is, point blank whether its a male or female bodybuilder or fitness, it all comes down to self-esteem and mental security. Either gender who over sensationalizes or goes to the brink (males who want to be Mr. Olympia and females that strive for the same or those who strive for "fitness" caliber body) all have insecurities in that area. Bodybuilding and Fitness in general is for those who have insecurities in their own image or themselves. There is a line of normalcy, once that is crossed into bodybuilding or for some women fitness caliber bodies, then the psychological psyche of that person is under stress.

Some may not agree with that logic, but its prevalent all on this board. People who think they are small when they are in fact huge (T-Mos for example lol) just goes to show that insecurities is a huge factor that drives those involved in bodybuilding whether professionally or for those who just want to be big. Bodybuilding and bigorexia (muscle dysmorphia) go together like Sunday and Church. Documentaries on bodybuilding haven proven this, former bodybuilders have confirmed this, this is nothing new or shocking.

A person who decides to use steroids, whether or not male or female, shows vulnerabilities in the psyche where the person is willing to take risks to ones health to satisfy the image the mind thinks is "great" or will give them "peace". The severity of this can vary from minimal to extreme, there are those who use steroids as tools (intellectually/safely) to achieve what they perceive as the pinnacle of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and there are those who abuse to feed the hunger of psyche that will never truly be satisfied. Then there are those in between. Subconsciously or in the forefront of a person's mind, it doesn't matter, insecurities/hunger/psyche is an important factor to what drives those into bodybuilding and onto anabolic steroids.

Honestly bro, I know we but-heads together a lot... but seriously you should be a writer. Very.. well said.

You have an excellent tone to your writing.. you should consider journalism..

[Immortal Soldier]

Honestly bro, I know we but-heads together a lot... but seriously you should be a writer. Very.. well said.

You have an excellent tone to your writing.. you should consider journalism..

Thank You

[ajweb]

Yeah this thread got way off the course i intended...I just thought it would be interesting to see how guys would handle their kids juicing (their sons particularly) I just thought it was interesting that my friend while indicating some concern, also seemed to very proud about what a beast his son had become..

[ranging1]

irrelevant of what people think
women who use anabolic steroids do at their own decision and risk
clena nd t3 arent anabolics so theirs nothing worng with them

if they take anavar or maybe winstol then thats their decision
i personally dont think they should, not because of health reasons,
but as i like a naturally lean or curved women without large ripped muscles, id rather they just be women hahahahah


IMO i dont think a women should EVER take something like testerome
1. i dont think many men are attracted to a women who have used alot of test, as im sure their physique and side would show it

2. ur a women, ur not meant to have huge levels of test, ur meant to be nice curvy, attractive

HOWEVER im not saying they cant or shouldnt, thats my opinion as i dont find a muscly women attractive and therefore dont see a reason why women would use test

BUT at the same time we can look at people like ronnie coleman and jay cutler who are just MAMMOTHS and im sure there are few women out their who would find their size attractive
however both these men are idols to us all because what they endure and strive and go through to acheive what they have
BOTH these men would use enourmous amounts of test
they dont use test anymore for looks
they use it for competion and size
they dont care about how many women find them attractive, they care about being the biggest, leanest and scariest

so if women choose to use test for what ever reasons they do, they they have the right to
though IMO they shouldnt

TRY to remember, some people are against women using test, others are against illict drug use such as MDMA, cocaine or marijuana
others strongly dont agree with the use of DNP
HELL people still argue whats the best diet ratio

its ur own personal opinion

if a women chooses to use test its her own desecion, just like its a teenager decision to smoke pot or take MDMA

[feeldapump89]

If you have a daughter that wants to do steroids, you have failed as a parent.

haha well said!

[energizer bunny]

I think parenting only goes so far, my sister and I were raised the same exact way...she has made horrible life choices, I on the other hand have been meticulous about my next step in life.

And no, I'm not into the female body builder look what so ever, I'm more into the figure and fitness girls physic. But to generalize "women who use steroids are gender confused" is a blanket statement and women can use Anavar in moderation to enhance their bodies without turning into men.

I also agree 100%.....

[wharton]

Not necessarily... I think it could be one of two things

a.) from a psychological perspective, perhaps the parents didn't bring her up "well" enough. Perhaps, they didn't give her enough attention, or made her feel inferior.

b.) Perhaps the girl is confused with her gender identity. Because by taking steroids , she is basically going to turn herself into a hermaphrodite (not really, but you know what I mean right?)

My first answer can be correlated to the parents. However, for part B, that's all genetics. Homosexuality / sexual-preference is innate.

This is so narrow minded, var and winstrol are steroids they will both cause deepening of the voice, hair growth and clit enlargement depends on the dose so your other statement about not talking about var&wini is incorrect, also To attack all women bodybuilders of this sport while you are a member of a steroid board is just suicidal everyone on here has thought about juicing or does take some form of steroids some have kids to who take steroids. I'm sure a lot of people are offended at your comment.

[The Deuce]

BY THE END OF READING THIS I HAD TO LITERALLY SCAN BACK UP AND SEE WHAT THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD WAS !!!!!


Wow...



Ok my answer to the OP !!


If my SON chose to Juice at an appropriate age to do so, I would offer him my advice and help him along APPROPRIATELY.... At some point he wiill know that DADDY isn't all natural... even though I will tell him that while he is in his younger Years... Hard work and dedication SON thats all ya need..

Yah but seriously.. if my DAUGHTERS wanted to use VAR for vanity purposes Id probably slap them.. CLEN ya I would let them rip into as long as they knew the sides.. Test and any derivative of TEST if they wanted to use it .. it would be without my consent, I would not consider it an option... id be pissed.. and UNLESS. and this is a BIG unless UNLESS they really wanted to be a FEMALE BBer then I would consider it... only then or if they wanted to do GENDER Reassignment surgery.. which I highly doubt but nowadays ya never ever know.. the world gets odder and odder everyday... im sure the parents of some of the daughters who underwent this path NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS THOUGHT THEIR LITTLE GIRL WOULD WANNA GENDER REASSIGN TO BE A MAN.. SO SH1T HAPPENS....

So yah, SON is a Go after age 25

Daughters are a NO No UNLESS under special UNFORESEEN circumstances...


That's my stand...


That's my opinion...


Take it or leave it.

[Shurik]

lol your avi looks like a piece of chicken i just ate lol

LMAO!!! Wow. I busted out laughing so hard at work that everyone started looking at me. I couldn't help it.

[Alphatier]

This is so narrow minded, Judging by your avatar you have no experience using steroids anyway since my sister is probably bigger than you naturally, so how you can give any statement about steroids is beyond me. Also var and winstrol are steroids they will both cause deepening of the voice, hair growth and clit enlargement depends on the dose so your other statement about not talking about var&wini is incorrect, also To attack all women bodybuilders of this sport while you are a member of a steroid board is just suicidal everyone on here has thought about juicing or does take some form of steroids some have kids to who take steroids. I'm sure a lot of people are offended at your comment.

Maybe it's somewhat narrow-minded, just giving the situation 2 options/situations.

However, I think seriousmass made some good points.

He first mentioned the parents not giving her enough attention, and I believe that low self-esteem can be a reason to consider gear. Hell, I'm pretty sure a lot of members on here love the feeling of being on because they have more confidence as compared to their low self-esteem when their off.

Secondly, I also think that some female bbers might be confused about their gender/sexuality. I mean, have you ever seen androgenic sides on women? It's disgusting IMO.

Anyways, people around here need to get of seriousmass' back. Sure, he might have started juicing a little early and everything, but that's not a reason to flame the shit out of him every time he posts on a thread. I thought we had a No-Flaming policy on this board? And just because he doesn't always agree with the Vets/Mods it doesn't mean he's stupid or ignorant about a certain subject. He just has his own opinion. People around here need to stop parroting whatever the mods/vets say. I'm not saying vets/mods don't know their shit, they certainly do, but people tend to take whatever vets/mods say and consider it to be the bible.

To seriousmass, I think you look good, and when I compare pics of your first cycle log to the new ones then I have to say you made some very good gains.

[seriousmass]

Maybe it's somewhat narrow-minded, just giving the situation 2 options/situations.

However, I think seriousmass made some good points.

He first mentioned the parents not giving her enough attention, and I believe that low self-esteem can be a reason to consider gear. Hell, I'm pretty sure a lot of members on here love the feeling of being on because they have more confidence as compared to their low self-esteem when their off.

Secondly, I also think that some female bbers might be confused about their gender/sexuality. I mean, have you ever seen androgenic sides on women? It's disgusting IMO.

Anyways, people around here need to get of seriousmass' back. Sure, he might have started juicing a little early and everything, but that's not a reason to flame the shit out of him every time he posts on a thread. I thought we had a No-Flaming policy on this board? And just because he doesn't always agree with the Vets/Mods it doesn't mean he's stupid or ignorant about a certain subject. He just has his own opinion. People around here need to stop parroting whatever the mods/vets say. I'm not saying vets/mods don't know their shit, they certainly do, but people tend to take whatever vets/mods say and consider it to be the bible.

To seriousmass, I think you look good, and when I compare pics of your first cycle log to the new ones then I have to say you made some very good gains.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

It's sad because I used to come to this site for encouragement, etc... now I basically just sign on to defend myself.

The only reason it all started was because I got called out by about 100 people telling me how "pinner" etc I am.... so in response I uploaded new pictures, told EVERYONE how I achieved those gains (which was none of your business -- but you guys are persistent)... and then proceeded to flame the guys who called me "pinner" for having terrible stats themselves, yet they still give advise EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I honestly hate the crap I take. I know I acted immaturely in the past, but the grief I take on this site is ridiculous.

This thread is a perfect example of how I just state my opinion and instantly get flamed. I never made discriminatory or immature comments, whatsoever, I actually tried to act accordingly, and even gave my perspective from a psychological stance. Basically, KatsMeow incited the whole argument, and then just left, leaving me to be the scape-goat. It's insane how terrible favoritism on this site has gotten.

[energizer bunny]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

It's sad because I used to come to this site for encouragement, etc... now I basically just sign on to defend myself.

The only reason it all started was because I got called out by about 100 people telling me how "pinner" etc I am.... so in response I uploaded new pictures, told EVERYONE how I achieved those gains (which was none of your business -- but you guys are persistent)... and then proceeded to flame the guys who called me "pinner" for having terrible stats themselves, yet they still give advise EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I honestly hate the crap I take. I know I acted immaturely in the past, but the grief I take on this site is ridiculous.

This thread is a perfect example of how I just state my opinion and instantly get flamed. I never made discriminatory or immature comments, whatsoever, I actually tried to act accordingly, and even gave my perspective from a psychological stance. Basically, KatsMeow incited the whole argument, and then just left, leaving me to be the scape-goat. It's insane how terrible favoritism on this site has gotten.

Hey man i wouldnt worry to much........its the internet....you seem to give as good as you get...but name calling and flaming should be left out unless its in jest.IMO

[seriousmass]

I forgot to mention... I completely agree with that part I bolded ^^.... it's a sad day when people choose to blindly follow the word of VETS without establishing their own research / beliefs on the topic.

Every single person on here knows with VET I hate / continue to disagree with constantly. It's no secret. However, I think it's pathetic that all his "cyber-friends" feel the need to attack me in place of him.

[seriousmass]

Hey man i wouldnt worry to much........its the internet....you seem to give as good as you get...but name calling and flaming should be left out unless its in jest.IMO

That's true. However, the problem still persists. This is a little community that's been established here, and for some reason or another, some users believe they have the right to decide who comes and goes on here.

If anyone wants to see examples of this, go to my visitor post wall, and check out some of the comments Prone2Rage has left me in the last month. (T-MOS's best online friend). LOL it's laughable.

Not to mention the fact that he PM's me constantly, and tries to threaten me "oh I've got your IP address now, I'm going to post it all over the web"

... I dunno I'll leave it at that... just wanted to get a couple of things off my chest... once again LeanNmean, thank you. It's nice to finally here a compliment.

[Alphatier]

That's true. However, the problem still persists. This is a little community that's been established here, and for some reason or another, some users believe they have the right to decide who comes and goes on here.

If anyone wants to see examples of this, go to my visitor post wall, and check out some of the comments Prone2Rage has left me in the last month. (T-MOS's best online friend). LOL it's laughable.

Not to mention the fact that he PM's me constantly, and tries to threaten me "oh I've got your IP address now, I'm going to post it all over the web"

... I dunno I'll leave it at that... just wanted to get a couple of things off my chest... once again LeanNmean, thank you. It's nice to finally here a compliment.

No problem brother.

This shit has been going on for too long now, and I just thought it needs to be put out there.

I totally agree with you on the community part. The thing is, which ever user licks the Vets'/Mods' ass has the bigger chances of being appreciated on this board. Sad but True.

I really hope that part about prone threatening you was a joke, because if not that'd be pretty messed up. PEOPLE.....IT'S THE FVCKING INTERNET!!!

People should stop being scared of disagreeing with Vets/Mods, and start stating their own opinion. Who cares if a certain Vet or Mod dislikes you? As long as you're not giving dangerous advice or flame the hell out of everybody you should have no worries about being banned. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

[energizer bunny]

That's true. However, the problem still persists. This is a little community that's been established here, and for some reason or another, some users believe they have the right to decide who comes and goes on here.

If anyone wants to see examples of this, go to my visitor post wall, and check out some of the comments Prone2Rage has left me in the last month. (T-MOS's best online friend). LOL it's laughable.

Not to mention the fact that he PM's me constantly, and tries to threaten me "oh I've got your IP address now, I'm going to post it all over the web"
... I dunno I'll leave it at that... just wanted to get a couple of things off my chest... once again LeanNmean, thank you. It's nice to finally here a compliment.

Thats against the rules of the forum..hed be banned if he did that....

[seriousmass]

No problem brother.

This shit has been going on for too long now, and I just thought it needs to be put out there.

I totally agree with you on the community part. The thing is, which ever user licks the Vets'/Mods' ass has the bigger chances of being appreciated on this board. Sad but True.

I really hope that part about prone threatening you was a joke, because if not that'd be pretty messed up. PEOPLE.....IT'S THE FVCKING INTERNET!!!

People should stop being scared of disagreeing with Vets/Mods, and start stating their own opinion. Who cares if a certain Vet or Mod dislikes you? As long as you're not giving dangerous advice or flame the hell out of everybody you should have no worries about being banned. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

I wasn't joking. Totally happened.

And I agree, I'm not scared to stand up to T-MOS, etc. I think there advice is bullsh*t 90% of the time. For some reason he just can't seem to comprehend that THE VAST MAJORITY of people on here are looking to obtain quality mass, and retain a functional weight. They are not looking to get to 220 pounds naturally, and then juice to 250 pounds. MOST OF US WORK IN AN OFFICE / GO TO SCHOOL..... we DO NOT want to be f*cking silverback gorilla's.

Thats against the rules of the forum..hed be banned if he did that....

... I realize that's against the rules. I've even complained to ADMIN in the past, but to no avail. Prone has been here much longer then me, and therefore I believe he has preference. It's sad, but true.

Here's exactly what the PM said to me:

Title: I've got your I.P. address

Subject: "LMAO, I got your IP address and it will be sent out lmao..hahahahahahha this is going to be good.."

^^ pretty cool hey?

[energizer bunny]

^^^^^^^^not really...sounds pretty petty to me....people need to realise this is the internet..

But i will say that i dont think 90% of T-Mos info is bullshit..i think hes a very experienced guy and knows what he is on about..

it seems to me that you and T-mos really dont get along....yous should put each other on ignore and never cross paths again...lol

[seriousmass]

^^^^^^^^not really...sounds pretty petty to me....people need to realise this is the internet..

But i will say that i dont think 90% of T-Mos info is bullshit..i think hes a very experienced guy and knows what he is on about..

it seems to me that you and T-mos really dont get along....yous should put each other on ignore and never cross paths again...lol

hahaha... will do. anyways, i'll leave it at that.

have a good one bro.

[Matt]

I wasn't joking. Totally happened.

And I agree, I'm not scared to stand up to T-MOS, etc. I think there advice is bullsh*t 90% of the time. For some reason he just can't seem to comprehend that THE VAST MAJORITY of people on here are looking to obtain quality mass, and retain a functional weight. They are not looking to get to 220 pounds naturally, and then juice to 250 pounds.

You see this is where you fall down.

This is the way i see it, but i may have it wrong. People come on here wanting to cycle, they have no idea how to eat and see steroids as an easy option to gain weight/muscle. We go back to the magic pill theory.

So when some guy comes on telling us that he is 160 lbs and 5'10 and his diet is good you have to dought it. You then ask him to post his diet and sure enough its total crap.

Now T-Mos, Marcus, Big and PT will then tell this guy to correct his diet and run with it. Imo thats the best advice that this person can recieve, and im sure most people would agree. They've been giving out this advice for years here on this board.

Now you come along (you joined the same time as me), and think that its better to tell the same person to go and cycle, or advise him on a cycle. You give out advice before knowing anything about the person.

So you go against everything that most sane people believe and against the above mentioned mods beliefs. Then you wonder why people on here dont respect you...

This is how i see it, please correct me if you think im wrong....

As for getting up the ass of a mod, then your doing a good job with BG...

[seriousmass]

You see this is where you fall down.

This is the way i see it, but i may have it wrong. People come on here wanting to cycle, they have no idea how to eat and see steroids as an easy option to gain weight/muscle. We go back to the magic pill theory.

So when some guy comes on telling us that he is 160 lbs and 5'10 and his diet is good you have to dought it. You then ask him to post his diet and sure enough its total crap.

Now T-Mos, Marcus, Big and PT will then tell this guy to correct his diet and run with it. Imo thats the best advice that this person can recieve, and im sure most people would agree. They've been giving out this advice for years here on this board.

Now you come along (you joined the same time as me), and think that its better to tell the same person to go and cycle, or advise him on a cycle. You give out advice before knowing anything about the person.

So you go against everything that most sane people believe and against the above mentioned mods beliefs. Then you wonder why people on here dont respect you...

This is how i see it, please correct me if you think im wrong.....

Thats bullsh*t man, and a terrible example.

When someone posts in the Q & A, I provide them with a PROPER way to run the cycle. And simply put: that is because I do not want kids going out there and running Tren + Deca + A-bomb cycles. I would rather just tell them how to do it properly, with the least amount of damage done to their body.

I understand that this site advocates a proper diet / natural gains prior to cycling, but at some point it gets ridiculous.

I have a LOT more to add to this point.. I'm sorry, I'd do it now, however, I must take the gf to costco! lol. I'll bump this later on.

[Hunter]

I wasn't joking. Totally happened.

And I agree, I'm not scared to stand up to T-MOS, etc. I think there advice is bullsh*t 90% of the time. For some reason he just can't seem to comprehend that THE VAST MAJORITY of people on here are looking to obtain quality mass, and retain a functional weight. They are not looking to get to 220 pounds naturally, and then juice to 250 pounds. MOST OF US WORK IN AN OFFICE / GO TO SCHOOL..... we DO NOT want to be f*cking silverback gorilla's.



... I realize that's against the rules. I've even complained to ADMIN in the past, but to no avail. Prone has been here much longer then me, and therefore I believe he has preference. It's sad, but true.

Here's exactly what the PM said to me:

Title: I've got your I.P. address

Subject: "LMAO, I got your IP address and it will be sent out lmao..hahahahahahha this is going to be good.."

^^ pretty cool hey?

I hope you wouldnt be afraid to stand up to someone over the internet. No offense but thats a silly thing to say on a board.

Its not hard to get along with everyone. Very few people on this board annoy or bother me at all. Alot of peoples goals are very doable natty, lots of I want to gain 10 or 20 pound or a specific bf. Most goals can be had with a little work. I am all for people using steroids for reasons other then being a competitive bb'er. However they arent a shortcut(I believe you know that) so without a good plan of attack they dont work to there fullest. Why should you advise someone to take a substance that does have health risks if there goals are could be had by buckling down and staying natty.

just my two cents on the issue.

[Immortal Soldier]

Thats bullsh*t man, and a terrible example.

When someone posts in the Q & A, I provide them with a PROPER way to run the cycle. And simply put: that is because I do not want kids going out there and running Tren + Deca + A-bomb cycles. I would rather just tell them how to do it properly, with the least amount of damage done to their body.

I understand that this site advocates a proper diet / natural gains prior to cycling, but at some point it gets ridiculous.

I have a LOT more to add to this point.. I'm sorry, I'd do it now, however, I must take the gf to costco! lol. I'll bump this later on.

That's where me and you collide, you don't give out proper advice. It's a crap shoot with you, sometimes you give out proper advice (which really isn't hard when its a n00bie) and other times you give out terrible advice like telling a person who has never ran steroids to do test + 2 orals (exact details i forget). Then to make matters worse, when ever you get called out for the advice you give you NEVER return to that thread again. Trust me, I always wait for a rebuttal and there never is one. So if you cannot defend your viewpoint, then you shouldn't give out advice.

Second I see you giving advice on compounds you have never ran, telling someone to drop their tren dosage to below 400mg because it has the least sides are best for gaining when you have never ran that compound before (maybe you have and are just lying to us about your cycle history).

So thats my problem with you, it was never to flame you, it was the fact you can't cycle properly (back to back cycles), you started at 20 years, give advice on compounds you never ran, and you attack T-mos saying 90% of what he says is bullshit? Sorry man if you got a problem with T-mos thats fine, but T-mos has more experience in both steroids and lifting naturally than you will ever have in your entire life. You learned about steroids in dec, T-mos and others have been doing it for years so you can't go around the forums acting like you know everything and give advice as you see fit because you have done two cycles. I think thats what the problem really is, you think too highly of yourself and makes you an easy target for other members of this board.

And I don't want you to think cycle history = experience, because there are members on this board (names should be withheld because they will start crying if I call them out) who have run tons of cycles and yet don't have nowhere near the knowledge and experience they should have because they don't want to "learn the game" they just want to use it and see the results.

Respect is not given, it's earned.

[UncleD]

grabs popcorn and yells ACTION!!

[Hunter]

Thats bullsh*t man, and a terrible example.

When someone posts in the Q & A, I provide them with a PROPER way to run the cycle. And simply put: that is because I do not want kids going out there and running Tren + Deca + A-bomb cycles. I would rather just tell them how to do it properly, with the least amount of damage done to their body.

I understand that this site advocates a proper diet / natural gains prior to cycling, but at some point it gets ridiculous.

I have a LOT more to add to this point.. I'm sorry, I'd do it now, however, I must take the gf to costco! lol. I'll bump this later on.

Its ridiculous in your yours eyes not others. That style of advice works the best. Steroids dont build muscle diet and training do. If someone is not responsible enough to have a proper diet and training routine which takes dedication, disipline, sacrafice then what makes you believe they have the disipline to use anabolics properly?

Also that style of gaining close to your natty limit works. Excellent example would be Reed who has two cycles under his belt yet has an amazing physique. If you dont understand diet or training steroids are a waste. Most people come here looking for a magic pill(i did), it doesnt work that way. Imo thats why people advise diet and training before steroids.

[UncleD]

ya know i havent had to go see/rent a movie sence ive joined this site.. keep it up guys ive save TONS of cash lol

[Hunter]

Also stop with the ohh he has been here longer so he doesnt get banned. Thats horse shit. When the site was mod run people got that were asshats got banned hoss827 was banned cause he never stopped making up stories(Walt disney wears a hoss watch, for any of the old timers who remember that). I prefered when it was mod run but that is just me, its admin run and I accept that but they are pretty much right down the line. They have no ties with any member here, they work for and perhaps payed(i dont know) by the company to enforce the rules.

So stop saying so and so gets away with more then me. If that is the case then really how disliked are you that the board police bend the rules for other members who attack you. Just remember no one likes a tattle tail.

[*RAGE*]

seriousmass is just a cry baby and needs to move on, even when most on this forum dislikes him he stick around I believe they call that a troll.....but then again I like reading is dumb ass crying post...

[vingtor]

Since this is about your son doin the roids, ill stick to the question, and ask my own

i dont have kids, and i have no intentions, and im too young. but if he was, and knew what he was doing, and was doing it correctly, and had legit stuff, id let him do it. now he be 15, 6ft and 137 pounds, probobly i be taking and usin' his gear. but is it bad for a child to say, "dad does it so i will?" no i dont think so, cause if you didnt want him to, you would.t(i.e smoking and so forth)

as for those younger guys livin with the rents or visiting them, and you do the roids, and you 'rents havnt, what do you say? who was 18 19 20 and so forth that took them while iwth their rents? whatd you say? how did it make them feel?

[WARMachine]

Man im starting to get turned on here...

Sick SOB!

[Nicotine]

if i had a daughter, i'd be more pissed off if she was dancing on the pole, and doing crack and sucking d1ck to support her habit, than if she was training/dieting/using steroids .

it could be a lot worse...

and, arn't there steroids (winny, anavar ??) that don't cause male features in women?

[Hunter]

if i had a daughter, i'd be more pissed off if she was dancing on the pole, and doing crack and sucking d1ck to support her habit, than if she was training/dieting/using steroids .

it could be a lot worse...

and, arn't there steroids (winny, anavar??) that don't cause male features in women?

primo is pretty safe to even test in moderate doses for sex drive issues I believe katsmeow said she has used it for that purpose. Or deca in a low dose 50 and under I have heard being used with no male features coming on.