Your kids juicing

**ajweb** · 07-25-2009, 07:45 AM

Ran into a friend I hadn't seen in awhile...was at a gym I was checking out. Anyway he was there with his oldest son home from college. The kid was a freaking beast. 6'4 and 270# ripped. He was alway big kid and played alot of sports but now he is monster. He looked like he could jump on stage right now and place top 3 easy at any contest. I asked my friend about him. He said he didn't support him juicing at first but knew the kid was going to do it regardless. My friend have done a few over the years. So he decided he was going to support and help his son to make sure he did it as safely as possible. He is a doc so I don't know if he is getting him the gear or not.
Just curious if any of u guys have kids old enough to train and what would you do if they wanted to juice...what if you had a daughter who wanted to?
Thought it would be interesting to see responses..
Btw...I couldn't stop thinking about how different my college days would have been if I was the size of this kid at 21

**redz** · 07-25-2009, 08:00 AM

It would depend on the age alot to me. No daughter of mine is touching steroids not that I think there would ever be an issue there. I would actually go as far to say I would even help my son in the right situation ie:

Ficticious scenario:

My son is 18-19 years old and drafted to the NHL however he is told he needs to put on 20+lbs of lean mass to make it to the pros.

I would have no problem helping him with diet, training and if it was his will then steroids. I'd much rather help them then let them do it with no knowledge.

However if there were no competitive reason to take them other than vanity I would do my very best to make them wait until atleast in their 20's.

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-25-2009, 01:38 PM

If you have a daughter that wants to do steroids , you have failed as a parent.

**energizer bunny** · 07-25-2009, 03:12 PM

^^^^^^^^ could you explain this statement....im not a parent and i dont know any female that does steroids ... just curious on why you would think that...

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by energizer bunny

^^^^^^^^ could you explain this statement....im not a parent and i dont know any female that does steroids... just curious on why you would think that...

umm perhaps because of the sides??? (IE)... enlargement of the clitoris, deepened voice, excessive body hair.

Unless your daughter is trying to induce a self-medicated sex change, well then IMO steroids + girls don't mix.

Female bodybuilders who use steroids straight up disgust me. There bodies are not a work of art... they're nasty. IMO, they might as well just get gender reassignment surgery, and get it over with.

so yah, if your daughter wants to start injecting, you've truly failed as a parent.

**energizer bunny** · 07-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass

umm perhaps because of the sides??? (IE)... enlargement of the clitoris, deepened voice, excessive body hair.

Unless your daughter is trying to induce a self-medicated sex change, well then IMO steroids + girls don't mix.

Female bodybuilders who use steroids straight up disgust me. There bodies are not a work of art... they're nasty. IMO, they might as well just get gender reassignment surgery, and get it over with.

so yah, if your daughter wants to start injecting, you've truly failed as a parent.

so if a daughter of a responsible age chose to take steroids then its the parents fault and they have failed??

**energizer bunny** · 07-25-2009, 03:38 PM

and also in the statement made by immortal soldier...parents have failed even if the child has thought about steroids ..not actually been allowed to do them..

**gigabitbucket** · 07-25-2009, 06:07 PM

Why would steroids or "most" any drug be bad? moderation is key for me, for me. I guess I never got hooked on anything, but I have had friends go to the dark side. To each their own.

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by energizer bunny

so if a daughter of a responsible age chose to take steroids then its the parents fault and they have failed??

Not necessarily... I think it could be one of two things

a.) from a psychological perspective, perhaps the parents didn't bring her up "well" enough. Perhaps, they didn't give her enough attention, or made her feel inferior.

b.) Perhaps the girl is confused with her gender identity. Because by taking steroids , she is basically going to turn herself into a hermaphrodite (not really, but you know what I mean right?)

My first answer can be correlated to the parents. However, for part B, that's all genetics. Homosexuality / sexual-preference is innate.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***133

Not necessarily... I think it could be one of two things

a.) from a psychological perspective, perhaps the parents didn't bring her up "well" enough. Perhaps, they didn't give her enough attention, or made her feel inferior.

b.) Perhaps the girl is confused with her gender identity. Because by taking steroids , she is basically going to turn herself into a hermaphrodite (not really, but you know what I mean right?)

My first answer can be correlated to the parents. However, for part B, that's all genetics. Homosexuality / sexual-preference is innate.

There are plenty of women who take anavar and have no virilization, once again your advice FAILS.

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-25-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by energizer bunny

and also in the statement made by immortal soldier...parents have failed even if the child has thought about steroids..not actually been allowed to do them..

A girl who wants to do steroids shows a serious flaw in a woman's psychological psyche as well as a problem with her gender identity.

I mean there is a difference between a girl doing clen /anavar to be lean (which is no problem, using steroids to enhance a woman's features) and a women who is injecting testosterone /deca and trying to develop a muscular build that rivals a guys.

***RAGE*** · 07-25-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier;4***148

A girl who wants to do steroids shows a serious flaw in a woman's psychological psyche as well as a problem with her gender identity.

I mean there is a difference between a girl doing clen/anavar to be lean (which is no problem, using steroids to enhance a woman's features) and a women who is injecting testosterone/deca and trying to develop a muscular build that rivals a guys.

I agree with this statement but I have kids of age and they make their own minds...so what they decide is not on the parent you give them the tools but it is up to them to make the right decision....

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***138

There are plenty of women who take anavar and have no virilization

....

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier;4***148

A girl who wants to do steroids shows a serious flaw in a woman's psychological psyche as well as a problem with her gender identity.

Since Immortal basically summarized my last post, I thought I might as well repost it for you Kats.

Listen, we're not talking about girls taking var, or clen . We are talking about women bodybuilders who literally change their personality / complexion to appear more masculine.

I stand by my original statement: women who use steroids have sexual identity issues, or they are trying to prove something... generally due to latent trauma that has occurred in the past (IE) being beaten, sexually abused, outcast, etc..

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 06:57 PM

I think parenting only goes so far, my sister and I were raised the same exact way...she has made horrible life choices, I on the other hand have been meticulous about my next step in life.

And no, I'm not into the female body builder look what so ever, I'm more into the figure and fitness girls physic. But to generalize "women who use steroids are gender confused" is a blanket statement and women can use Anavar in moderation to enhance their bodies without turning into men.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 06:58 PM

Anavar is a steroid if you didn't know, you are making generalized statements and no, you never specified bodybuilding women.

**ajweb** · 07-25-2009, 06:58 PM

So most of you would help your sons if they were stacking

**HORSE** · 07-25-2009, 07:01 PM

Ton's of competing figure models take Deca , EQ, Var, Winny, Primo, to say that any female that takes steroids has mental issues is absurd and show's your ignorance on the subject....

Steroids weather used for men or women is all about knowing the drug's you are using and knowing how to properly monitor your bodies reaction to them....

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***179

I think parenting only goes so far, my sister and I were raised the same exact way...she has made horrible life choices, I on the other hand have been meticulous about my next step in life.

But to generalize "women who use steroids are gender confused" is a blanket statement and women can use Anavar in moderation to enhance their bodies without turning into men.

I never said that. Read my posts more carefully.

I said, A) they are either gender confused, or B) they suffered from psychological damage in the past.

I don't know if it's my psychology degree talking or anything, but to assume that women BB's decide to do steroids out of the blue, is straight ignorant.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Hello kitty;4***185

Ton's of competing figure models take Deca , EQ, Var, Winny, Primo, to say that any female that takes steroids has mental issues is absurd and show's your ignorance of the subject....

Steroids weather used for men or women is all about knowing the drug's you are using and knowing how to properly monitor your bodies reaction to them....

thanks for your intellect, some are lacking in this arena

**Matt** · 07-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Hello kitty;4***185

Ton's of competing figure models take Deca , EQ, Var, Winny, Primo, to say that any female that takes steroids has mental issues is absurd and show's your ignorance on the subject....

Steroids weather used for men or women is all about knowing the drug's you are using and knowing how to properly monitor your bodies reaction to them....

Agreed 100%

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hello kitty;4***185

Ton's of competing figure models take Deca, EQ, Var, Winny, Primo, to say that any female that takes steroids has mental issues is absurd and show's your ignorance on the subject....

Yes.... because self-medicating yourself with steroids , in order to essentially change your sexuality isn't a "mental issue" right? LOL. comon, get realistic.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***186

I never said that. Read my posts more carefully.

I said, A) they are either gender confused, or B) they suffered from psychological damage in the past.

I don't know if it's my psychology degree talking or anything, but to assume that women BB's decide to do steroids out of the blue, is straight ignorant.

Don't get too excited about yourself. I also have a bachelors in psychology and I have used anavar , I'm neither gender confused or have I had suffered any psychological damage in the past. You are ignorant.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***191

Yes.... because self-medicating yourself with steroids, in order to essentially change your sexuality isn't a "mental issue" right? LOL. comon, get realistic.

Who is changing their sexuality, it's simply improving your physic, just like you think you are doing...

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***192

Don't get too excited about yourself. I also have a bachelors in psychology and I have used anavar, I'm neither gender confused or have I had suffered any psychological damage in the past. You are ignorant.

OMMG. I'm not talking about var, haven't we established that from the last 5 posts???

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***195

OMMG. I'm not talking about var, haven't we established that from the last 5 posts???

you said steroids ..if you don't recall

please do us all a favor and stop posting your ill advised non sense

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***193

Who is changing their sexuality, it's simply improving your physic, just like you think you are doing...

excess body-hair; enlarged clit; acne; deep voice.... yah... sounds like a f*cking awesome improvement to me

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***197

please do us all a favor and stop posting your ill advised non sense

This is the lounge sweet-heart. Don't bother telling me what to do.

This is my opinion, and I stand by it.

**Matt** · 07-25-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***198

excess body-hair; enlarged clit; acne; deep voice.... yah... sounds like a f*cking awesome improvement to me

Man im starting to get turned on here...

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***198

excess body-hair; enlarged clit; acne; deep voice.... yah... sounds like a f*cking awesome improvement to me

if it's abused, not all steroid cause virilization

do some research

**Matt** · 07-25-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by MAD MATT;4***201

Man im starting to get turned on here...

I need to go and see doctor phil in the morning...

**HORSE** · 07-25-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***195

OMMG. I'm not talking about var, haven't we established that from the last 5 posts???

What about the other drug's I listed that competing figure models regularly use??

How is it any different from a male taking steroids to enhance his body??

The key is to know your drug's and know how to properly monitor your bodies response to them....

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***202

if it's abused, not all steroid cause virilization

do some research

God. You have to cut the crap, your attitude is ridiculous right now. I'm going to repeat myself once more... I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT VAR / CLEN / WINSTROL . ok? got it?

I'm talking about women using steroids that are testosterone based (Deca / test, etc).

I honestly have no idea how to make this any clearer to you.

Read the side-effects I listed, and make the assumption. Come on, you must be smarter then that.

***RAGE*** · 07-25-2009, 07:13 PM

I think seriousdumbass was raped by his uncle as a kid and that is why he is trying to be big on the internet......POS

**UncleD** · 07-25-2009, 07:14 PM

ok i got my popcorn now.. action!!

**UncleD** · 07-25-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by prone2rage;4***209

I think seriousdumbass was raped by his uncle as a kid and that is why he is trying to be big on the internet......POS

HEY i NEVER touched that boy!

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by prone2rage;4***209

I think seriousdumbass was raped by his uncle as a kid and that is why he is trying to be big on the internet......POS

we're talking about steroids and women. since you have nothing useful to contribute as usual, just leave.

**KatsMeow** · 07-25-2009, 07:16 PM

I'm out, not going to entertain his ignorance anymore. He has a way of ruining every thread he enters and it's unfortunate to the OP.

**Matt** · 07-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by UncleD;4***213

HEY i NEVER touched that boy!

**UncleD** · 07-25-2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by seriousmass;4***214

we're talking about steroids and women. since you have nothing useful to contribute as usual, just leave.

lol your avi looks like a piece of chicken i just ate lol

**seriousmass** · 07-25-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by KatsMeow;4***215

I'm out, not going to entertain his ignorance anymore. He has a way of ruining every thread he enters and it's unfortunate to the OP.

excuse me? were you not the one who came in here and ruined it?

"your advice FAILS".

stop trying to make it seem like you're the innocent scape-goat here.

You wanted a conversation, and I gave you my opinion. It's sad you're unable to have an actual conversation about it. hah. night.