Church Goers Are Drunk On God

[rockinred]

i agree they have the right to do what ever they want. But i have the right to laugh at it too

True... and I am the same way... If I happen to stumble across something bizarre or silly, I just shake my head and chuckle inside at things. I don't go out of my way to ridicule things to everyone and spend my time looking for things like that...but, I am just giving my 2cents. Everyone is different for sure.

Seems a bit personal when you start doing those things and it kind of makes it a different taste. That is all I am getting at.

[gunslinger2]

Don't be mistaken about religion .
It has it's place in society , but its a choice .
Homosexuality and what race a person is not a choice .

There are a lot of different religions . What one is correct depends on personal choice .

I don't think I am smart by any means , I just believe the world is a better place by people believing in religion .

Does not mean I have to believe and I have a life , thank you .

First of all, I agree that religion has it's place in society. I don't think there is one correct one. As for homosexuality being a choice or not I think is debatable. I'm also not saying you don't have a life. What I said was that people who waste their time in life trying to insult other peoples beliefs have no life.

[GuybrushThreepwod]

Being a Christian isn't a choice. I am born into it. I literally cannot feel fulfilled unless I am in God's will. I get depressed if I know that I have hurt God. If I were to deny God, I would find no point to life. But that isn't to say that the people in that video aren't misled. I've seen stuff like that first hand. It's amazing how fast people can get caught up in the moment. We are all sheep in one way or another...

[Friend]

In the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. Amen.

[fig]

These white people make be wish I was black...

[DSM4Life]

The faggots are really doing alot of christian bashing nowdays..
But really, who can take someone who looks like this serious?

So then your fellow christian man has no life ?

First of all, I agree that religion has it's place in society. I don't think there is one correct one. As for homosexuality being a choice or not I think is debatable. I'm also not saying you don't have a life. What I said was that people who waste their time in life trying to insult other peoples beliefs have no life.

I concur.

[GuybrushThreepwod]

How can anyone decide who has a "life"? A life is what you make of it. If someone's life is being gay and cross-dressing, then that is there life. If someone is a Christian and lives by a set of rules, then that is there life. Why does everyone get so hot and bothered over this? I certainly don't care if someone is gay, why should someone care if I'm a Christian? Does me being a Christian effect how you live your life? No! The same as you being gay doesn't effect me. Things only effect people who are looking to be effected by them.

[DSM4Life]

How can anyone decide who has a "life"? A life is what you make of it. If someone's life is being gay and cross-dressing, then that is there life. If someone is a Christian and lives by a set of rules, then that is there life. Why does everyone get so hot and bothered over this? I certainly don't care if someone is gay, why should someone care if I'm a Christian? Does me being a Christian effect how you live your life? No! The same as you being gay doesn't effect me. Things only effect people who are looking to be effected by them.

I agree.

[NightWolf]

So then your fellow christian man has no life ?

What goes around...Comes around.

[CrazyHorse13]

Here is why its important

Because it is God's Narrative to all creation....

He is the one who makes the rules not us...

We just abide in Jesus....and since Jesus abides in him, we then abide in the father John 15

People can talk about this all they want...but go and find out for yourself...read the Bible...God is not some evil being far away.....he offers you a chance to get out of this depressing world.....I live where your not overlooked and justice falls....a life worth living.....

go read it yourself...dont let anyone tell you what it means....

Again all religions have a thread of truth in them...but the bible straightens all truth out...

[DSM4Life]

Here is why its important

Because it is God's Narrative to all creation....

He is the one who makes the rules not us...

We just abide in Jesus....and since Jesus abides in him, we then abide in the father John 15

People can talk about this all they want...but go and find out for yourself...read the Bible...God is not some evil being far away.....he offers you a chance to get out of this depressing world.....I live where your not overlooked and justice falls....a life worth living.....

go read it yourself...dont let anyone tell you what it means....

Again all religions have a thread of truth in them...but the bible straightens all truth out...

This is why most people run to a god. They just can't handle the pressure of everyday life which if it makes you feel better that's fine but it doesn't give you the right to judge others.

[sizerp]

This is why most people run to a god. They just can't handle the pressure of everyday life which if it makes you feel better that's fine but it doesn't give you the right to judge others.

God is like AAS.

Any impertinence caused by misapplication can result in affliction of virtues.

[amcon]

it all boils down to this gay or straight - God made all of us... we are sinners... God hates sin and thus we need to wash our sleves from the "dirt" of Sin (adams sin) when that happens we can now work on the love aspect of life- first cornth 13... read it kjv version

[Bojangles69]

Being a Christian isn't a choice. I am born into it. I literally cannot feel fulfilled unless I am in God's will. I get depressed if I know that I have hurt God. If I were to deny God, I would find no point to life. But that isn't to say that the people in that video aren't misled. I've seen stuff like that first hand. It's amazing how fast people can get caught up in the moment. We are all sheep in one way or another...

Please please.

I am not a sheep. I conform to my own rules, regulations and beliefs, not some fairytale designed to scare society into blind obedience. Your "god" is a mere figment of your imagination. So what you're really saying is if you denied your imagination, you would find no point in life.

Which doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.. which also happens to be par for 99% of religion.

[gunslinger2]

Please please.

I am not a sheep. I conform to my own rules, regulations and beliefs, not some fairytale designed to scare society into blind obedience. Your "god" is a mere figment of your imagination. So what you're really saying is if you denied your imagination, you would find no point in life.

Which doesn't exactly make a lot of sense.. which also happens to be par for 99% of religion.

You are very much a sheep and you don't make your own rules, if you did you would go to jail or be killed most likely. Just because you don't believe in a god does not mean you can go around doing what ever you like, it just does not work that way. The rules may be self imposed or imposed by your gov, but they are there.


Blind obedience is one thing, treating others they way you want to be treated is another. To you God is a just a "mere figment of your imagination"
But to someone else God may be very much real. Perception is reality. A sense of respect, being self aware and a certain code of conduct is what separates us from lower forms of animals.

This is why most people run to a god. They just can't handle the pressure of everyday life which if it makes you feel better that's fine but it doesn't give you the right to judge others.

If turning to God helps someone deal with stress then whats the harm in that? I can think of much worse ways of dealing with stress. You don't have to judge others but each person has a right to draw the line when Somebody Else's beliefs or life style infringes on theirs or the way they want to raise their kids.

[Bojangles69]

You are very much a sheep and you don't make your own rules, if you did you would go to jail or be killed most likely.

I HAVE been to jail, because I make my own rules. And reality check, not everyone who makes their own rules goes to jail or dies. There are thousands of people who are not sheep like you, sorry to break it.

Just because you don't believe in a god does not mean you can go around doing what ever you like, it just does not work that way. The rules may be self imposed or imposed by your gov, but they are there.

No how come? Cause "God" will stop me?
Again, you are wrong, because you believe in the existence of a fictional creature.
Man can outsmart man, man to man, man to government, government to man. It happens everyday and the world you promote is one of absolute justice. Saying that rules may be self imposed. Or wait.. listen to your language. You say *MAY* be imposed.

You never said *are always* imposed. That one brief technicality in your logic already agrees with my point that rules *MAY* be imposed. But they are NOT ALWAYS. Religion leads you to believe they are. By justifying it in repercussions of an imaginary afterlife. So doesn't that ALSO mean people can go around doing whatever they'd like? You disagree with me verbally but the actual logic of your language agrees with me. Do you even see how confused you are?

Blind obedience is one thing, treating others they way you want to be treated is another. To you God is a just a "mere figment of your imagination"
But to someone else God may be very much real. Perception is reality. A sense of respect, being self aware and a certain code of conduct is what separates us from lower forms of animals.

"Perception is not reality". How about that?
How about THIS, again your logic is always off track.

***PERCEPTION IS A MAP OF REALITY***

Therefore perception is not reality. Perception is a map, a map is not reality. Just because you choose to believe a map is reality, doesn't mean it is because you believe it. When I look at a map, I think "hmm, an interpretation of something else", I don't think "hmm, this map is reality". That would be stupid no?
So how does your logic not make what you said stupid? Because you said perception is reality, which is clearly is not.

This is simple logic you can not learn by believing santa was real or the easter bunny or do you believe in those too?

If turning to God helps someone deal with stress then whats the harm in that? I can think of much worse ways of dealing with stress. You don't have to judge others but each person has a right to draw the line when Somebody Else's beliefs or life style infringes on theirs or the way they want to raise their kids.

Because look at this, you really want to know why.

Imagine this. I go into a shrinks office or actually anywhere in life and I say to someone "hey look this guy has a gun to my back" and they say "where is he?"
There is noone there but I respond "there IS a guy there just because you can not see him does not mean he is not there". They say "you are a fvckn lunatic and need to be admitted asap".

Is that not true? Would that not happen? How come religion is even considered sane? Why not talk about that? You are deriving an entire system of beliefs based on something that has never been proven to even exist.
In psychology, this is considered "delusional", forgive me for believing pyschology or science, over religion, something we know enough not to teach in schools.

[GuybrushThreepwod]

Bojangles- Genuine question - So do you think that religious people should be institutionalized or was that just an example?

And my "everyone is a sheep" comment ,I believe, still holds true. There are no "new" ideas or rules or ways to live. You subscribe to someone's idea of thinking as I do. The ideas we subscribe to just differ. We were both conditioned to see life in a certain way due to our up-bringing. The question is, can we step outside of our pre-conditioning to truly examine all of the options of spirituality or science that have been laid out before us. I don't consider myself a blind sheep though as I have done research and learned about what I believe as I'm sure you have. We have just come to different conclusions.

I do firmly believe that Jesus is the son of God and he is the only way to heaven. I hope that even for just your sake, that I am wrong. I don't wish hell on anyone. I'm dead serious here. But, I know that posts on a board will never change someone's mind. I want you to know though, that I'll be praying for you and I hope that life blesses you and treats you well!

[Tock]

Faith is beleiving in something that you have no evidence is true.
If you actually had evidence & proof that something was true, it would no longer be Faith. It would be demonstrable fact, just like any other fact.

So beleive whatever religious stuff you want, it makes no difference to me. But don't be trying to make other people live by your Faith. We have our own ideas of what's appropriate for ourselves.

I will say this, however. Vestal Goodman was a great singer. Plus she was the sort of Christian that was able to enjoy her Faith without pushing it off on other people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8f32cDAXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0SXT...om=PL&index=11

[Friend]

God spots me in the gym when i'm on cycle. I don't even have to ask.

[gunslinger2]

Regardless if you think you do or not, you conform to the rules of where you live for the most part. If you don't you will end up in jail or dead given time. Don't believe me? Go out and break all the laws where you live and see what happens to you.


Yes I said: "may be self imposed"

This means by a belief in God.

Or: imposed by your gov. See above.


People like you tend to think people that do have self imposed rules have a mental problem...lol Thats funny if you think about it.

Bojangles- Genuine question - So do you think that religious people should be institutionalized or was that just an example?

Don't worry about it GuybrushThreepwod, its a typical atheist argument they have been using for years.

[CrazyHorse13]

Faith is beleiving in something that you have no evidence is true.
If you actually had evidence & proof that something was true, it would no longer be Faith. It would be demonstrable fact, just like any other fact.

So beleive whatever religious stuff you want, it makes no difference to me. But don't be trying to make other people live by your Faith. We have our own ideas of what's appropriate for ourselves.

I will say this, however. Vestal Goodman was a great singer. Plus she was the sort of Christian that was able to enjoy her Faith without pushing it off on other people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8f32cDAXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0SXT...om=PL&index=11

I have faith because of I reasoned with my mind...that Jesus is the christ...thats a false statment of what faith is....Faith is.....action...because of the hope I have in Jesus....

[CrazyHorse13]

This is why most people run to a god. They just can't handle the pressure of everyday life which if it makes you feel better that's fine but it doesn't give you the right to judge others.

I never judged anyone...dont pull the judge card...All I am saying is read it yourself.....

Read it yourself....you know there are many athestic who argue against christianity, but have never read the bible....at least look at the Bible..then judge yourself......

Im sure your intelligent enough to realize there is a creator.... if not look at the anthropic theory

[DSM4Life]

I never judged anyone...dont pull the judge card...All I am saying is read it yourself.....

Read it yourself....you know there are many athestic who argue against christianity, but have never read the bible....at least look at the Bible..then judge yourself......

Im sure your intelligent enough to realize there is a creator.... if not look at the anthropic theory

I never said you personally, but your religion judges people.

I have read some of the bible. When i was younger i also attended catholic school for 6 years which also meant church every Sunday (had to being in a catholic school).
I was raised catholic from my parents and on my own free will i decided to give it up.

I believe in science not religion. I am a realist.


Was there once a very humble man name jesus who did great things for people? Maybe but did he create the world ? In my opinion , no.

[lola1182]

wow.. i do not believe in that drunk on god holy laughter shit.

[BgMc31]

Faith - faith:

1. confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, an idea, or a thing.
2. belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
3. loyalty or allegiance to a person or thing; esp. fidelity to a promise.
4. the theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

Faith indicates persistent action, devotion, and direction of self, and is often charged with emotion. When there is faith within someone, they become faithful, and when they have faith in someone, that loyalty can grow into a covenant. In the Hebrew Scriptures, this is the meaning of Heb. 'emunah. 'Emunah is also used to describe the covenant of marriage, as what the the husband and wife have in each other.

[gunslinger2]

I never said you personally, but your religion judges people.

I don't judge people, but I do have a certain standard of conduct I expect from people. If you have no standard its anything goes, and if it feels good do it.

I believe in science not religion. I am a realist.

You don't have to believe in religion to believe in a God, they are not the same thing.

Was there once a very humble man name jesus who did great things for people? Maybe but did he create the world ? In my opinion , no.

I don't think there is a religion that believes that Jesus created the world. Of course I could be wrong about that.

[DSM4Life]

I don't judge people, but I do have a certain standard of conduct I expect from people. If you have no standard its anything goes, and if it feels good do it.

So then you do feel its OK for a group of people to gang up and judge others ? Who says your standards are right ?


You don't have to believe in religion to believe in a God, they are not the same thing.


K, for the record i don't believe in god or religion.


I don't think there is a religion that believes that Jesus created the world. Of course I could be wrong about that.

You know what i meant.

[D7M]

I don't think there is a religion that believes that Jesus created the world. Of course I could be wrong about that.

That would be Christianity that believes Jesus (not in his humanity, of course, but as the divine logos) created the world.

See John 1:1-3 (from the preferred Douay-Rheims version):

1 In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

[CrazyHorse13]

Yeah.....The Bible states that everything was created through Jesus

[gunslinger2]

So then you do feel its OK for a group of people to gang up and judge others ? Who says your standards are right ?

No,but I also don't think its right for someone to force what they believe on me.


Jesus is not God. Jesus was sent by God. Jesus didn't create anything. At least that is what I get from the Bible. I think most of what you are talking about is the New Testament. Lets not leave out the Old Testament and the the Quran. Also lets not forget that Christianity is not the only religion that believes in God.

Most of the people here seem to be anti-Christianity.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Care to show me the name Jesus anywhere in that?

[DSM4Life]

No,but I also don't think its right for someone to force what they believe on me.


Jesus is not God. Jesus was sent by God. Jesus didn't create anything. At least that is what I get from the Bible. I think most of what you are talking about is the New Testament. Lets not leave out the Old Testament and the the Quran. Also lets not forget that Christianity is not the only religion that believes in God.

Most of the people here seem to be anti-Christianity.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Care to show me the name Jesus anywhere in that?

Sorry couldn't tell you. Im not big on fiction books.

[gunslinger2]

You don't have to be a fan of fiction, just able to read.

I see how this is going though, when logic and reason fail, resort to childish comments. I see you do not have any counter points so I think we can call this over.

[D7M]

No,but I also don't think its right for someone to force what they believe on me.


Jesus is not God. False. According to the Christian tradition Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity. This isn't my opinion, but simply Christianity 101.

Jesus was sent by God. True

Jesus didn't create anything. Again, false according to the Christian tradition.

At least that is what I get from the Bible. I think most of what you are talking about is the New Testament. Lets not leave out the Old Testament and the the Quran. Also lets not forget that Christianity is not the only religion that believes in God. I fail to see your point here.

Most of the people here seem to be anti-Christianity. This is true. Get used to it.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Care to show me the name Jesus anywhere in that?
Again, Christian tradition has consistently identified Jesus in his Divinity with the Divine Logos. Thus, while the particular verse in question does not specifically state "Jesus created the world", nonetheless the inference that Christ, being the Word, was instrumental in creation is quite evident.

Above bolds. Hope that helps.

[BgMc31]

I have a couple of questions...why is it so wrong to the anti-religious people for people to believe in something greater than themselves? I mean, I all for anything that will make someone happy and a better person if that is a belief in Christ, Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc., it shouldn't matter.

On the flip side, why do Christians always try to make people believe that their religion is the RIGHT religion but the only justification they use is "Read the Bible". There is zero proof of the claims made in the Bible or any other holy book. Religion is based on faith (the definition of which I already posted). Leave it at that!!! There is nothing wrong with your beliefs just don't try to justify them using logic when the whole idea of religion is based the illogical.

And yes I am a Christian!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I have a couple of questions...why is it so wrong to the anti-religious people for people to believe in something greater than themselves? I mean, I all for anything that will make someone happy and a better person if that is a belief in Christ, Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc., it shouldn't matter.

On the flip side, why do Christians always try to make people believe that their religion is the RIGHT religion but the only justification they use is "Read the Bible". There is zero proof of the claims made in the Bible or any other holy book. Religion is based on faith (the definition of which I already posted). Leave it at that!!! There is nothing wrong with your beliefs just don't try to justify them using logic when the whole idea of religion is based the illogical.

And yes I am a Christian!

x2, and Im not a christian. ... see, we can agree lol

[CrazyHorse13]

Above bolds. Hope that helps.

Read the Book of Colossians....it will straighten it out....he is in all and through all

[CrazyHorse13]

I have a couple of questions...why is it so wrong to the anti-religious people for people to believe in something greater than themselves? I mean, I all for anything that will make someone happy and a better person if that is a belief in Christ, Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc., it shouldn't matter.

On the flip side, why do Christians always try to make people believe that their religion is the RIGHT religion but the only justification they use is "Read the Bible". There is zero proof of the claims made in the Bible or any other holy book. Religion is based on faith (the definition of which I already posted). Leave it at that!!! There is nothing wrong with your beliefs just don't try to justify them using logic when the whole idea of religion is based the illogical.

And yes I am a Christian!

You truly are far off the mark.......the Bible is historical accurate.....Even non christian Atheist scholars believe that....

Also Faith....is not believing in something with no-evidence....webester dictionary is wrong....the reason a person has faith is because they reasoned in there head and heart....and I can tell you as a minister of the gospel....you my friend...might not actually be a christian....with your wording

[CrazyHorse13]

Surley by now...most people have realized that there are fake christians and real ones...

[BgMc31]

x2, and Im not a christian. ... see, we can agree lol

YES WE CAN!!!

[rockinred]

You truly are far off the mark.......the Bible is historical accurate.....Even non christian Atheist scholars believe that....

Also Faith....is not believing in something with no-evidence....webester dictionary is wrong....the reason a person has faith is because they reasoned in there head and heart....and I can tell you as a minister of the gospel....you my friend...might not actually be a christian....with your wording

CrazyHorse, don't go there and tell people they are not what they actually are. You have no authority and no one made you judge of anyone. If anyone claims to believe or disbelieve then it is strictly their prerogative. Let God do the sorting.

BGMC is a very open minded person. It takes years of age and life to come to a point of not judging others based on their belief. This is a rare trait for men of faith throughout all of time. People should heed what Jesus taught and not judge others. Really weigh on what Jesus said on the way to visit Mathews house. His disciples questioned him on why he would go eat with them/sinners and he stated that they (Mathew and guests) might even be closer to the Kingdom of Heaven then them (Jesus' disciples). What exactly that means tells us how we should all treat every person we come across in life.

Being a man of God does not mean how you have formatted your life to a belief/religious system that is put out to the masses. It goes much deeper than this my friend and I urge you to take your walk to the next level of service.