football vrs rugby

[.EA.]

real enlightening.... None of this stuff was stated in this thread already? You are a genius.

Then why the hhelll is the debate still going on?

Or do you people like to argue just for the sake of arguing?

listen retard^^^^^^^
im tired of hearing about the cardio point of the game. yes rugby is much more non stop then football but its not a constant sprint.
if u were to take a smaller bunch of NFL players like recievers and defensive backs, they could easily get into rugby shape, and still maintain there 4.3-4.4 speeds with there strength.
making them the same size or bigger then the big guys in rugby while still running them under the table..
there is no comparsion between NFL and rugby players.

Because top NFL players can compete and match the top Rugby players after only a few months of conditioning.

RRRiiiiiighht...

Yeah...






No.

[Mooseman33]

at top level in either sport.......im sure they would be able to adapt to the other sport...i.e A top American football player with a few months training would most probably be able to play top class rugby and vice versa.......
my opinion counts for zero as i have limited experience in both.......

id like to hear opinions from people who have played in both for a good few years.....so they are not biased..........99% of rugby players will diss American footbal and vice versa....and supporters will do the same.....

Bigsexy.....have you played Rugby or American football?

Countryboy....have you played Rugby or American football?

1000% disagree. A top class rugy player would have problems making a NFL practice squad roster with a year of training.
NFL athletes would have no problem making the swith, it would take some time for the cardio training but there skill level is much better. and i am talking about recievers/running backs and defensive backs, including some linebackers...

they are just different level athletes.

[energizer bunny]

OK mooseman....

have you played american football or rugby?

[.EA.]

1000% disagree. A top class rugy player would have problems making a NFL practice squad roster with a year of training.
NFL athletes would have no problem making the swith, it would take some time for the cardio training but there skill level is much better. and i am talking about recievers/running backs and defensive backs, including some linebackers...

they are just different level athletes.

Did you read my post?

There is no way any pro football player would be able to compete and perform better than pro Rugby player on a pro team. And vice versa.

They are both just at that high of a level.

Specialization...

It's a good thing.

[energizer bunny]

Did you read my post?

There is no way any pro football player would be able to compete and perform better than pro Rugby player on a pro team. And vice versa.

They are both just at that high of a level.

Specialization...

It's a good thing.

so what your saying is that a top class athlete will not be able to adapt to another sport with the correct training??

[Mooseman33]

OK mooseman....

have you played american football or rugby?

maybe im biased, but yes i played football my whole life, got a free education cause of it. played college at a division 2 school..

but i will never agree that a top level NFL player with months of training could not take over Rugby, he would dominate.
and i will never agree that a rugby player would be sucessful in the NFL.
rugby players are top at what they do, no doubt...but its only cause NFL players dont play it..

[energizer bunny]

maybe im biased, but yes i played football my whole life, got a free education cause of it. played college at a division 2 school..

but i will never agree that a top level NFL player with months of training could not take over Rugby, he would dominate.
and i will never agree that a rugby player would be sucessful in the NFL.
rugby players are top at what they do, no doubt...but its only cause NFL players dont play it..

LOL i couldnt care if you agree or not mate........you are definately biased......no maybes about it....

ill bow out of this discusion with you...as i can see there is no point in it....

[rockinred]

Then why the hhelll is the debate still going on?

Or do you people like to argue just for the sake of arguing?


No.[/COLOR]

lol...You are knee deep in the argument yourself.. sometimes I like to argue for the fun of it...then people start getting all personal and then it gets ugly.

But still it appears most of this argument is about intensity levels. Has anyone ever played the line on American Football? Any football player knows that is the roughest hands down. Have you ever tried pushing against another guy like that for a whole game? What is is called in Rugby where the guys all get together and push? Imagine doing that a whole game. IMO, there is no intensity harder than that.

[Mooseman33]

^^thats why it is called the "trenches"

wars have been fought with less violence then what occurs on the line of football..

[energizer bunny]

lol...You are knee deep in the argument yourself.. sometimes I like to argue for the fun of it...then people start getting all personal and then it gets ugly.

But still it appears most of this argument is about intensity levels. Has anyone ever played the line on American Football? Any football player knows that is the roughest hands down. Have you ever tried pushing against another guy like that for a whole game? What is is called in Rugby where the guys all get together and push? Imagine doing that a whole game. IMO, there is no intensity harder than that.

Hey Rockinred......i also like having a debate...not a pissing contest......

Have you played rugby or american football?.......im just tryin to figure out who is biased in their opinions...

[rockinred]

Bunny, I have really only played football, but two best friends played Football and then went on to play Rugby. I doubt you will find many on here that have played both sports at a high level.

American football is really hard to get organized. There is a city league, but it is really hard to get organized. Rugby is pretty popular in the city leagues and a lot play it. American football is more likely to get injured probably because of the explosiveness of it so a lot of people that have regular jobs don't play it a lot due to that.

[.EA.]

so what your saying is that a top class athlete will not be able to adapt to another sport with the correct training??

What I'm saying is that these guys have played the sport their whole life. It's one thing to be a top athlete, it's another to be on a specific level. It's the mindset that comes with it.

lol...You are knee deep in the argument yourself.. sometimes I like to argue for the fun of it...then people start getting all personal and then it gets ugly.

But still it appears most of this argument is about intensity levels. Has anyone ever played the line on American Football? Any football player knows that is the roughest hands down. Have you ever tried pushing against another guy like that for a whole game? What is is called in Rugby where the guys all get together and push? Imagine doing that a whole game. IMO, there is no intensity harder than that.

Bro I understand. I bounced with a guy 6' 7" at 350 lbs. The guy played for WVU, then played for Ottawa U. If it wasn't for his depression and bullsh!t that he went through he could have made it big.

And I'm not even joking. This guy was fvcking massive. With some training he could have competed against any defensive line. Teams would stack their D line to try to prevent him from getting through. He trucked a QB with his own D line player...

[energizer bunny]

Rockinred
So youd be biased mate........what do your friends say about this subject??

they both look great to play to me......American football more so....it looks more fun of what i have seen...which isnt much......im from england and a football fan...

[rockinred]

Yea, I guess I am biased... and to tell you the truth, no one will comment with an unbiased opinion. I think if you get folks to chime in that have played both they will more than likely hype whatever game they excelled at the most. Most Americans that play rugby for the city leagues are ex football players. My buddies say that Rugby is some rough shit. As far as athletic ability, I think football is a little more difficult. Most guys that don't do to well in football play rugby here in the states. not talking about pro level. Too much money in American football to even entice anyone to think about choosing rugby over that sport if they had an option.

Personally they are both great sports with pros and cons. These arguments are entertaining to me. I will stand that the trenches O line and D line are the roughest of both sports...easily. A running back takes a beating a lot too.

[rockinred]

A QB and recievers and all that don't get as rough as rugby players for sure. But the linemen do for sure and an argument can be made on behalf of a running back is rougher or gets beat down harder than rugby players.

[*El Diablo*]

A QB and recievers and all that don't get as rough as rugby players for sure. But the linemen do for sure and an argument can be made on behalf of a running back is rougher or gets beat down harder than rugby players.

South Africa's number one sport is rugby, but i think we all should agree to disagree and decide that we cant compare the 2.....

Both are a very competitive impact sport and injuries are Prone.

[energizer bunny]

Yea, I guess I am biased... and to tell you the truth, no one will comment with an unbiased opinion. I think if you get folks to chime in that have played both they will more than likely hype whatever game they excelled at the most. Most Americans that play rugby for the city leagues are ex football players. My buddies say that Rugby is some rough shit. As far as athletic ability, I think football is a little more difficult. Most guys that don't do to well in football play rugby here in the states. not talking about pro level. Too much money in American football to even entice anyone to think about choosing rugby over that sport if they had an option.

Personally they are both great sports with pros and cons. These arguments are entertaining to me. I will stand that the trenches O line and D line are the roughest of both sports...easily. A running back takes a beating a lot too.

LOL.........mine is........but mines an uneducated one so it doesnt count.....

anyway Football is the king!!!! and i mean real football....hahaha....

[JDawg1536]

Im watching all sorts of rugby videos, and Im sorry but the speed is not there. And all these "vicious" hits they always talk about..... I've yet to see one play where a rugby player goes and hits an opponent as hard as he possibly can. There is always slowing or shying away at contact. That's the reason for pads in the NFL. Players go 100% as hard as they can and hit someone. If there were no pads and two 220lb men collided head on running 20mph each, people would die. Do you really think rugby players don't use pads because they are "tougher" than football players?

The bigger players in the NFL couldn't hang with the cardio required of rugby, but throw and RB/DB/WR on the field and you will see a huge difference in speed.

[JDawg1536]

LOL.........mine is........but mines an uneducated one so it doesnt count.....

anyway Football is the king!!!! and i mean real football....hahaha....

You mean the girlie men in short shorts flopping around faking injuries so they can get a call?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

real enlightening.... None of this stuff was stated in this thread already? You are a genius.

LOL kinda what I was thinking...

listen retard^^^^^^^
im tired of hearing about the cardio point of the game. yes rugby is much more non stop then football but its not a constant sprint.
if u were to take a smaller bunch of NFL players like recievers and defensive backs, they could easily get into rugby shape, and still maintain there 4.3-4.4 speeds with there strength.
making them the same size or bigger then the big guys in rugby while still running them under the table..
there is no comparsion between NFL and rugby players.

Bingo!

at top level in either sport.......im sure they would be able to adapt to the other sport...i.e A top American football player with a few months training would most probably be able to play top class rugby and vice versa.......

my opinion counts for zero as i have limited experience in both.......

id like to hear opinions from people who have played in both for a good few years.....so they are not biased..........99% of rugby players will diss American footbal and vice versa....and supporters will do the same.....

Bigsexy.....have you played Rugby or American football?

Countryboy....have you played Rugby or American football?

Im with Mooseman, and gotta disagree there, no rugby guy would ever touch it in the NFL, unless he is a kicker, like BgMc already stated.
I've played american football, and have 2 friends that played rugby. Guess why they played rugby? They got cut in football lol.

maybe im biased, but yes i played football my whole life, got a free education cause of it. played college at a division 2 school..

but i will never agree that a top level NFL player with months of training could not take over Rugby, he would dominate.
and i will never agree that a rugby player would be sucessful in the NFL.
rugby players are top at what they do, no doubt...but its only cause NFL players dont play it..

Yep...

lol...You are knee deep in the argument yourself.. sometimes I like to argue for the fun of it...then people start getting all personal and then it gets ugly.

But still it appears most of this argument is about intensity levels. Has anyone ever played the line on American Football? Any football player knows that is the roughest hands down. Have you ever tried pushing against another guy like that for a whole game? What is is called in Rugby where the guys all get together and push? Imagine doing that a whole game. IMO, there is no intensity harder than that.

Exactly!... Finally some people in here that know what the hell they are talking about!

Im watching all sorts of rugby videos, and Im sorry but the speed is not there. And all these "vicious" hits they always talk about..... I've yet to see one play where a rugby player goes and hits an opponent as hard as he possibly can. There is always slowing or shying away at contact. That's the reason for pads in the NFL. Players go 100% as hard as they can and hit someone. If there were no pads and two 220lb men collided head on running 20mph each, people would die. Do you really think rugby players don't use pads because they are "tougher" than football players?

The bigger players in the NFL couldn't hang with the cardio required of rugby, but throw and RB/DB/WR on the field and you will see a huge difference in speed.

Right on again! 200 pound men, running 5.2 40s, isn't very fast....well not fast at all when you compare it to the nfl. Put Randy Moss out on the rugby field, and they wouldn't even be able to touch his ass... and I could name many more

Its pretty ****ing obvious who wins the most intense, fast paced, bigger hits, etc..... football hands down.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I don't think countryboy's elevator goes all the way to the top.

Maybe it was all of those crazy rugby hits....yep, that must be it. lol

[Mooseman33]

im with u bro..

i actually bothers me that someone can not see the dominance the NFL athletes have..it blow my mind

all in fun i guess...

[dangerous dan]

dont these american football players wear all this padding like girls?

havent seen a more physical came than rugby, so im going to say rugby player could do NFL. not sure if NFL could cope with rugby.

but thats just on what i have seen. Like bunny im a real football fan.

[Mooseman33]

andre johnson and larry fitzgerald, both WR in NFL..if either played rugby, they would be the 2 west players ever....
not just in the league, but best ever...

they have size, speed, skill..and just like most sports, speed kills...

please tell me a rugby player with his stats that can make an NFL team, hell make that practice team.
if they didnt wear pads there would be deaths every week. not injuries like in rugby but deaths...

[JDawg1536]

dont these american football players wear all this padding like girls?

havent seen a more physical came than rugby, so im going to say rugby player could do NFL. not sure if NFL could cope with rugby.

but thats just on what i have seen. Like bunny im a real football fan.

And the hardest rugby hit I have ever seen is still not as hard as hits I see in every game of COLLEGE football.

[dangerous dan]

really tough one for me.

And they are lots of rugby players with size, speed, skill.

by the sounds of things from a quick scan of the net, rugby players are more physically fit and NFL is a harder hitting sport, which explains the need for pads

But stick a rugby player with pading on in NFL...im sure hed cope....stick an NFL player in rugby with no pads...whould he cope with the hard hits from rugby players? with no pads???

[energizer bunny]

You mean the girlie men in short shorts flopping around faking injuries so they can get a call?

LOL yeah thats the one..........the game that you use your feet to play...

[dangerous dan]

And the hardest rugby hit I have ever seen is still not as hard as hits I see in every game of COLLEGE football.

dont talk wet mate

[energizer bunny]

Bigsexy...
Im with Mooseman, and gotta disagree there, no rugby guy would ever touch it in the NFL, unless he is a kicker, like BgMc already stated.
I've played american football, and have 2 friends that played rugby. Guess why they played rugby? They got cut in football lol.




You would disagree........your obviously biased towards American football.....hey i dont care im not a real fan of either.......

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

dont these american football players wear all this padding like girls?

havent seen a more physical came than rugby, so im going to say rugby player could do NFL. not sure if NFL could cope with rugby.

but thats just on what i have seen. Like bunny im a real football
fan.

have you not read the thread? And see the stats? See how fast,big,strong nfl players are? A 300 pound man with a 40 inch vertical, running a 4.7 (faster than rugby's fast players), and benching 500+ pounds....lol look again my friend. Look at the stats of the 4 guys I posted, and see if you can find me some rugby players with the same or better? Excluding kickers lol. Cuz you won't. The "fast" guys in rugby average a 4.9 40 time....nfl is 4.3 which is a hhhuuuggggeeee difference.
Those top notch rugby players wouldn't make it on a good college football team... Sure, they are good at what they do, but nfl is a whole new level.
Take the pads off and people would be hurt and/or dead on every play...see with rugby, pads arent needed because its like two little school girls going at it LOL

andre johnson and larry fitzgerald, both WR in NFL..if either played rugby, they would be the 2 west players ever....
not just in the league, but best ever...

they have size, speed, skill..and just like most sports, speed kills...

please tell me a rugby player with his stats that can make an NFL team, hell make that practice team.
if they didnt wear pads there would be deaths every week. not injuries like in rugby but deaths...

Yep, made my point. And, none of them will give you any stats or anything...lol cuz they know

And the hardest rugby hit I have ever seen is still not as hard as hits I see in every game of COLLEGE football.

hey, thats exactly what I was saying. they wouldn't make it on a college football team....not even a great high school football team!!!



Then again, of course people across the pond will love rugby.... what do you expect. Come to the states and see how the big boys play haha.
Go up against Ray Lewis..lol, he'll kill you with or without pads

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Im with Mooseman, and gotta disagree there, no rugby guy would ever touch it in the NFL, unless he is a kicker, like BgMc already stated.
I've played american football, and have 2 friends that played rugby. Guess why they played rugby? They got cut in football lol.




You would disagree........your obviously biased towards American football.....hey i dont care im not a real fan of either.......

Not biased. I just go with the facts lol.

Give me a name of a rugby player that you feel has NFL talent, and stats, then we can talk...
Im still waiting on countryboy's picks...lol, but I think he already knows

[Mooseman33]

^^^^ bingo

[dangerous dan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhuCk5qQ_8

lol hehe

[energizer bunny]

Not biased. I just go with the facts lol.

Give me a name of a rugby player that you feel has NFL talent, and stats, then we can talk...
Im still waiting on countryboy's picks...lol, but I think he already knows

as my above coment said i dont care.....i was just after an unbiased opinion....and there is not one.......LOL at the bold.........

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

as my above coment said i dont care.....i was just after an unbiased opinion....and there is not one.......LOL at the bold.........

unbiased here

[energizer bunny]

unbiased here

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhuCk5qQ_8

lol hehe

funny, but thats not the NFL.

[energizer bunny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhuCk5qQ_8

lol hehe

he got owned.......haha thats great......everyone was laughing at him stumbling off........

[dangerous dan]

ino just came across it on tubey had me chuckling lol.

iv been trying to fing rugby players stats cant find anything on personal stats, some big guys, but with verry high bf

[dangerous dan]

reserch shows that NFL players are stronger faster bigger than rugby players.

i thought the stopages in rugby was anoying enough, but by the sounds out things theres plenty more stopages in NFL.

On a positive for rugby, alot on what iv just read says nlf has the bigger quicker players, but couldnt do 80mins on a rugby pitch as the same is quicker flowing more technical and just a longer game.

we could all argue the toss over the matter...but im sure theres positives and negatives in both games. No matter what there both great athletes.

Anyways cricket or baseball?? whos the fittest?

hehe ^ oj