Do You Believe In GOD?

[MR-FQ320]

lol ok, thank you for the correction

[tramar]

Not at all

[DSM4Life]

Nope. People talk about a higher power and i kind of snicker. Why does there need to be a higher power ? Why a creator ? I will not get into this as deep as i did before because i really don't feel like it but religion was created to keep people "in check." If you ask me it did a pretty damn good job over the year but not anymore. A lot of people need to believe in heaven because they are that afraid of dying. It very difficult for the brain to understand infinity. People say, "thats easy its never ending" but how about of you apply it differently. How about when you die if you are infinity gone. The lights go out and you are never to exist again. That thinking sort of freaks people out.

[MR-FQ320]

religion was created to keep people "in check." If you ask me it did a pretty damn good job over the year but not anymore. A lot of people need to believe in heaven because they are that afraid of dying.

^^^^^^agree with this bit

its like saying your prayers, it gives people hope, a way of dealing with their problems

[Dont wanna be old]

I don't believe in any religion .
Not sure how this plays out , but I have seen evil . Not bad , but evil .
I understand the idea of ying and yang . It seems like there is always opposing forces or opposites .

The idea of religion brings peace for some so I understand the purpose . But with peace comes war also . Hence ying and yang .

Peace
Dont wanna be old

[BJJ]

iv read a couple of posts in particular @Flagg

yes its proven we evolved from apes but do you think the people of around 2011 years ago had the the intelligence to understand or figure that bit out ? c'mon

you know i reckon Jesus was ; a trickster , think about it, he was well ahead of his time, parting the red sea ? there is a natural phenomon that occurs where the red sea parts, jesus was just happy to take the plaudits for it. the virgin birth, now theres a story, id like to research that properly, but again not scientifically not possible.

I am christian, i believe in a god of some kind, but jesus ? pah

Really, show me the proof

[dec11]

god = fraud

religion = power, law, control and money.

religion is powerful tool to manipulate, i cant believe its actually still around in this day and age. in the Dark Ages ppl didnt know any better, whats the excuse now?

[Flagg]

I have a question for those with faith.

Do you think your God is proud of the human race today? Do you think he is proud of what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq? Do you think he's proud that even in the 21st Century, there are millions of people still starving in the world, despite the fact we produce enough food and fibre to feed and clothe everyone, 5 times over? Do you think he's proud of the fact that 100-1000 other species are going extinct, every year, because of us? That we murder each other, every single day?

Free will my arse. Would any of you allow your children to do any of the above to each other?

[BJJ]

god = fraud

religion = power, law, control and money.

religion is powerful tool to manipulate, i cant believe its actually still around in this day and age. in the Dark Ages ppl didnt know any better, whats the excuse now?

the "excuse" is still the same: fear

[dec11]

take this point from my own (born into) catholic religion:

know i cant rem the story, it was on a debate prog on tv afew years back, but one seminal point in the bible was in some discovered to be wrong so it was omitted from the 'storyline' by the powers that be.
i mean its like, sorry you've been believing that for years, but we've decided to now leave it out. fvck me, c'mon ppl!!! tht kinda says it all ffs

[dec11]

the "excuse" is still the same: fear

yep, falls under manipulation. 'do this do that or no heaven for you'. its as bad as tyrany

[Flagg]

take this point from my own (born into) catholic religion:

know i cant rem the story, it was on a debate prog on tv afew years back, but one seminal point in the bible was in some discovered to be wrong so it was omitted from the 'storyline' by the powers that be.
i mean its like, sorry you've been believing that for years, but we've decided to now leave it out. fvck me, c'mon ppl!!! tht kinda says it all ffs

You're not talking about children that hadn't been baptised going to limbo, where even their parents would never see them again? I think later on Catholicism said that wasn't true. There was another thing as well about a philiospher, I can never remember his name, but he theorised that the earth orbited the Sun, this was some time in the 16th Century, of course his view was declared heretical at the time and it was only in the 1990's that the Catholic Church said: "Okay, he was right and we were wrong".

It just seems to me that science and logical thinking will answer everything eventually and really, things like the Bible and Koran will become so much the stuff of fairy tales and mythology.

[dec11]

You're not talking about children that hadn't been baptised going to limbo, where even their parents would never see them again? I think later on Catholicism said that wasn't true. There was another thing as well about a philiospher, I can never remember his name, but he theorised that the earth orbited the Sun, this was some time in the 16th Century, of course his view was declared heretical at the time and it was only in the 1990's that the Catholic Church said: "Okay, he was right and we were wrong".

It just seems to me that science and logical thinking will answer everything everything and really, things like the Bible and Koran will become so much the stuff of fairy tales and mythology.

i think you're correct mate, that def rings a bell

[Times Roman]

I have no direct evidence that would suggest anything metaphysical.... not even a slight hint

[D7M]

take this point from my own (born into) catholic religion:

know i cant rem the story, it was on a debate prog on tv afew years back, but one seminal point in the bible was in some discovered to be wrong so it was omitted from the 'storyline' by the powers that be.
i mean its like, sorry you've been believing that for years, but we've decided to now leave it out. fvck me, c'mon ppl!!! tht kinda says it all ffs

You're not talking about children that hadn't been baptised going to limbo, where even their parents would never see them again? I think later on Catholicism said that wasn't true. There was another thing as well about a philiospher, I can never remember his name, but he theorised that the earth orbited the Sun, this was some time in the 16th Century, of course his view was declared heretical at the time and it was only in the 1990's that the Catholic Church said: "Okay, he was right and we were wrong".

It just seems to me that science and logical thinking will answer everything eventually and really, things like the Bible and Koran will become so much the stuff of fairy tales and mythology.

That wasn't in the Bible, nor was it dogma. Not even doctrine. It was simply a theological theory.

There was a time in history when many theologians were infra-lapsarians. Now, you'll be hard pressed to find many who hold that position. Doesn't mean the whole religion is bunk, it means theology as a science developed in time as people gained deeper understanding.

Faith evolves similar to science--there was once a time when Alchemy was a science.

I could continue with numerous examples of how scientific theories have changed throughout the centuries as well...does this mean all of science is rubbish as well?

It amazes me that a critique can be given without even a basic understanding of the issues.

It's similar to someone who has been conditioned by media propaganda coming on here and telling us that our penis' will shrink because we use AAS.

And of course we set him straight and tell him he needs more education.

[BJJ]

That wasn't in the Bible, nor was it dogma. Not even doctrine. It was simply a theological theory.

Faith evolves similar to science--there was once a time when Alchemy was a science.

It amazes me that a critique can be given without even a basic understanding of the issues.

It's similar to someone who has been conditioned by media propaganda coming on here and telling us that our penis' will shrink because we use AAS.

And of course we set him straight and tell him he needs more education.

^^^
Those words are just correct

[Hoggage_54]

[dec11]

That wasn't in the Bible, nor was it dogma. Not even doctrine. It was simply a theological theory.

Faith evolves similar to science--there was once a time when Alchemy was a science.

It amazes me that a critique can be given without even a basic understanding of the issues.

It's similar to someone who has been conditioned by media propaganda coming on here and telling us that our penis' will shrink because we use AAS.

And of course we set him straight and tell him he needs more education.

yeah, but it was a belief, wasnt it? sorry for my inaccurancy on where or how it was percieved, i never followed my religion closely because it bored me stupid as a child and i point blank didnt believe it as an adult. my point was if something has been a big belief for an age how can it suddenly be dismissed?
in my opinion they only decided to dismiss it to retain position in the popularity charts, i mean who wants to respect a religion that outcasts babies who's only crime was to die unbaptised?

[DSM4Life]

Zyzz is my God.

[D7M]

yeah, but it was a belief, wasnt it? sorry for my inaccurancy on where or how it was percieved, i never followed my religion closely because it bored me stupid as a child and i point blank didnt believe it as an adult. my point was if something has been a big belief for an age how can it suddenly be dismissed?
in my opinion they only decided to dismiss it to retain position in the popularity charts, i mean who wants to respect a religion that outcasts babies who's only crime was to die unbaptised?

Yah, it was a belief. But it was never authentically defined by the Church. So it was never a dogma or doctrine.

Many beliefs and theological opinions change over the years.

And like I said before, the same thing happens in the (empirical) scientific community.

I really don't see the difference.

[dec11]

Yah, it was a belief. But it was never authentically defined by the Church. So it was never a dogma or doctrine.

Many beliefs and theological opinions change over the years.

And like I said before, the same thing happens in the (empirical) scientific community.

I really don't see the difference.

yes but science is real, religion to me is not, its all based on 'belief' and 'faith'. i find it extremely hard to believe in something ive no proof of.

if someone wrote something similar to the bible now, they'd be put in a mental institution. if there's one god, why so many religions, can anybody answer this?

i first questioned all this at the age of 7 when a teacher beat me black and blue for refusing to go to mass every morning before school, i thought how can something apparently so good be so fearful? i never enjoyed it, it was somethin g i was always forced into following, until i was deemed old enough to make up my own mind.

[DSM4Life]

yes but science is real, religion to me is not, its all based on 'belief' and 'faith'. i find it extremely hard to believe in something ive no proof of.

if someone wrote something similar to the bible now, they'd be put in a mental institution. if there's one god, why so many religions, can anybody answer this?

i first questioned all this at the age of 7 when a teacher beat me black and blue for refusing to go to mass every morning before school, i thought how can something apparently so good be so fearful? i never enjoyed it, it was somethin g i was always forced into following, until i was deemed old enough to make up my own mind.

You can argue these points all day but you will get no where. When it comes down to it like most religions they are "faith based." You either have faith that its true or you don't. No if and's or buts about it. They will never have physically proof that jesus is real just as science will never have physical proof that Jesus didn't exist.

[BJJ]

yes but science is real, religion to me is not, its all based on 'belief' and 'faith'. i find it extremely hard to believe in something ive no proof of.

if someone wrote something similar to the bible now, they'd be put in a mental institution. if there's one god, why so many religions, can anybody answer this? Yes I can, they all come from the same root...

i first questioned all this at the age of 7 when a teacher beat me black and blue for refusing to go to mass every morning before school, i thought how can something apparently so good be so fearful? i never enjoyed it, it was somethin g i was always forced into following, until i was deemed old enough to make up my own mind.

Bold

[D7M]

yes but science is real, religion to me is not, its all based on 'belief' and 'faith'. i find it extremely hard to believe in something ive no proof of.
There's pleeenty of scientific "facts" that we don't have proof of. In fact, there are many that are just theories, but taken as fact.

if someone wrote something similar to the bible now, they'd be put in a mental institution.Eh, there's plenty of cults and new religions popping up every day. People are weird.

if there's one god, why so many religions, can anybody answer this?


i first questioned all this at the age of 7 when a teacher beat me black and blue for refusing to go to mass every morning before school, i thought how can something apparently so good be so fearful? i never enjoyed it, it was somethin g i was always forced into following, until i was deemed old enough to make up my own mind.Yah, most kids have religion forced on them by their parents, and most kids do not enjoy it. I had it forced on me too, and hated it as a kid.

^^^^bolds.

[D7M]

You can argue these points all day but you will get no where. When it comes down to it like most religions they are "faith based." You either have faith that its true or you don't. No if and's or buts about it. They will never have physically proof that jesus is real just as science really have physical proof that Jesus didn't exist.

"Science" has proof that Jesus didn't exist?

[BJJ]

You can argue these points all day but you will get no where. When it comes down to it like most religions they are "faith based." You either have faith that its true or you don't. No if and's or buts about it. They will never have physically proof that jesus is real just as science really have physical proof that Jesus didn't exist.

But we have physical proof that ancient skeletons (with our dimension) were on this planet before the Neanderthalian even showed up.
Common people know what they need to know and believe what their brains are setup to believe.
It is a matter of domination.

PS
I am glad you speak sometimes...

[SlimJoe]

No I don't

[DSM4Life]

"Science" has proof that Jesus didn't exist?

They will never have physically proof that jesus is real just as science will never have physical proof that Jesus didn't exist.

[DSM4Life]

But we have physical proof that ancient skeletons (with our dimension) were on this planet before the Neanderthalian even showed up.
Common people know what they need to know and believe what their brains are setup to believe.
It is a matter of domination.

PS
I am glad you speak sometimes...

Believing what our brains are set up to believe can be a negative. If people never learned to "think outside the box" where would society be today ? Certainly not as advanced as we are now.

I am a realist so i do believe science but i will give others a chance to try and prove me wrong. My thinking on the matter, was there a great man that was named Jesus that did great things a long time ago ? Sure i could believe that. Does he posses all these crazy powers ? No way in hell (pun intended).

[dec11]

^^^^bolds.

yeah, plenty pop up, what reception do they receive? why are the mainstreams so popular and trusted then? it was not the fact i was a kid tht i thought what i did, its just an example of what religion is, domination and fear. we could go around in circles all day here, i just think the notion of a 'god' of crazy, as believable as santa claus (sorry spring breakers)
its a never ending debate im afraid, my friend

[D7M]

They will never have physically proof that jesus is real just as science will never have physical proof that Jesus didn't exist.

Proving Christ's historical existence is easy.

Hell, we have plenty of non-Biblical accounts from both Jewish and secular historians about his existence.

It's not a matter of proving his historical existence so much as it is a question of his divinity.

[DSM4Life]

Proving Christ's historical existence is easy.

Hell, we have plenty of non-Biblical accounts from both Jewish and secular historians about his existence.

It's not a matter of proving his historical existence so much as it is a question of his divinity.

Again i stand by reply #69

.....was there a great man that was named Jesus that did great things a long time ago ? Sure i could believe that. Does he posses all these crazy powers ? No way in hell (pun intended).

[marcus300]

I'm loving this debate guys, keep it coming

[D7M]

Again i stand by reply #69

.....was there a great man that was named Jesus that did great things a long time ago ? Sure i could believe that. Does he posses all these crazy powers ? No way in hell (pun intended).

Righto...didn't see that when I posted

I'm loving this debate guys, keep it coming

I would, but they aren't really offering me much of a challenge.

[BJJ]

Believing what our brains are set up to believe can be a negative. If people never learned to "think outside the box" where would society be today ? Certainly not as advanced as we are now. advanced? compared to who you decleare yourself advanced? wonder this instead: how is it possible that the entire humanity lived with wagons and horses for centuries and then suddenly by the middle of 1700 we started to develop the idea of industries and less then 100 years from then the internal-combustion engine showed up? not to remaind you what happened with Da Vinci just to name one by the end of 1400? Open your eyes people, everything is a setup

I am a realist so i do believe science but i will give others a chance to try and prove me wrong. My thinking on the matter, was there a great man that was named Jesus that did great things a long time ago ? Sure i could believe that. Does he posses all these crazy powers ? No way in hell (pun intended).

bold

[dec11]

Righto...didn't see that when I posted



I would, but they aren't really offering me much of a challenge.

oh yes we are. as i said its never ending if one side cant prove the other wrong, which we cant. you can give a thousand reasons to believe, we can give a thousand not to

[BJJ]

oh yes we are. as i said its never ending if one side cant prove the other wrong, which we cant. you can give a thousand reasons to believe, we can give a thousand not to

Sorry but what is the question here?

[DSM4Life]

bold

Is there a question for me here ?

[D7M]

oh yes we are. as i said its never ending if one side cant prove the other wrong, which we cant. you can give a thousand reasons to believe, we can give a thousand not to

I'm more egging you guys on than anything, I'm honestly not trying to convince anyone of anything.

[dec11]

the country i grew up in is a good example of why religions are wrong, people hating other people for no other reason than religion being used as a weapon to control.