best guard/defence dog

**gbrice75** · 04-22-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

you've swayed me, thanks a mill for the info mate. a presa its gona be

NICE man! We want pics ASAP - these guys are gorgeous!!

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by gbrice75

NICE man! We want pics ASAP - these guys are gorgeous!!

wont be until i move from my present address sometime before summer ends, limited room here esp for 3 dogs!

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by stack_it

I'm surprised no one has mentioned a rottweiller. Rotts look mean and Are great guard dogs. Also very loyal and loving to it's owners.

Rotties are good dogs, but breeding is always an issue with these dogs (similar to pit bulls and english bulldogs). There are always some issues with Rotties because of breeding (hip problems, eye problems, tumors, skin issues, etc.). As big a fan as I am of these dogs, I wouldn't risk getting one unless it came from a reputable German breeder.

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

you've swayed me, thanks a mill for the info mate. a presa its gona be

No problem, brotha!!! One other caveat, while they are large dogs, they have better than avg. life expectancies. Properly maintained, the average lifespan is in the 14-15yr range instead of the normal 10-12yrs associated with big dogs.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-22-2011, 03:03 PM

No way I would trust a preso around kids but if you don't have any they're your best bet IMO.

I've had a bull mastiff for 8 years now - she's amazing. Mine's about 125lbs and appears to be lazy and lethargic until something gets her riled, she becomes amazingly fast and agile and athletic. I've watched her do some amazing things for being as big as she is.

Extremely protective of everyone in my family, especially my young kids. We joke that she thinks my kids are hers. They ride her, poke and prod her all over and she loves it. When anyone comes over she ALWAYS stands between the guest and her family. We didn't teach her this, she just does it by nature. She does not tolerate any people or other animals coming on our property without our knowing.

2 negatives: massive amounts of slober, and as protective as she is, she's not the most alert of the guard type dogs, mostly just when she's asleep.

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 03:03 PM

I might get a Presa too...looking for another dog or even 2 more since my dog loves dogs plus he could handle this Presa easily....he already has a couple pit friends and rott friends and even plays with a.....I kid you not.

Unless someone else chimes in here with a better idea.....would love to hear about more....

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

No way I would trust a preso around kids but if you don't have any they're your best bet IMO.

I've had a bull mastiff for 8 years now - she's amazing. Mine's about 125lbs and appears to be lazy and lethargic until something gets her riled, she becomes amazingly fast and agile and athletic. I've watched her do some amazing things for being as big as she is.

Extremely protective of everyone in my family, especially my young kids. We joke that she thinks my kids are hers. They ride her, poke and prod her all over and she loves it. When anyone comes over she ALWAYS stands between the guest and her family. We didn't teach her this, she just does it by nature. She does not tolerate any people or other animals coming on our property without our knowing.

2 negatives: massive amounts of slober, and as protective as she is, she's not the most alert of the guard type dogs, mostly just when she's asleep.

Why wouldn't you trust a presa around children? Absolutely ZERO evidence of them attacking children.

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

I might get a Presa too...looking for another dog or even 2 more since my dog loves dogs plus he could handle this Presa easily....he already has a couple pit friends and rott friends and even plays with a *****....I kid you not.

Unless someone else chimes in here with a better idea.....would love to hear about more....

I wouldn't recommend you getting a presa male, regardless of the temperment of your current dog.

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

I wouldn't recommend you getting a presa male, regardless of the temperment of your current dog.

Agreed.....I already decided that! This male is enough, believe me.

What is so unique about the Presa? They look like a Pit?

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Agreed.....I already decided that! This male is enough, believe me.

What is so unique about the Presa? They look like a Pit?

They look like a pit on steriods ! LOL!!! They are unique in the fact that they have to protective instinct, power and presence of a pit or large mastiff-type breed, but they possess the intelligence of a german shepherd, and the temperment of a beagle. LOL!!!

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 03:22 PM

How much attention do they need and what are the negatives, if any, please?

**JasonCFT** · 04-22-2011, 03:25 PM

I have a St. Bernard that hates people. Best watch dog so far. Great around my own kids, very protective

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-22-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Why wouldn't you trust a presa around children? Absolutely ZERO evidence of them attacking children.

My sister's neighbor had one. They are truly an amazing breed. The neighbors ended up having to get rid of it b/c it was showing aggression to their kid. I think it was probably because they had the dog before the kid was born and the preso never viewed the kid as part of the family. I wasn't saying that they have an unstable temperament like some other breeds do.

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 03:30 PM

As puppies, they are quite destructive. Hell they are quite destructive at any age. Mine is 8yrs old. We have to keep things for him to chew on or he will chew up just about anything. Keep in mind, you can't give them regular chew toys, they will destroy them in a matter of seconds. My dog has an car tire he chews on and there is a brand of dog toys called KONG that are pretty much indestructible.

They require lots of attention as puppies. You have to establish their place in the 'pack'. They require firm discipline. Unlike Pits whoa are usually one owner dogs, Presas can and will take orders from multiple family members. If you get a male, be sure that if you have a husband or boyfriend, that they quickly establish themselves as the alpha male, otherwise, your presa will consider himself the alpha.

Leash train them early or you'll be pulled around like a rag doll. These dogs are used in pulling contest all the time and have the power to pull vehicles by themselves. And finally, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE!!! lol!!! They eat a lot, medical issues (though few and far between if you get them from a reputable breeder), etc.

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 03:35 PM

Well.....thanks...I need to re-think this then. The chewing as an adult? would drive me bonkers....

**BgMc31** · 04-22-2011, 03:45 PM

LOL!! Yeah, its manageable though. Like I said, as long as they have their own toys they are fine. Believe it or not, they know what's theirs and what isn't. For instance my boy won't play with the boxer or maltese's toys, unless given to him.

But they are designed to bite, so they need to have some type of constant working of their jaws. Kinda like having a greyhound who likes to run.

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

No way I would trust a preso around kids but if you don't have any they're your best bet IMO.

I've had a bull mastiff for 8 years now - she's amazing. Mine's about 125lbs and appears to be lazy and lethargic until something gets her riled, she becomes amazingly fast and agile and athletic. I've watched her do some amazing things for being as big as she is.

Extremely protective of everyone in my family, especially my young kids. We joke that she thinks my kids are hers. They ride her, poke and prod her all over and she loves it. When anyone comes over she ALWAYS stands between the guest and her family. We didn't teach her this, she just does it by nature. She does not tolerate any people or other animals coming on our property without our knowing.

2 negatives: massive amounts of slober, and as protective as she is, she's not the most alert of the guard type dogs, mostly just when she's asleep.

my partner and i are in our mid to late 30's and have no desire for kids, so no prob there. i think tht also depends on socialisation, a complete oxymoron would be the dal i had, he detested kids, his hair would prick on sight of a kid, big friendly cartoon dog my ass, and of course evry kid in the town would flock towards him, and im like 'no, no, run away' lol

it would be a purely outdoors dog so the slobber wouldnt really bother me at all

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 04:05 PM

I also do not want to be pulled down the street either. I am not sure what I will get.

But a great idea for the right person. THANKS!

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

As puppies, they are quite destructive. Hell they are quite destructive at any age. Mine is 8yrs old. We have to keep things for him to chew on or he will chew up just about anything. Keep in mind, you can't give them regular chew toys, they will destroy them in a matter of seconds. My dog has an car tire he chews on and there is a brand of dog toys called KONG that are pretty much indestructible.

They require lots of attention as puppies. You have to establish their place in the 'pack'. They require firm discipline. Unlike Pits whoa are usually one owner dogs, Presas can and will take orders from multiple family members. If you get a male, be sure that if you have a husband or boyfriend, that they quickly establish themselves as the alpha male, otherwise, your presa will consider himself the alpha.

Leash train them early or you'll be pulled around like a rag doll. These dogs are used in pulling contest all the time and have the power to pull vehicles by themselves. And finally, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE!!! lol!!! They eat a lot, medical issues (though few and far between if you get them from a reputable breeder), etc.

just when you mention that, i have read about a breeder in ireland whos main stud presa is officially irelands strongest dog!

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

just when you mention that, i have read about a breeder in ireland whos main stud presa is officially irelands strongest dog!

Sounds like a perfect match to me!

Dec and Presa

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Sounds like a perfect match to me!

Dec and Presa

at least one of us would be the country's strongest

**bruary17** · 04-22-2011, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

id love a harlequin dane but as you say not really a guard dog

Dec11, you need to include presa canarios on your list. Google them, they're wild dogs found off on the canary islands, off the coast of Spain. They've been domesticated, they look like pitbulls on steroids , bug strong, think boned and big block heads. Awesome Gaurd dogs.

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 04:13 PM

and you are hoping....YOU.....meaning the country's strongest......

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by bruary17

Dec11, you need to include presa canarios on your list. Google them, they're wild dogs found off on the canary islands, off the coast of Spain. They've been domesticated, they look like pitbulls on steroids, bug strong, think boned and big block heads. Awesome Gaurd dogs.

yeah bgmc has been filling me in on em, looks like thats what i'll go for. they are just the same as the corso, just from a dif region but strangely they are like 500 euros cheaper to buy

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

and you are hoping....YOU

haha, im too old and injured now my dear

**SlimmerMe** · 04-22-2011, 04:17 PM

^^^ not so....

**BUTTERYGOODNESS** · 04-22-2011, 04:20 PM

CAUCASIAN MOUNTAIN DOG

Soviet Union used them as guard dogs and others used them to kill bears lol

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by BUTTERYGOODNESS

CAUCASIAN MOUNTAIN DOG

Soviet Union used them as guard dogs and others used them to kill bears lol

yeah had a look at images of one yday, fvckin fearsome looking thing, looks like a lion from some shots, a bit overkill lol

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

^^^ not so....

fix me up nurse slim, hope thats a cortisone injection you have there

**BUTTERYGOODNESS** · 04-22-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

yeah had a look at images of one yday, fvckin fearsome looking thing, looks like a lion from some shots, a bit overkill lol

lol that may be, but wouldnt u rather be overkill then having sub-par that might not do the job. Instead have something you know 110% will do the job

and with extreme prejudice!

Just like when buying something at the store, you buy the industrial grade, you know it will work and continue to work, where as the lower quality things will eventually break down or not measure up.

**JJ78** · 04-22-2011, 04:51 PM

If you can get your hands on a good bloodline caine corso. You will not find a better guard/watch dog. My buddy has one , and as soon as he brought it home at 3 months That dog would post up on his front porch and just watch. Never had to train him really. the dog would never runaway. He would just protect him and his family. He grew up to be about 120-130 and lean and athletic

Blue eyeys grey coat ****in beautiful. He had the narlyiest veins on his body

**JJ78** · 04-22-2011, 05:04 PM

he actually got his from James Gandolfini(Tony Soprano) He breeds them.

**JJ78** · 04-22-2011, 05:04 PM

His name was Felony.

**cro** · 04-22-2011, 05:07 PM

chow /husky mix was the most loyal and protective dog that i ever owned .it would sleep right next to the door.

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by BUTTERYGOODNESS

lol that may be, but wouldnt u rather be overkill then having sub-par that might not do the job. Instead have something you know 110% will do the job

and with extreme prejudice!

Just like when buying something at the store, you buy the industrial grade, you know it will work and continue to work, where as the lower quality things will eventually break down or not measure up.

the mastiff varieties arent exactly poodles either lol

**Shol'va** · 04-22-2011, 05:16 PM

The heck with the dogs, just get you a pissed off Bear.

**dec11** · 04-22-2011, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

The heck with the dogs, just get you a pissed off Bear.

or as a certain notorious belfast loyalist paramilitary had, two diamond back rattlesnakes in his front porch for any republican assassins attempting to burst in on him! thats extreme fvckin security!!

**gbrice75** · 04-22-2011, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

there is a brand of dog toys called KONG that are pretty much indestructible.

Lmao, unless you're my pit, then even Kong's don't stand a chance. Those, and the frame of my house. Fvcker chewed right through the walls of my basement down and into the wood beams... chipped his tooth on a framing nail and everything... severe separation anxiety SUCKS!

Originally Posted by BUTTERYGOODNESS

CAUCASIAN MOUNTAIN DOG

Man, that's not a dog, that's the bear Shol'va just posted about!

**kalspic** · 04-22-2011, 08:44 PM

what i would give for my old dog back. he was a good guard dog. he made sure no other dogs took his treats or slept on his blankets

**Far from massive** · 04-22-2011, 09:19 PM

I would say that unless a guard dog has been well trained as such it is of little value to actually stop a thief. Most are carrying weapons and untrained dogs will bark and give away there position and can often be maced, poisoned, shot, tricked into a room, etc. So the value is as a detterent but most importantly to comfort the female and provide a sense of security and give advanced warning to the occupants of the house so they can take action themselves. That said when it comes to perception ( both the wife and the crook) size is often the first thing people see 100-165 lbs and 3 ft at the withers, so it may be hard to beat a Kangal.

They were bred as sheep gaurd dog and reportedly can fend off a pack of wolves pretty well.