Bin Laden Dead

[Times Roman]

That was the last interview Benazir Bhutto (if you dont know who she was look it up) had before she got assassinated.

In an interview with David Frost, Benazir Bhutto claimed that Osama Bin Laden had been killed and she herself was assassinated not long after the interview.

Bhutto said to David Frost “Yes but one of them is a very key figure in security, he is a former military officer … and had dealings with Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama bin Laden“.

Two seprate events A and B.

Do have any hard data supporting the linkage of the two events?

If NOT, then a baseless comment.

If YES, and from a reputable source other than some no name fringe rag, I'd like to see it.

[Public Enemy]

Do Saddam's sons and Zarqawi really carry the same global weight as Osama bin Laden has done for a decade... No. Not at all. Not even close.

You have to remember this is a global terrorist that has been on the run for 10+ years and is responsible for multiple terrorist attacks, some on US soil, Africa and across EUR. If he didnt direct them, the idiots that carried out the attacks were certainly inspired by his ideology.

Okay, was Saddam? Because Saddam's reign of terror blows Bin Laden away. Saddam Hussein was x10 the terrorist and political figure then Osama was. So we all saw Saddam being humiliated and hanged, and afterwards his body was recorded with a hole behind his neck. And not only that but he was hung on the Islamic holiday Eid al-Adha. Did Muslims go crazy all of the world? Were people mourning this? Because a hanged Muslim man on Eid al-Adha is much more offensive then some asshole who killed so many being shown with a bullet in his head.

Zarqawi had more influence in the war in Iraq then Bin laden, his group was notorious and took credit for many bombings. Yet his death pictures had no affect on anyone.

If he was given a burial, it would turn into a shrine, its pretty simple. So disposing of him at sea avoids that entirely.

Then how come Saddam was okey'ed for a ground burial? I am not even saying Bin Laden should be buried on land. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. I don't care if he is flown out of the Earth and blown up in space. What I simply wanted is for him to be treated exactly the same like the past dead militants and terrorists. That is, forensic anthropologists having access to his remains from where ever country they come from and telling us "This man is Bin Laden". That would have officially shut the door on conspiracists and doubt. But instead we are simply "told that he is dead".

Him being disposed of at sea is "the official line", but he could certainly now be in a freezer somewhere.

Why keep his body for 5,6,7,10,11, 30 days, it will only anger the Muslims that have supported him or his ideology even further? The US cannot win either way.

Oh my god, you seriously thing Muslims care if his body was held for even 10 years? Again, I keep telling you that when a Muslim dies, there is no dead line on when to bury his body! I have yet attended a funeral where the dead person was dead for only 24 hours or less.

1. He's disposed of in the ocean in 24 hours (official line)

Conspiracy theorists = Bullshit. Why bury him at sea? Why in 24 hours?

Muslims/Supporters = Its not in Islamic tradition. Why at sea? Why in 24 hours?

2. Keep his body for days/weeks/months.

Conspiracy theorists = Its fake. Why havent they buried him in accordance with Islamic tradition?

Muslims/Supporters = The USA is not respecting ALL Muslims. Why wasnt he buried inland? More hatred towards West.

Have you read the news lately from the Middle East? More clerics and scholars are saying that it was more offensive to bury him in the sea then anything else. There is nothing more offensive then that. So if any Muslim claims that it is offensive to keep his body for days or weeks, is either 1. Very uneducated in what he himself/herself believes in. or 2. Is looking for a reason to hate America. And I doubt conspiracy theorists would complain about him not being buried according to Islamic tradition. The key Islamic traditions have ALREADY BEEN BROKEN with decided to let him go in the sea. Why do people keep ignoring this??? The reality is that this has absolutely nothing to do with "Islamic tradition". Taking a dead body that passed on land to be thrown on sea is anything but Islamic. So why the hell do they keep saying "Oh we had to follow Islamic tradition!"... NO you didn't have to... and you didn't. Anyone smart enough to think for themselves and research knows that this is incredibly hypocritical.

The United States doesn't have to respect Muslims by burying a dead terrorist leader. Nobody really cares. I don't care. The people in the mosque down the street don't care. Nobody could give a damn. So your telling me that if a Al Qaeda dude was watching CNN and he heard the news you are telling me he would abandon his terrorist plot because "Osama was given a proper burial!"??? NO! If he is a terrorist, he will be a asshole and blow something up because Bin laden got killed in the first place... not because of how he was buried. This is the shit I am talking about, people REFUSE TO THINK. Omg god forbid they didn't bury him according to Muslim tradition!!!!!

The truth is that Muslims do not really give a damn about what happens to Bin Laden's remains. He is no different then that retard Saddam.

Whether or not he's thousands of feet under the ocean, or in a freezer, they WILL release the photo's and recording of his burial, I am almost certain. But it is too raw now, it maybe be days, weeks, but they will surface.

Stating alone his corpse was disposed of in 24hours is a pretty clever line IMHO anyhow. Let alone in the sea. Obama and his closest advisor's are far from idiots and this would have been well planned and thought out.

Mate, I am just saying the 24 hour story is a pathetic excuse to let down hundreds of millions of people. This whole death story is idiotic in every ****ing way.

[RaginCajun]

just want yall to know that i saw/heard that the director of the hurt locker is already coming up with a movie about taking out bin laden.

and i don't know if he resisted, but they did shoot him in the face!

[Public Enemy]

there are many facets of (almost?) every religion. Every sect interprets their doctrine a little differently. This is why the protestants broke off on their own. Still Christians. Yet seperate from Catholics. This is the evolution of religion.

I am a little concerened that YOUR interpretation, and others here, you feel is universally accepted by ALL Muslims? So you are saying all 1.6billion Muslims are in total agreement about thier religion, and are in "lock step" so to speak?

Am I understanding this correctly?

NO SECT HAS A WRITTEN VERSE OR LINE OF 24 HOUR BURIAL! Do you understand that mate? You can read every line of the Quran or Sunnah or Islamic ideology, nothing is mentioned about some specific time period of 24 hours. The only people who might follow a quick burial are people living in poor conditions in deserted societies. You can go to the library or ask a Muslim friend about a book on Islamic law on burial and if you find any line about 24 hours that is supported by Sharia law, I will agree with you. But that is not the case. It doesn't exist. But this media keeps saying that it is "Islamic law", no it ISN'T. That is what I am trying to explain. Bin Laden could have been buried days after, just like Saddam's sons. Nobody would have cared.

So since it is not supported by Islamic law, why do these people on the news keep saying the same ****ing opposite? That is the entire issue here. Even people who follow the tradition of quick burial in some Arab places do not refer to it as "The 24-hour rule". But again, if I am wrong, I want something out of Sharia law or Quran etc that proves me wrong. But you won't find it because the 24 hour theory is a joke. Ask anybody you know to provide you with a verse about it, they won't be able to because there is no such thing. I have looked, and it is nowhere mentioned.

[Public Enemy]

Why is this line of him "being buried at sea in 24hours" being stated by the USA then?

Well the USA also stated that Iraq had WMDs, we all know how that turned out... 4,400 American lives being lost for what Bush refers to as "a mistake". Did anyone pay for those lives being lost? Did anyone even apologize?

[DSM4Life]

He has been spotted today !

[Swifto]

NO SECT HAS A WRITTEN VERSE OR LINE OF 24 HOUR BURIAL! Do you understand that mate? You can read every line of the Quran or Sunnah or Islamic ideology, nothing is mentioned about some specific time period of 24 hours. The only people who might follow a quick burial are people living in poor conditions in deserted societies. You can go to the library or ask a Muslim friend about a book on Islamic law on burial and if you find any line about 24 hours that is supported by Sharia law, I will agree with you. But that is not the case. It doesn't exist. But this media keeps saying that it is "Islamic law", no it ISN'T. That is what I am trying to explain. Bin Laden could have been buried days after, just like Saddam's sons. Nobody would have cared.

So since it is not supported by Islamic law, why do these people on the news keep saying the same ****ing opposite? That is the entire issue here. Even people who follow the tradition of quick burial in some Arab places do not refer to it as "The 24-hour rule". But again, if I am wrong, I want something out of Sharia law or Quran etc that proves me wrong. But you won't find it because the 24 hour theory is a joke. Ask anybody you know to provide you with a verse about it, they won't be able to because there is no such thing. I have looked, and it is nowhere mentioned.

So why an earth have the Americans stated its "Islamic Law" with this "24hour burial" line? Because its easiest for EVERYONE to believe?

Where do you think his body is then?

Do you think he's even dead?

[calgarian]

So why an earth have the Americans stated its "Islamic Law" with this "24hour burial" line? Because its easiest for EVERYONE to believe?(yes ppl will believe almost everything Media will tell them)

Where do you think his body is then?(US GOT it for a LONG time)

Do you think he's even dead?For quite sometime actually

I know u asked PE.......but here is what i think.

The only reason I think they have done it to boost the Obama rating and AGAIN to play with innocent ppls emotions.

[calgarian]

Two seprate events A and B.

Do have any hard data supporting the linkage of the two events?

If NOT, then a baseless comment.

If YES, and from a reputable source other than some no name fringe rag, I'd like to see it.

That right there is some Irrogant comment and tells me how much research do you do in any matter. If you had done your research there is no way you will made this comment.

[DSM4Life]

If Foxnews reports it, it must be true.

[Times Roman]

NO SECT HAS A WRITTEN VERSE OR LINE OF 24 HOUR BURIAL! Do you understand that mate? You can read every line of the Quran or Sunnah or Islamic ideology, nothing is mentioned about some specific time period of 24 hours. The only people who might follow a quick burial are people living in poor conditions in deserted societies. You can go to the library or ask a Muslim friend about a book on Islamic law on burial and if you find any line about 24 hours that is supported by Sharia law, I will agree with you. But that is not the case. It doesn't exist. But this media keeps saying that it is "Islamic law", no it ISN'T. That is what I am trying to explain. Bin Laden could have been buried days after, just like Saddam's sons. Nobody would have cared.

So since it is not supported by Islamic law, why do these people on the news keep saying the same ****ing opposite? That is the entire issue here. Even people who follow the tradition of quick burial in some Arab places do not refer to it as "The 24-hour rule". But again, if I am wrong, I want something out of Sharia law or Quran etc that proves me wrong. But you won't find it because the 24 hour theory is a joke. Ask anybody you know to provide you with a verse about it, they won't be able to because there is no such thing. I have looked, and it is nowhere mentioned.

Who said it had to be written down? Are you saying the entire culture/tradition of the Muslim religion has to be written down inthe Koran?

There are many Christian customs/traditions not written down in the bible.

[Times Roman]

That right there is some Irrogant comment and tells me how much research do you do in any matter. If you had done your research there is no way you will made this comment.

Again, you are making a suggestion that my comment is linked to a lack of research.

I'm going to pull a Cal here...

Prove I didn't do my home work, and prove that the fine publication you are citing IS a main stream publication that adheres to journalistic principals, such as citing two independent sources prior to publishing an article?

[calgarian]

Who said it had to be written down? Are you saying the entire culture/tradition of the Muslim religion has to be written down inthe Koran?

There are many Christian customs/traditions not written down in the bible.

so now the statement changed from Religious to tradition? culture? the reason it is culture cause most poor ppl cant afford to take bodies into the cold storage and dead body start to smell if stayed longer then 24 hrs. dont tell me US govt couldnt find a storage room.

[calgarian]

Again, you are making a suggestion that my comment is linked to a lack of research.

I'm going to pull a Cal here...

Prove I didn't do my home work, and prove that the fine publication you are citing IS a main stream publication that adheres to journalistic principals, such as citing two independent sources prior to publishing an article?

For me she was/is credible who would be credible for you US govt????

[DSM4Life]

This is so entertaining to read. *Sips coffee

[calgarian]

here are the ratings just keep an eye on these ratings

[Public Enemy]

Who said it had to be written down? Are you saying the entire culture/tradition of the Muslim religion has to be written down inthe Koran?

There are many Christian customs/traditions not written down in the bible.

Yes, it must be written down, otherwise it has no credibility. And no, the Quran isn't the only source of information. The three sources include 1. Quran, 2. Sunnah, 3. Hadith. Since all three do not say a word about having to bury a body 24 hours, it is not a obligation and it holds no significance and is not a part of Islamic law, like the media keeps trying to beat into our heads.

[Times Roman]

so now the statement changed from Religious to tradition? culture? the reason it is culture cause most poor ppl cant afford to take bodies into the cold storage and dead body start to smell if stayed longer then 24 hrs. dont tell me US govt couldnt find a storage room.

damned if we do, damned if we don't, is that it?

ya can't please everybody all the time.

Time will tell. Soon the videos and pics will be released. I will refrain from further comment on this subject until that time.

[DSM4Life]

I found this : http://www.al-islam.org/laws/

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

626. * If a non-Muslim woman dies with a dead child, or soulless foetus in her womb, and if the father is a Muslim then the woman should be laid in the grave on her left side with her back towards Qibla, so that the face of the child is towards Qibla.

627. It is not permitted to bury a Muslim in the graveyard of the non-Muslims, nor to bury a non-Muslim in the graveyard of the Muslims.

628. It is also not permissible to bury the dead body of a Muslim at a place which is disrespectful, like places where garbage is thrown.

629. It is not permissible to bury a dead body in a usurped place nor in a place which is dedicated for purposes other than burial (e.g. in a Masjid).

630. * It is not permissible to dig up a grave for the purpose of burying another dead body in it, unless one is sure that the grave is very old and the former body has been totally disintegrated.

631. * Anything which is separated from the dead body (even its hair, nail or tooth) should be buried along with it. And if any part of the body, including hair, nails or teeth are found after the body has been buried, they should be buried at a separate place, as per obligatory precaution. And it is Mustahab that nails and teeth cut off or extracted during lifetime are also buried.

632. If a person dies in a well and it is not possible to take him out, the well should be sealed, and the well should be treated as his grave.

633. If a child dies in its mother's womb and its remaining in the womb is dangerous for the mother, it should be brought out in the easiest possible way. If it becomes inevitable to cut it into pieces there is no objection in doing so. It is, however, better that if the husband of the woman is skilled in surgery the dead body of the child should be taken out by him, and failing that, the job should be performed by a skilled woman. And if that is not available, a skilled surgeon who is the mahram (one with whom marriage cannot be contracted) of the woman should do it. And if even that is not available a skilled man who is not mahram (one with whom marriage can be contracted) should remove the dead child. And if even such a person is not available the dead body can be brought out by any unskilled person.

634. If a woman dies and there is a living child in her womb, it should be brought out in the safest possible way, even if there be no hope for the child's survival. The body of the mother should then be sewn up.

Mustahab Acts of Dafn

635. It is Mustahab that the depth of the grave should be approximately equal to the size of an average person and the dead body be buried in the nearest graveyard, except when the graveyard which is situated farther is better due to some reasons, like if pious persons are buried there or people go there in large number for Fateha.

It is also recommended that the coffin is placed on the ground a few yards away from the grave and then taken to the grave by halting three times briefly. It should be placed on the ground every time and then lifted before finally it is lowered into the grave at the 4th time. And if the dead body is of a male, it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time in such a manner that its head should be towards the lower side of the grave and at the 4th time it should be lowered into the grave from the side of its head. And if the dead body is of a female it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time towards the Qibla and should be lowered into the grave sidewise and a cloth should be spread over the grave while lowering it. It is also Mustahab that the dead body should be taken out of the coffin and lowered into the grave very gently, and the prescribed supplications should be recited before and during burying the dead body; and after the dead body has been lowered into the niche, the ties of its shroud should be unfastened and its cheek should be placed on earth, and an earthen pillow should be done up under its head and some unbacked bricks or lumps of clay should be placed behind its back so that the dead body may not return flat on its back. Before closing the niche, the person reciting the talqin should hold with his right hand the right shoulder of the dead body and should place his left hand tightly on its left shoulder and take his mouth near its ear and shaking its shoulders should say thrice: Isma' ifham ya .......here the name of the dead person and his father should be called. For example, if the name of the dead person is Muhammad and his father's name 'Ali it should be said thrice: Isma 'ifham ya Muhammad bin 'Ali. And then he should say: Hal anta 'alal 'ahdil lazi farqtana 'alayhi min shahadati an la ilaha illal lahu wahdahu la sharika lah wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi 'abduhu wa Rasuluhu wa sayyidun nabiyyina wa khatamul mursalina wa anna 'Aliyyan Amirul mu'minina wa sayyidul wasiyyina wa imamu nif tarazallahu ta'tahu 'alal 'alamina wa annal Hasana wal Husayna wa 'Aliyyabnal Husayni wa Muhammadabna 'Aliyyin wa Ja'farabna Muhammadin wa Musabna Ja'farin wa 'Aliyyabna Musa wa Muhammadabna'Aliyyin wa 'Aliyyabna Muhammadin wal Hasanabna 'Aliyyin wal Qa'imal hujjatal Mahdi salawatullahi 'alayhim a'i'mmatul mu'minina wa hujajullahi'alal khalqi ajma'ina wa a'immatuka a'immatu hudan abrar ya ........(here the name of the dead person and his father should be called) and then the following words should be said: Iza atakal malakanil muqarraabani Rasulayni min 'indillahi tabaraka wa ta'ala wa sa'alaka 'an Rabbika wa 'an Nabiyyika wa 'an dinika wa 'an Kitabika wa 'an Qiblatika wa 'an A'immatika fala takhaf wa la tahzan wa'qul fi jawabi hima, Allahu Rabbi wa Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi nabiyyi wal Islamu dini wal Qur'anu kitabi wal Ka'batu Qiblati wa Amirul mu'minina 'Aliyybnu Abi Talib imami wal Hasanubnu 'Aliyyi nil Mujtaba imami wal Husaynubnu 'Aliyyi nish-shahidu bi-Karbala imami wa 'Aliyyun Zaynul 'Abidina imami wa Muhammadu nil Baqiru imami wa Ja'faru nis Sadiqu imami wa Musal Kazimu imami wa 'Aliyyu-nir Riza imami wa Muhammadu nil Jawadu imami wa 'Aliyyu nil Hadi imami wal Hasanul 'askari imami wal Hujjatul muntazar imami ha ula'i salawatullahi 'alayhim ajma'in A'i'mmati wa sadati wa qadati wa shufa-a'i bihim atawalla wa min a'daihim atabarra'u fid dunya wal akhirati thumma i'lam ya ....... here the name of the dead person and his father should be called and thereafter it should be said: Annal laha tabaraka wa ta'ala ni'mar-Rabb wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi ni'mar Rasul wa anna 'Aliyyabna Abi Talib wa awladahul ma'suminal A'i'mmatal ithna 'asharah ni'mal A'i'mmah wa anna ma ja'a bihi Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi haqqun wa annal mawta haqqun wa suwala munkarin wa nakirin fil qabri haqqun wal ba'tha haqqun wan nushura haqqun wassirata haqqun wal mizana haqqun wa tatayiral kutubi haqqun wa annal jannata haqqun wan-nara haqqun wa annas sa'ata a'tiyatun la rayba fiha wa annallaha yab'athu man fil qubur. Then the following words should be said: Afahimta ya .... (here the name of the dead person should be called) and thereafter the following should be said: Thabbatakallahu bil qawlith thabit wa hadakallahu ila siratim mustaqim 'arrafallahu baynaka wa bayna awliya'ika fi mustaqarrim min rahmatih. Then the following words should be uttered: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jambayhi vas'ad biruhihi ilayka wa laqqihi minka burhana Alla humma 'afwaka 'afwaka.

636. It is recommended that the person who lowers the dead body in the grave should be Pak, bare-headed and bare-footed and he should climb out of the grave from the feet side. Moreover, persons, other than the near relatives of the deceased, should put the dust into the grave with the back side of their hands and recite the following: Inna lillahi wa innailayhi raji'un. If the dead person is a woman, her mahram and in the absence of a mahram her kinsmen should lower her in the grave.

637. It is Mustahab that the grave be square or rectangular in shape and its height equal to four fingers' span. A sign should be fixed on it for the purpose of identification and water should be poured on it, and then those present should place their hands on the grave parting their fingers and thrusting them into earth. Then recite Surah al-Qadr 7 times and pray for the forgiveness of the departed soul and say: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jam bayhi wa as'idilayka ruhahu wa laqqihi minka rizwana wa askin qabrahu min rahmatika ma tughneehi bihi 'an rahmati man siwaka.

638. It is Mustahab that when the persons who attended the funeral have departed, the guardian of the dead person or the person whom the guardian grants permission should recite the prescribed supplications for the dead person.

639. It is Mustahab that after the burial, the bereaved family is consoled, praying for their well being. However, if the condolence is given long after the event, and if it serves to refresh the sorrowful memories, then it should be avoided.

It is Mustahab that food be sent to the members of the family of the deceased for 3 days. It is, however, Makrooh to take meal with them in their homes.

640. It is also Mustahab that a person should observe patience on the death of his near ones, especially on the death of his son, and, whenever the memory of the departed soul crosses his mind, he should say: Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un and should recite the holy Qur'an for the sake of the departed. A man should visit the graves of his parents and pray there for the blessings of Allah for himself and should make the grave solid so that it may not be easily ruined.

641. * As a matter of precaution, one should refrain from scratching one's face or body, or uprooting one's hair to display the grief. However, slapping one's head or face is permitted.

642. * It is not permissible to tear one's clothes on the death of anyone except on the death of one's father and brother, though the recommended precaution is that one should not tear one's clothes on their death also.

643. If a wife mourning the death of a husband scratches her face causing blood to come out, or pulls her hair, she should, on the basis of recommended precaution, set a slave free, or feed ten poor, or provide them dress. And the same applies when a man tears his clothes on the death of his wife or son.

644. * The recommended precaution is that while weeping over the death of any person one's voice should not be very loud.

Namaz-e-Wahshat (Prayers to be offered for the departed soul on the night of burial)

645. It is befitting that on the first night after the burial of a dead person, two Raka'ats of wahshat prayers be offered for it. The method of offering this prayers is as follows:

In the first Raka'at, after reciting Surah al-Hamd, Ayatul Kursi should be recited once and in the second Raka'at, Surah al-Qadr should be recited 10 times after Surah-al-Hamd; and after saying the Salam the following supplication should be recited: Alla humma salli 'ala Muhammadin wa Ali Muhammad wab'ath thawabaha ila qabri ......(here the name of the dead person and his father's name should be mentioned).

646. Wahshat prayers can be offered in the night following the burial of the dead body at any time, but it is better to offer it in the early hours of the night after 'Isha prayers.

647. * If it is proposed to transfer the dead body to some other town or its burial is delayed owing to some reason, the wahshat prayers should be deferred till the first night of its burial.

Exhumation

648. It is haraam to open the grave of a Muslim even if it belongs to a child or an insane person. However, there is no objection in doing so if the dead body has decayed and turned into dust.

649. * Digging up or destroying the graves of the descendants of Imams, the martyrs, the Ulama and the pious persons is Haraam, even if they are very old, because it amounts to desecration.

650. * Digging up the grave is allowed in the following cases:

When the dead body has been buried in an usurped land and the owner of the land is not willing to let it remain there.
When the Kafan of the dead body or any other thing buried with it had been usurped and the owner of the thing in question is not willing to let it remain in the grave. Similarly, if anything belonging to the heirs has been buried along with the deceased and the heirs are not willing to let it remain in the grave. However, if the dead person had made a will that a certain supplication or the holy Qur'an or a ring be buried along with his dead body, and if that will is valid, then the grave cannot be opened up to bring those articles out. There are certain situations when the exhuming is not permitted even if the land, the Kafan or the articles buried with the corpse are Ghasbi. But there is no room for details here.
When opening the grave does not amount to disrespect of the dead person, and it transpires that he was buried without Ghusl or Kafan, or the Ghusl was void, or he was not given Kafan according to religious rules, or was not laid in the grave facing the Qibla.
When it is necessary to inspect the body of the dead person to establish a right which is more important than exhumation.
When the dead body of a Muslim has been buried at a place which is against sanctity, like, when it has been buried in the graveyard of non-Muslim or at a place of garbage.
When the grave is opened up for a legal purpose which is more important than exhumation. For example, when it is proposed to take out a living child from the womb of a buried woman.
When it is feared that a wild beast would tear up the corpse or it will be carried away by flood or exhumed by the enemy.
When the deceased has willed that his body be transferred to sacred places before burial, and if it was intentionally or forgetfully buried elsewhere, then the body can be exhumed, provided that doing so does not result in any disrespect to the deceased.

[calgarian]

damned if we do, damned if we don't, is that it?

ya can't please everybody all the time.

Time will tell. Soon the videos and pics will be released. I will refrain from further comment on this subject until that time.

All i am trying to say it happened but not when they claimed to be it is just a convenient time to surface thats it thats all.

[Public Enemy]

So why an earth have the Americans stated its "Islamic Law" with this "24hour burial" line? Because its easiest for EVERYONE to believe?

Where do you think his body is then?

Do you think he's even dead?

Well I do not want to jump into all of this "Then whats your story!?" shit. I am not trying to sell the idea that he is alive, or that he is frozen, or that he is in the White House. All i am doing is pointing out some major errors the media keeps talking about. He clearly didn't have to be buried in 24 hours. Why he did beats me. No Muslim I talked to has heard of this mandatory 24 hour rule until yesterday, myself included. I think the American people have more then a right to ask why this happened the way it did. Believe me, nobody would have been happier then me to know that his body is being examined and autopsy conducted. But since his body is supposable now being eaten by sharks, I guess that hope is out the window and now, all of my expectations rely on what the media (Which keeps contradicting itself and talking nonsense) and government release and say.

Notice that nobody is asking questions about Saddam's (And his sons) execution/deaths or identity, or Zarqawi's, because those processes were carried out in a simple way. This story on the other hand is complicated like an Richard Kelly production.

[Swifto]

Well I do not want to jump into all of this "Then whats your story!?" shit. I am not trying to sell the idea that he is alive, or that he is frozen, or that he is in the White House. All i am doing is pointing out some major errors the media keeps talking about. He clearly didn't have to be buried in 24 hours. Why he did beats me. No Muslim I talked to has heard of this mandatory 24 hour rule until yesterday, myself included. I think the American people have more then a right to ask why this happened the way it did. Believe me, nobody would have been happier then me to know that his body is being examined and autopsy conducted. But since his body is supposable now being eaten by sharks, I guess that hope is out the window and now, all of my expectations rely on what the media (Which keeps contradicting itself and talking nonsense) and government release and say.

Notice that nobody is asking questions about Saddam's (And his sons) execution/deaths or identity, or Zarqawi's, because those processes were carried out in a simple way. This story on the other hand is complicated like an Richard Kelly production.

If you dont believe the "official line" then what do you believe? Thats why I'm asking...

I do see your point, but what the f*ck else are they meant to do with his body? Dumping it at sea, or at least saying that closes lots of doors IMHO.

CT's WILL NOT believe anything the government states... Almost every time.

Its either a cover up for some ridiculas reason (NWO). Or too boost his falling ratings, right?

Bush's rating's were falling as he was holidaying the first 6months of his office, then 9/11. Planned because of that right?

See the similarity, or could it be coincidence and CT's are f*cking nutters, like Alex Jones. Have you seen how many adverts that idiot has on his website?

How many people in the White House would have to be involved for this to be bullshit and a cover up? For Bin Laden's body to be in a freezer and not at sea? For him to have been dead for years in a feeezer and this whole thing staged.

The Army General's, Senior CIA advisors and leaders, the lot...

Somone just raised a good point on another forum and that was that Bill Clinton could not get his dick sucked without the whole world finding out about it. Let me guess, that was staged too right?

[dec11]

the white house is pissing me off about these pictures, just release the damn things already, whats the big hold up?

[Swifto]

the whitehouse is pissing me off about these pictures, just release the damn things already, whats the big hold up?

Meant to be too graphic...

Their just sitting back and watching for a minute, seeing how public opinion is globally. Then they will decide whether the pictures are worth releasing. I'm sure they will, but the fella has been dead for a matter of days and has been on the run for 10+ years so emotions are running high globally. Will it serve the USA good/bad? Thats the question, I think.

OR...

They are just doing the finishing touches to the fake manikin then have of Bin Laden and making sure it doesnt look like a hoax at all. Cant mess this one up, right?

[RaginCajun]

the white house is pissing me off about these pictures, just release the damn things already, whats the big hold up?

i agree. i want to see the whole in his face! the SEALS had to have cameras on their helmets, i want to see some live video footage.

[dec11]

Meant to be too graphic...

Their just sitting back and watching for a minute, seeing how public opinion is globally. Then they will decide whether the pictures are worth releasing. I'm sure they will, but the fella has been dead for a matter of days and has been on the run for 10+ years so emotions are running high globally. Will it serve the USA good/bad? Thats the question, I think.

OR...

They are just doing the finishing touches to the fake manikin then have of Bin Laden and making sure it doesnt look like a hoax at all. Cant mess this one up, right?

i just want to see him with a nice face re-arrangement. dont need nannied by the US gov. as to what might scare me or not lol

[Twist]

They don't want his face to be used as a recruitment campaign.

[Panzerfaust]

Bin Laden dead? Welcome to 2001

[Shol'va]

Attention: The reports out about Osama Bin Laden Being Killed have been greatly exaggerated. He is indeed alive and well living in the USA. When he was asked about this, this was his reply.

[thegodfather]

first of all, I don't really cares what anyone says, imo this isn't a war. it is more a police action. period.

second of all, only a small percentage of what we do is hunt terrorist. A large percentage of what we do is nation building. Technically, it is called stabilization and capacity building.

No one is expecting terrorism to die completely. Hell, I'd be happy if we could just bring it back to the plateu of where it was initially, just a bunch of scruffy road bandits taking advantage of every opportunity in a poor country.

The problem is we have created these power vacuums, and if we just leave now, the implosion would make things worse than before. the decision to fight this "war" (funny how you can pour tens of billions of dollars into a country if you wrap yourself up in the flag and calll this activity a war) was made years ago, and now we really need to see this thing through. Hopefully sooner than later. But the american government have a terrible reputation of starting things and making promises, then pulling out when it is no longer convenient.

Roman...... Terrorism is a tactic of war, its not a person, or a group. Trying to declare a war on terrorism, is like trying to declare a war on "Flanking," "L-shaped assaults," etc, and so on.

Additionally, all countries that have oppressed people have always called those fighting back against that country "terrorists." The founding fathers of the United States were labeled as "terrorists" by the British Crown. Realistically, what differentiates us from them? We have murdered roughly 1,000,000 innocent civilians in Iraq. That is far more people than the "terrorists" have ever killed of American citizens. The difference, many will say, is that 'terrorists' DIRECTLY TARGET CIVILIANS, whereas, when we (United States) kill civilians, they are "collateral damage," people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, unfortunate casualties of war.

Another important distinction, is that we are the more powerful actor in this 'war,' and therefore we have the ability to make the rules up as we go, to create new words and labels (Illegal Combatant, Islamofacist Extremist, etc).

It is VITAL to UNDERSTAND OUR ENEMY, if we are to defeat them. I do not mean defeat in the physical sense. I mean to defeat them in other ways, in order to end this bloodshed. We have to understand WHY these people are so emboldened to kill Americans. Namely, stationing troops in Saudi Arabia on their holy land, our continued monetary and military support for Israel(one of the biggest human rights violators in the world), and 50 years or so of meddling in the affairs of the Middle East, most noteably overthrowing the democratically elected leader of Iran and installing a brutal dictator, The Shaw.

It is unfortuante, in my estimation, that so many Americans LACK THE ABILITY to see the things that we do from any other perspective but our own. I cannot stress enough, that our constant INTERVENTION into the affairs of SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES, is what emboldens these people, whom we label terrorists, to be so enraged that they take up arms against the United States, and even commit suicide attacks against us. The CIA has long advised the United States about what our intervention into the affairs of these countries cause, it is known as BLOWBACK. This is why, as a Conservative Republican/Civil Libertarian, I and like minded members of the party, advocate a foreign policy of NON-INTERVENTIONISM, which is starkly different than "Isolationism" as many opponents of the philosophy try to use in a pejorative manner. Rather than refute the points with information and facts, they use scare tactics, disparaging words and remarks, because they do not have a leg to stand on.

Osama Bin Laden's death is a good thing, there is no disputing that. He has been, and should always have been, held accountable for the atrocious acts that he's committed. However, he is little more than a figurehead, and unless we address the real reasons that his supporters and followers are so emboldened to commit their atrocious acts of war against us, we will never win, we will never prevail, and this so called "war on terrorism," will never end, and it will lead to more and more of our civil liberties being slowly chipped away at, as civil liberties are always tightened during "war time." The spectacular thing about a war on terrorism is, that it is elusive, theres no clear enemy, no clear objectives, and there is never a point at which you can delcare victory.

[auslifta]

They drop him at sea to not offend muslims? So I suppose making muslims at cuba wear womens underwear wasnt going to offend them, or making dogs lick their balls. Alot of what the west does offends muslims, fvck the middle east gets offended from some movies that are made. Anyone that was willing to attack the west is going to do it regardless if he was buried 1 week after death or straight way. Any true muslim wouldnt care what happens to him as he brought nothing but bad to the religion. The only "people" that would care about the treatment of his remains are radicals that already wanted to destroy the west. So saying they did it to "not offend" doesnt hold.

Also just because we choose to question infomation does ot make us CT's. And does not mean we have another answer. There is infomation that he died in 2002. And the US did have their advantages in not releasing the info about his death-Setting up occupation in Afganistsan, Being the ones who got him and not some other Afgan local.

I find it harder to believe the worlds best intelligence agencies could not track one man that needed dialysis daily.

They might release photos, from 2002 maybe? who knows, we will never know. I just don't choose to believe everything the media tells you without questioning it.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

[wmaousley]

NO SECT HAS A WRITTEN VERSE OR LINE OF 24 HOUR BURIAL! Do you understand that mate? You can read every line of the Quran or Sunnah or Islamic ideology, nothing is mentioned about some specific time period of 24 hours. Your right its not in the Quran or Sunnah, but in the Hadith CHAPTER XV BURIAL SERVICE
The only people who might follow a quick burial are people living in poor conditions in deserted societies. You can go to the library or ask a Muslim friend about a book on Islamic law on burial and if you find any line about 24 hours that is supported by Sharia law, I will agree with you. But that is not the case. It doesn't exist. But this media keeps saying that it is "Islamic law", no it ISN'T. That is what I am trying to explain. Bin Laden could have been buried days after, just like Saddam's sons. Nobody would have cared. In the manner in which Osama Bin Laden was killed he will be considerd a martyr, under Islamic tradition he must be buried before the sun sets.So since it is not supported by Islamic law, why do these people on the news keep saying the same ****ing opposite? That is the entire issue here. Even people who follow the tradition of quick burial in some Arab places do not refer to it as "The 24-hour rule". There is no such thing as a 24 hour rule, but it all depends on the way one is killed or dies. But again, if I am wrong, I want something out of Sharia law or Quran etc that proves me wrong. But you won't find it because the 24 hour theory is a joke. Ask anybody you know to provide you with a verse about it, they won't be able to because there is no such thing. I have looked, and it is nowhere mentioned. Hadith Chapter 15 get over yourself and do your GOOGLE research

See bold my friend

[wmaousley]

Yes, it must be written down, otherwise it has no credibility. And no, the Quran isn't the only source of information. The three sources include 1. Quran, 2. Sunnah, 3. Hadith. Since all three do not say a word about having to bury a body 24 hours, it is not a obligation and it holds no significance and is not a part of Islamic law, like the media keeps trying to beat into our heads.

Hadith Chapter 15 hero

[wmaousley]

People if you need to know anything about Islam's traditions and law please do not make yourself look stupid and ask before you post your own theorys as fact.

[wmaousley]

I found this : http://www.al-islam.org/laws/

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

626. * If a non-Muslim woman dies with a dead child, or soulless foetus in her womb, and if the father is a Muslim then the woman should be laid in the grave on her left side with her back towards Qibla, so that the face of the child is towards Qibla.

627. It is not permitted to bury a Muslim in the graveyard of the non-Muslims, nor to bury a non-Muslim in the graveyard of the Muslims.

628. It is also not permissible to bury the dead body of a Muslim at a place which is disrespectful, like places where garbage is thrown.

629. It is not permissible to bury a dead body in a usurped place nor in a place which is dedicated for purposes other than burial (e.g. in a Masjid).

630. * It is not permissible to dig up a grave for the purpose of burying another dead body in it, unless one is sure that the grave is very old and the former body has been totally disintegrated.

631. * Anything which is separated from the dead body (even its hair, nail or tooth) should be buried along with it. And if any part of the body, including hair, nails or teeth are found after the body has been buried, they should be buried at a separate place, as per obligatory precaution. And it is Mustahab that nails and teeth cut off or extracted during lifetime are also buried.

632. If a person dies in a well and it is not possible to take him out, the well should be sealed, and the well should be treated as his grave.

633. If a child dies in its mother's womb and its remaining in the womb is dangerous for the mother, it should be brought out in the easiest possible way. If it becomes inevitable to cut it into pieces there is no objection in doing so. It is, however, better that if the husband of the woman is skilled in surgery the dead body of the child should be taken out by him, and failing that, the job should be performed by a skilled woman. And if that is not available, a skilled surgeon who is the mahram (one with whom marriage cannot be contracted) of the woman should do it. And if even that is not available a skilled man who is not mahram (one with whom marriage can be contracted) should remove the dead child. And if even such a person is not available the dead body can be brought out by any unskilled person.

634. If a woman dies and there is a living child in her womb, it should be brought out in the safest possible way, even if there be no hope for the child's survival. The body of the mother should then be sewn up.

Mustahab Acts of Dafn

635. It is Mustahab that the depth of the grave should be approximately equal to the size of an average person and the dead body be buried in the nearest graveyard, except when the graveyard which is situated farther is better due to some reasons, like if pious persons are buried there or people go there in large number for Fateha.

It is also recommended that the coffin is placed on the ground a few yards away from the grave and then taken to the grave by halting three times briefly. It should be placed on the ground every time and then lifted before finally it is lowered into the grave at the 4th time. And if the dead body is of a male, it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time in such a manner that its head should be towards the lower side of the grave and at the 4th time it should be lowered into the grave from the side of its head. And if the dead body is of a female it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time towards the Qibla and should be lowered into the grave sidewise and a cloth should be spread over the grave while lowering it. It is also Mustahab that the dead body should be taken out of the coffin and lowered into the grave very gently, and the prescribed supplications should be recited before and during burying the dead body; and after the dead body has been lowered into the niche, the ties of its shroud should be unfastened and its cheek should be placed on earth, and an earthen pillow should be done up under its head and some unbacked bricks or lumps of clay should be placed behind its back so that the dead body may not return flat on its back. Before closing the niche, the person reciting the talqin should hold with his right hand the right shoulder of the dead body and should place his left hand tightly on its left shoulder and take his mouth near its ear and shaking its shoulders should say thrice: Isma' ifham ya .......here the name of the dead person and his father should be called. For example, if the name of the dead person is Muhammad and his father's name 'Ali it should be said thrice: Isma 'ifham ya Muhammad bin 'Ali. And then he should say: Hal anta 'alal 'ahdil lazi farqtana 'alayhi min shahadati an la ilaha illal lahu wahdahu la sharika lah wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi 'abduhu wa Rasuluhu wa sayyidun nabiyyina wa khatamul mursalina wa anna 'Aliyyan Amirul mu'minina wa sayyidul wasiyyina wa imamu nif tarazallahu ta'tahu 'alal 'alamina wa annal Hasana wal Husayna wa 'Aliyyabnal Husayni wa Muhammadabna 'Aliyyin wa Ja'farabna Muhammadin wa Musabna Ja'farin wa 'Aliyyabna Musa wa Muhammadabna'Aliyyin wa 'Aliyyabna Muhammadin wal Hasanabna 'Aliyyin wal Qa'imal hujjatal Mahdi salawatullahi 'alayhim a'i'mmatul mu'minina wa hujajullahi'alal khalqi ajma'ina wa a'immatuka a'immatu hudan abrar ya ........(here the name of the dead person and his father should be called) and then the following words should be said: Iza atakal malakanil muqarraabani Rasulayni min 'indillahi tabaraka wa ta'ala wa sa'alaka 'an Rabbika wa 'an Nabiyyika wa 'an dinika wa 'an Kitabika wa 'an Qiblatika wa 'an A'immatika fala takhaf wa la tahzan wa'qul fi jawabi hima, Allahu Rabbi wa Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi nabiyyi wal Islamu dini wal Qur'anu kitabi wal Ka'batu Qiblati wa Amirul mu'minina 'Aliyybnu Abi Talib imami wal Hasanubnu 'Aliyyi nil Mujtaba imami wal Husaynubnu 'Aliyyi nish-shahidu bi-Karbala imami wa 'Aliyyun Zaynul 'Abidina imami wa Muhammadu nil Baqiru imami wa Ja'faru nis Sadiqu imami wa Musal Kazimu imami wa 'Aliyyu-nir Riza imami wa Muhammadu nil Jawadu imami wa 'Aliyyu nil Hadi imami wal Hasanul 'askari imami wal Hujjatul muntazar imami ha ula'i salawatullahi 'alayhim ajma'in A'i'mmati wa sadati wa qadati wa shufa-a'i bihim atawalla wa min a'daihim atabarra'u fid dunya wal akhirati thumma i'lam ya ....... here the name of the dead person and his father should be called and thereafter it should be said: Annal laha tabaraka wa ta'ala ni'mar-Rabb wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi ni'mar Rasul wa anna 'Aliyyabna Abi Talib wa awladahul ma'suminal A'i'mmatal ithna 'asharah ni'mal A'i'mmah wa anna ma ja'a bihi Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi haqqun wa annal mawta haqqun wa suwala munkarin wa nakirin fil qabri haqqun wal ba'tha haqqun wan nushura haqqun wassirata haqqun wal mizana haqqun wa tatayiral kutubi haqqun wa annal jannata haqqun wan-nara haqqun wa annas sa'ata a'tiyatun la rayba fiha wa annallaha yab'athu man fil qubur. Then the following words should be said: Afahimta ya .... (here the name of the dead person should be called) and thereafter the following should be said: Thabbatakallahu bil qawlith thabit wa hadakallahu ila siratim mustaqim 'arrafallahu baynaka wa bayna awliya'ika fi mustaqarrim min rahmatih. Then the following words should be uttered: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jambayhi vas'ad biruhihi ilayka wa laqqihi minka burhana Alla humma 'afwaka 'afwaka.

636. It is recommended that the person who lowers the dead body in the grave should be Pak, bare-headed and bare-footed and he should climb out of the grave from the feet side. Moreover, persons, other than the near relatives of the deceased, should put the dust into the grave with the back side of their hands and recite the following: Inna lillahi wa innailayhi raji'un. If the dead person is a woman, her mahram and in the absence of a mahram her kinsmen should lower her in the grave.

637. It is Mustahab that the grave be square or rectangular in shape and its height equal to four fingers' span. A sign should be fixed on it for the purpose of identification and water should be poured on it, and then those present should place their hands on the grave parting their fingers and thrusting them into earth. Then recite Surah al-Qadr 7 times and pray for the forgiveness of the departed soul and say: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jam bayhi wa as'idilayka ruhahu wa laqqihi minka rizwana wa askin qabrahu min rahmatika ma tughneehi bihi 'an rahmati man siwaka.

638. It is Mustahab that when the persons who attended the funeral have departed, the guardian of the dead person or the person whom the guardian grants permission should recite the prescribed supplications for the dead person.

639. It is Mustahab that after the burial, the bereaved family is consoled, praying for their well being. However, if the condolence is given long after the event, and if it serves to refresh the sorrowful memories, then it should be avoided.

It is Mustahab that food be sent to the members of the family of the deceased for 3 days. It is, however, Makrooh to take meal with them in their homes.

640. It is also Mustahab that a person should observe patience on the death of his near ones, especially on the death of his son, and, whenever the memory of the departed soul crosses his mind, he should say: Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un and should recite the holy Qur'an for the sake of the departed. A man should visit the graves of his parents and pray there for the blessings of Allah for himself and should make the grave solid so that it may not be easily ruined.

641. * As a matter of precaution, one should refrain from scratching one's face or body, or uprooting one's hair to display the grief. However, slapping one's head or face is permitted.

642. * It is not permissible to tear one's clothes on the death of anyone except on the death of one's father and brother, though the recommended precaution is that one should not tear one's clothes on their death also.

643. If a wife mourning the death of a husband scratches her face causing blood to come out, or pulls her hair, she should, on the basis of recommended precaution, set a slave free, or feed ten poor, or provide them dress. And the same applies when a man tears his clothes on the death of his wife or son.

644. * The recommended precaution is that while weeping over the death of any person one's voice should not be very loud.

Namaz-e-Wahshat (Prayers to be offered for the departed soul on the night of burial)

645. It is befitting that on the first night after the burial of a dead person, two Raka'ats of wahshat prayers be offered for it. The method of offering this prayers is as follows:

In the first Raka'at, after reciting Surah al-Hamd, Ayatul Kursi should be recited once and in the second Raka'at, Surah al-Qadr should be recited 10 times after Surah-al-Hamd; and after saying the Salam the following supplication should be recited: Alla humma salli 'ala Muhammadin wa Ali Muhammad wab'ath thawabaha ila qabri ......(here the name of the dead person and his father's name should be mentioned).

646. Wahshat prayers can be offered in the night following the burial of the dead body at any time, but it is better to offer it in the early hours of the night after 'Isha prayers.

647. * If it is proposed to transfer the dead body to some other town or its burial is delayed owing to some reason, the wahshat prayers should be deferred till the first night of its burial.

Exhumation

648. It is haraam to open the grave of a Muslim even if it belongs to a child or an insane person. However, there is no objection in doing so if the dead body has decayed and turned into dust.

649. * Digging up or destroying the graves of the descendants of Imams, the martyrs, the Ulama and the pious persons is Haraam, even if they are very old, because it amounts to desecration.

650. * Digging up the grave is allowed in the following cases:

When the dead body has been buried in an usurped land and the owner of the land is not willing to let it remain there.
When the Kafan of the dead body or any other thing buried with it had been usurped and the owner of the thing in question is not willing to let it remain in the grave. Similarly, if anything belonging to the heirs has been buried along with the deceased and the heirs are not willing to let it remain in the grave. However, if the dead person had made a will that a certain supplication or the holy Qur'an or a ring be buried along with his dead body, and if that will is valid, then the grave cannot be opened up to bring those articles out. There are certain situations when the exhuming is not permitted even if the land, the Kafan or the articles buried with the corpse are Ghasbi. But there is no room for details here.
When opening the grave does not amount to disrespect of the dead person, and it transpires that he was buried without Ghusl or Kafan, or the Ghusl was void, or he was not given Kafan according to religious rules, or was not laid in the grave facing the Qibla.
When it is necessary to inspect the body of the dead person to establish a right which is more important than exhumation.
When the dead body of a Muslim has been buried at a place which is against sanctity, like, when it has been buried in the graveyard of non-Muslim or at a place of garbage.
When the grave is opened up for a legal purpose which is more important than exhumation. For example, when it is proposed to take out a living child from the womb of a buried woman.
When it is feared that a wild beast would tear up the corpse or it will be carried away by flood or exhumed by the enemy.
When the deceased has willed that his body be transferred to sacred places before burial, and if it was intentionally or forgetfully buried elsewhere, then the body can be exhumed, provided that doing so does not result in any disrespect to the deceased.

Thank you sir, I really like the fact you take the time to do your research before you make a post.

Thank you so much

[GoloLolo]

about ****ing time they found him.

[toooosmall]

doesn't make sense. why would they honor this terrorist's religious desires? and wouldn't they keep him alive so we can all see that we did capture him? then you can honor his weird religion after a public execution.

[DSM4Life]

doesn't make sense. why would they honor this terrorist's religious desires? and wouldn't they keep him alive so we can all see that we did capture him? then you can honor his weird religion after a public execution.

You need to look past today and think about the future.


It use to get me so mad when I would see groups of people celebrating the death of of our soldiers in other countries. They wildly run the streets while burning flags. I use to look at these people as almost animals instead of people. So today I am looking through some videos and what do i see ? Videos of Americans celebrating in the streets, drinking, chanting all around a fire. Not sure how I feel about that.

[auslifta]

Agreed DSM