Abortion

[marcus300]

Do you agree with it?

Does it depend on the circumstances?

Or no matter what the circumstance are, you would never agree or have an abortion?

[Loki387]

I think it depends on the circumstances.. I'm not against it.. It has its place in society ....
I.E.. can the couple afford to raise the child reasonably? Was it accidental? Not the right time? etc.. it does have its place..

[Nofinshline]

I'm against it... only in case of rape or risk for mother's life I'd agree with it.

[Ernst]

I agree with the early abortion. Development happens at an astounding rate and frankly I think some people do not address the issue soon enough.

I have been party to a couple myself.

[spywizard]

At what age does the father have the right to terminate the life of a child??? I say if there is a week during their 13th birthday, then abortion is ok...

[zaggahamma]

circumstances

definitely not a casual ritual

[spywizard]

and in all cases this needs to stop..

Definition

A late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation. However, the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 16 weeks as "late".^[2][3] Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two of the JAMA articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.^[4] The third JAMA article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.^[5]
The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Sometimes late-term abortions are referred to as post-viability abortions. However, viability varies greatly among pregnancies. Nearly all pregnancies are viable after the 27th week, and no pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. Everything in between is a "grey area".^[5]

[Dukkit]

Have been a part of a few. Some by choice and some where I didnt have any say. The ones where I didnt have any say... I would of actually liked to have kept the child. Sucks that its pretty much whatever the females decides. I understand its her body though.

But Im still for them.

[Ernst]

Late-term abortion is an abomination.

The only time I believe you enter any "grey area" there is when carrying the pregnancy is a real danger to the life of the mother. That's a tough decision I'm glad I'm not a part of.

I remain steadfastly "pro-choice", but our laws regarding abortion (at least where I am) need to be tightened up IMHO.

[gixxerboy1]

I have been part of 1 both of us did not want a child. She stopped the birth control and didn't tell me. I was on a ton of juice and on for a long period of time. So she thought i couldn't knock her up.

I've used the morning after pill with the wife a few times. She has problems with the pill. So a couple times i didn't get out in time.

I think they do have a place unfortunately.

[Macon_Bacon]

It is always a sad situation when it has to happen but I believe that sometimes it is better than bringing a child into the world will no chance of success. It's even kind of sad that I look at it in that way but I'm pro-choice.

[Flagg]

I believe in Pro Choice 100% and always will.

But there are circumstances. People that terminate a child because it does not fit in with their lifestyle should be ashamed of themselves and need to be steralised.

Women that are the victims of rape, or it's discovered that the child will be severely handicapped, then I think it's a reasonable decision.

Abortion is a touchy subject. Every system has a dark side, and this is the dark side of democracy. Freedom to do whatever the Hell you want, even at the expense of an unborn child.

[redz]

I think it happens too often when it doesn`t need to but there are cases where it is understadable like rape for example.

[Kawigirl]

I've never had to experience...thankfully. In my case now where I am in life....probably not. Would I have in my twenties....most likely. But like most have said...yes; depends on circumstances.

[Times Roman]

Personally, I am against it. Having said that, I'm also against the government telling others what they should and shouldn't do. It's a choice between a woman, her mate, and her doctor.

[SexySweetheart]

pro choice 100%

As a teen my gf thought I was preggers (I was on pill at the time) I walked into the clinic with her saying no way that I was and that i had to abort if i was (was a scared stupid WICKED drugged up teen) but the very moment the nurse said I was preggers all thoughts of termination vanished from my being, it was like the option didn't exist. Trevs now 16, funny as hell, the most amazing teen I have ever met and honor role (despite my stupid drug use while early stages of preg, which I stopped all cold turkey that moment I was told I'm pregnant DOUBLE TUFF!)
Sadly I have had to have 1 later in life due birth control failure and many med complications, insurance covered 100% due to it being considered a life saving procedure ~ painful and soul crushing experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. Everyone experiences it diff I'm sure but the feeling after ...I cant explain, def life altering and the depression consumed me. The worst was the picketers out side after I was done, as if it wasn't bad enough~ hearing that I'm a killer and blah blah with out them knowing or caring who I was or why I needed to abort.

I did'nt see a late term abort as right at all unless your trying to keep the baby but have a med problem arise and cant.
I also see a butt load of kids in foster care waiting and never being adopted and its the easiest form of adopting a kid at any age, so I do get pissed when I hear people spout off that Chic should have the baby and put up to adopt, IMO its a shittier route for the baby than to not be born.

[Hazard]

I believe in Pro Choice 100% and always will.

But there are circumstances. People that terminate a child because it does not fit in with their lifestyle should be ashamed of themselves and need to be steralised.

Women that are the victims of rape, or it's discovered that the child will be severely handicapped, then I think it's a reasonable decision.

Abortion is a touchy subject. Every system has a dark side, and this is the dark side of democracy. Freedom to do whatever the Hell you want, even at the expense of an unborn child.

As usual..... I agree on all points with you lmao

~Haz~

[xelnaga]

I don't condone abortions under the majority of circumstances posted above. The only time I can see an abortion being just would be if the babies life threatens the mother. However, liked rape and incest, they are none issues. These " exceptions" account for less than 1 percent of 1 percent of abortions carried out in the US.

I also believe that the killing of abortion doctors in order to impede their ability to conduct child murder is ultimately just.

That being said; I also believe there needs to be a culture shift. Its highly hypocritical for people to be anti abortion and at the same time chastise a young girl who has the child.

[JohnnyVegas]

I am for it 100% in some circumstances. I am against it (in principle) when used casually or as a form of birth control.

I have generally been against it because I think the best time for "choice" is before BEFORE having sex. But, we cannot force people to be informed, intelligent or proactive. The above comment about the girl stopping BC without informing her partner because she thought a guy on cycle couldn't get a girl pregnant is a perfect example. I would be horrified if my wife did that without discussing it with me.

Beyond all the philosophical parsing above, I am starting to believe that limiting unwanted children is very good for society as a whole.

[gixxerboy1]

I don't condone abortions under the majority of circumstances posted above. The only time I can see an abortion being just would be if the babies life threatens the mother. However, liked rape and incest, they are none issues. These " exceptions" account for less than 1 percent of 1 percent of abortions carried out in the US.

I also believe that the killing of abortion doctors in order to impede their ability to conduct child murder is ultimately just.

That being said; I also believe there needs to be a culture shift. Its highly hypocritical for people to be anti abortion and at the same time chastise a young girl who has the child.

wow. I'm shocked by that comment

[JohnnyVegas]

I don't condone abortions under the majority of circumstances posted above. The only time I can see an abortion being just would be if the babies life threatens the mother. However, liked rape and incest, they are none issues. These " exceptions" account for less than 1 percent of 1 percent of abortions carried out in the US.

I also believe that the killing of abortion doctors in order to impede their ability to conduct child murder is ultimately just.

That being said; I also believe there needs to be a culture shift. Its highly hypocritical for people to be anti abortion and at the same time chastise a young girl who has the child.

We disagree on many things...and that is fine. I will point out that it isn't hypocritical to be both anti-abortion and anti-young/unmarried sex. If you are going to be Christian (and I don't mean "you" literally) I think you need to subscribe to all the principles. A young girl should be commended for keeping the baby, but that doesn't undo whatever other transgressions led to the pregnancy. I think people have a certain moral flexibly when dealing with their own situations (illegal steroids and small crimes like speeding are great examples) but find it easy to criticize others from a moral high ground. In that situation I AGREE WITH YOU 100% that it is hypocritical.

So, you can see that I clearly both agree and disagree with you. And I will leave it like that so there is nothing to argue about. This really is meant to be a good natured philosophical rambling.

[dec11]

wow. I'm shocked by that comment

lol, i just spluttered out my whey when i read that statement

[dec11]

for it in appropriate situations.

one word for ppl who indulge in recreational sex CONTRACEPTION

[xelnaga]

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, the littlest."
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life

[JohnnyVegas]

^^^^ I am not convinced a fertilized egg is a member of society.

[gixxerboy1]

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, the littlest."
~Cardinal Roger Mahony, In a 1998 letter, Creating a Culture of Life

I do agree with it. But i dont think a group of cells is a member of society.

[marcus300]

I don't condone abortions under the majority of circumstances posted above. The only time I can see an abortion being just would be if the babies life threatens the mother. However, liked rape and incest, they are none issues. These " exceptions" account for less than 1 percent of 1 percent of abortions carried out in the US.

I also believe that the killing of abortion doctors in order to impede their ability to conduct child murder is ultimately just.

That being said; I also believe there needs to be a culture shift. Its highly hypocritical for people to be anti abortion and at the same time chastise a young girl who has the child.

Thats a seriously strong comment which kind of contradicts your whole point you trying to get across.

Do you really think killing doctors would have any kind of impact on the whole issue of abortions?

[xelnaga]

Thats a seriously strong comment which kind of contradicts your whole point you trying to get across.

Do you really think killing doctors would have any kind of impact on the whole issue of abortions?

I see no contradictions. Using deadly force to prevent a criminal from committing murder is just, correct? You and I may just differ on the definition of abortion doctors as criminals and abortion as murder.

No I don't think killing doctors would have a positive effect on the anti abortion movement.

[amcon]

good post marcus, and vairied feed back in interesting...

i used to think abortion a child was a persons choice - then i had my first child, she was born at
26 weeks 3 days (women are preg for 40 weeks) she was 1 lbs and 13 oz, she had full head of hair, finger and toe nails, came out kicking and screaming!!! just 2 weeks prior a doc came to us and said sorry your wifes water broke you should prob terminate the fetus. doc was trying to make the baby in to some sort of non human, non living thing by callling it a fetus. i stood nose to nose with him (litterally touching his nose) and told him to call security or leave. never saw him again, and i was stunned that was a reasonable opption for ppl???? wtfeak!!!

no ! no abortion! unless it will kill the mom by having the baby continue to grow.

i read above "well, she tricked me..." bro you play you pay, wrap it or pay for the baby!

i read above "should be use only if you not ready, or if it was a mistake..." are you kidding me??? you wouldnt be here if that was the case cuz im sure you were a mistake lol jk - cant do that it is a baby

the doc who originated abortion as a well acceppted practice in general meds had preformed several on his own nurses, he didnt want his wife to find out he had other childeren iwth other women... later in life he was part of a study to prove fetuses dont feel pain they did ultrasound to watch the abortion, first was dismembe the arms and lets and head in any order and the remove the rest... the doc was stunned how the baby moved away from the devise, and the ultrasound showed unmistakable pain with the baby, then they did the same iwth a saline abortion, the pump very salty water into plesenta to kill the baby, the baby heart rate in stead of going slowly down as they thought it would excellerated, again the ultrasound showed the baby was in major distress (as they put it) saddly, severaly babies have lived through this type of abourtion, scared from the saline burns!


again therey is no good reason to kill a baby at 13 days, 13 week or 13 years old

[amcon]

the first pic is of a baby the same size as my daughter... who is 10 now and completely fine!


it is killing babies not a fetus

[xelnaga]

Overlooked is the impact on the women who gets the abortion. The psychological impact of killing your unborn child often catches up with the moms later on in life. This fact is what resulted in Jane Roe ultimate regret in her involvement in roe v wade.

[marcus300]

I see no contradictions. Using deadly force to prevent a criminal from committing murder is just, correct? You and I may just differ on the definition of abortion doctors as criminals and abortion as murder.

No I don't think killing doctors would have a positive effect on the anti abortion movement.

It may be justified inside your head but in the real world which is governed by law using deadly force would result in imprisonment.

Ive also not given my views so you have no idea if my views differ from yours,

[amcon]

this is a baby that was killed by being taken apart piece by piece... it is a baby

that is killing

[marcus300]

the first pic is of a baby the same size as my daughter... who is 10 now and completely fine!


it is killing babies not a fetus

Those pictures are very distressing to say the least woooow

[scorpion62]

Depends on circumstances. In saying that to take the life of a doctor for doing it is way wrong , doing this does it stop it happing no it just pushes it back in to the stone age or the hands of the sick money grabbers who have trained in carpet fitting which by the way wasnt that long ago,I just cant work this out yes its a taboo subject and maybe 30% of people think its a sick act but take a litter of pups or kittens a flush them 98.5% of the population would tie you to the back of a car drag you for miles then stone you to death and burn your body then p1$$ on you.So humans would pick a furry friend over a fellow being I think, but a fetus now theres a question

[gixxerboy1]

Overlooked is the impact on the women who gets the abortion. The psychological impact of killing your unborn child often catches up with the moms later on in life. This fact is what resulted in Jane Roe ultimate regret in her involvement in roe v wade.

and there are women who have had children that the should have never had for the mothers or childs sake

[Hazard]

Hard to look at those pics being that my baby is 17 days old.....

I am still prochoice however..... I think if an abortion is done it's best done as soon as possible. They can suck the fertilized egg out if it's caught early enough. If a rape happens.... and it's reported..... they'll know early enough if shes pregnant or not. This should be way before anything has developed past a tiny bean size. If the fetus is going to risk the mothers life then we're talking a later term abortion probably and thats a lot harder to deal with emotionally however in this specific case..... it should be allowed.

~Haz~

[jimmyinkedup]

I was always pro choice. I suppose I still am - but circumstancially so. I dont think abortion is a form of birth control. I also dont think that a raped woman should lawfully have to keep the child of a rapist. There are circumsatnces where it is acceptable morally to me.
I used to be 100% pro choice - no questions. Womans choice - period end of story. Heres what changed my mind. My sister was 18 and in high school - she got pregnant - went ot get an abortion - couldnt do it. My nephew is now 21 yrs old gradualting from one of the most prestigeous Universities in the United States. He is the light of my sisters and to a degree everyone in our families eye. I know my sister cant imagine her life without him ...and even my life as an uncle would be worse off for not having him be a part of it. I cant help but wonder how many of him the world may have lost.

[l2elapse]

I think a lot of it comes down to religion

[Hazard]

I was always pro choice. I suppose I still am - but circumstancially so. I dont think abortion is a form of birth control. I also dont think that a raped woman should lawfully have to keep the child of a rapist. There are circumsatnces where it is acceptable morally to me.
I used to be 100% pro choice - no questions. Womans choice - period end of story. Heres what changed my mind. My sister was 18 and in high school - she got pregnant - went ot get an abortion - couldnt do it. My nephew is now 21 yrs old gradualting from one of the most prestigeous Universities in the United States. He is the light of my sisters and to a degree everyone in our families eye. I know my sister cant imagine her life without him ...and even my life as an uncle would be worse off for not having him be a part of it. I cant help but wonder how many of him the world may have lost.

Great story! I can't help but think tho that for every success story like your siters..... there's an opposite one to match it. While every child deserves a chance to succeed - how many are born to mothers who could give a rats ass about them? Just saying..... i guess it can go either way.

~Haz~