Prez Obama Tells Canada To Shove It's Oil Pipeline

[Hoggage_54]

As a Canadian, I wish it wouldn't happen, but it will after the 2012 American election. It's absolute bullshit that Canada is the only oil producing nation that doesn't have control over it's oil. The private companies have been robbing us blind and walk away with billions while we keep paying more and more for gas. Unfortunately, our Prime Minister Stephen Harper is a neo-conservative who is spending our country into oblivion while giving these same companies massive subsidies. We should be refining our own oil and selling it to you guys, but big oil has Harper in their back pocket.

[JDawg1536]

I beg to differ......the economy was bad but captain dipshit spent TRILLIONS count em TRILLIONS of dollars in giveaway funds that anyone understands WHERE that money comes from, if you're in a ton of debt, can you get out of debt by spending more or by loaning yourself money? NO you can't yet he does it time after time, just the other day he proposed raising the debt cieling by TRILLIONS....sheeeeesh......this is obamas doing period!

What exactly did Obama do to help with finding Osama, he merely ALLOWED an ongoing pursuit started by Bush, to keep going, not exactly a ******* effort more of an apathetic coincidence.

And Obama merely ALLOWED the spending to continue, right?

Obama was in office for 2 1/2 years before Bin Laden was killed. You give Bush ten years to find Osama, then when he's killed 2 1/2 years after leaving office, you give Bush all the credit. Then when the economy tanks under Bush, you criticize Obama for not turning it around in less than three years. Your logic just sounds a little silly.

[HitIt]

And Obama merely ALLOWED the spending to continue, right?

Obama was in office for 2 1/2 years before Bin Laden was killed. You give Bush ten years to find Osama, then when he's killed 2 1/2 years after leaving office, you give Bush all the credit. Then when the economy tanks under Bush, you criticize Obama for not turning it around in less than three years. Your logic just sounds a little silly.

so you think obama found bin laden? not the cia and military? you think obama found osama in 2.5 years? you don't think it was the cia and military and 10 years? just curious..

[JDawg1536]

so you think obama found bin laden? not the cia and military? you think obama found osama in 2.5 years? you don't think it was the cia and military and 10 years? just curious..

No. And neither did Bush.

[HitIt]

No. And neither did Bush.

i wasn't really referring to either pres, i just think it's funny when people say a president "got a bad guy" when it's the men and women in harms way, risking their lives, who do the work, and the guy in the loafers sitting behind the desk gets a call and simply says "go ahead" and then gets the glory...now that's silly

[JD250]

Bush gets an A for effort, Obama gets an A for taking credit, the CIA and military did it and got little recognition for it. The economy WAS in the tank at the end of Bush but Obama has made it easily 10 times worse than it had to be because he believes in socialism, a free man or a prospering business scares the hell out of socialists. So yes Obama gets the blame for taking a bad economy and making it HORRIBLE and ensuring that this country can NEVER recover from it without a RADICAL overhaul, he has spent more money on entitlements and giveaways than all the Republican administrations combined.....who should we blame that on? You may not see the truth but I bet your grandkids will have a real good understanding of what Obama did for this country, hindsight is always 20/20 unless they re-write history for him so our first black president doesn't look bad, which is highly likely considering the propensity in this country to scream RACIST whenever someone points out the facts about Obama.

[JD250]

On the original topic......I like Heineman and it seems he's not willing to let Obama off the hook just yet....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...cision-before/

[JDawg1536]

Bush gets an A for effort, Obama gets an A for taking credit

When did Obama take credit? What did he say?

the CIA and military did it and got little recognition for it.

Sure they did.

The economy WAS in the tank at the end of Bush but Obama has made it easily 10 times worse than it had to be because he believes in socialism, a free man or a prospering business scares the hell out of socialists.

For all we know, our whole economy would have collapsed completely if things had been done another way. In reality, you have zero idea if he made it worse. The only ones who know for sure are Fox News and the Republicans in office.... they know everything.

he has spent more money on entitlements and giveaways than all the Republican administrations combined.....who should we blame that on?

You think it's a good idea to cut unemployment and other entitlement programs during a recession? Besides, if it had been a Republican administration the money would have still been spent, just somewhere else. Where were you when Bush was pissing money to the wind?

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...-trillion.aspx

You may not see the truth but I bet your grandkids.....

The truth being?????

[JDawg1536]

i wasn't really referring to either pres, i just think it's funny when people say a president "got a bad guy" when it's the men and women in harms way, risking their lives, who do the work, and the guy in the loafers sitting behind the desk gets a call and simply says "go ahead" and then gets the glory...now that's silly

People believe what they want to believe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...lled-bin-laden

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...down-bin-laden

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we've made great strides in that effort. We've disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense.

Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

[HitIt]

People believe what they want to believe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...lled-bin-laden

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...down-bin-laden

i see you quoted what i said, but i have to wonder if you read it...if you'll look at in one more time, you'll see i said i wasn't referring to either pres, and you won't see that i said obama took credit, instead, you'll see i said "people", as in his followers..

obama's campaign i think will give us a clue into what he himself thinks about his own performance...will he campaign on the job he has done, or will he simply campaign against his rivals, stating how bad it would be if they had their turn? time will tell and the american people will ask their selves if they are better now then they were 4 years ago..

[JDawg1536]

i see you quoted what i said, but i have to wonder if you read it...if you'll look at in one more time, you'll see i said i wasn't referring to either pres, and you won't see that i said obama took credit, instead, you'll see i said "people", as in his followers..

As in his followers give him credit? Sure, just as Bush followers give Bush credit. People are slanted and will believe what they want to believe. I was only pointing out that Obama gave credit to the boots on the ground doing the dirty work.

[HitIt]

As in his followers give him credit? Sure, just as Bush followers give Bush credit. People are slanted and will believe what they want to believe. I was only pointing out that Obama gave credit to the boots on the ground doing the dirty work.

well no president would be stupid enough to go on record to take credit himself, or at least no president's handlers would let him....but to take credit for things that "may" have happened, or "may" have been prevented, lol, well that's another story..

and i couldn't care less about bush, he's a progressive, not unlike obama, when it comes to spending money, but to sit here and think obama has done any better if not worse, there's where we differ.

[JDawg1536]

and i couldn't care less about bush, he's a progressive, not unlike obama, when it comes to spending money, but to sit here and think obama has done any better if not worse, there's where we differ.

I never really gave my opinion.

Obama didn't really have much of a choice. To cut spending during a recession would be economic suicide. No matter who took office there would have been a lot of money spent. He was thrown into a crappy situation. Bush rode the economy til the wheels fell off. However, had the economy been in good shape when Obama took over he probably would have spent the money anyway.... just like every president before him.

There's plenty of stuff to criticize Obama for. Most of the things people choose aren't justified, though.

[HitIt]

I never really gave my opinion.

Obama didn't really have much of a choice. To cut spending during a recession would be economic suicide. No matter who took office there would have been a lot of money spent. He was thrown into a crappy situation. Bush rode the economy til the wheels fell off. However, had the economy been in good shape when Obama took over he probably would have spent the money anyway.... just like every president before him.

There's plenty of stuff to criticize Obama for. Most of the things people choose aren't justified, though.

i gave my opine on bush because you brought him up 4 or 5 times above but he doesn't matter to people like me in this election.

obama sure does have much to be criticized for. he and his party had control of the house and senate when he was elected and he forced his health care down our throats when the majority of americans didn't want it. why do i say the majority of americans didn't want it? well that's the reason for the historic mid term election results of 2010. funny how all the unions get waivers from obama care, and every big corporation wants out of it because they know it's not good. i haven't had insurance since college (early 90's) and don't think i should be forced to pay for it if i don't want it. that enough is a reason for me to not want obama to be reelected.

[JD250]

You gotta be shittin me!!! Jdawg!! Do you really believe this?!?? "To cut spending during a recession would be economic suicide." I don't think this conversation has any merit after that comment. God help us!!!

[Shol'va]

You gotta be shittin me!!! Jdawg!! Do you really believe this?!?? "To cut spending during a recession would be economic suicide." I don't think this conversation has any merit after that comment. God help us!!!

According to our politicians we don't need God to help us as we already have the Saudi's and their oil and the Chinese with their tons of money, which btw used to be our tons of money and jobs till we gave them all to China freely. Of course a lot of it was in an effort to bust the unions in the U.S. Yep once they were out of the way we could bring that pay scale back to within reason say 5 dollars an hour. But even that became way too much to pay out as those Chinese were only getting 57 cents per hour and since we can't compete with that more of our jobs went to China courtesy of your wonderful politicians from both sides of the isle. But this oil thing really has me stumped as I will never understand why we refuse to purchase it from one of our friendly countries to our north right across the border instead of shipping it half a world away taking the chance of it sinking in the ocean causing all kinds of ecological disasters. And since we have no issues with the Canadians well other than the fact their from Canada.. the oil flow should flow freely all while the mid eastern countries turn their taps off and on at the whim of their religious convictions at the time. I swear some of our politicians are dumber than a box of rocks.....

[zaggahamma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO2jfl59eHU

[JDawg1536]

You gotta be shittin me!!! Jdawg!! Do you really believe this?!?? "To cut spending during a recession would be economic suicide." I don't think this conversation has any merit after that comment. God help us!!!

Really?

[JDawg1536]

i gave my opine on bush because you brought him up 4 or 5 times above but he doesn't matter to people like me in this election.

obama sure does have much to be criticized for. he and his party had control of the house and senate when he was elected and he forced his health care down our throats when the majority of americans didn't want it. why do i say the majority of americans didn't want it? well that's the reason for the historic mid term election results of 2010. funny how all the unions get waivers from obama care, and every big corporation wants out of it because they know it's not good. i haven't had insurance since college (early 90's) and don't think i should be forced to pay for it if i don't want it. that enough is a reason for me to not want obama to be reelected.

Well there you go.... a perfectly legitimate gripe.

[JD250]

Do you have ANY idea where all that MAGIC money comes from?

[JDawg1536]

Do you have ANY idea where all that MAGIC comes from?

Yeah, Lance Burton.

[JD250]

^^^ LOL...edited to include the word "money" smartass

[RA]

politics in the lounge...whats this world coming too lol osama isnt going to pres for much longer

[spywizard]

we dont need all the jobs that the pipeline will create..

we need more un employment benefits..

and voter registration cards.. that's what we really need

[zaggahamma]

we dont need all the jobs that the pipeline will create..

we need more un employment benefits..

and voter registration cards.. that's what we really need

food stamps, stimulus, ...............

[JDawg1536]

^^^ LOL...edited to include the word "money" smartass

Ok, I was really confused about that lol.

What magic money are you talking about?

[JD250]

The trillions that Obama is stimulating us with.

[JDawg1536]

The trillions that Obama is stimulating us with.

Mostly Treasury Bills. How much has Obama actually spent? What did he spend it on?

[JD250]

In less than two years he has doubled the federal deficit, accumulating as much debt as all preceding administrations combined. You can't blame Bush for the mans lack of leadership and wisdom. Treasury bills huh? Make no mistake...we are in the red, T-bills are a sinking ship, who among us wants our ship to sink? there is no more money so try again, where does all this free money come from? Money doesn't just magically appear, it has to be loaned, earned or even printed but it has to come from somewhere.

What did he spend it on?......Damn good question, I doubt we'll ever know all the details beyond cash for clunkers, Solyndra and the other obvious debaucles he sees fit to spend money on. But those only account for a small portion of the missing TRILLIONS, so much for transparancy. Hope and Change, that's all we got left at this point, Hope we survive with the little bit of Change left in our pockets.

[Vettester]

food stamps, stimulus, ...............

Careful, the Obama administration will call you a racist if you imply that he's the food stamp president.

[RA]

we dont need all the jobs that the pipeline will create..

we need more un employment benefits..

and voter registration cards.. that's what we really need

I just saw an Obama ad on tv...he was actually touting his economic reform..I thought it was a paraody...

[JDawg1536]

In less than two years he has doubled the federal deficit, accumulating as much debt as all preceding administrations combined.

That's not even remotely close to being accurate.

[JD250]

Well you can slice these figure up from hell to breakfast but in the end it will either be a damn hard fact or EXTREMELY CLOSE, either way Obama is a raging lunatic and a poor excuse for a leader.

Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.

You can use the U.S. Department of Treasury’s “Debt to the Penny” calculator.

[JDawg1536]

[QUOTE=JD250;5873186]Well you can slice these figure up from hell to breakfast but in the end it will either be a damn hard fact or EXTREMELY CLOSE, either way Obama is a raging lunatic and a poor excuse for a leader.

Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.

The debt was at $10.6 trillion when Obama took office. It's now at just over $15 trillion. Account for inflation and Reagan alone raised the debt by $4 trillion. None of those bullshit statistics people look at account for inflation. Rightwing rhetoric at its finest.

[thegodfather]

[QUOTE=JDawg1536;5873209]

Well you can slice these figure up from hell to breakfast but in the end it will either be a damn hard fact or EXTREMELY CLOSE, either way Obama is a raging lunatic and a poor excuse for a leader.

Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.

The debt was at $10.6 trillion when Obama took office. It's now at just over $15 trillion. Account for inflation and Reagan alone raised the debt by $4 trillion. None of those bullshit statistics people look at account for inflation. Rightwing rhetoric at its finest.

First off, Reagan was fighting, and successfully ending the cold war. Theres also something to be learned from that 'war.' The Soviet Union collapsed for ECONOMIC REASONS, not because they were invaded and defeated. The Roman empire collapsed for economic reasons as well.

Second, and the worst contribution to this thread, is the notion that cutting spending in a recession would be detrimental. Just the opposite is true in fact. Cutting spending, lowering taxes(significantly),and further reducing burdensome regulations which are an impediment to growth of business, is how you get out of a recession. If you or I got heavily into debt, we could not get ourselves out by borrowing more money, so how is it that you think the government lives in an alternate economic universe where this is possible? It's not possible. Obama thinks that adding 2-300,000 government jobs is economic growth. It is not. The government does not create wealth or prosperity, it simply steals from it to pay for programs. Some government jobs are necessary evils, but about 50% of the Federal government could be eliminated, and life would go on as before, with no discernable difference. I'll spare you the economics lesson to simply say that, you are just completely wrong and off base, and probably believe things like "the people on Wall Street caused the housing crisis," and "deregulation was to blame."

Third, Obama broke just about every campaign promise he has ever made. He promised transparency in government, enough time to read every bill, and then tried to ram a 2,700 piece of legislation through the Congress in 72 hours. He promised to end the overseas wars, and instead kept us in Iraq for 3 more years, and committed troops to yet another undeclared war in the air campaign over Libya. He continued the Bush era doctrine of extreme rendition, and kept Guantanamo bay open. And the worst yet, he has such utter contempt and disregard for the US constitution, that he recently signed the NDAA 2012 act into law, allowing for American citizens to be detained by the military, INDEFINITELY, without habeas corpus, without a warrant, and with no evidence necessary. Obama also approved the asassination of an American citizen on foreign soil.

[Sgt. Hartman]

^^^ I like this! .

[SlimmerMe]

[QUOTE=thegodfather;5873239]

And the worst yet, he has such utter contempt and disregard for the US constitution

In a nutshell~

[SlimmerMe]

^^ above is not posted correctly since the GOdfather said it and since my EDIT button does not work, I cannot change it.

[redz]

I`m glad the Canadian economy and overall state of the Nation has a much brighter outlook. My house has gone up 70,000 in the 4 years I have owned it. Seems like Obama is just playing to the voters trying to portray himself a certain way. After he takes another election he'll probably approve the pip line then.

[JDawg1536]

First off, Reagan was fighting, and successfully ending the cold war. Theres also something to be learned from that 'war.' The Soviet Union collapsed for ECONOMIC REASONS, not because they were invaded and defeated. The Roman empire collapsed for economic reasons as well.

And Obama inherited two wars, and has successfully ended one of them. Are you justifying Reagan increasing the debt by $4 trillion (in today's value) because he fought the Cold War? And the Roman Empire fell for many more reasons than just economic.

Second, and the worst contribution to this thread, is the notion that cutting spending in a recession would be detrimental.

I was referring to unemployment and entitlement programs discussed earlier in the thread. Is that inaccurate?

Third, Obama broke just about every campaign promise he has ever made.

Really? He has broken "just about every promise?"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

Obama also approved the asassination of an American citizen on foreign soil.

If one is a traitor and a terrorist, you have a problem with that?

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death"