Cutting down for pre cycle

[Razor]

I'm cutting down first time really ever. Not my first time running clen for this purpose, I ran it during the holidays did not workout 2 weeks needed a break, during that time I ate whatever holiday food came along and actually still lost bodyfat. This time around I'm doing it different. I know its pretty effective for maintaining muscle mass with a calorie restricted diet. I'm going to go from 3500 cals down to 1800. And be doing fasted cardio in the morning for an hour. Current weight dry after 1 hour fasted state with no food is 199.9 with shoes off. Sucks I had to get hit with Gyno right now or I would already be back on

I'm sitting at a guess 12-14% and want to take it down to 9% over the next 6 weeks but keep the same weight if possible. Instead of going up to 120mcg the maximum I'm going to run 80mcg for 2 weeks on and off. Along with gh and t4. Since I'm dealing with a bit of progesterone gynocomastia on my right side, I figure this is the perfect time to cut and estrogen fat in my system as well.

Main question is What are the numbers for going from 199 @14% to 199@ 9%, how much fat do I need to lose and how much muscle mass do I need to gain. If 1800cals is not enough I will go back up to 3000-3500 and just eat really clean (this will suck) to get desired results. If its not possible without gear I will just drop as much bf right now without worrying about my weight and just gain it back on cycle, I really don't want to drop below 199 though it's been tough getting here. I'm hoping the clen can help me keep my muscle mass in lbs and just drop the fat%

Does this sound like a good strategy?

cycle will be 500mg test depo
Aromasin and hcg
Pct torem and nolva


Current size

[Get hench Die Trying]

From what I can tell you need to drop 5% bf which is 9.95lbs so to stay at 199 at 9%bf you will need to add that 9.95 back on as muscle and to gain 9.95lbs of muscle in 6 weeks with no AAS it will be nearly impossible to do.

If I'm wrong someone else chip in and let me know

Hope that helps

[Razor]

From what I can tell you need to drop 5% bf which is 9.95lbs so to stay at 199 at 9%bf you will need to add that 9.95 back on as muscle and to gain 9.95lbs of muscle in 6 weeks with no AAS it will be nearly impossible to do.

If I'm wrong someone else chip in and let me know

Hope that helps

Yea that is going to be impossible..fck that's a 20lbs spread right?

[Get hench Die Trying]

Yea with AAS to cut bf and gain muscle will be impossible your best off cutting to what you want and then gaining it again from what I've seen of your before and after pictures you shouldn't have to much trouble doing that.

The gh and clen with the t4 the fat should fall off you pretty quick as well.

When do you pin your gh morning or night or do you split your dose? Reason I asked is because I have read a lot of study that shows when you pin gh and things like cjc and ghrp this helps oxidise fat into the blood and if your going to do early morning cardio you want the fat to oxidise so you can use it as energy in the fasted state which will help you loose the lbs you need quicker

[Razor]

Yea with AAS to cut bf and gain muscle will be impossible your best off cutting to what you want and then gaining it again from what I've seen of your before and after pictures you shouldn't have to much trouble doing that.

The gh and clen with the t4 the fat should fall off you pretty quick as well.

When do you pin your gh morning or night or do you split your dose? Reason I asked is because I have read a lot of study that shows when you pin gh and things like cjc and ghrp this helps oxidise fat into the blood and if your going to do early morning cardio you want the fat to oxidise so you can use it as energy in the fasted state which will help you loose the lbs you need quicker

I pin the gh and take the t4 in the am. Go back to sleep, wake up take the clen then go do cardio

[Get hench Die Trying]

I pin the gh and take the t4 in the am. Go back to sleep, wake up take the clen then go do cardio

You don't want to wait to long between the gh and training from what I can remember its best to pin wait half hour then go do your fasted cardio to get the best out of it.

Slow and steady is best because if your do HIIT you are more likely to start using your glycogen as energy instead of your fat that is oxidised from the gh. Not sure on the science behind this but study show it to work.

[Razor]

You don't want to wait to long between the gh and training from what I can remember its best to pin wait half hour then go do your fasted cardio to get the best out of it.

Slow and steady is best because if your do HIIT you are more likely to start using your glycogen as energy instead of your fat that is oxidised from the gh. Not sure on the science behind this but study show it to work.

Not doing Hiitt cardio ATM. Too hard to do that while fasted

[< <Samson> >]

Hey, homeslice. . . Why are you trying to do this so fast?

[Razor]

Hey, homeslice. . . Why are you trying to do this so fast?

Tired of not being lean. Might take longer than 6 weeks though

[< <Samson> >]

Tired of not being lean. Might take longer than 6 weeks though

Shit though, you got all the time in the world. Ehh, to each is own. . . .

[DeadlyD]

Tired of not being lean. Might take longer than 6 weeks though

Wow Razr! By that pic you posted your looking pretty lean already! But ya cut with the clen and t4, deal with the gyno and when you hop back on the test you'll see some great gains! ...why just test for this cycle?

[Razor]

Wow Razr! By that pic you posted your looking pretty lean...why just test for this cycle?

thanks man, test is king my friend and cause I got this lump I'm dealing with

[DeadlyD]

thanks man, test is king my friend and cause I got this lump I'm dealing with

Cool, you gonna start a log? Id love to follow!

[Razor]

Cool, you gonna start a log? Id love to follow!

I have my progress thread in the members section and my slin and gh thread in the slin/gh forum, I keep those updated

[gixxerboy1]

you can cut to the 9% in the time frame you want but your not going to stay at the 199lbs.

[Razor]

you can cut to the 9% in the time frame you want but your not going to stay at the 199lbs.

So I will have to go down to 190 huh?

[DeadlyD]

I have my progress thread in the members section and my slin and gh thread in the slin/gh forum, I keep those updated

Oh! I did not know this! Lol

[jasc]

Lookin solid bro. Hell of an improvement since your first pics in the progress thread. Keep up the good work

[RaginCajun]

yo razr, get in the diet section if ya looking to cut down.

[Razor]

yo razr, get in the diet section if ya looking to cut down.

Sigh...ok