extraterrestrial life and ufology

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

this is real ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz0Dm...e_gdata_player

[Times Roman]

interesting.
but im still skeptical, as this could be done with a few guys in the middle of the night with plywood and rope

[Times Roman]

look this up. it started a huge movment . and because of this many top ranking military personell . go on the books ,military employees ,and researchers make the national press in the biggest televised ufo disclosure attempts ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrRwT...e_gdata_player

I'm 45 minutes into watching this thing.

fascinating

credible

wonder why mainstreet media isn't picking this thing up yet?

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

I'm 45 minutes into watching this thing.

fascinating

credible

wonder why mainstreet media isn't picking this thing up yet?

Because the shadow government controls mainstream media ... Dr Steven greer hass talk shows on the "world puja network "that will discuss all this. You tube it. There are alot

[lovbyts]

Didnt I comment on this? Was it here I saw it? I watched most of this last week sometime. Good stuff. Hard to debunk and usually when they do it's a pathetic attempt.

Yup best way to keep this stuff quit is control the mainstream media. No different than what is going on in politics and I believe it's also a lot of the reason why they want people hooked on reality shows and crap like that so then wont pay attention to what is happening right in front of their faces.

[Shol'va]

I would like to believe but.. I'm from Missouri The Show Me State...If I can't see, feel , touch, taste, then it's a difficult leap of faith. And faith is believing in something that common sense tells us not to...

[Times Roman]

the witnesses all seem to have government jobs of some type. all seem credible. all willing to stake their reputations on their accounting. to me this seems to have significant weight.

[Times Roman]

I would like to believe but.. I'm from Missouri The Show Me State...If I can't see, feel , touch, taste, then it's a difficult leap of faith. And faith is believing in something that common sense tells us not to...

true. it's prudent to be skeptical. not prudent to have a closed mind or be pre judgemental. I still haven't watched beyond the 45 minute point in the video. I will say at this point I believe THEY believe they are telling the truth.

[Shol'va]

true. it's prudent to be skeptical. not prudent to have a closed mind or be pre judgemental. I still haven't watched beyond the 45 minute point in the video. I will say at this point I believe THEY believe they are telling the truth.

Me too. But my mind is open. Some people see the glass as half full others see it as half empty. I say just get another glass..

[Times Roman]

Me too. But my mind is open. Some people see the glass as half full others see it as half empty. I say just get another glass..

You know, just between you and me, (so don't let this get out), it wouldn't take much for me to take the leap and become a believer. I'm not gullible by any definition of the word, but there is some serious circumstantial/anecdotal evidence out there right now.

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

You know, just between you and me, (so don't let this get out), it wouldn't take much for me to take the leap and become a believer. I'm not gullible by any definition of the word, but there is some serious circumstantial/anecdotal evidence out there right now.

You got that right . And it keeps coming up. There slowly letting out evidence ..so mass media isnt too shocked . 1/4ofwthe world already believes we have. Or are being visiting by extraterrestrial life forms... Nasa videos Are showing up too UNDENIABLE , AND MOON PHOTOS ...

[RaginCajun]

I'm 45 minutes into watching this thing.

fascinating

credible

wonder why mainstreet media isn't picking this thing up yet?

just makes ya wonder!

[Times Roman]

You got that right . And it keeps coming up. There slowly letting out evidence ..so mass media isnt too shocked . 1/4ofwthe world already believes we have. Or are being visiting by extraterrestrial life forms... Nasa videos Are showing up too UNDENIABLE , AND MOON PHOTOS ...

moon photos?

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

moon photos?

Yes and video .

[Times Roman]

Yes and video .

link?

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_g0h...e_gdata_player

Also look at the biggest secret ever denied - moon rising

[zaggahamma]

If you believe in God, do you have to believe in aliens?
God, no one has every seen him/her
Aliens, no one has every seen one

God, some ppl claimed to have been visted by God at some point
Aliens, some ppl claimed to have been visted by them at some point

God, some ppl have a serious belief that there is a higher power & thier not alone
Aliens, some ppl have a serious belief that there is a higher power & were not alone

God, has been documented for 2000 yrs
Aliens, have been documented since the dawn of time

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Of course Im just joking, but its fun to see ppl get excited when you say these things

these two comparisons reminds me of the show ancient aliens which i enjoy....i have to say i believe et life is a good probability

[Zodiac82]

here is what i believe.

If we have been visited before, then they are still here. there could be whole colonies below the ocean's surface we know nothing about. Our ocean floors are largely unexplored, and we have no way to get down there.

I believe that we are not the only planet with life in the universe.

I also believe the far side of the moon is an excellent place for others to watch us if they were so inclined.

I also believe we will not find any other life forms in this solar system beyond possibly simple micro organisms, algea, and lichen.

x100....I've said that soooo many times to ppl about our ocean and how we constantly discover new species on land....imagine whats underneath....ppl always say well life cant exixst on Neptune its too cold....just bcuz weee cant doesn't mean somethin else doesn't. I'd always say if you've never seen the ocean and someone said there are lifeforms that can hold there breath and life under the water and swim faster than u can run would u believe them? answer obviously bein no but they exist. not to mention I've seen two UFOs as a child that I can remember vividly til this day and im 30

[Zodiac82]

I'm 45 minutes into watching this thing.

fascinating

credible

wonder why mainstreet media isn't picking this thing up yet?

they did it was a show on history channel that kinda covered this convention

[Times Roman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_g0h...e_gdata_player

Also look at the biggest secret ever denied - moon rising

strange and interesting, although with all the grainey footage, it leaves alot to be desired.


what about the moon rising link?

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

strange and interesting, although with all the grainey footage, it leaves alot to be desired.

what about the moon rising link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVDPQ...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWkX...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZLe...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjNR_...e_gdata_player


Boom !

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qic41...e_gdata_player

[Times Roman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVDPQ...e_gdata_player

[this is from #101]

I'm not sure what to say.............

As i sit here, finished watching the video, let's just say for the moment that the film is legit and not doctored in any way.

When I first started watching it, there were a lot of strange shapes, much of it seemed to me like Rorschach images, with my mind trying to make sense of the patterns.

The film did ask some legit questions.

Why have we not trained the Hubble on the moon and given it a complete once over, in color? And if so, why hasn't that been released to the public? Seems a simple enough thing to do, wouldn't you agree?

Why have all the moon shots been doctored, with a false horizon implanted in them? Those little cross hairs we see in all the imagery extend to all portions of the picture, so in their absense, the only logical conclusion is that they have been artificially removed for some reason. And conversely, when you do see moon/earth shots, where are all the stars? They should be everywhere, yet in almost every picture, they are strangely absent.

There are many craters on the moon. A crater is created when something collides with the surface. In order for a crater to be a perfect circle, an object would have to strike the surface of the moon at a true perpendicular to the tangent at the point of contact. It would seem to me that this would be fairly uncommon. So why is it that we see so many of these "craters" to be perfect circles? On further inspection, there were some night shots of these very same craters, and strangely enough, they seem to illuminate, much like a city on earth would illuminate at night as seen from space. At first, i was thinking it was some kind of illusion due to magnifying a small object. but there were many of these objects that seem to illuminate at night.

Maybe someone else take a look and see what they think?

[Flagg]

I would like to believe but.. I'm from Missouri The Show Me State...If I can't see, feel , touch, taste, then it's a difficult leap of faith. And faith is believing in something that common sense tells us not to...

You cannot see electromagnetism, or gravity fields, or radiation or oxygen or carbon dioxide, but we know they exist. If they didn't, we wouldn't exist.

[Flagg]

Today there are around 8.7 million species that exist on earth alone, spread out across the six taxonomic kingdoms. What is mind boggling, that ninety percent of ALL SPECIES that have ever existed are now dead, so since the dawn of time, this planet alone has seen around 100 million species rise up, and die out.

All this, on one planet. It's not a stretch of the imagination to know that any planet out in the cosmos with access to water and life can produce life. Extremophiles living on earth have shown they dont even need light, just water, as a essential element to survive in. The mathematical chances of our planet being the only one with life on it is virtually impossible. Even if the only way life could exist on a world is if our exact factors were replicated (distance from our star, only having one moon, two gas giants blocking most of the asteroids that enter our sol system), because of the amount of stars in a Galaxy, even with those stats, mathematically there are 1 million earth like planets in our galaxy alone. 1 million multiplied by 100 million equals 1e+14, that figure is staggering. You are into the thousands of trillions at that point.

That many species potentially, in this Galaxy alone.

So chances of life out there, as varied as ours, as complex as even humans, is pretty high.

Why is it doubtful that no one from another world has visited us is the laws of physics. Even 1 million earth planets spread out across our 1 galaxy are too far apart. So far as we know, the speed of light cannot be exceeded. If that is the case, no one is visiting anyone any time soon.

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

I'm glad I started this thread

[Times Roman]

Today there are around 8.7 million species that exist on earth alone, spread out across the six taxonomic kingdoms. What is mind boggling, that ninety percent of ALL SPECIES that have ever existed are now dead, so since the dawn of time, this planet alone has seen around 100 million species rise up, and die out.

All this, on one planet. It's not a stretch of the imagination to know that any planet out in the cosmos with access to water and life can produce life. Extremophiles living on earth have shown they dont even need light, just water, as a essential element to survive in. The mathematical chances of our planet being the only one with life on it is virtually impossible. Even if the only way life could exist on a world is if our exact factors were replicated (distance from our star, only having one moon, two gas giants blocking most of the asteroids that enter our sol system), because of the amount of stars in a Galaxy, even with those stats, mathematically there are 1 million earth like planets in our galaxy alone. 1 million multiplied by 100 million equals 1e+14, that figure is staggering. You are into the thousands of trillions at that point.

That many species potentially, in this Galaxy alone.

So chances of life out there, as varied as ours, as complex as even humans, is pretty high.

Why is it doubtful that no one from another world has visited us is the laws of physics. Even 1 million earth planets spread out across our 1 galaxy are too far apart. So far as we know, the speed of light cannot be exceeded. If that is the case, no one is visiting anyone any time soon.

we already suspect nutrinos can travel FTL (faster than light). we have two sources that have documented this. all recently. we do not know why the speed of light is a constant. some theorize it is actually slowing down over billions of years.

additionally, at 14.7 billion years old (universe's age), it is very easy to conceive one civilization reaching out to another, utilizing a multigenerational approach, where I would leave, and my great great.... grandchildren would arrive at it's destination.

some suggest these aliens have already arrived. And since we are already here (surprise surprise), then these "newly arrived inhabitants" are living in remote areas unaccessible to us (ocean floor for example).

It is highly doubtful, imo, that an aggressive specie would evolve to the point of being able to travel here, without anhiliting themselves first with whatever energy source technology necessary to get here. Because these specie are non aggressive, they are content to hide in the shadows and let us get about our lives. They will only intervene when they feel threatened, as is such the case with space based weapons, or the continuation of building nuclear weapons.

[Flagg]

The jury is still out on the LHC experiment and there is a WORLD of difference between propelling a nuetrino with virtually no mass to a space ship weighing over 100 tonnes.

If an advanced race came here, they'd anhilate us, strip all our resources and move on. Its what all species do that migrate to other areas, they out compete the native populations and use the resources.

What did the Europeans do to the native populations when they reached Australia, Africa, North and South America. What did Ghengis Khan do? What did the Romans do? Wipe out and replace.

[Times Roman]

The jury is still out on the LHC experiment and there is a WORLD of difference between propelling a nuetrino with virtually no mass to a space ship weighing over 100 tonnes.

If an advanced race came here, they'd anhilate us, strip all our resources and move on. Its what all species do that migrate to other areas, they out compete the native populations and use the resources.

What did the Europeans do to the native populations when they reached Australia, Africa, North and South America. What did Ghengis Khan do? What did the Romans do? Wipe out and replace.

virtually no mass and no mass are two totally different things.

the jury IS still out on the LHC experiment. But it was replicated twice, with the same result. And the second time, much more scrutiny and sophisticated equipment, confirming the first experiments results. we do not know what to make of this yet. One of three (as I see it) possible scenerios:

1) equipment error (possibility of this happening twice seems very remote)
2) nutrinos do travel FTL
3) there is some aspect of physics we as of yet do not understand where nutrinos do NOT travel FTL, but somehow arrive earlier than a standard photon would.

I disagree with the aggressive specie scenerio. If all they were interested in were our resources, then there are plenty of asteriods and non habitable planets they can derive their raw materials necessary for their requirements (heavy metals, water, radio active materials, etc.) They could easily just do as they wish on Mars and not risk a nuclear confrontation from us. I believe their specie is well adapted to space based living, as they undoubted have done so for thousands of years. They do not need to utilize Earth for habitation. Additionally, if they are well adapted to space based living, in a zero or low gravity environment, then Earth's gravity may be too much for them, and the only place they could function would be in the water, at the bottom of the ocean.

If they are here, then it is because we are here. I'm beginning to believe that they are watching us and recording our development, and understanding our biology/physiology. It may very well be that they are non aggressive, but if they feel threatened, they will have a full understanding on how to deal with us. And because our gravity is too much for them, they may be developing hybrids that can function in Earth's gravity.

Keep in mind that in space, in zero gravity, there is no need for structural elements like bones. It may actually be advantageous to be more like the squid, with no bones and highly adaptive/flexible appendages like tenticles. We already know that in a very short period of time, OUR bones begin to demineralize in a low gravity environment. So this specie may modify itself a number of times, one when it leaves it's home world, and again when it finds a host planet.

[Flagg]

virtually no mass and no mass are two totally different things.

the jury IS still out on the LHC experiment. But it was replicated twice, with the same result. And the second time, much more scrutiny and sophisticated equipment, confirming the first experiments results. we do not know what to make of this yet. One of three (as I see it) possible scenerios:

1) equipment error (possibility of this happening twice seems very remote)
2) nutrinos do travel FTL
3) there is some aspect of physics we as of yet do not understand where nutrinos do NOT travel FTL, but somehow arrive earlier than a standard photon would.

I disagree with the aggressive specie scenerio. If all they were interested in were our resources, then there are plenty of asteriods and non habitable planets they can derive their raw materials necessary for their requirements (heavy metals, water, radio active materials, etc.) They could easily just do as they wish on Mars and not risk a nuclear confrontation from us. I believe their specie is well adapted to space based living, as they undoubted have done so for thousands of years. They do not need to utilize Earth for habitation. Additionally, if they are well adapted to space based living, in a zero or low gravity environment, then Earth's gravity may be too much for them, and the only place they could function would be in the water, at the bottom of the ocean.

If they are here, then it is because we are here. I'm beginning to believe that they are watching us and recording our development, and understanding our biology/physiology. It may very well be that they are non aggressive, but if they feel threatened, they will have a full understanding on how to deal with us. And because our gravity is too much for them, they may be developing hybrids that can function in Earth's gravity.

Keep in mind that in space, in zero gravity, there is no need for structural elements like bones. It may actually be advantageous to be more like the squid, with no bones and highly adaptive/flexible appendages like tenticles. We already know that in a very short period of time, OUR bones begin to demineralize in a low gravity environment. So this specie may modify itself a number of times, one when it leaves it's home world, and again when it finds a host planet.

Believe me, I want the speed of light to be broken. I would love to know there is irrefutable of life on other words. I would absolutely love to know how life evolves on other worlds, what selective pressures there are. But I also have a science degree background, and the nature of the beast is that you have to look at the hard facts. I mean I can quote a ton of stats, but there is no proof of life on other worlds, not the public know, so by that rationale we have to assume that we are alone in the universe. I would like to say though, that I truly do not believe we are alone and I would stake my life on that.

If one day a flying saucer came down and little green men asked if I would like to go and see the wonders of the universe, but I would have to go right now and not tell anyone, I would probably do it.

As for an advanced and aggressive alien race coming to conquer us....if they can travel in ships thousands/millions of light years in their droves, they will have technology far in advance of anything we have and I really dont think nukes would save us. They could probably bombard us from a completely safe distance if they didnt have means of repelling missile attacks.

What's an asteroid when you have a planet like earth with all that biomass?

[Times Roman]

Believe me, I want the speed of light to be broken. I would love to know there is irrefutable of life on other words. I would absolutely love to know how life evolves on other worlds, what selective pressures there are. But I also have a science degree background, and the nature of the beast is that you have to look at the hard facts. I mean I can quote a ton of stats, but there is no proof of life on other worlds, not the public know, so by that rationale we have to assume that we are alone in the universe. I would like to say though, that I truly do not believe we are alone and I would stake my life on that.

If one day a flying saucer came down and little green men asked if I would like to go and see the wonders of the universe, but I would have to go right now and not tell anyone, I would probably do it.

As for an advanced and aggressive alien race coming to conquer us....if they can travel in ships thousands/millions of light years in their droves, they will have technology far in advance of anything we have and I really dont think nukes would save us. They could probably bombard us from a completely safe distance if they didnt have means of repelling missile attacks.

What's an asteroid when you have a planet like earth with all that biomass?

my point is why would they want to concquer us? they have been living in a space environment for probably thousands of years, which means they can live pretty much anywhere.

and, asteroids are rich in resources. depending on which object you are mining/harvesting, there is water, methane, heavy metals, radioactive materials. On earth, the heavy metals/radio active materials pretty much sink to the core due to weight and gravity. the amount residing in earth's crust is minimal. but on an asteroid, this is not the case, and is significantly more abundant than on the earth's surface.

an extremely advanced specie would be more than comfortable on mars. they would be able to create their own bio mass, and have less gravity than earth. I think earth's strong gravitational field is a down side for space based aliens living in a zero G environment.

[canesfan804]

I had always been sceptical on the subject. Then my wife and I were going on vacation about 10-12 yrs ago and we saw something flying around in the sky. It was around 3-4am in Georgia on I-95. The thing was definately not a airplane or helicopter. It was going so fast and making turns like nothing I have ever seen. It looked like a star in the sky but was insane fast and agile.Cool whatever it was.

[Flagg]

my point is why would they want to concquer us? they have been living in a space environment for probably thousands of years, which means they can live pretty much anywhere.

and, asteroids are rich in resources. depending on which object you are mining/harvesting, there is water, methane, heavy metals, radioactive materials. On earth, the heavy metals/radio active materials pretty much sink to the core due to weight and gravity. the amount residing in earth's crust is minimal. but on an asteroid, this is not the case, and is significantly more abundant than on the earth's surface.

an extremely advanced specie would be more than comfortable on mars. they would be able to create their own bio mass, and have less gravity than earth. I think earth's strong gravitational field is a down side for space based aliens living in a zero G environment.

Lol, have you been watching a lot of movies lately? All Mars has is rock, sand and maybe some underground streams and that's it.

There's a reason that when Britain wanted a prison country, they chose Australia and not Tasmania.

And you are also forgetting one thing that earth has that asteroids dont have, and thats LIVING resources. Biological matter. I'm not sure where you're getting this notion from that alien life out there adhere to one set of rules and that, having floated through space on the brink of destruction, would settle for Mars or the Jupiter asteroid belt instead of Earth.

Earth has an atmosphere, huge amounts of water, rock, metal, soil and 8.7 million species to farm/eat/wipe out. Im pretty sure it wouldn't even be "War of the Worlds" invasion as any advanced race that wanted us out the way could probably release a deadly vaccine into the water supply.

EDIT: Or maybe im wrong, and we're observed much like a zoo with a code of non interference. Who can really say?

[johnnylucifer]

I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to things like Roswell and UFO sightings...but I do believe something is going on as described in the book Chariots of the Gods and Ancient Aliens series.

Not sure where/if there is a God in the equation. I Still ponder on that one a lot even though I was raised in a Bible thumping family

[Times Roman]

Lol, have you been watching a lot of movies lately? All Mars has is rock, sand and maybe some underground streams and that's it.

There's a reason that when Britain wanted a prison country, they chose Australia and not Tasmania.

And you are also forgetting one thing that earth has that asteroids dont have, and thats LIVING resources. Biological matter. I'm not sure where you're getting this notion from that alien life out there adhere to one set of rules and that, having floated through space on the brink of destruction, would settle for Mars or the Jupiter asteroid belt instead of Earth.

Earth has an atmosphere, huge amounts of water, rock, metal, soil and 8.7 million species to farm/eat/wipe out. Im pretty sure it wouldn't even be "War of the Worlds" invasion as any advanced race that wanted us out the way could probably release a deadly vaccine into the water supply.

EDIT: Or maybe im wrong, and we're observed much like a zoo with a code of non interference. Who can really say?

With a little coaxing, mars is habitable. it is in the goldie locks zone (not too far, not too close to the sun) and surface temps can reach 70degrees F. Actually, mars has a polar cap with frozen ice which can be harvested and used. Additionally, structures can be made from the soil, if need be, to block the suns cosmic radiation (mars does not have a van kupyer belt like earth). Or habitable zones can be made sub terranian. Mar's biggest problem is the lack of a van kupyer belt, and therefore cosmic radiation cooks the surface. But it has everything else one could want to enjoy a comfortable life.

Living resources is not that big of a deal. The alien specie would bring their own, like a Noah's ark, even if just DNA and regrown, so that it can be grown, harvested, and injested compatibly.

The problem with Earth is that it would need to be terraformed for THEIR psyiological/biological requirements. Since they are not a part of earth's evolutionary process, then it seems unlikely that the building blocks of our food (amino acids, carbs being broken down into simple sugars, etc.) would be adequate for their metabolic needs. Additionally, and to steal the idea from orson wells, our ecosystem, and the microbes/viruses contained therein, would wreak havoc on their physiology. There is no telling how well they could tolerate the smallest of living organisms here on this planet.

regarding the "brink of destruction" idea. I would argue against. I would suggest that they are very successful living in deep space in zero gravity, if they are as advanced as we suspect they are. They probably have not been driven from their home world due to necessity, but instead, due to simply no need to confine themselves to something as small as a planet. They may in fact have left their homeworlds millions of years ago, and now consider "space" their home. As such, there is probably little desire, if any, to rehabitate any particular planet.

[Times Roman]

^fuk!

i meant van allen belt, not van kupyer belt