Size Vs. Strength

**< <Samson> >** · 09-25-2012, 05:59 PM

Today was my final lesson in size Vs. Strength. Went to the gym, seen a dude squating 315 real square. Went to the squat rack to hit 225. This guy is like spot me. I look over and homeslice has 405 stacked. I'm like no, I don't want to make it to YouTube's stupidest squat videos. So we get another guy on the other side. Plus the guy squating wasn't very sure of himself being able to pop that weight.

He just shoots out a straight set of 3, real square. I was just like WTF. . . . . So asked him what he weighed. He said under 190. He wasn't much leaner then me either.

Holly hell. . . . Strength really don't do shit with size to a point. My legs look bigger and about as solid. I would shit myself if I can do 325. . . . .

Oh yeah, he was juiced - I would say at least and no way over 21.

**frank13** · 09-25-2012, 06:20 PM

i stay between 190 and 200 im pretty strong the guy i used to lift with hes 197 looks giant he lifts so heavy that people actually gather around and watch him lift like hes putting on a show or something

**SEOINAGE** · 09-25-2012, 07:47 PM

yep, look at some of the pro bodybuilders, guys with less than half their muscle mass can be stronger.

It's all about training the nervous system. Sure muscle can help you be stronger, but you can get "big worthless muscles" depending on how you train etc.

Really up to what you want to work towards.

**dec11** · 09-25-2012, 09:31 PM

no relation between size and strength (within context) i've seen light weight class plifters squat 400kgs and dead in the mid 300's

**songdog** · 09-25-2012, 09:49 PM

You want a good squat? You got to pay your dues.GET BUSY!!!!

**dec11** · 09-25-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

You want a good squat? You got to pay your dues.GET BUSY!!!!

exactly, get hitting it!

**< <Samson> >** · 09-25-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

no relation between size and strength (within context) i've seen light weight class plifters squat 400kgs and dead in the mid 300's

Well said bro. . . Very true.

I feel huge and hollow. I mainly lift in muscle isolation and not compounds.

But, I am damn big but I feel weak compared to my size. . . Not, that I care too much. Just interesting when I see this side by side.

**dec11** · 09-25-2012, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Well said bro. . . Very true.

I feel huge and hollow. I mainly lift in muscle isolation and not compounds.

But, I am damn big but I feel weak compared to my size. . . Not, that I care too much. Just interesting when I see this side by side.

get your low rep compounds shifting and build it up

**< <Samson> >** · 09-25-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

get your low rep compounds shifting and build it up

I am man, I just started to focus more on compounds. I like being big and solid looking. . . But, I need a bit more strength. But, I am still mad strong compared to average Joe Blow.

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 07:40 AM

Have you ever done bill starr's 5x5? Or even basic starting strength? You can do really well on either of them to start out.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-26-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Have you ever done bill starr's 5x5?

That is what got me here. . . I started out as the wimpiest fvcker ever, I barely benched 135.

I will go back to the 5x5 style lifts on next cycle.

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 09-26-2012, 11:06 AM

its studied and proven that muscle is forced to grow when strength gains are high . usually lean size .

id say keeo all basic staple compound movments for strength squat dead bench etc at lower rep with high weight and other movments moderate weight for shaping and size

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by AZGOLDSMEMBER86

its studied and proven that muscle is forced to grow when strength gains are high . usually lean size .

id say keeo all basic staple compound movments for strength squat dead bench etc at lower rep with high weight and other movments moderate weight for shaping and size

Really don't think this means much. Diet is a huge factor to muscle growth. How do these guys in lower weight categories get so much stronger yet stay small?

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 09-26-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Really don't think this means much. Diet is a huge factor to muscle growth. How do these guys in lower weight categories get so much stronger yet stay small?

genitics .... also with diet ofcourse !

**Gaspari1255** · 09-26-2012, 11:33 AM

It's genetics man - I have a buddy who is 5'11" 225 and can do 225lbs 59 times on the flat bench.....he was 22 at the time he did this, it's on youtube.

However, I don't think he could deadlift 315.

**AZGOLDSMEMBER86** · 09-26-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

It's genetics man - I have a buddy who is 5'11" 225 and can do 225lbs 59 times on the flat bench.....he was 22 at the time he did this, it's on youtube.

However, I don't think he could deadlift 315.

boom !

**Gaspari1255** · 09-26-2012, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by AZGOLDSMEMBER86

boom !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM07lg9EWPE

**gearbox** · 09-26-2012, 11:53 AM

Thanks for vid..

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 12:46 PM

hmm, genetics play a big factor in whether someone can set records etc, but they didn't start out that strong, they still trained, they still made progress, plenty of people get stronger without adding comparable muscle mass.

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM07lg9EWPE

What does this have to do with strength relative to size? 59 reps or whatever has nothing to do with strength.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-26-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

What does this have to do with strength relative to size? 59 reps or whatever has nothing to do with strength.

The point I was making was that he's strong as a fvckin' ox but he's not really THAT big, so strength is more so related to genetics.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-26-2012, 01:12 PM

Here's another one of him doing 405x12 - is that considered "weak"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmaUxvvmayg

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

The point I was making was that he's strong as a fvckin' ox but he's not really THAT big, so strength is more so related to genetics.

I don't mean to be a dick, sure he is impressive for his size even if they are partial reps. But that's showing endurance for one, too how does that prove strength is in any way related to genetics, could it not be how he trains that allows him to do that? I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I see people coming to conclusions that don't mean shit all the time, sorry it's not definitive proof.

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

Here's another one of him doing 405x12 - is that considered "weak"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmaUxvvmayg

proves he can move a lot of weight. but doesn't prove it's genetics.

**Gaspari1255** · 09-26-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

I don't mean to be a dick, sure he is impressive for his size even if they are partial reps. But that's showing endurance for one, too how does that prove strength is in any way related to genetics, could it not be how he trains that allows him to do that? I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I see people coming to conclusions that don't mean shit all the time, sorry it's not definitive proof.

If someone is average size/not freakish huge and they move a freakish amount of weight - I see no other answer besides genetics. Hell, if it's juice and diet - why isn't he sitting at 275lbs or so?

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bronzer

If someone is average size/not freakish huge and they move a freakish amount of weight - I see no other answer besides genetics. Hell, if it's juice and diet - why isn't he sitting at 275lbs or so?

you really don't think someone's training protocol has the biggest impact?

**< <Samson> >** · 09-26-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

biggest impact?

Biggest - No

I believe it is genetics really. . . But, training and your workout style is a huge factor too.

**SEOINAGE** · 09-26-2012, 03:44 PM

I disagree with this entirely. I trained for a long time and was decent sized and muscular, could dumbell bench 100s, but could barely bench low 200s. I decided years later to focus on strength and my bench quickly improved 100 lbs, I still had a decent amount of muscle before, more than most of the other kids training around me. It was all training, rest and nutrition.