are you worried?

[JTrain999]

I would be more worried if I were the person bound in your avi. LOL

haHA same here... what is going on in that picture??

[kelkel]

I don't really worry about it that much. I'm a TRT'er now and what I did with aas when I was young, in retrospect, is scary. Not due to amounts as they were minimal compared to amounts people do today, but because of literally no knowledge available regarding PCT, AI's, etc. It was all bro science. Somehow I made it through it ok. Then had to stop all AAS for 20 yrs due to work and later landed on TRT in 09 (?) due to a tumor. I don't recommend the tumor thing.

I look at it this way. I've always eaten right and trained like a nut regardless of AAS. Anymore I get bloods pulled every 6 months and my doc lets me pull any other BW I like basically any time I see fit. He lets me control my health and protocol with his assistance. Frequent monitoring is a very advantageous thing in our world, IMO. Anyway, BP is great, resting pulse is around 52 normally and just did BW a couple weeks ago and Lipids are the best they have been in years, mostly due to a supplement change, IMO. I guess my point is aas plays a part and should not be abused, but lifestyle plays a bigger part, at least that is how I feel.

ps: some of you guys got nerve complaining about your age. Waaaaaaaaa!

[frank13]

so many people i grew up with abuses their body's in ways u cant even imagine and i have some family members that are alcoholics and they drink night and day and we are talking 40 + years of this and there still kicking so cycling cant be that bad can it and if so so be it everyone has there thing

[AD]

a very common mentality among healthy people is, "Nah, it's not going to happen to me.." we continue to pile abuse on our bodies until something actually happens. this is what makes doctors so rich.

i am guilty of it too...lol

[Euroholic]

No and heres why.before i started lifting and taking steroids I suffered from depression alot in life I was a rifleman in a infantry section i was kicked out apparently i was a liability. Things started getting bad i snorted/smoked/injected/swallowed all substance known to man but nothing made me feel happy. Untill one day i saw arnies movie pumping iron i was hooked. I started training alot and the test soon followed its the only thing that started to make me feel some happiness i started thinking more clearly i started to smile a bit. I cldont no how i use to live without it. I no i only have a fews years to go but a few years of joy is better than a lifetime of misery is it not?

I have noticed lately i wake up sometimes during the night being short of breath. But that could be other things not aas related.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

No and heres why.before i started lifting and taking steroids I suffered from depression alot in life I was a rifleman in a infantry section i was kicked out apparently i was a liability. Things started getting bad i snorted/smoked/injected/swallowed all substance known to man but nothing made me feel happy. Untill one day i saw arnies movie pumping iron i was hooked. I started training alot and the test soon followed its the only thing that started to make me feel some happiness i started thinking more clearly i started to smile a bit. I cldont no how i use to live without it. I no i only have a fews years to go but a few years of joy is better than a lifetime of misery is it not?

I have noticed lately i wake up sometimes during the night being short of breath. But that could be other things not aas related.

Yo euro, Im not goin to sit here and pretend I know your life and struggles but it's difficult to see you continually post about only a few years left. I feel for you man, I can't imagine the struggles you're faced with and the rough road you've been down and have ahead. But sometimes it takes just one thing in life to change everything. It's good you want to make the most out of your remaining years but don't limit them. I think you need to talk to someone. Get that pain out bro, it'll help and no one would think less of you. Everyone needs help one time or another, don't be too stubborn to reach for it. It won't happen overnight but you have no idea what life has in store for you. Someday you'll find something youre so passionate about it'll be worth fighting and living for. I don't know your situation and you're probably right, it'll probably be a struggle and difficult point in your life but don't deprive yourself of the future joys you can't see coming. It's always darkest before the dawn.

[Euroholic]

Yo euro, Im not goin to sit here and pretend I know your life and struggles but it's difficult to see you continually post about only a few years left. I feel for you man, I can't imagine the struggles you're faced with and the rough road you've been down and have ahead. But sometimes it takes just one thing in life to change everything. It's good you want to make the most out of your remaining years but don't limit them. I think you need to talk to someone. Get that pain out bro, it'll help and no one would think less of you. Everyone needs help one time or another, don't be too stubborn to reach for it. It won't happen overnight but you have no idea what life has in store for you. Someday you'll find something youre so passionate about it'll be worth fighting and living for. I don't know your situation and you're probably right, it'll probably be a struggle and difficult point in your life but don't deprive yourself of the future joys you can't see coming. It's always darkest before the dawn.

Thanks mate i no it may be hard for others to understand but people need to accept others life choices. Like if i was gay or something like that. My passions in life is lifting and aas i feel like its the only thing i can control. But yea i do feel like the poster boy for bad life. All those bad things you here about kids upbringing and thats pretty much was me.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

Thanks mate i no it may be hard for others to understand but people need to accept others life choices. Like if i was gay or something like that. My passions in life is lifting and aas i feel like its the only thing i can control. But yea i do feel like the poster boy for bad life. All those bad things you here about kids upbringing and thats pretty much was me.

I hear ya man. But who knows what life holds ahead? Your past may be filled with darkness and demons, but that doesn't determine the future. The future is unknown and doesn't give a flip about your past. I dont mean to pry into your personal life but have you tried seeking help? Medication? Theres always hope and you're right, ultimately its your life decision. Every day may not be good, but there is good in every day. Live for those moments and just say f#$% it to the rest. No one can promise you a perfect future, but give yourself the opportunity for one.

[Nicotine]

my bp and pulse at rest right now is far higher than it should be.

i was planning on trying to gain more weight over the winter, but my dr is advising i drop weight. my mom died at 55 from heart disease (5 heart attacks, 4 strokes). her twin is on her deathbed currently..so...

yep, i worry.

[Euroholic]

I hear ya man. But who knows what life holds ahead? Your past may be filled with darkness and demons, but that doesn't determine the future. The future is unknown and doesn't give a flip about your past. I dont mean to pry into your personal life but have you tried seeking help? Medication? Theres always hope and you're right, ultimately its your life decision. Every day may not be good, but there is good in every day. Live for those moments and just say f#$% it to the rest. No one can promise you a perfect future, but give yourself the opportunity for one.

When i was in the army i felt like i belonged for the first time in my life. It felt like i had a family then
I started talking to the bone doctor telling him my
Thoughts next thing i no im just a useless civy so i tried to get help and it lost me everything. I did try anti
depression meds but they make me feel wired like slow i dident like it. Aas is the only thing that makes me feel good.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

When i was in the army i felt like i belonged for the first time in my life. It felt like i had a family then
I started talking to the bone doctor telling him my
Thoughts next thing i no im just a useless civy so i tried to get help and it lost me everything. I did try anti
depression meds but they make me feel wired like slow i dident like it. Aas is the only thing that makes me feel good.

Well man, you gotta start somewhere. Its unfortunate it happened that way but it doesn't have to be forever. Start small- find someone to confide in, meet new people, pick up new hobbies, or start a thread here and just vent. Find a way to let go of the pain and get it off your chest. I'm a stubborn m-f'er myself but I know I'm only shooting myself in the foot when I do. Don't go through life with this dark plan for yourself. Theres hope, open your mind to it. Im crashing out tonight but if you ever gotta vent something, feel free. The world is full of good, detective up and find it.

[Metalject]

Good point MuscleInk, I think the cardiovascular issues should be the main concern of anyone who supplements on a performance basis. Obviously following an overall healthy lifestyle makes a big difference and I'd say a lot of gear users are far more healthier in than long run in this area than many non-steroid users. But I'd be willing to bet there are just as many if not more who don't take this factor into account and it could cause some problems down the line...potentially but I'm sure the probability would vary greatly from one guy to the next based on a host of issues.

All in all, it all boils down to the risk in life that revolve around so many things in our lives. Will I one day regret my years of steroid use , some of which was probably borderline insane use? Personally, no I won't regardless of what happens simply because I'm a firm believer (even though this might sound cheesy) that we're all responsible for our actions and shouldn't take steps into any actions without realizing the full potential from both a positive and negative standpoint. I've made bad decisions in my life, as I'm sure we all have. I've made poor financial and business decisions, relationship decisions and even mistakes with steroid use but I don't have what most would call regrets. In the end you learn from these things, they shape who you are. And when that true end comes, even if it's sooner than expected, all that matters is were you a good man and in my opinion someone God is pleased with. I understand many here do not share that last sentiment but it is something that's important to me.

[marcus300]

Yo euro, Im not goin to sit here and pretend I know your life and struggles but it's difficult to see you continually post about only a few years left. I feel for you man, I can't imagine the struggles you're faced with and the rough road you've been down and have ahead. But sometimes it takes just one thing in life to change everything. It's good you want to make the most out of your remaining years but don't limit them. I think you need to talk to someone. Get that pain out bro, it'll help and no one would think less of you. Everyone needs help one time or another, don't be too stubborn to reach for it. It won't happen overnight but you have no idea what life has in store for you. Someday you'll find something youre so passionate about it'll be worth fighting and living for. I don't know your situation and you're probably right, it'll probably be a struggle and difficult point in your life but don't deprive yourself of the future joys you can't see coming. It's always darkest before the dawn.

Good post and agree

[marcus300]

my bp and pulse at rest right now is far higher than it should be.

i was planning on trying to gain more weight over the winter, but my dr is advising i drop weight. my mom died at 55 from heart disease (5 heart attacks, 4 strokes). her twin is on her deathbed currently..so...

yep, i worry.

Must be worrying if it runs in the family. What is your BP and pulse?

[warmouth]

I am greatly concerned. I think so many of us here the rest of the community talking about how healthy it actually makes you, and how it heals your ailments. I havent been in the game long, but am seeing some risk factors in my life already. I have some cardiac issues anyways, and I think that TRT has played a role in the irratic beats and palpitations. It might not be the AAS, but in my mind it is. Of course I am a worrier. I feel my use of Rx meds are way more dangerous than AAS however, and I wish I could just drop them completely.
I am very glad you of all people started this thread Marcus. It makes me feel that others might think the same way and I dont feel alone. I know when I ask for health advice sometimes, some people just down play it because they might see a real problem that they dont want to face. Muscle Ink has helped me alot, to which I am thankful.
It just seems that the major BBs from the 60s-present pose a serious risk of early death when you look at the whole picture. There are so many that seem to have checked out early. I know they use more than the average guy, and that HAS to make a difference. I mean, 2500mgs of test and 1200mgs of tren , along side clen , GH, DNP , and diurectics, for years has to play a major role on the heart problems they all seem to face (those doses were just made up, of course ). Thanks for this write up! And keep that avi up for awhile. Your others gave me nightmares. Although, this one might as well. Also, Prop Var Testim stole my avi , seriously though, he did. I changed it back.
*EDIT* While I am thinking about it.......I was on here prety late last night because I couldnt sleep due to a high pulse rate. I was watching Duck Dynasty and suddenly felt bad. I took my BP and it was 155/90 with a BPM of 98. This was resting and 5 hours after I got off of work. I had taken my vitamins and BP meds already and ended up dissolving an asprin under my tongue and took a half of my prescribed BP medication. This morning, my BP is 150/88 with BPM of 90. Scary stuff. My cardiologist appointment is scheduled in 2 weeks, so we will see then.

[warmouth]

Added in the edit.

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Alright...no more free medical advice for you jokers!!!!

MI how would u suggest dealing with medial epicondylitis??

[RaginCajun]

MI how would u suggest dealing with medial epicondylitis??

golfer's elbow, i thought we addressed this

[gearbox]

I didn't know we address this. I have medial epicondylitis.
Going to see the orthodox soon.

[jimmyinkedup]

In a word - yes. I can tell you when and why as well. It hit home when i got married and took responsibility for a then 4yr old stepdaughter. Then it compounded when I became the father of a now 16 month old little boy. Selfish or not when I was in relationships I really didint let that effect my actions or thoughts re: aas use. Now,with children, its a whole different ballgame. My priorities have totally shifted in life. There is nothing more important to me than my family and me being there to provide , protect, nurture and be a part of their lives growing up. I do not do near the things i used too when it comes to aas use. Does it bother me at times that I dont look the way i used too and will never do what is required for me to look that way again - yes it does. Then my son runs up to me and jumps in my lap while im sitting on the couch and it all comes into focus - what is really important. I am on the older side to have such young children - I want to be active and productive in their lives for a long time. The thought that something I have done or continued to do to myself would cost me quality time with them - is not a risk im willing to take anymore. My aas use is conservative compared to what it used to be and to be honest I often consider stopping or just cruising on trt with no more blasts what so ever. Im not to that point yet - but I could see me getting there.
We have to be honest about the potential risks imo. You know I asked a buddy at the gym one time "Hey how are you feeling? "He replied , "Since when is it about how I feel Jim? Im looking pretty good." I lived my life and used aas with that very same mentality for a long time. never again.

[gearbox]

In a word - yes. I can tell you when and why as well. It hit home when i got married and took responsibility for a then 4yr old stepdaughter. Then it compounded when I became the father of a now 16 month old little boy. Selfish or not when I was in relationships I really didint let that effect my actions or thoughts re: aas use. Now,with children, its a whole different ballgame. My priorities have totally shifted in life. There is nothing more important to me than my family and me being there to provide , protect, nurture and be a part of their lives growing up. I do not do near the things i used too when it comes to aas use. Does it bother me at times that I dont look the way i used too and will never do what is required for me to look that way again - yes it does. Then my son runs up to me and jumps in my lap while im sitting on the couch and it all comes into focus - what is really important. I am on the older side to have such young children - I want to be active and productive in their lives for a long time. The thought that something I have done or continued to do to myself would cost me quality time with them - is not a risk im willing to take anymore. My aas use is conservative compared to what it used to be and to be honest I often consider stopping or just cruising on trt with no more blasts what so ever. Im not to that point yet - but I could see me getting there.
We have to be honest about the potential risks imo. You know I asked a buddy at the gym one time "Hey how are you feeling? "He replied , "Since when is it about how I feel Jim? Im looking pretty good." I lived my life and used aas with that very same mentality for a long time. never again.

Now your sounding like tr

Great post for some of us younger guys to read and maybe even reevaluate

[Lunk1]

golfer's elbow, i thought we addressed this

I didn't know we address this. I have medial epicondylitis.
Going to see the orthodox soon.

MI how would u suggest dealing with medial epicondylitis??

We beat it to death but 405 refuses to take the time off to heal...stubborn old goat!

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We beat it to death but 405 refuses to take the time off to heal...stubborn old goat!

LOL hey man i thought MI was some sort of doc or something just trying to get another opinion. a medical one!

for what its worth i have stayed away from lats and curls and its prob 75% (or more) better + i got TRT doc to call in script for 800mg motrin for inflammation cuz its WAY better than that CVS OTC shit!!!

[songdog]

I really dont worry about something I have no control over.I am not a rich man but I finally got to the stag in my life.That I dont bust my ass working due to a injury.So now all I do is train hunt and fish.

[Shol'va]

Since you old timers are talking bout worries. I have a question for you all. How many times during the night do you get up to go pee? I hear this all the time from old guys at the gym, biachin bout having to get up several times a night to pee. So when does this start in life? 40, 45. 50?

[Euroholic]

Since you old timers are talking bout worries. I have a question for you all. How many times during the night do you get up to go pee? I hear this all the time from old guys at the gym, biachin bout having to get up several times a night to pee. So when does this start in life? 40, 45. 50?

Well im 24 and i get up about 4 times a night. Granted i drink about 13 liters of water a day cause its very hot were in the mine i work at. And i have a high protein diet which from what i read makes you pee alot.

[Lunk1]

LOL hey man i thought MI was some sort of doc or something just trying to get another opinion. a medical one!

for what its worth i have stayed away from lats and curls and its prob 75% (or more) better + i got TRT doc to call in script for 800mg motrin for inflammation cuz its WAY better than that CVS OTC shit!!!

Oh he is SOME sort of doc or SOMETHING!

[kelkel]

Since you old timers are talking bout worries. I have a question for you all. How many times during the night do you get up to go pee? I hear this all the time from old guys at the gym, biachin bout having to get up several times a night to pee. So when does this start in life? 40, 45. 50?

@#$#@!*

Once a night, thank you.

[Honkey_Kong]

Since you old timers are talking bout worries. I have a question for you all. How many times during the night do you get up to go pee? I hear this all the time from old guys at the gym, biachin bout having to get up several times a night to pee. So when does this start in life? 40, 45. 50?

What about the old timers that just are like "fvck it" and just Depends it?

[Shol'va]

@#$#@!*

Once a night, thank you.

Sounds like the bladder force is strong with you....

[Shol'va]

What about the old timers that just are like "fvck it" and just Depends it?

That's all well and good as long as it is just a number one you are using it for, but if its a runny number two there will be cleanup hell to pay, not to mention an all night lingering smell as well if you wait till morn to clean up.

[pjliftsalot]

The older I get the more aware I become. I just try to live as healthy a lifestyle as I can as well.I mean as far as eating and cardio and rest. Not a drinker. Things like that.

[< <Samson> >]

Yes and no. Of course it is a negative to our internals, to what point really matters on many factors such as you and what and how much AAs are you doing and for how long. . . And on and on.

But, you can't worry to the extreme. Some of the other shit we do and have done maybe way more life shortening.

[kronik420]

im more worried about the needles and having to pin myself lol than ANY side effects....

but im sure after the 1st cycle i'd be alright with them after that... i hope..