Mmm body temp of 98.8 from the T3/abuterol + 30cm of snow here.

[krugerr]

Good shout Atomini. Ill check out other ways to raise it.

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very informative thread atomini. i will have to go over this again a few times.

[t-dogg]

Not to side track this to much, but IGF1. Noramally its ran 4-5wks and stopped correct? Then off the same amount of time? I wouldnt mind trying it on cycle the last 4wks of it.

[Atomini]

I've tried pregnenolone...it seemed to increase my estrogen levels considerably.
I'm on amphetamines for ADHD. 20mg XR 2x/day. I just took my internal temp...99.5 degrees. Normally, I'm in the mid 96's. Historically, my "metabolism has sucked ass." Now I'm seeing that it's probably just that I didn't have any cortisol for my body to actually use my natural T3.

Anything to be concerned over about having a 99.5? I know anything over 101 I should be worried....but I'm thinking I should be fine if I can keep things stable like this.

Yes, that is correct. Pregnenolone is a prohormone (not a typical prohormone that we all commonly know of) but it is still a precursor, and the problem with precursors is that you have no control over what the precursor will conver into. Your case of receiving high Estrogen levels from it is a perfect example. Pregnenolone is a precursor for Estrogen, Cortisol, Testosterone , and a few other steroidal compounds that the body manufactures. DHEA (Dehydropiandrosterone) is another such precursor that I warn people to use with caution that can increase Estrogen levels too.

I wouldn't be concerned about any temperatures rising above 100. I had a fever once that landed me at 102, and if it went any higher I would've gone to the hospital. I was hallucinating it was so bad.

Not to side track this to much, but IGF1. Noramally its ran 4-5wks and stopped correct? Then off the same amount of time? I wouldnt mind trying it on cycle the last 4wks of it.

Correct. There are lots of protocols out there but the standard is 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off or 4 on / 4 off.

[Atomini]

In regards to things like Pregnenolone and DHEA, you might find this interesting:

[t-dogg]

Atomini, If you have any studies on IGF1 can you send me them?

[Atomini]

Unfortunately I don't have any on-hand. I will send any as I come across them though.

Problem with IGF-1 is that it has not been studied very much in clinical settings. The OTHER problem is that it actually to date has no approved uses in medicine. It is not used for ANYTHING medically as of yet. Not sure if you knew about that already or not.

[BBJT200]

Holy fvck. I'm melting.
100.5 degree body temp. I am so happy right now I could die. I've solved my metabolism issues...


I felt pretty normal until I ate a high cal meal. My body temp just SKYROCKETED.

[t-dogg]

Holy fvck. I'm melting.
100.5 degree body temp. I am so happy right now I could die. I've solved my metabolism issues...


I felt pretty normal until I ate a high cal meal. My body temp just SKYROCKETED.

From the T3?

[BBJT200]

From using T3 for quite a while now with no effect. Found out i'm cortisol deficient, and I've been using hydrocortisone all day. So basically...my body is using up all of the t3 that has been floating around

[Atomini]

LOL I TOLD YOU IT WOULD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!

And where the living hell did you get your hydrocortisone from? I'm not sourcing, just a general question. Not something most sources would carry anyways lol.

Also, I have noticed that when on T3, I always begin to burn up either during or right after a calorie or carb-rich meal. I love it.

[Atomini]

Alright guys, i've got some incredible news...

I've been researching extensively on methods of raising Coritsol levels without adminsitering exogenous Cortisol. THere are a few substances and supplements that one can take to easily cause a chronic increase in Cortisol! I am going to attempt to use a couple of these during the last couple of weeks I have left of T3 use and i'll report back on how this goes!! I cannot wai to try this out.

[Brick]

Alright guys, i've got some incredible news...

I've been researching extensively on methods of raising Coritsol levels without adminsitering exogenous Cortisol. THere are a few substances and supplements that one can take to easily cause a chronic increase in Cortisol! I am going to attempt to use a couple of these during the last couple of weeks I have left of T3 use and i'll report back on how this goes!! I cannot wai to try this out.

Saint johns wart, licorice root, pantothenic acid or more commonly known as vitamin B5.

Any of those on your list big guy?

Also, is there a way to test, short of blood work, if your cortisol levels are low?

[likelifting]

Atomini is on to bigger and better things....I'm still marveling at my weight loss from albuterol he suggested. I weighed 228 this morning down from 242ish. I bet tomorrow I'll be 230 but for this morning I was in the 220s. I haven't weighed in the 220s for decades.

Still lovin Albuterol ALONE!

[BBJT200]

Shine a bright light in your face and look in a mirror. After around 25-45sec, if your cortisol levels are low, your pupil will start spasming.

[BBJT200]

LOL I TOLD YOU IT WOULD WORK!!!!!!!!!!!

And where the living hell did you get your hydrocortisone from? I'm not sourcing, just a general question. Not something most sources would carry anyways lol.

Also, I have noticed that when on T3, I always begin to burn up either during or right after a calorie or carb-rich meal. I love it.

Hydrocortisone cream is OTC...pretty much everywhere. It's the 1% cream. A 28g tube = 280mg.
1g, or 1ml on a syringe, = 10mg.

and yes...I LOVE THE FIRE that comes with carbs. omg this is amazing
---I'm normally freezing all day long...so...this is quite the welcome change.

[Atomini]

Saint johns wart, licorice root, pantothenic acid or more commonly known as vitamin B5.

Any of those on your list big guy?

Also, is there a way to test, short of blood work, if your cortisol levels are low?

Yes, I came across information on the Cortisol releasing effects of licorice. But I don't want to eat licorice, i'd rather buy a pure extract in capsule form or something, and that's going to be too rare and hard to find.

But i've found something more promising: 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan).

5-HTP helps to control the levels of neurotransmitters within your brain. Your cells can use 5-HTP to produce Serotonin, a chemical involved in appetite, mood regulation and your emotional state. 5-HTP is a precursor to Serotonin that your body's cells can convert it into. Taking 5-HTP supplements helps promote new Serotonin production and can therefore boost the levels of the chemical within your brain. Since Serotonin interacts with other compounds in your body, 5-HTP can also have an effect on other hormones. This is where Cortisol comes in to play.

Your body maintains a balance of Serotonin and Cortisol production: the more Serotonin present, the more your body produces Cortisol, and vice versa. Your adrenal glands - the endocrine glands responsible for Cortisol production - contain receptors that sense the levels of Serotonin in your bloodstream. Upon exposure to Serotonin, your adrenal glands release Cortisol into your bloodstream. As a result, taking 5-HTP - through increasing your body's serotonin levels - also affects Cortisol and increases your body's Cortisol levels.

"Some of the hormonal effects of 5-HTP supplementation may not be desirable, although the relationships are complex. For example, 5-HTP increases cortisol secretion in healthy humans at doses as low as 100 mg [17, 26]. 5-HTP also causes an increase in prolactin concentrations in both animals and humans [3, 27]. These effects may be due to stimulation of 5-HT1A, 5-HT1C, 5-HT2, and possibly other 5-HT receptors [27-28]. The implications of these effects in the context of 5-HTP supplementation are not well known."

L-5-hydroxytryptophan-induced amplification of LH secretion in humans is not due to enhancement of the pituitary response to GnRH. The effect of L-5-hydroxytryptophan must therefore be due to its action on the hypothalamus, where it may be hypothesized that it increases GnRH release(1). 5-HTP is well absorbed from an oral dose, with about 70 percent ending up in the bloodstream. It easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and effectively increases central nervous system (CNS) synthesis of serotonin. In the CNS, serotonin levels have been implicated in the regulation of sleep, depression, anxiety, aggression, appetite, temperature, sexual behaviour, and pain sensation. Therapeutic administration of 5-HTP has been shown to be effective in treating a wide variety of conditions, including depression, fibromyalgia, binge eating associated with obesity, chronic headaches, and insomnia(2). However, in one study I found, test subjects were observed to demonstrate a significant rise of plasma cortisol in patients with major depression at 90 (P = 0.0001) and 120 (P = 0.002) min, but not in patients with minor depression. Patients with major depression showed significantly higher cortisol responses than those with minor depression (P = 0.016). This rise in cortisol response can be explained by an increased responsiveness of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis to 5-HTP(3).

There is also evidence to show (in these studies i've referenced) that 5-HTP supplementation may increase Prolactin levels. So, to be on the safe side, use a Prolactin antagonist while megadosing 5-HTP.

I am sold on it and i'm going in a few hours to grab some, and I am going to megadose starting today. I'll probably run 200 - 300mg today and see how it affects my rise in temperature from my T3 use. If my temperature skyrockets after taking 5-HTP, i'd say that's a pretty good indication that it's doing its job in increasing adrenal secretion of Cortisol.

OH, I also want to note that most of the day’s cortisol is actually produced in the last four hours of sleep, which means your adrenals work their hardest during that time. This is why it is reccomended to take 5-HTP before bed (it also acts as a sleep aid from what i've seen and read - I know a friend who uses it as a sleep aid and she claims it works fairly well). So, when I get my 5-HTP today I will take my 5-HTP during the day and an extra 100mg perhaps before bed tonight.

If you guys can find anything else that will induce a Cortisol release by the body, please share!!!! I am still on the constant search of anything else that will do it.

Of course, getting married will always blast Cortisol through the roof.


REFERENCES:
1. L-5-hydroxytryptophan does not stimulate LH secretion directly from the pituitary in patients with gonadotrophin releasing hormone deficiency. Lado-Abeal J, Grana M, Rey C, Cabezas-Cerrato J. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1998 Aug;49(2):203-7.
2. 5-Hydroxytryptophan: a clinically-effective serotonin precursor. Birdsall TC.
3. The cortisol responses to 5-hydroxytryptophan, orally, in depressive inpatients. Maes M, De Ruyter M, Claes R, Bosma G, Suy E. J Affect Disord. 1987 Jul-Aug;13(1):23-30.

Hydrocortisone cream is OTC...pretty much everywhere. It's the 1% cream. A 28g tube = 280mg.
1g, or 1ml on a syringe, = 10mg.

and yes...I LOVE THE FIRE that comes with carbs. omg this is amazing
---I'm normally freezing all day long...so...this is quite the welcome change.

I am not so sure this is the case here in Canada. I doubt it. But I will stop by the drug store today and check it out.

[t-dogg]

Hydrocortisone cream is OTC...pretty much everywhere. It's the 1% cream. A 28g tube = 280mg.
1g, or 1ml on a syringe, = 10mg.

and yes...I LOVE THE FIRE that comes with carbs. omg this is amazing
---I'm normally freezing all day long...so...this is quite the welcome change.

I have the same issue, Im cold all day long. Sucks...

[Brick]

Is it sold as 5-HTP or is there a brand name?

Health food store or like shoppers drug mart?

[Atomini]

Is it sold as 5-HTP or is there a brand name?

Health food store or like shoppers drug mart?

Yup, you can buy it anywhere. I'm off to grab some in about 30 mins and i'll update everyone here on my experiences with it.

Be careful with 5-HTP though because taking too much could increase Serotonin levels too much in the brain, which create what is called Serotonin syndrome and it's obviously not a good thing!

While i'm out picking up 5-HTP, I am also going to check Shoppers Drug Mart to see if they do sell Hydrocortisone cream here OTC in Canada. If they do, i'll grab some of that too. But i'll use the 5-HTP first. If it proves to be ineffective at increasing Cortisol (and thereby increasing the effect of the T3), then i'll go right to the Hydrocortisone cream).

[--->>405<<---]

Just in ur opinion atomini where (if any) would u say the risk lies when administering T3 for fat loss?

In ur opinion the addition of clenbuterol to the equation does or does not increase the likelihood for danger. If so where? Would u say the combination of the 2 makes them both more dangerous (assuming there is danger) than each alone? Such as 1 + 1 = 3 type thing.. (Im just trying to get this thing in a nutshell, figd id appeal to ur experience )

[Brick]

Atomini can I shrink you down and carry you around in my pocket? I can't think of any situation where you wouldn't be of use!

[Atomini]

Alright everyone, so I just picked up some 5-HTP at a local supplement store (Popeyes Supplements) and I also grabbed a bottle of L-Carnitine as well since it aids in fat loss.

On the way home I also stopped by Shoppers Drug Mart and picked up 2 tubes of Hydrocortisone cream, and on the label it says there is 5mg/g of Hydrocortisone. I also popped 200mg of 5-HTP on the way home before I went to Shoppers, so that was about 15 minutes ago. I wanted to take 300mg but I figured it may not be a good idea to start that high if Cortisol output becomes very large, and I might end up experiencing Thyroid Storm (especially at the dose of T3 i've been using, and i'm hoping that this stuff will work well enough to potentiate the T3 that I won't need to take as much T3 any more).

I will be monitoring temperature every so often throughout the day. If 5-HTP doesn't raise my body temperature noticeably within the next few hours, I will try the Hydrocortisone cream.

If all goes well in enhancing the effects of T3 on metabolism, I may extend my cycle by an extra 1 week only before ending it. I wish I had done all of this stuff sooner, but hey, this is what is called experience. You live and learn. At least I will be better equipped next time I decide to run a T3 cycle.

BBJT200, how did you use your Hydrocortisone cream and how much did you use?

Just in ur opinion atomini where (if any) would u say the risk lies when administering T3 for fat loss?

In ur opinion the addition of clenbuterol to the equation does or does not increase the likelihood for danger. If so where? Would u say the combination of the 2 makes them both more dangerous (assuming there is danger) than each alone? Such as 1 + 1 = 3 type thing.. (Im just trying to get this thing in a nutshell, figd id appeal to ur experience )

I don't think there is a big risk with T3 use. Only risk I can see is that if excessive doses are used, you could end up experiencing Thyroid Storm, and that's obviously not a good thing. T3 use is actually fairly safe despite the stupid bullshit myths and rumors that have polluted the AAS-using community for the last 15 years or so. In fact T3 supplementation may be beneficial, because EVERY SINGLE CELL IN YOUR BODY REQUIRES T3 FOR PROPER FUNCTION. The only inherent problem with that that I can come up with is that if your adrenal function is shot and Cortisol output is nonexistent, then that means there is insufficient Cortisol to drive T3 into the cells of your body. Now that will cause a problem. But you will know if this is the case if you experience lethargy. But keep in mind some individuals might not experience lethargy despite low Cortisol output, so this kind of thing needs to be paid special attention to.

Clenbuterol with T3 isn't a big issue but I believe Clenbuterol itself is. However, that's a totally different topic all together.

[Atomini]

No change in temperature noted as of yet, and it's been an hour and a half or so thus far.

I think for 5-HTP to do its job in triggering Cortisol release, it should be ideally taken before bed due to the fact that the adrenals release Cortisol during the last 4 hours of sleep.

I may just go ahead and try 5 - 10mg of the Hydrocortisone cream...

[Atomini]

Fvck it. I just rubbed 2 grams of the Hydrocortisone cream on my abdominal area (10mg total Hydrocortisone). Lets see how this goes...

[BBJT200]

Atonimi,
I use 15mg upon waking.

10mg post am cardio


And then 5mg every 3 hours until bedtime.


To simulate the bodys natural cortisol curve. This week though I am thinking of keeping my dose higher to get more short term fat loss as I have a photoshoot in 9 days.

[Atomini]

WOW okay, I just totally went backwards here in consuming L-Carnitine today. MY FVCKING BODY TEMPERATURE WENT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All because of the L-Carnitine!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a tip for everyone here: if you are using T3, DON'T TAKE L-CARNITINE!!!!!! IT WILL WORK AGAINST IT!!! Here's some raw information as to what L-Carnitine does to T3:

L-Carnitine is a peripheral antagonist of thyroid hormone action. It inhibits the entry of triiodo thyronine and thyroxine into the cell nuclei. Through a randomized trial, Benvenga et al. showed that 2–4 g of oral L-carnitine per day could reverse hyperthyroid symptoms even in the most serious form of hyperthyroidism: thyroid storm. They suggest that since hyperthyroidism impoverishes the tissue deposits of carnitine, there is a rationale for using L-carnitine at least in certain clinical settings. Incidentally, the fact that carnitine failed to prevent relapses of hyperthyroidism further supports the concept that carnitine action is in the periphery and not in the thyroid gland.(1)

FCKING HELL!!!! I AM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW!!! I wanted to potentiate the action of T3 and instead I made a stupid dumbass decision to go and buy L-Carnitine and start it today!!! ARRRGHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I took L-Carnitine and over the last coupel of hours my body temperature was constantly dropping and now it is resting at 97.6 despite the Hydrocortisone administration, and I was wondering what in the fvcking hell was going on, so I did some research on clinical data involving L-Carnitine's interaction with T3 and found this. No fvcking wonder! God damnit.

Well, L-Carnitine has a half-life of 15 - 17 hours, so there's always tomorrow....

Holy mother of fvck, I am so angry. Well, i'm off to the gym to hit legs. Fvck this shit.

REFERENCES:
1. "Effects of Carnitine on Thyroid Hormone Action". Benvenga, Salvatore; et al (2004). Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 1033 (1033): 158–167. doi:10.1196/annals.1320.015. PMID 15591013.

[Atomini]

I'm so fvcking angry!!! I just wasted today's T3 dose, as well as the Hydrocortisone, as well as the 5-HTP.

I'm going to cry.

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I'm so fvcking angry!!! I just wasted today's T3 dose, as well as the Hydrocortisone, as well as the 5-HTP.

I'm going to cry.

hey pal u did me a huge favor if it makes u feel any better! i inject 3000mg L-Carnitine IM every week and have been for 2 months! imagine what coulda happened to me! appreciate it. only cost u a day or 2.. could have really been a problem for me!

[BBJT200]

lol, i was actually going to start making carnitine caps when I got home to supplement my fat loss efforts...

thank you for making the mistake for me. I will learn from your frustration ;D

Got my heartrate monitor in the mail today. Sitting at the computer for five minutes, i'm resting @ 125bpm. just walking around, i'm at like 140. ...i'm re-thinking my idea of doing huge amounts of cardio right about now.
I might not need to, LOL.

I am on FIRE right now...I love this feeling.

[Atomini]

Hah, I was just going to say to you all that I hope you have all appreciated my sacrifice in making this important discovery so that you all don't have to make this mistake that I did this morning.

You guys owe me one someday!

And yeah, 405, you'd be up the creek with the Carnitine you're intaking if you were to start T3 with it. You should stop at least 2 weeks before starting T3. This is no joke when the clinical evidence says that L-Carnitine completely plummets T3's functions at the cellular level. Look how fast it totally blocked T3's effects on my metabolism this morning. I was going nuts trying to find out WHY my temperature was DROPPING!

I'm back from my leg workout and at least I got some frustration out. On the up side, my strength is soaring in the gym from the IGF-1 even though I am cutting. Pumps are insane, and the drive to push harder in the gym is at the utmost maximum I have ever had in my life.

EDIT: Good news is I just took my temp, and it's back up: 98.1 from 97.6 as of this morning. Maybe my workout had utilized the stores of L-Carnitine I took. I am going to apply another 5 - 10mg of Hydrocortisone right now and see what happens. Wish me luck.

[t-dogg]

Ive been reading on Hydrocortisone, interesting stuff if it works.

[Atomini]

Ive been reading on Hydrocortisone, interesting stuff if it works.

Of course it works, it's Cortisol in a cream preparation! LOL that's like saying "Testosterone sounds like interesting stuff iffff it works". Haha.

[t-dogg]

Of course it works, it's Cortisol in a cream preparation! LOL that's like saying "Testosterone sounds like interesting stuff iffff it works". Haha.

LOL, meaning Ive read it removes fat where you put it on. Guess I should wrote that alittle better. Makes me think of info commericals late at night. Most of the creams Im seeing are 1%.

[Atomini]

LOL, meaning Ive read it removes fat where you put it on. Guess I should wrote that alittle better. Makes me think of info commericals late at night. Most of the creams Im seeing are 1%.

Where did you read or hear about this?

I can see how it MIGHT have spot reduction capabilities when used with T3 if you rub it onto an area of fat that you want it to act synergystically with T3 on to increase metabolism in fat cells. BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, my Hydrocortisone tube says the following on it: "Hydrocortisone Acetate 5mg/g in hydrophilic cream base".

This is an esterified Hydrocortisone with the Acetate ester attached to it. As with AAS, the ester needs to be cleaved off before the free hormone can do its job systemically in the body. THis leads me to believe that there can't be localized fat loss.

[t-dogg]

Im seeing mixed reviews on if it does/doesnt work for cutting fat. I also read that its great for endurance guys. Ill Ive been doing is using google. Typed in "does Cortisol burn fat" actually.




Also and this is back on the topic of Noopept, this morning I had my black coffee like I normally drink. Plain old Maxwell house blend, and I must say it smelled better then it ever has. Fluke maybe? Placebo? IDK.



Not sure If I should be posting this here Atomini "hijacking".

[Atomini]

I've actually been doing some periodic research today on Cortisol and I have realized that Cortisol is nowhere near the enemy hormone of bodybuilders and athletes that people have made it out to be.

I've known this for a long time, but I am only now seeing the hard evidence. For example, check this study out:

Effects of cortisol on lipolysis and regional interstitial glycerol levels in humans. Djurhuus CB, Gravholt CH, Nielsen S, Mengel A, Christiansen JS, Schmitz OE, Møller N. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Jul;283(1):E172-7.

Abstract


Cortisol's effects on lipid metabolism are controversial and may involve stimulation of both lipolysis and lipogenesis. This study was undertaken to define the role of physiological hypercortisolemia on systemic and regional lipolysis in humans. We investigated seven healthy young male volunteers after an overnight fast on two occasions by means of microdialysis and palmitate turnover in a placebo-controlled manner with a pancreatic pituitary clamp involving inhibition with somatostatin and substitution of growth hormone , glucagon, and insulin at basal levels. Hydrocortisone infusion increased circulating concentrations of cortisol (888 +/- 12 vs. 245 +/- 7 nmol/l). Interstitial glycerol concentrations rose in parallel in abdominal (327 +/- 35 vs. 156 +/- 30 micromol/l; P = 0.05) and femoral (178 +/- 28 vs. 91 +/- 22 micromol/l; P = 0.02) adipose tissue. Systemic [(3)H]palmitate turnover increased (165 +/- 17 vs. 92 +/- 24 micromol/min; P = 0.01). Levels of insulin, glucagon, and growth hormone were comparable. In conclusion, the present study unmistakably shows that cortisol in physiological concentrations is a potent stimulus of lipolysis and that this effect prevails equally in both femoral and abdominal adipose tissue.

Cortisol is a very very important hormone, and some other studies i've seen show that it indeed also aids in muscle growth. As with any hormone, what Cortisol does to us is defined by the conditions under which it is operating in the body. For example, i'll try to explain this in laymans terms:

Cortisol + abundant levels of hormone X = Lipogenesis (fat storage)

Cortisol + abundant levels of hormone Y = Lipolysis (fat breakdown)

This is only where fat metabolism is concerned. Cortisol has other effects on the body, and again, these effects are all determined by:

1. What type of systemic environment Cortisol is operating in within the human body.
2. Levels of Cortisol itself.
3. Levels of hormones that interact synergistically with Cortisol.
4. Stimulus that the body receives (i.e. stressful situations, catecholamine increases, etc.)

And many more. I am honestly disgusted with how the bodybuilding community has oversimplified the concept of different hormones in the body, and relegated the function of these complex hormones down to idiotic and moronic over-simplistic conclusions.... For example:

"OMG CORTISOL STORES FAT AND BREAKS DOWN MUSCLE TISSUE!!! DESTROY CORTISOL AT ALL COSTS!!!!"

"OMG ESTROGEN IS NOT REQUIRED AND IS BAD!!! TAKE HIGH DOSES OF AROMATASE INHIBITORS TO TOTALLY ELIMINATE ESTROGEN!!!"

"OMG DHT IS BAD!! IT MAKES YOU LOSE HAIR! WE NEED TO FILL A CEREAL BOWL WITH 5-ALPHA REDUCTASE INHIBITORS AND EAT IT FOR BREAKFAST EVERY MORNING!!! AAAAHHHHHHHH!"

No, no, no, no, NO!!! Seriously, people have no idea what they are talking about. Well over 80% of the morons among the bodybuilding community and in the AAS-using community in general are just blowing hot air out of their asses when they talk. These stupid notions are created by idiots who have no proper educational background in these subjects, and therefore they do not understand the rich and vast complexity of these things. You just can't relegate complex biochemical functions of the human body to simplistic statements like "this is bad, we must eliminate it at all costs" and "that's bad, we must eliminate it at all costs". Holy Christ, no wonder bodybuilding in general was in a dark age for more than 30 years during which time people were doing the dumbest most illogical shit in the gyms before real science started entering into it and telling people "no, that's not how the body works, THIS is how you need to do things". And even today there is still a massive amount of hogwash and misinformation flying around. I'm trying to put a stop to this kind of retardedness.

With the amount of crap information out there, I feel like i'm in a room full of farts and I need a breath of fresh air.

God damn, nothing drives me up the wall worse than when people use irrational and flawed logic, and it spreads around the AAS-using community like wildfire.

[Atomini]

Random side-note: if L-Carnitine was a person, I would beat his ass to a pulp, disembowel him with a wooden cooking spoon, and leave him bleeding in the moonlight

[t-dogg]

^^^^^



That study was posted from pubmed.gov right? ncib.gov right?

[Atomini]

Yeah I got that Cortisol study off pubmed.