Mmm body temp of 98.8 from the T3/abuterol + 30cm of snow here.

[likelifting]

I dose my albuterol once a day. I can walk around bare feet on cold floor and the wife thinks I'm crazy. But at night, I'm friggin freezing. I think I need a second dose late afternoon. Correct?

[Atomini]

I dose my albuterol once a day. I can walk around bare feet on cold floor and the wife thinks I'm crazy. But at night, I'm friggin freezing. I think I need a second dose late afternoon. Correct?

Wrong. Body temperature normally drops at night when the body goes to sleep. This is normal.

[likelifting]

K. Thanks.

[Brick]

So, 5- HTP verdict?

[sixfootseven]

quick question, what the advantage of using albuterol instead of clen ?

[likelifting]

^ 1 advantage you will most likely read is 'less sides'.

[sixfootseven]

^ 1 advantage you will most likely read is 'less sides'.

yeah i read that, but does it burn fat as well and does it have a similar anti-catabolic effect?

[likelifting]

^ Leaving that to Atomini. But I am so happy that I discovered Albuterol. Read Atomini's posts about it and tried it and it works for me. No real jittery feeling. It gives me energy and I haven't noticed ANY muscle loss from it. Thats not a scientific answer, just results. Ordering some more while on sale at ar-r .

[sixfootseven]

^ Leaving that to Atomini. But I am so happy that I discovered Albuterol. Read Atomini's posts about it and tried it and it works for me. No real jittery feeling. It gives me energy and I haven't noticed ANY muscle loss from it. Thats not a scientific answer, just results. Ordering some more while on sale at ar-r.

yeah the sides w clen did get a little bothersome for me

[Atomini]

So, 5- HTP verdict?

Inconclusive as I have not used it since that first pitiful dose I used.

I switched to trying to Hydrocortisone cream first, but unfortunately I am still suffering the ill effects of the L-Carnitine on T3 function at the cellular level. I tried applying the Hydrocortisone cream a few times today and nil, still no increase in body temperature. Right now it is resting at 97.5. Fvcking L-Carnitine, set me back now TWO FVCKING DAYS SO FAR by rendering T3 totallY USELES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM SO PISSED OFF!!!!!

I am exending my cycle an extra few days because of this. L-Carnitine is a serious fvcking inhibitor of T3 at the cellular level, it really is no joke.

Once again, I remind everyone here: under no circumstances should anyone use L-Carnitine with T3, it will render T3 functionality totally and utterly useless. I am now paying for it 2 days in.

5-HTP will not be attempted until the Hydrocortisone works, but I need to first wait for the L-Carnitine to completely clear from my system so that T3 can actually do its god damn job again. L-Carnitine's half-life as I said is about 15 - 17 hours, and that's pretty fvcking long. That means it will take at LEAST 30 - 34 hours for most of it to clear my system. That's almost 2 days. Fvck this shit, god damnit.

quick question, what the advantage of using albuterol instead of clen?

In a nutshell:

- Much safer
- Less strenuous on the cardiovascular system
- Far less intense stimulant-related side effects (jitters, shakes, tremors)

yeah i read that, but does it burn fat as well and does it have a similar anti-catabolic effect?

Yes, absolutely. The following speaks for itself on this issue:

"Albuterol has been proven just as efficient as clenbutrol and in fact has been proven anabolic even in humans, while clenbuterol has been proven anabolic in animals only. "
Journal of Sport Medicine 1997 Dec
Clarkson PM, Thompson HS
Department of Exercise Science, School of Public Health and Health Sciences, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, USA.

"Albuterol (2.7 ppm) fed to pigs between weaning and slaughter increased ADG (5%), dressing percentage (2%) and cross-sectional area of the longissimus (LD) muscle (14%). In fatter, White-line-sired pigs, but not in leaner, Meat-line-sired animals, it reduced backfat thickness (25%)." (This means increased muscle mass by 14% and fat decrease by 25%)
Journal Animal Science 1990 Jan
Warriss PD, Brown SN, Rolph TP, Kestin SC.
AFRC Institute of Food Research, Bristol Laboratory, Langford, UK.

"The data demonstrate that the chronic administration of therapeutic levels of Albuterol increases maximal anaerobic power in man, irrespective of the subjects' training status"
International Sports Medicine 2005 Sep
Le Panse B, Collomp K, Portier H, Lecoq AM, Jaffre C, Beaupied H, Richard O, Benhamou L, De Ceaurriz J, Courteix D.
LPM-IPROS, Faculte des Sports, Orleans, France.
"..in response to salbutamol administration (DeltaAIx-Salb) were determined before and after weight reduction. After a 12-week weight reduction program, the average weight loss was 7.96 +/- 3.47 kg, with losses of 21.88 +/- 20.39 cm2 in visceral fat areas.."
Yonsei Med J. 2005 Aug
Park SH, Shim KW.
Department of Cardiology and Ewha Medical Research Institute

[sixfootseven]

Well thnx man, I'm sold.

[krugerr]

Well for anybody in the UK. Hydrocortisol cream is cheap and easy to get. About £3.50 for this 15g tube. I just told the chemist my girlfriend had dermatitis.
Ill report back with how it effects my body temperature.

[Atomini]

Well for anybody in the UK. Hydrocortisol cream is cheap and easy to get. About £3.50 for this 15g tube. I just told the chemist my girlfriend had dermatitis.
Ill report back with how it effects my body temperature.

You have to go to the dispensary at the back of the pharmacy for it?

Here in Canada we can grab it off the shelf no problem, and its about the same price for the same amount here. I bought like 20 tubes and at checkout the cashier was looking at me like I was buying all this stuff for some kind of weird fetish. Here is my Hydrocortisone:



I think I am coming out of the tail end of that setback caused by the L-Carnitine, as my temperature is now back up in the 98.3 range but not as high as I want. I've been applying Hydrocortisone a few times throughout the day today but no significant increases in body temp above the aformentioned range, probably because there is still some L-Carnitine floating around in my bloodstream inhibiting the function of T3 in cells. Damn that stuff set me back almost 3 days, I am so angry. I've decided to extend my cycle another week as a result of the setback.

[krugerr]

Yea, it's not on the shelf. So just have to go to the counter. They don't require a prescription. They just check you're using it for a valid reason.

Bastardz

[Atomini]

YES!!! My body temperature is up to 99.6!

I did switch to oral temperature testing though. Armpit (axillary) temperature is far less accurate. Note to everyone: never measure temperature axillary, do it orally for best results and you have to really push the thermometer under the tongue right to the back hard, press the tongue down on the thermometer, and keep the mouth closed. BBJT200, what method of testing did you use?

Also, I think the first tube of Hydrocortisone may have been bunk... I started my 2nd tube a couple of hours ago and found that it rubs on much easier and absorbs quicker. The first tube the cream stayed on for too long, left an oily residue but not too much. I have only taken 10mg of Hydrocortisone today and will keep updating.

I will also be continuing 5-HTP, but before bed time.

[BBJT200]

YES!!! My body temperature is up to 99.6!

I did switch to oral temperature testing though. Armpit (axillary) temperature is far less accurate. Note to everyone: never measure temperature axillary, do it orally for best results and you have to really push the thermometer under the tongue right to the back hard, press the tongue down on the thermometer, and keep the mouth closed. BBJT200, what method of testing did you use?

Also, I think the first tube of Hydrocortisone may have been bunk... I started my 2nd tube a couple of hours ago and found that it rubs on much easier and absorbs quicker. The first tube the cream stayed on for too long, left an oily residue but not too much. I have only taken 10mg of Hydrocortisone today and will keep updating.

I will also be continuing 5-HTP, but before bed time.

I've also found that some of my hydrocortisone cream has seemed to be off.
I use rectal temps for the best accuracy. I've been consistent between 99.5-100.5 for the last few days. I'm having to be very careful not to overheat at the gym, though. I started seeing things the other night and immediately went for an ice shower.

[Atomini]

I've also found that some of my hydrocortisone cream has seemed to be off.
I use rectal temps for the best accuracy. I've been consistent between 99.5-100.5 for the last few days. I'm having to be very careful not to overheat at the gym, though. I started seeing things the other night and immediately went for an ice shower.

I honestly thought you were joking there, but hey... if it works for you and that's what you prefer! I personally am fine with oral temperature measurement, and the difference between the readings from that and rectal are not that much different for me to find it worth it putting my thermometer up my ass.

It's also more convenient. I don't have to take off my pants and... you know. Especially if i'm out and about during the day, or at the gym.

Could you imagine,

Me: "Hey bro, could you help me here a sec?"

Him: "Sure, need a spotter or something?"

*Pulls down pants, bends over*

Me: "Nah, I need to monitor my temp, I need your help. I've got such an intense pump right now I can't reach my ass."

[BBJT200]

I honestly thought you were joking there, but hey... if it works for you and that's what you prefer! I personally am fine with oral temperature measurement, and the difference between the readings from that and rectal are not that much different for me to find it worth it putting my thermometer up my ass.

It's also more convenient. I don't have to take off my pants and... you know. Especially if i'm out and about during the day, or at the gym.

Could you imagine,

Me: "Hey bro, could you help me here a sec?"

Him: "Sure, need a spotter or something?"

*Pulls down pants, bends over*

Me: "Nah, I need to monitor my temp, I need your help. I've got such an intense pump right now I can't reach my ass."

lmao. My oral temps read almost half a degree lower, regardless of how hard i press etc. I spend a lot of time at home so I just monitor throughout the day. They're also incredibly inconsistent.

[Atomini]

So far i've found oral temps to be fairly consistent. It will occasionally fluctuate for me +/- 2 degrees, so it's not bad. Now, arm pit temperatures are way different and are by far the most inconsistent I found, especially if you switch arms.

Oh, here's are 2 tips when it comes to oral temperature readings that nobody ever knows:

1. Keep your mouth closed for at least a few minutes before putting the thermometer under the tongue. Breathing air in and out can cool off the mouth cavity.
2. Don't eat or drink anything hot or cold within 10 - 15 minutes before taking an oral temperature. Chewing gum changes it as well but not as drastically (I tested the gum thing today), and the wait time with gum is 5 minutes.

People just think you just stick the thermometer under the tongue and that's it. No. Keep your mouth closed for like 2 - 5 minutes before taking the temperature, and make sure you haven't recently eaten or drank anything. Try that and see if you find a difference. I guarantee you'll get less inconsistency than you used to.

[BBJT200]

So far i've found oral temps to be fairly consistent. It will occasionally fluctuate for me +/- 2 degrees, so it's not bad. Now, arm pit temperatures are way different and are by far the most inconsistent I found, especially if you switch arms.

Oh, here's are 2 tips when it comes to oral temperature readings that nobody ever knows:

1. Keep your mouth closed for at least a few minutes before putting the thermometer under the tongue. Breathing air in and out can cool off the mouth cavity.
2. Don't eat or drink anything hot or cold within 10 - 15 minutes before taking an oral temperature. Chewing gum changes it as well but not as drastically (I tested the gum thing today), and the wait time with gum is 5 minutes.

People just think you just stick the thermometer under the tongue and that's it. No. Keep your mouth closed for like 2 - 5 minutes before taking the temperature, and make sure you haven't recently eaten or drank anything. Try that and see if you find a difference. I guarantee you'll get less inconsistency than you used to.

That could help...but i'm drinking so much water throughout the day that I don't ever go more than few minutes without drinking.

[BBJT200]

So I just floored my estrogen.
Historically, ive had to use 25mg aromasin e.d. AND letrozole 1.25mg/day to control estrogen on 500mg test/wk.

Apparently my excessive estrogen levels were from my cortisol deficiency because my estrogen levels tanked yesterday afternoon. I feel awful and depressed...but absolutely no water retention (im used to having a lot)

As im using hydrocortisone all day, my body no longer fails to produce cortisol during times of stress, yielding estrogen.
Thats my best guess as to what is going on.

My dick doesnt work. Well...half way with cialis...but not enough to be able to use it.

I need to fix this asap. I supose I could skip a day of h.c. and put myself through tons of stress, drop my a.I. to 10mg stane per day and or

Or...take a hefty dose of dhea/pregnenolone or....dianabol ?

I need some suggestions here because im flying to vegas in five days for some adult film work and I need my tools to work.



HELP!

[BBJT200]

This also explains why the only time I ever had any sort of a sex drive was when I was extremely stressed out.

And why I used to bloat like crazy whenever I was stressed.

Ugh! I wish I had known sooner.

[BBJT200]

If I had test prop on hand id just do a hefty dose of that and sort of slingshot estrogen back up...but all I have on hand is test e, dbol , tbol, var, deca , tren ace.

Dhea/dbol seems to be the best option. I can always bring estro back down with ai's as needed...but I need to get estro back up to levels that allow for sexual function asap. Not to mention my joints are so dry I feel like im 100 years old

[likelifting]

If I had test prop on hand id just do a hefty dose of that and sort of slingshot estrogen back up...but all I have on hand is test e, dbol, tbol, var, deca, tren ace.
Dhea/dbol seems to be the best option. I can always bring estro back down with ai's as needed...but I need to get estro back up to levels that allow for sexual function asap. Not to mention my joints are so dry I feel like im 100 years old

Thats all?

[Atomini]

The only way to know exactly what's going on and how to know what to do is bloodwork, which obviously won't happen in the time frame you've described.

[likelifting]

Atomini, How long can Albut be cycled for?

[BBJT200]

Yeah, bloodwork isn't an option in this timeframe.
But if the case were indeed crashed estrogen, which it appears to be, what would my best option here be?

Drop my AI for a few days, throw in some dbol /extra test, what?

[Atomini]

Atomini, How long can Albut be cycled for?

As long as you want, provided you use Ketotifen to upregulate Beta 2 receptors, and provided you don't care at all about your heart health.

All stimulants should be halted after 8 - 10 weeks of use due to stresses on the cardiovascular system and adrenal glands.

Yeah, bloodwork isn't an option in this timeframe.
But if the case were indeed crashed estrogen, which it appears to be, what would my best option here be?

Drop my AI for a few days, throw in some dbol/extra test, what?

Yeah drop the AI but this will work IF the problem really is bottomed out Estrogen. I wouldn't start upping the Dianabol or Testosterone just to encourage more aromatization though, that's just wrong.

[likelifting]

As long as you want, provided you use Ketotifen to upregulate Beta 2 receptors, and provided you don't care at all about your heart health.

All stimulants should be halted after 8 - 10 weeks of use due to stresses on the cardiovascular system and adrenal glands.

LOL Yeah, I don't care about heart health.

Here I thought albut was in the thermogenic category and not a stimulant.

Damn!

[Atomini]

LOL Yeah, I don't care about heart health.

Here I thought albut was in the thermogenic category and not a stimulant.

Damn!

What? Albuterol IS a thermogenic...

Clenbuterol is a thermogenic.

Ephedrine is a thermogenic.

Caffeine is a thermogenic.

T3 is a thermogenic.

DNP (Dinitrophenol) is a thermogenic.

Caffeine, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, and Ephedrine are all stimulants.

T3 and DNP are not.

The prefix "thermo" means "heat", and the suffix "genic" is essentiall derived from the word "genesis" which means "to create". Thermogenic means heat generation. The heat generation that results from the use of all of the aforementioned compounds comes from the breakdown of triglycerides into free fatty acids, which are then metabolized ("burned") by the mitochondria of your body's cells, and the result is a release of heat. In layman's terms: 'Thermogenic' means the heat generation from fat being burned as fuel in the body.

Thermogenic also refers to microorganisms that can generate heat within organic waste. Those are also referred to as thermogenics.

People's understanding of thermogenics and what they are is totally flawed beyond belief.

[likelifting]

What? Albuterol IS a thermogenic...

Clenbuterol is a thermogenic.

Ephedrine is a thermogenic.

Caffeine is a thermogenic.

T3 is a thermogenic.

DNP (Dinitrophenol) is a thermogenic.

Caffeine, Albuterol, Clenbuterol, and Ephedrine are all stimulants.

T3 and DNP are not.

The prefix "thermo" means "heat", and the suffix "genic" is essentiall derived from the word "genesis" which means "to create". Thermogenic means heat generation. The heat generation that results from the use of all of the aforementioned compounds comes from the breakdown of triglycerides into free fatty acids, which are then metabolized ("burned") by the mitochondria of your body's cells, and the result is a release of heat. In layman's terms: 'Thermogenic' means the heat generation from fat being burned as fuel in the body.

Thermogenic also refers to microorganisms that can generate heat within organic waste. Those are also referred to as thermogenics.

People's understanding of thermogenics and what they are is totally flawed beyond belief.

Well it sounds like I'm not alone, cuz you said 'Peoples' plural. Not just me. Thanks for the definition/explanation. You always seem to be able to put technical data in ways us common folk can understand.

I hate stims. I hate the way I feel on them. I didn't feel that way with albut so thought it was in a different class of fat burners.

Also I just checked and I went through 1 bottle in 4 weeks. I started on a low dose. But at 6mg/ml and a 60ml bottle, I only ran 360mg. So I'm thinking I should be good for at least another bottle over the next 4 weeks. The next 4 weeks is my PCT from a 4 month test cycle. I'm determined NOT to gain any fat.

If you have any thoughts on running during PCT, that would be great. Hopefully it would be no problem.

[Atomini]

Well it sounds like I'm not alone, cuz you said 'Peoples' plural. Not just me. Thanks for the definition/explanation. You always seem to be able to put technical data in ways us common folk can understand.

I hate stims. I hate the way I feel on them. I didn't feel that way with albut so thought it was in a different class of fat burners.

Also I just checked and I went through 1 bottle in 4 weeks. I started on a low dose. But at 6mg/ml and a 60ml bottle, I only ran 360mg. So I'm thinking I should be good for at least another bottle over the next 4 weeks. The next 4 weeks is my PCT from a 4 month test cycle. I'm determined NOT to gain any fat.

If you have any thoughts on running during PCT, that would be great. Hopefully it would be no problem.

Yes, absolutely. I think the vast majority of people have no clue about what thermogenics are, how they work, or what the word even means. I had one guy a few months ago tell me at the gym that a thermogenic makes your body heat go up by increasing your heart rate, and because your body heat goes up... you burn fat. WHAT!!?!??!? That answer makes NO sense!!! Your fat doesn't burn because your body heat rises! Your body heat rises because you are burning fat (or carbs, or protein)! I won't even begin to explain the flaws in facts there!

Why are people making up stupid shit to sound smart when they really know nothing about what they are talking about? Furthermore, these topics can easily be googled, searched, or even found in a biology textbook.

As to your PCT question, I don't understand what you're asking. You mentioned a bottle... of what? PCT for what?

[--->>405<<---]

quick question, what the advantage of using albuterol instead of clen?

In a nutshell:
- Much safer
- Less strenuous on the cardiovascular system
- Far less intense stimulant-related side effects (jitters, shakes, tremors)

1. atomini i am a bit curious as to how albuterol is less strenuous on the heart? how is this stress quantified?

2. assuming all these are true and correct plus the fact that albuterol is just as effective at burning fat why would anyone use clenbuterol ?

3. would u recommend someone using T3 for the first time to use it alone without the assistance of a stimulant such as albuterol? if so why? if not why not?

4. which would u recommend to be tried first if someone hadnt used either T3 or albuterol? why? (i suppose what im getting at is which one is the most effective by itself for burning fat? im guessing it is T3 prob by a longshot)..

thx (hope u dont mind the interrogation! )

[likelifting]

Yes, absolutely. I think the vast majority of people have no clue about what thermogenics are, how they work, or what the word even means. I had one guy a few months ago tell me at the gym that a thermogenic makes your body heat go up by increasing your heart rate, and because your body heat goes up... you burn fat. WHAT!!?!??!? That answer makes NO sense!!! Your fat doesn't burn because your body heat rises! Your body heat rises because you are burning fat (or carbs, or protein)! I won't even begin to explain the flaws in facts there!

Why are people making up stupid shit to sound smart when they really know nothing about what they are talking about? Furthermore, these topics can easily be googled, searched, or even found in a biology textbook.

As to your PCT question, I don't understand what you're asking. You mentioned a bottle... of what? PCT for what?

Thanks A!

Another bottle of Albuterol. 6mg/ml - 60ml total. I was going to run albuterol during my PCT. My PCT started today and would be week 4-8 of an albuterol run. My PCT is for a Test cycle. Shouldn't be problem to run 4 more weeks of albuterol during my PCT, correct?

^ Still seems confusing. Sorry if it is.

[Atomini]

1. atomini i am a bit curious as to how albuterol is less strenuous on the heart? how is this stress quantified?

2. assuming all these are true and correct plus the fact that albuterol is just as effective at burning fat why would anyone use clenbuterol ?

3. would u recommend someone using T3 for the first time to use it alone without the assistance of a stimulant such as albuterol? if so why? if not why not?

4. which would u recommend to be tried first if someone hadnt used either T3 or albuterol? why? (i suppose what im getting at is which one is the most effective by itself for burning fat? im guessing it is T3 prob by a longshot)..

thx (hope u dont mind the interrogation! )

1. Anyone can easily notice: far less severe impact on blood pressure than Clenbuterol, and heart rate doesn't go up as high as Clenbuterol at effective doses. Now, we know that Clenbuterol has demonstrated heat cell apoptosis (cell death) in mice and rats. This has caused concern as to whether or not this occurs in humans. We don't know if this is or isn't the case with Albuterol. But with that being said, anything that affects blood pressure and heart rate less than Clenbuterol must be considered a better condition. Of course, any and ALL stimulants are not good in general for the cardiovascular system.

2. That's the question i've been wondering!!

3. Yes, you can use T3 without stimulants no problem. I don't get where this weird protocol came along where people have this idea that you HAVE TO run T3 with Albuterol or Clenbuterol or whatever. You don't. T3 is incredible on it's own, period. It just so happens that T3 has a synergistic effect with Beta-2 agonists (T3 potentiates the effect of adrenal hormones and has also been shown to upregulate Beta-2 receptors in the body).

4. T3 by far, but remember to run it with AAS at the hefty fat burning doses.

Thanks A!

Another bottle of Albuterol. 6mg/ml - 60ml total. I was going to run albuterol during my PCT. My PCT started today and would be week 4-8 of an albuterol run. My PCT is for a Test cycle. Shouldn't be problem to run 4 more weeks of albuterol during my PCT, correct?

^ Still seems confusing. Sorry if it is.

No, shouldn't be a problem.

[--->>405<<---]

1. Anyone can easily notice: far less severe impact on blood pressure than Clenbuterol , and heart rate doesn't go up as high as Clenbuterol at effective doses. Now, we know that Clenbuterol has demonstrated heat cell apoptosis (cell death) in mice and rats. This has caused concern as to whether or not this occurs in humans. We don't know if this is or isn't the case with Albuterol. But with that being said, anything that affects blood pressure and heart rate less than Clenbuterol must be considered a better condition. Of course, any and ALL stimulants are not good in general for the cardiovascular system.

2. That's the question i've been wondering!!

3. Yes, you can use T3 without stimulants no problem. I don't get where this weird protocol came along where people have this idea that you HAVE TO run T3 with Albuterol or Clenbuterol or whatever. You don't. T3 is incredible on it's own, period. It just so happens that T3 has a synergistic effect with Beta-2 agonists (T3 potentiates the effect of adrenal hormones and has also been shown to upregulate Beta-2 receptors in the body).

4. T3 by far, but remember to run it with AAS at the hefty fat burning dose.

good deal man thx

[likelifting]

1. Anyone can easily notice: far less severe impact on blood pressure than Clenbuterol , and heart rate doesn't go up as high as Clenbuterol at effective doses. Now, we know that Clenbuterol has demonstrated heat cell apoptosis (cell death) in mice and rats. This has caused concern as to whether or not this occurs in humans. We don't know if this is or isn't the case with Albuterol. But with that being said, anything that affects blood pressure and heart rate less than Clenbuterol must be considered a better condition. Of course, any and ALL stimulants are not good in general for the cardiovascular system.

2. That's the question i've been wondering!!

3. Yes, you can use T3 without stimulants no problem. I don't get where this weird protocol came along where people have this idea that you HAVE TO run T3 with Albuterol or Clenbuterol or whatever. You don't. T3 is incredible on it's own, period. It just so happens that T3 has a synergistic effect with Beta-2 agonists (T3 potentiates the effect of adrenal hormones and has also been shown to upregulate Beta-2 receptors in the body).

4. T3 by far, but remember to run it with AAS at the hefty fat burning doses.



No, shouldn't be a problem.

Muchas grabass.

[likelifting]

1. Anyone can easily notice: far less severe impact on blood pressure than Clenbuterol , and heart rate doesn't go up as high as Clenbuterol at effective doses. Now, we know that Clenbuterol has demonstrated heat cell apoptosis (cell death) in mice and rats. This has caused concern as to whether or not this occurs in humans. We don't know if this is or isn't the case with Albuterol. But with that being said, anything that affects blood pressure and heart rate less than Clenbuterol must be considered a better condition. Of course, any and ALL stimulants are not good in general for the cardiovascular system.

2. That's the question i've been wondering!!

3. Yes, you can use T3 without stimulants no problem. I don't get where this weird protocol came along where people have this idea that you HAVE TO run T3 with Albuterol or Clenbuterol or whatever. You don't. T3 is incredible on it's own, period. It just so happens that T3 has a synergistic effect with Beta-2 agonists (T3 potentiates the effect of adrenal hormones and has also been shown to upregulate Beta-2 receptors in the body).

4. T3 by far, but remember to run it with AAS at the hefty fat burning doses.



No, shouldn't be a problem.

Would Mod GRF (1-29) and Ipam be the same as AAS to run with T3. If you are not sure, I can probably test it out and report back.

[Atomini]

Would Mod GRF (1-29) and Ipam be the same as AAS to run with T3. If you are not sure, I can probably test it out and report back.

Absolutely not. HGH secretagogues and other peptides just do not provide the direct nitrogen retaining power that AAS does. MAYBE, MAYBE if you ran IGF-1 LR3 and a couple other peptides with a low-moderate dose of T3, you could keep off catabolism. But I won't be the test subject for that, I don't want to risk muscle loss!

If you want to try it out and don't mind potentially losing some of your muscle to be our guinea pig for this, then let us know.

[likelifting]

Absolutely not. HGH secretagogues and other peptides just do not provide the direct nitrogen retaining power that AAS does. MAYBE, MAYBE if you ran IGF-1 LR3 and a couple other peptides with a low-moderate dose of T3, you could keep off catabolism. But I won't be the test subject for that, I don't want to risk muscle loss!

If you want to try it out and don't mind potentially losing some of your muscle to be our guinea pig for this, then let us know.

Thanks A. As usual, a very informative answer.

But I might do it. I've never had a problem gaining muscle where I'm satified with myself. I won't be HUGE, but I like fitness more than being HUGE. So if I try it and lose a little, no big deal, I can get it back. I need to get this PCT going and then see what I want to add in. Like I said, I have Ipam, Mod GRF (1-29), T3, Albut, etc ready to roll. I really like experimenting with this stuff.