Ladies and Guns-Any Thoughts?

[Euroholic]

I don't mind differing opinions, but that is just an ignorant statement. Why the "bleep" would I want to move? If you study our constitution a little you might have a better understanding.

Well you say in your op that its getting scarier by the minute. So as soon as you get your gun do you think that you will be safer? Im not having a go at you i just can not understand the mentality of i have a gun on my hip i am safe now. You no what im getting at?

[warmouth]

Guns are dumb and women don't need them. Guns kill people!

LOL! Heck yeah get a gun. Capes suggestion is a great one. And in my 380, I have it stacked with very agressive hollowpoints and solids. That way I have a little of everything hitting the perp. Ny car gun is a Springfield 1911 45 cal. Nobody is going to be able to take me to court after I deal with someone trying to take my life. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried away by 6.

[Lunk1]

Well you say in your op that its getting scarier by the minute. So as soon as you get your gun do you think that you will be safer? Im not having a go at you i just can not understand the mentality of i have a gun on my hip i am safe now. You no what im getting at?

If I carry a gun I increase my odds if confronted with a life threatening situation...plain and simple! It can happen anywhere...anytime...to anybody!

[Papa Smurf]

OK....cpl things to address! Black Talons were not teflon coated! They had a Lubalox coatingthat turned the bullet a black color! Their biggest claim to fame was the sharp edges that opened up upon impact! The best bullets (not rounds) for self defense are bonded hallow point ammo! This is ammo where the copper jacket is bonded to the lead core so that the bullet stays in one large piece upon mushrooming instead of breaking into pieces! This helps to create a larger temporary and permenant wound cavity!

Bullet size: The .380 which is simply a necked down 9mm has come very far in the last several years! The choice of ammo size is give and take! The bigger the bullet...the bigger the gun in most cases! The art is finding that happy medium! I do not prefer a 9mm mainly due to it's velocity! It tends to have too uch penetration! The goal is 6-8" of penetration into the body! Bang for the buck...I still suggest a .40 S&W. Women need not feer larger bullets sizes! trust me...when engaging a live target you will not notice if one kickes harder than the other. I would concern myself more with comfort and size of the handgun in relationship to it's concealment capabilities!

I always suggest a revolver for novice shooters. They are simple and reliable! This is not to say semi-auto's are not both of those as well but the revolver is a great starter choice!

If choosing a new handgun for a novice female shooter I would say Ruger LRP or Ruger LCP in .380!, Glock 26, Kel Tec P-3AT or PF9...just a few favorites for compact carry!

As far as ammo goes...hydro shock ammo sucks! I carried it for years and after much testing through a number of different materials...nothing currently beats Speer Gold Dot bullets

LOL LUNK!! Didnt think anyone would understand what Molbdenum Disulfide Coating was aka Lubalox..............but it was used for a lubricate,not just to turn the bullet black,(aka Teflon) and could defeat current vest of the time

[warmouth]

Well you say in your op that its getting scarier by the minute. So as soon as you get your gun do you think that you will be safer? Im not having a go at you i just can not understand the mentality of i have a gun on my hip i am safe now. You no what im getting at?

Honestly, i cant believe you still post.

And Lunk, check you exclamation points! You're sounding like Elaine Benez, lol.

[Papa Smurf]

OK....cpl things to address! Black Talons were not teflon coated! They had a Lubalox coatingthat turned the bullet a black color! Their biggest claim to fame was the sharp edges that opened up upon impact! The best bullets (not rounds) for self defense are bonded hallow point ammo! This is ammo where the copper jacket is bonded to the lead core so that the bullet stays in one large piece upon mushrooming instead of breaking into pieces! This helps to create a larger temporary and permenant wound cavity!

Bullet size: The .380 which is simply a necked down 9mm has come very far in the last several years! The choice of ammo size is give and take! The bigger the bullet...the bigger the gun in most cases! The art is finding that happy medium! I do not prefer a 9mm mainly due to it's velocity! It tends to have too uch penetration! The goal is 6-8" of penetration into the body! Bang for the buck...I still suggest a .40 S&W. Women need not feer larger bullets sizes! trust me...when engaging a live target you will not notice if one kickes harder than the other. I would concern myself more with comfort and size of the handgun in relationship to it's concealment capabilities!

I always suggest a revolver for novice shooters. They are simple and reliable! This is not to say semi-auto's are not both of those as well but the revolver is a great starter choice!

If choosing a new handgun for a novice female shooter I would say Ruger LRP or Ruger LCP in .380!, Glock 26, Kel Tec P-3AT or PF9...just a few favorites for compact carry!

As far as ammo goes...hydro shock ammo sucks! I carried it for years and after much testing through a number of different materials...nothing currently beats Speer Gold Dot bullets

The .380 is not a necked down 9mm both use a .355 bullet. .380 has a shorter casing, making it a 9mm short

[Euroholic]

Honestly, i cant believe you still post..

Ah because my opinions differ so i must be wrong. Righto mate.

[Lunk1]

The .380 is not a necked down 9mm both use a .355 bullet. .380 has a shorter casing, making it a 9mm short

This is true..i should have been more accurate!

[songdog]

its a proven fact that when its a right to carry state.People are less prone to get robbed.

[Euroholic]

But dont you think something is wrong when citizens feel they must be arming them selfs because there afraid of all the crime? Call me a nieve country boy but i dont understand.

[Papa Smurf]

This is true..i should have been more accurate!

Sorry Lunk...........you know I love you man............just a little tit for tat

[Papa Smurf]

But dont you think something is wrong when citizens feel they must be arming them selfs because there afraid of all the crime? Call me a nieve country boy but i dont understand.

Take all the guns from the badguys, make sure they can never get one.......................and you still want get mine!!

[Lunk1]

Lets not turn this into another 2nd amendment debate!

[Hunter]

at home nothing beats a 12 gauge. My wife has the judge in her car and a 9mm for personal carry. I myself carry an xd 40 compact.

[MuscleInk]

Those are bad ass women

One is my newest employee! Hopefully she doesn't go postal on my ass!!!!!

[SportbikerKid]

But dont you think something is wrong when citizens feel they must be arming them selfs because there afraid of all the crime? Call me a nieve country boy but i dont understand.

If you're a country boy, then you'd probably understand why it is necessary to carry a weapon. In my town, we had a grizzly come sauntering up main street and start picking at people's houses a few weeks ago. Also had a mountain lion stalking people in the walmart parking lot. I carry for animals more than people; this is why I won't touch anything less than a 10mm

But real talk, it's always nice to be able to defend yourself no matter what type of threat you encounter. I also think it is unfortunate that we need to worry about crime; but you gotta face reality and realize that crime will always exist. It's built into the human nature.

[MuscleInk]

The 45 ACP (automatic colt pistol) is a great sub sonic round, traveling at just under 900 feet per second..... However, even as fine a weapon as a Kimber is, it will jam at some point.............. If you want a high cap auto, nothing beats a Glock!

You keep talking this way to me and I'll have to tell Lunk Papa Smurf is my new BFF!!!! Lol

The glock 21 and 19 are on my shopping list already!

[Knockout_Power]

I'm considering going through the application process to get a conceal carry license here in CA. It's getting scarier by the minute knowing that our state and counties are letting convicts out early to meet their budget requirements.

There are a variety of reasons that I'm seriously looking at this. It is quite a process that I watched Vette go thorough. There doesn't seem to be a lot of ladies talking guns, so I wanted to bring it up and get some thoughts. I am curious how the members (both ladies and the guys) here feel about women and guns? It won't offend me if someone thinks differently about women and guns.. I know a few ladies that I don't think I would want to put a gun in their hands

And then there's the guns.. We have all sorts of them, but I'd probably get something special if I were to qualify and get licensed. Any suggestions? Ladies, do you have a special gun that fits you? I would love a .380 but the dealer said something about the acceptable listing does not have any .380's. California requires that all gun manufactures submit plans and fees for all guns to be on their acceptable listing. Even if there is just a minor change done - they want their money and control. Anyway, I would find a small 9mm. Vette has several 9mm but they are double action and I would prefer a single action.

1.... women, regardless of whether they like guns or not, should always know how to use one safely and not be scared to should the need arise
2. I purchased one for my girl, and she is really good with it and it is a bit of a turn on
3. Single action may be the wrong choice if you need to use it in a panic. Yes it takes just as much time to cock the hammer as it does to kick off the safety, but if the first shot is not successful, the 2nd is only a trigger pull away on a dual.
4. Dont need a 9mm, the sight of even a .22 will scare away someone who is smart enough to fear a firearm.

[Knockout_Power]

I was actually at the range today using my D.E 50 cal for the first time... if the Zombies attacked, they'd live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4jio...ature=youtu.be

[Vettester]

Don't let her kid you otherwise, Bengal can cluster them 2" to 3" patterns out at 15 yards with that stainless Eclipse .45ACP. She carries a good master grip, and a solid stance, and shows good breathing with her trigger pull. She's worked with some really good range masters at times when we've gone to the range, and there's a 2 day, 1000 round CCW training camp that she will go to if she elects to pursue her CCW, and complete the qualifiication process.

Obviously I am very pro-CCW, but I think it's truly a personal thing if you personally do wish or do not wish to have that type of responsibility at your fingertips. Cali will make you work to get one, so like she said, it's an all in commitment.

Here are my 3 that are on the CCW. We only get 3 in Cali, so my other ones have to stay at home

[Vettester]

I was actually at the range today using my D.E 50 cal for the first time... if the Zombies attacked, they'd live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4jio...ature=youtu.be

I've never fired one, but hear em on occasion at our regular range. That's one reason I put both plugs and ear covers on at the range. My Zombie negotiator is an Arsenal SA 7M 7.62x39. However, I'm open for one of those cross bows the more I think about it!

[MuscleInk]

What more needs to be said?

[Knockout_Power]

nice toys sir... How do you like the Kimber? Im yet to pick the 1911 I want to complete my collection, but I was leaning towards Wilson combat... Just sold my SR9 so I only have the Jericho 9mm left and I love it... only bought the .50 for overcompensating purposes

[Vettester]

nice toys sir... How do you like the Kimber? Im yet to pick the 1911 I want to complete my collection, but I was leaning towards Wilson combat... Just sold my SR9 so I only have the Jericho 9mm left and I love it... only bought the .50 for overcompensating purposes

That Kimber Eclipse is spot -on! It's the stainless model, so it's got a little more weight, but it's smooth as silk. I keep .45ACP hollow points with 2 extra magazines on the belt. The original grips are in the box. I went with Hogues to have some comfort level. Here's a pic with the stock grips..



I just bought the Kahr PM9 in the other picture. Quite smooth for being so small. A bit pricey, but I see why.

Will probably get a Kimber CDP or Covert next. Bengal also wants to explore their Solo series if she takes the plunge!

[MuscleInk]

This is a nice custom 1911

[DB1982]

You really need to get your facts stright.I wouldnt want to shoot someone with a 22 and expect them to stay down.The miltary use to use 38s and a lot of guys were being killed after shooting someone with a 38.The guys werent staying down.Thats when they went to the 45cal.Then women came in the miltary and they switched to the 9mm.Well now they are having the same problem as before.So the Special Forces went back to the 45.Beacuse when things are happening fast.Who is going to have perfect aim? NO ONE.

You guys are missing my point . My point is it doesn't matter what caliber you shoot if you can't accurately hit your target. so buy a gun that is you're comfortable with and highly accurate with and go from there..

Would I suggest that everyone carries a 22 no all I'm saying is if you're highly accurate with the 22 but not very accurate with a 38 . then you should probably carry the gun you're more accurate with vice versa if you're more accurate with a 38 as per se a 40 cal then carry the 38 a it's common sense.

And my comment about the military was not pertaining to the 22 caliber bullet it was pertaining to the automatics. everyone thinks the jam all the time ,
Most military does not carry around revolvers.

[Capebuffalo]

Very nice choices!! I prefer the Model 20 and 21 The Model 20 is chambered in 10mm. Its kinda the forgotten round. It was first developed to replace the 45 ACP. But after testing, it was found that some of the smaller male agents, and most female agents could not handle the recoil.................. So..........The shortened the shell casing and created what is commonly known as the .40 S&W widely used today.

The Wife carries the Model 21 in 45ACP . She's an ole school kinda girl, but she has more wins than me, so she carries whatever she wants................

AS far as lead down range"

Model 20 10mm 16(15 clip + 1 in pipe) 200 grain bullets

Model 21 45 ACP 11 (10 clip + 1 in pipe 230 grain bullets

45 ACP 900 FPS sub sonice excellent wound cavity

10mm 1300+ FBS (depending on ammo) can tend to over penatrate , but excellent wood cavity

First 10 mm I ever saw was in 1982. Bren Tren 10 mm auto loader. Made famous by Miami Vice tv show.

[DB1982]

Sorry..............but I disagree ..............and you contidicte yourself sir . If your a great shoot that a .22 will take someone down, the why would you need more than 5 or 6 rounds.

Jamming............... In a real world attack, the 3 to 8 seconds it would take her to clear a jam, could cost her .......

Ask any cop about a 200lb guy on PCP or Met if he thinks a .22 placed centermass is going to stop him...............unless you can get him to bend down and turn around so you can shoot him behind the ear, then you .22 is almost useless........

BengalWoman..........I have know idea what your up agaisnt with Cali laws on handguns, if an auto is all you can find, see if your local dealer can find you a Keltec. They come in .32, .380, and 9mm Very nice weapon

Of course, we are talking about something to carry while your out....................... at home................... Nothing says "Oh Shit" like the raking of a 12 gauge pump shotgun!!

How many rounds you carry have no bearing on how accurate you are.

Where as size of caliber does.
The caliber directly reflects the amount of recoil and accuracy and speed of a follow up shot.

Listen did I say a .22 is the perfect carry gun? NO.
I simply said find the gun your most comfortable and accurate with. Whether that gun is a .22 or .50 it make no difference if you can't hit the target.

I see it a lot. Guys wanting to own a gun and go out and buy the biggest caliber they can because its cool or the biggest. But in turn can't control their firearm.

A .22 / .380. / 9mm are perfect compact carry weapons.
A .357 while a awesome round is a tad big for a lady.

So once again find the one that best suits your needs.

[Capebuffalo]

No for me. But it screams I am a woman I will kill you. Back the fvck up. Boom. Told you to back up.

[Lunk1]

Most shooting happen between 7-10 feet and are over within a few shots! I would highly rec. carrying the biggest caliber you can feel comfortable with! Again..the whole purpose is to create the largest temp and permenant wound cavity possible! You want to stop the threat as quickly as you can! While I have no prob. with .380 and 9mm...and I am surgical with my Browning .22, I would never carry anything that small! Consider some of the small frame and single stack .40 S&W and .45 ACP! Recoils is only a concern on the range...not in a gun fight!!!!

The other thing to consider is that on average only 1/5 ppl have the ability to take another human beings life! While everyone says they can if they or their loved ones are threatened...it simply isn't true! The reality is that the body (the minds) natural response is flight over fight! With this in mind I highly rec. considering a tazer for ppl when I teach CCW classes!

[gixxerboy1]

Cause god knows there is always a 250lb guy high on pcp around every corner. Looking to kill you, roll eyes

[Capebuffalo]

Cause god knows there is always a 250lb guy high on pcp around every corner. Looking to kill you, roll eyes

I actually worry more about the 95 lb crack head around that 1 corner.

[gixxerboy1]

I actually worry more about the 95 lb crack head around that 1 corner.

Atleast thats realistic. Im just laughing at the reasonings for larger caliber. Its always some huge guy on meth or pcp. Or now grizzly bears, oh and to shoot north korean nukes,out of the sky

[Capebuffalo]

Atleast thats realistic. Im just laughing at the reasonings for larger caliber. Its always some huge guy on meth or pcp. Or now grizzly bears, oh and to shoot north korean nukes,out of the sky

I know what your saying. Dirty Harry syndrome. That's why I carry the .500 s&w. lol

[Lunk1]

Atleast thats realistic. Im just laughing at the reasonings for larger caliber. Its always some huge guy on meth or pcp. Or now grizzly bears, oh and to shoot north korean nukes,out of the sky

The reason for large calibers is simple! It has nothing to do with general fear. If you are going to carry a tool...carry the best tool for the job! Honestly I myself rarely carry when I'm off! I'm only saying if you feel the need to carry concealed then carry something useful...

[Capebuffalo]

The reason for large calibers is simple! It has nothing to do with general fear. If you are going to carry a tool...carry the best tool for the job! Honestly I myself rarely carry when I'm off! I'm only saying if you feel the need to carry concealed then carry something useful...

Use the right hammer for the job
Btw. I carry nothing smaller than a .40 cal but I don't consider that big. Lol

[Knockout_Power]

Use the right hammer for the job
Btw. I carry nothing smaller than a .40 cal but I don't consider that big. Lol

too bad you were not closer... I have a bunch of .40 left over from selling my glock model22... probably have close to 500 rds sitting around making the 9mm stuff feel inadequate.

[Capebuffalo]

too bad you were not closer... I have a bunch of .40 left over from selling my glock model22... probably have close to 500 rds sitting around making the 9mm stuff feel inadequate.

Dude your killing me with this free rifle and ammo stuff. I'm driving to your house What is the address.

[gixxerboy1]

The reason for large calibers is simple! It has nothing to do with general fear. If you are going to carry a tool...carry the best tool for the job! Honestly I myself rarely carry when I'm off! I'm only saying if you feel the need to carry concealed then carry something useful...

Oh i agree , thats why i have my own personal drone that flys abovecand watches me. Nothing stops a 2000lb grizzy high on pcp like a hellfire missle

[Lunk1]

Use the right hammer for the job
Btw. I carry nothing smaller than a .40 cal but I don't consider that big. Lol

I have been a part of alot of balistic testing. Shooting through different mediums such as heavy clothing, windshield glass, drywall, wood substrate, car door etc. all ending in balistic gel! After seeing what happens to certain bullets and the abilities od diferent calibers! It is either .40, .45 of 357 mag or 10mm for me....thats IT!