Zimmerman: Not Guilty

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by BIGTIMEPUSH

Wasn't saying that to you, sorry should have sent another post...

Hakuna Matata!

Time for broads yet?

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

And i dont think you can ever claim self defense when you willingly put yourself in the situation.

You have bounced at clubs. If you were in a situation that required you to protect yourself with deadly force, would it be unjustified because you put yourself in the situation by confronting someone. Following someone and calling 911 does not justify getting beaten. There is NO way that you would argue that if this thread was about someone being beaten for calling 911 and walking behind someone.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 09:59 PM

C,mon bytes, I see you down there lol

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Do you know what Trevon was doing that day? Do you know why he was walking between the houses? NO? Me either.

He really never changed the core story after being interviewed numerous times. Did some of the small details change? Yes. Everyone's story changes to a degree when it's told over and over.

Again, the evidence corroborates the statement.

I guess your right
Just like you dont know that Zimmerman wasnt at a klans meeting earlier or doing meth
There is no eveidence ive what i said or that trevon eas dkung anything wrong
Ive seen the video of the area. There was sidewalk were trevon was going between houses. Lol, its public steet where his dad lived, again what was he doing that was suspicious and reason to be followed?

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Hakuna Matata!

Time for broads yet?

LOL AGREED!!!

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I guess your right
Just like you dont know that Zimmerman wasnt at a klans meeting earlier or doing meth
There is no eveidence ive what i said or that trevon eas dkung anything wrong
Ive seen the video of the area. There was sidewalk were trevon was going between houses. Lol, its public steet where his dad lived, again what was he doing that was suspicious and reason to be followed?

It doesn't matter. Zimmerman wasn't doing anything to harm Trevon by following him and calling 911. Thats the REAL end of story lol

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

I guess your right
Just like you dont know that Zimmerman wasnt at a klans meeting earlier or doing meth
There is no eveidence ive what i said or that trevon eas dkung anything wrong
Ive seen the video of the area. There was sidewalk were trevon was going between houses. Lol, its public steet where his dad lived, again what was he doing that was suspicious and reason to be followed?

Zimmerman is NOT white... he wouldn't be at a klans meeting, The Klan hate any non white people so Zimmerman def was not there!!! lol

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You have bounced at clubs. If you were in a situation that required you to protect yourself with deadly force, would it be unjustified because you put yourself in the situation by confronting someone. Following someone and calling 911 does not justify getting beaten. There is NO way that you would argue that if this thread was about someone being beaten for calling 911 and walking behind someone.

No, i dont agree, i dont think there would be any reason for me to use deadly force unless the other person was armed.
Ive been jn the situation in clubs and hit with bottles ive never fekt justified to kill the other guy

BG · 07-13-2013, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

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The evidence shows that the shot was fired while Zimmerman was on his back and Trevon was on top of him. Zimmerman suffered injuries from the beating that support his statement.

Under the law, this is all that mattered. End of story, closed case.

A civil law suit may yield a different decision, just because Zimmerman didnt listen to the operator and continued to follow.

**Shol'va** · 07-13-2013, 10:06 PM

Well whether you agree or disagree with the verdict, what I find outrageous is the fact that some news medias are reporting certain groups have threatened to riot if he was found innocent, and burn the cities to the ground. I mean seriously? There is an average of 5 African Americans killed on a daily basis by other African Americans in my city alone, but these groups don't give a rats azz but this case they wanna riot? Am I missing something here?

**beerdogg** · 07-13-2013, 10:09 PM

Zimmerman is an idiot and shouldn't of been following him like the 911 operator said. On the other hand I think the verdict is right. Not sure if he will be found innocent in a wrongfull death suit which im sure is next.

**--->>405<<---** · 07-13-2013, 10:10 PM

well im glad i at least didnt get here until page 3.. hopefully yall are about done talking about this case (which i know nothing about) and are ready to talk about stuff i find more interesting!

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

No, i dont agree, i dont think there would be any reason for me to use deadly force unless the other person was armed.
Ive been jn the situation in clubs and hit with bottles ive never fekt justified to kill the other guy

Then it wasn't a deadly force situation for you. Zimmerman feared for his life and felt that deadly force was NECCESSARY. The evidence supported his decision and the justice system agreed.

**basketballfan22** · 07-13-2013, 10:13 PM

Yeah I definitely agree with gixxerboy1 on this. Yet one more thing Lunk1 and I disagree on

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**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Then it wasn't a deadly force situation for you. Zimmerman feared for his life and felt that deadly force was NECCESSARY. The evidence supported his decision and the justice system agreed.

Then Zimmerman is a ***** and that ahouldnt be a legal defense

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by basketballfan22

Yeah I definitely agree with gixxerboy1 on this. Yet one more thing Lunk1 and I disagree on

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Tree hugger lol

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Then Zimmerman is a ***** and that ahouldnt be a legal defense

I wont argue this statement. Now, bring on the hot chicks Austin.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 10:25 PM

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 10:26 PM

**lovbyts** · 07-13-2013, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

That's one part I never could make sense of. Why did he follow the kid?

Originally Posted by Lunk1

He stated he thought the kids activities were suspicious and called 911. he then followed giving current location and description to the 911 operator. The operator told him to stop following and he acknowledged the operators order.

Lets not forget the little fact that he was on the Neighborhood watch program and that is what he was supposed to be doing....

I had to stop listening to the trail at the beginning because these STUPID expert witnesses where infuriating me. Stupid B*tch saying she did not think the trauma to his head were to the degree he should be in fear for his life. I would like to jump her and see at what point when her head is being banged on the ground she would be fearful for her life. Just stupid.

BTW, I'm happy with the verdict. I'm furious it ever went to trail and people cant see the facts for what they are. Travon was a punk as kid who sold guns on facebook, got expelled from school for controlled substances, bragged how he liked to fight and was seen ducking behind houses, not staying to the main path.

What history in his past or reason did Zimmerman have to be aggressive? None.
What was Travons reason? Remember being 17? Enough said.

Originally Posted by austinite

That's one part I never could make sense of. Why did he follow the kid?

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

No, i dont agree, i dont think there would be any reason for me to use deadly force unless the other person was armed.
Ive been jn the situation in clubs and hit with bottles ive never fekt justified to kill the other guy

Not everyone is as tough as you.

But seriosly, everyone has different limitations and ability to defend themselves and ever situation is different. Plenty of people who are unarmed kill other people every day.

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Well whether you agree or disagree with the verdict, what I find outrageous is the fact that some news medias are reporting certain groups have threatened to riot if he was found innocent, and burn the cities to the ground. I mean seriously? There is an average of 5 African Americans killed on a daily basis by other African Americans in my city alone, but these groups don't give a rats azz but this case they wanna riot? Am I missing something here?

Did you really expect any less?

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 10:27 PM

BROADS!!!!!!

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 10:28 PM

^ too late, lovbyts!. Pics are up.

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 10:28 PM

Now we move onto religion and then the thread gets locked. Standard procedure.

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 10:31 PM

LOL my religion is the best!!!

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Now we move onto religion and then the thread gets locked. Standard procedure.

Hold on let me get my unicorn

**austinite** · 07-13-2013, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Hold on let me get my unicorn

Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion

Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion

1. That there is only one true Unicorn in the Universe for all others are mere shadows and in pale comparsion to the True Unicorn. Though they should be revered as special, individially these beasts are not to be idolized.

2. Peace and Prosperity is the truest form the Unified Unicorn Religion. Belief in the Unicorn, hard work and compassion is the common goal of Unified Unicorn Religion.

3. Give help where help is needed. Though not opposed to the accumalation of wealth, it is best to redistribute the wealth to those who need it.

4. Members of the Unified Unicorn Religion should offer to small tokens of praise to the Unified Unicorn Religion as gesture of harmonius goodwill when the fortune of the Unicorn shines upon them.

5. It is recommended that small shrines should be constructed in the homes of those who believe in the Unified Unicorn Religion.

6. Those who preach the virutes of the Unified Unicorn Religion shall be known as the Unicorites. To become an Unicorites,one must travel to Amber to study until it is determined that they are truly an Unicorites. The Unicorites travel from town to town preaching the virutes of the Unified Unicorn Religion and take the small tokens of offering from the people and bring it the Unified Unicorn Church.The Unicorites wear robes of blue with a green emblem of the Unicorn on its right breast.

7. No one person can be raised above the status of Truest Form of the Unicorn.

8. No one shall join the Unified Unicorn Religion for their own personal gain. Remember, it is best to redistribute the wealth.

9. No one may belong to the Unified Unicorn Religion while also claiming allegiance to other religions.

10. To harm one of the Unified Unicorn Religion is to harm all. Vengenance shall come to those who steal, hurt or kill the those of the Unified Unicorn Religion who can not defend themselves..

11. If one of the Unicorites asks for a small favor, you must grant the favor if it is within your power.

12. Those who were cast out by the Unified Unicorn Religion shall be known as the Unnamed. All contact to those who become Unamed by those who are still memebers of the Unified Unicorn Religion must cease.

13. The Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion may be updated at any time. If one is unsure if an action could be thought of as against the beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion one should ask for guidance from the Annoited.

**Lunk1** · 07-13-2013, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Now we move onto religion and then the thread gets locked. Standard procedure.

I havnt made a joke in bad taste yet..

**BIGTIMEPUSH** · 07-13-2013, 10:48 PM

Please tell me Austinite that you found that on the web and did not come up with that!! lol N/M just saw the link!!!

**gixxerboy1** · 07-13-2013, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion

Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion

1. That there is only one true Unicorn in the Universe for all others are mere shadows and in pale comparsion to the True Unicorn. Though they should be revered as special, individially these beasts are not to be idolized.

2. Peace and Prosperity is the truest form the Unified Unicorn Religion. Belief in the Unicorn, hard work and compassion is the common goal of Unified Unicorn Religion.

3. Give help where help is needed. Though not opposed to the accumalation of wealth, it is best to redistribute the wealth to those who need it.

4. Members of the Unified Unicorn Religion should offer to small tokens of praise to the Unified Unicorn Religion as gesture of harmonius goodwill when the fortune of the Unicorn shines upon them.

5. It is recommended that small shrines should be constructed in the homes of those who believe in the Unified Unicorn Religion.

6. Those who preach the virutes of the Unified Unicorn Religion shall be known as the Unicorites. To become an Unicorites,one must travel to Amber to study until it is determined that they are truly an Unicorites. The Unicorites travel from town to town preaching the virutes of the Unified Unicorn Religion and take the small tokens of offering from the people and bring it the Unified Unicorn Church.The Unicorites wear robes of blue with a green emblem of the Unicorn on its right breast.

7. No one person can be raised above the status of Truest Form of the Unicorn.

8. No one shall join the Unified Unicorn Religion for their own personal gain. Remember, it is best to redistribute the wealth.

9. No one may belong to the Unified Unicorn Religion while also claiming allegiance to other religions.

10. To harm one of the Unified Unicorn Religion is to harm all. Vengenance shall come to those who steal, hurt or kill the those of the Unified Unicorn Religion who can not defend themselves..

11. If one of the Unicorites asks for a small favor, you must grant the favor if it is within your power.

12. Those who were cast out by the Unified Unicorn Religion shall be known as the Unnamed. All contact to those who become Unamed by those who are still memebers of the Unified Unicorn Religion must cease.

13. The Principle Beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion may be updated at any time. If one is unsure if an action could be thought of as against the beliefs of the Unified Unicorn Religion one should ask for guidance from the Annoited.

Lol,
14 th rule of the unified unicorn religion is you don't talk about the unified unicorn religion

**--->>405<<---** · 07-13-2013, 11:51 PM

the unified unicorn religion...

dammit!!! i shoulda held out a bit longer!

**basketballfan22** · 07-14-2013, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Tree hugger lol

Lmao! I wasn't sure if you saw that comment. Yes, I am a "tree hugger"; and I am damn proud of it!

**austinite** · 07-14-2013, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by basketballfan22

Lmao! I wasn't sure if you saw that comment. Yes, I am a tree hugger; and I am damn proud of it!

**basketballfan22** · 07-14-2013, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Lmao. I am a member of that group. If you look closely, you will actually see me there.

**Metalject** · 07-14-2013, 12:47 AM

lovbyts said the most important thing that people keep forgetting...he was on neighborhood watch duty, that's why Zimmerman approached him. Several homes in that neighborhood had been robbed and vandalized recently and he was out keeping an eye. If you have a neighborhood watch and aren't keeping watch, what's the point in having it?

The 911 call...the civil charges that may come about could result in a different verdict, but the 911 call should not be part of the decision. No one is required by law to listen to a 911 operator. It's an operator, not an officer who's now involved with the situation.

Also, the entire point of a neighborhood watch is because it can take seemingly forever for law enforcement to get there. Not really law enforcement's fault, but they have to move from point A to point B and that often takes some time. La enforcement cannot always be the first responder to a situation, most of the time they can't be.

Final thing, Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. Should he have waited until his head was split open before he shot Martin? That would be pretty hard since he'd be knocked out cold or already dead. He obviously couldn't get him off of him. If he could, he wouldn't have let him smash his head into the concrete repeatedly.

**austinite** · 07-14-2013, 12:53 AM

Neighborhood watch means nothing. You watch the neighborhood, and you call if you see anything suspicious. I don't think there is a neighborhood watch manual anywhere on earth that says take matters into your own hands.

Keyword: WATCH.

Not "neighborhood follow suspects until you get into a fight and shoot to kill. "

**ppwc1985** · 07-14-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

lovbyts said the most important thing that people keep forgetting...he was on neighborhood watch duty, that's why Zimmerman approached him. Several homes in that neighborhood had been robbed and vandalized recently and he was out keeping an eye. If you have a neighborhood watch and aren't keeping watch, what's the point in having it?

The 911 call...the civil charges that may come about could result in a different verdict, but the 911 call should not be part of the decision. No one is required by law to listen to a 911 operator. It's an operator, not an officer who's now involved with the situation.

Also, the entire point of a neighborhood watch is because it can take seemingly forever for law enforcement to get there. Not really law enforcement's fault, but they have to move from point A to point B and that often takes some time. La enforcement cannot always be the first responder to a situation, most of the time they can't be.

Final thing, Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. Should he have waited until his head was split open before he shot Martin? That would be pretty hard since he'd be knocked out cold or already dead. He obviously couldn't get him off of him. If he could, he wouldn't have let him smash his head into the concrete repeatedly.

Not all 911 operators are regular employees, some are po's

**Metalject** · 07-14-2013, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Neighborhood watch means nothing. You watch the neighborhood, and you call if you see anything suspicious. I don't think there is a neighborhood watch manual anywhere on earth that says take matters into your own hands.

Keyword: WATCH.

Not "neighborhood follow suspects until you get into a fight and shoot to kill. "

I think you'd agree we have the right to protect our property. If someone is in your yard you have the right to confront them. Whether you should or not has nothing to do with your right to. As for a neighborhood, it's a collective of individual properties where a group of people have come together with the goal of protecting their individual properties. Plus, calling 911 is pretty pointless when it can take 15-30min for them to get there and by that time if an individual is trying to rob a place they'll already be long gone.

*And no, I'm not saying Martin was there to rob the place...wanted to clarify for the mentally handicapped.

**Metalject** · 07-14-2013, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

Not all 911 operators are regular employees, some are po's

Pro what? Even if they're pro something they still don't have authority over you.

Let me ask you this, a few months back there was a story about a mom, daughter and son who had two unknown men come into their house. They tied the son up and took the mom and daughter into the bedroom and began to beat and rape them. The son was able to break free and went and got one of the family guns and walked into the bedroom and shot both men dead.

Considering that story, should he have called 911 and then waited patiently for the police while his mom and sister were being raped and beaten to death? What if it was a Pro 911 person, the 911 employee of the year, would that have changed things? If he had yelled to the men "I've called 911, you better look out" do you think that would have made them run?

**austinite** · 07-14-2013, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I think you'd agree we have the right to protect our property. If someone is in your yard you have the right to confront them. Whether you should or not has nothing to do with your right to. As for a neighborhood, it's a collective of individual properties where a group of people have come together with the goal of protecting their individual properties. Plus, calling 911 is pretty pointless when it can take 15-30min for them to get there and by that time if an individual is trying to rob a place they'll already be long gone.

*And no, I'm not saying Martin was there to rob the place...wanted to clarify for the mentally handicapped.

Sure. I agree. I'm only saying that the "Neighborhood Watch" argument is fruitless.

**Metalject** · 07-14-2013, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Sure. I agree. I'm only saying that the "Neighborhood Watch" argument is fruitless.

I don't know if it's fruitless. It provides the reason to the question why was he watching Martin, why was he out looking for suspicious behavior? The answer, because houses were being robbed, the police didn't have the ability to stop it and so Zimmerman and a few other decided they'd keep a watch on their own properties collectively.