ObamaCare "Affordable care act"

[Hazard]

you'l get use to it bull. Healthcare is good. First comes health care than metric system

Lmfao if we get the metric system I'm going to take my tape measures and live in the mountains

[Metalject]

Lmfao if we get the metric system I'm going to take my tape measures and live in the mountains

And if Obama gets his way we'll get that and we'll start using Euros and Riyal's. And you can bet all your Euros that you'll be trading in all your guns for the full works of Saul Alinsky, voluntarily or by force.

[Euroholic]

Lmfao if we get the metric system I'm going to take my tape measures and live in the mountains

Hahahahaha

[lovbyts]

My gf voted Obama twice because of his promises. She thought he sounded sincere.....

Now..... She wants him impeached for lying to the public. She wants to take her vote back. She is so disappointed in him. She doesn't like anything he's done so far

You know the saying, trick me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me. I

Lmfao if we get the metric system I'm going to take my tape measures and live in the mountains

Well if you sell your house to move to the mountains did you know it may cost you more now due to Obamacare?
Under the new health care bill all real estate transactions will be subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax.

[Java Man]

He'll never get a 3rd term. 3/4 of the states need to support ratifying the amendment..... It'll never happen

Rep Jose Serrano introduced the bill. He also proposed the same bill in 1999 for Clinton and had no supporters lol

Reagan talked about it. Clinton. Bush jr. I'm not sure of any others but presidents have been talking about repealing term limits for decades. Obama won't stand a chance. Of course, I also didn't think he'd win his first or second election either. This is like a bad dream that I can't wake up from. Luckily this requires the support of the state legislatures, not just this asshole's employees in the federal congress. No way. As you said. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas, Arizona, and Nevada try to secede. I'll move there.

[Java Man]

I can't stay in here I get sick to my stomach from rage. I'm so pissed off about the direction of this country that I'm passed the point of talking. Oh, crap. I shouldn't have said that. There's a knock on my door...

[bass]

I can't stay in here I get sick to my stomach from rage. I'm so pissed off about the direction of this country that I'm passed the point of talking. Oh, crap. I shouldn't have said that. There's a knock on my door...

I feel your pain brother. LOL, Java, perhaps you need check your E2

[Mp859]

I watched that trailer BASS they don't give you much but look interesting to say the least

[Java Man]

I feel your pain brother. LOL, Java, perhaps you need check your E2

Uh uh. Its not that emotional kind of sick. Its the angry knot kind that makes you want to smash things. I'm not even on a cycle right now. I've been off for almost 3 months. My e2 is fine. If I need anything checked, its my adrenal glands

[bass]

I watched that trailer BASS they don't give you much but look interesting to say the least

You're right, the trailer doesn't do justice to what it's in movie. it relay is a must see.

[Metalject]

Obama Quote (Aug 2013) just a few months ago:

“I would put [my administration] up against any prior administration since FDR,” Obama said. “We didn’t ask for the challenges that we face, but we don’t shrink from them either.” He continued, “And the truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over decades. It will require common effort, shared responsibility, and the kind of bold, persistent experimentation that Franklin Roosevelt pursued during the only crisis worse than this one.”




And what was FDR's experiment? What did FDR do that no other president has ever done?
And even though other presidents have brought it up in the past, no one has ever had a machine like Obama.

[lovbyts]

"During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced; 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site."

Most recent glitch is if your status changes such as getting married, having a child, death in the family you can NOT change your status once you sign up.

[gixxerboy1]

We will see how the new healthcare works out. Something needed to be done. Is the government running everything the answer? No, But leaving everything up to corporations who's only concern is profit, isnt either. And i dont pretend to have it either.
Yes i know people who are paying more under the new system. I'm paying less for a better plan and have dental now. My wife's policy stayed unchanged. When you make changed to anything its not going to benefit everyone

[DSM4Life]

"During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced; 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 bombers, 24,000 transport aircraft, 58,000 training aircraft, 93,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It's worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site."

Most recent glitch is if your status changes such as getting married, having a child, death in the family you can NOT change your status once you sign up.

OMG Lov get over it already. You need a hobby.

[lovbyts]

Ive got plenty of hobbies, this site being one of them. Went it comes to certain discussions or injustices I am a little passionate. Why not continue education others of the injustice that is being done? Is it untruthful? I dont think there is much if any that has been posted that is not accurate, right?

Most of the problem so far is people had not idea what, who or why they were voting for so it's best to be informed.

[DSM4Life]

Ive got plenty of hobbies, this site being one of them. Went it comes to certain discussions or injustices I am a little passionate. Why not continue education others of the injustice that is being done? Is it untruthful? I dont think there is much if any that has been posted that is not accurate, right?

Most of the problem so far is people had not idea what, who or why they were voting for so it's best to be informed.

You don't even know if its going to fail yet so calm down. Was the roll out a train wreck? Yup I agree but will the plan fail? WHO KNOWS! So to come on here and drone on and on about how bad its going to be is useless. Is it wrong to educate people? No but when you badger them you get the opposite reaction your looking for.

[gixxerboy1]

Ive got plenty of hobbies, this site being one of them. Went it comes to certain discussions or injustices I am a little passionate. Why not continue education others of the injustice that is being done? Is it untruthful? I dont think there is much if any that has been posted that is not accurate, right?

Most of the problem so far is people had not idea what, who or why they were voting for so it's best to be informed.

because you are pushing a side. Not everyone feels its an injustice. Your informing allot of your opinion

[lovbyts]

because you are pushing a side. Not everyone feels its an injustice. Your informing allot of your opinion

True, just like any discussion on this forum we all have our opinions due to our information and experiences. I have personally seen changes, non positive and have friends who have been affected, non positive so far.

Ive always been someone on here to listen to both sides and have been swayed one way or the other due to facts or logic. I have not hear or seen anything that sways me to agree with Obamacare thus far.

[gixxerboy1]

True, just like any discussion on this forum we all have our opinions due to our information and experiences. I have personally seen changes, non positive and have friends who have been affected, non positive so far.

Ive always been someone on here to listen to both sides and have been swayed one way or the other due to facts or logic. I have not hear or seen anything that sways me to agree with Obamacare thus far.

and i have some effected positively , some ended up worse of and some unchanged. I think as a whole it will be better then it was. I def dont think its perfect. And you can never make everyone happy.

We are really going to have to see what happens. There have been so many people on both sides pushing an agenda. I just dont get how some people can hate something or be so positive something is a failure before it even starts

[lovbyts]

Becaue before it stated it was already known 3x as many people would be without insurance compared to the number who had it as of jan 1st 2014. The lies were pointed out a year ago that instead of being free or saving $2500 per person or household in fact it was going to cost at least $2500 more and that has been un understatement. Most people are paying $5000+ than they were not paying before. A LOT of medications are not covered anymore, lost of doctors and medical clinics besides the small fact you cant keep your doctor. lol

There are a lot more people who are going to go without, suffer and die over the next year or two compared to before while they try to figure out how to make it work if it ever will work. Socialized medicine has been pretty much a failure everywhere else to anyone who has had an option or know better.

Just IHO and what I have seen and experienced so far. I hope you are right and over time it will get better but I suspect it will get a lot worse before it does if it does.

[gixxerboy1]

See i dont believe all that is true. I know some people are going to pay more. I'm paying less and got better insurance with dental. My wifes plan stayed exactly the same. I have friends that didnt have insurance that now have it because they can now afford it.
Yes my sister is paying more for her family. Her old plan was eliminated. But she got a better plan then what was offered.
Remeber the health insurance companies are still controlling allot of this. They are setting the prices of the plans, not the government.
And health insurance plans change or get eliminated all the time. My wife had to change hers a few years ago because the plan wasnt being offered any more. Its jsut the fact that now a bunch are being eliminated at the same time and everyone is making a switch at the same time because of the deadline makes it seem like a huge thing that never happened.
Again what medicines being covered is what the insurance companies want to cover. I have changed insurances in the past and had to switch the type of insulin i took because the new insurance woudnt cover it.
And you cant keep your doctor? Well if you pick a plan he isnt in then no, What has changed. In the old way if your employer switched health plans and your old dr wasnt in your new one you couldnt keep him either. Not every doctor takes every insurance.

99% of what you listed is nothing new. Its just happening to everyone at the same time and being made into a giant story.

and i honestly think your comment about people are going to go with out and suffer and die is complete bs. More people are covered then before, so i dont see how that is going to happen.

[bass]

You don't even know if its going to fail yet so calm down. Was the roll out a train wreck? Yup I agree but will the plan fail? WHO KNOWS! So to come on here and drone on and on about how bad its going to be is useless. Is it wrong to educate people? No but when you badger them you get the opposite reaction your looking for.

experts have looked into it already, and if not all most said it is a disaster! to me I can't name anything the government has done that was successful, not one. they are the cause of healthcare costs increases, and cost of living for that mater. my family doc spends 1/2 of his time filling out paperwork mandated by the government, no wonder why the healthcare costs is so high! he has to charge twice as much to make up for the time he wastes on paperwork. we adopted two cats for the county shelter, we paid $5 for each cat, you should have seen the paperwork we had to sign, it was like buying a house, this is for cats that were on the list to be put to sleep. now just imagine what doctors go through just to buy a piece of equipment!

[GirlyGymRat]

experts have looked into it already, and if not all most said it is a disaster! to me I can't name anything the government has done that was successful, not one. they are the cause of healthcare costs increases, and cost of living for that mater. my family doc spends 1/2 of his time filling out paperwork mandated by the government, no wonder why the healthcare costs is so high! he has to charge twice as much to make up for the time he wastes on paperwork. we adopted two cats for the county shelter, we paid $5 for each cat, you should have seen the paperwork we had to sign, it was like buying a house, this is for cats that were on the list to be put to sleep. now just imagine what doctors go through just to buy a piece of equipment!

i am not going to enter into the debate on affordable care act in particular. My comment is to the paper work. I think this is driven by law suits and trying to protect from law suits.

[lovbyts]

i am not going to enter into the debate on affordable care act in particular. My comment is to the paper work. I think this is driven by law suits and trying to protect from law suits.

Yes and No. The paperwork is to cover their butt but mostly to prove the treatment was necessary be it an office visit, checkup, prescription etc of it wont be covered by insurance. The insurance companies are in bed with and part of the government regulations and bureaucracy. It's going to get a lot worse with paperwork. Soon you wont be able to get an xray until it's approved by your insurance and a panel of experts (government regulators) to determine if it's necessary or not. Same with blood work and MRI/Cat scans will take months to get approved just like they do in most other countries with socialized medicine.

I HOPE those who are optimistic are correct and it will bet better and help the masses instead of the direction it really looks like it is going. I would love to come back to this in a years time and say I was wrong, really I hope I have to eat crow. I'm not typically a pessimist or view things negatively or the cup 1/2 empty but I agree with the statement mentioned many times, what has the government gotten involved in with business and made things better or cost less?

[Metalject]

Serious question, for those that support that law or who say we don't know if it's a good thing yet, at one point would you say "this is a disaster"?

[gixxerboy1]

Serious question, for those that support that law or who say we don't know if it's a good thing yet, at one point would you say "this is a disaster"?

i would say there are going to be kinks and bugs in the beginning. I know im having one with my insurance but its not a big deal, it will get fixed. I think part of it is since alot of people are all signing up at once there is just a lag time with paperwork

I really dont know what would happen to classify it as a disaster. I know that someone is always going to have a problem and not be happy. But that was normal before with health insurance it will just be publicized more. But there will be people that will be happy too.

I guess i didnt answer the question. I guess we will know the disaster when it happens

[Metalject]

i would say there are going to be kinks and bugs in the beginning. I know im having one with my insurance but its not a big deal, it will get fixed. I think part of it is since alot of people are all signing up at once there is just a lag time with paperwork

I really dont know what would happen to classify it as a disaster. I know that someone is always going to have a problem and not be happy. But that was normal before with health insurance it will just be publicized more. But there will be people that will be happy too.

I guess i didnt answer the question. I guess we will know the disaster when it happens

I don't think we have the ability to recognize a disaster anymore, not as a whole. The line is so thick and people are so emotionally entrenched with their opinions that I'm not sure if any truth will ever be recognized as the truth. I am convinced that you could find people who would praise the law even if it were blatantly the biggest disaster in the nation's history just as you'd find those that hate it even if it makes gold drip out of everyone's rear end.

That's the worst part about this whole situation, the way we've become emotionally attached to ideas on either side. And yes, I'm generalizing as a whole but the whole is what counts in this situation.

[gixxerboy1]

I don't think we have the ability to recognize a disaster anymore, not as a whole. The line is so thick and people are so emotionally entrenched with their opinions that I'm not sure if any truth will ever be recognized as the truth. I am convinced that you could find people who would praise the law even if it were blatantly the biggest disaster in the nation's history just as you'd find those that hate it even if it makes gold drip out of everyone's rear end.

That's the worst part about this whole situation, the way we've become emotionally attached to ideas on either side. And yes, I'm generalizing as a whole but the whole is what counts in this situation.

You make a great point. And i happy the law was passed. Im not saying its perfect and the solution. But something had to be done. If someone can come up with a better solution to the old system im open to it

[Hazard]

We shouldn't have passed this just because no one else had a better idea. It's a $1 trillion experiment that's being run by the same people who fvck up everything they touch.

The real problem tho is that if there is a better solution..... We'll never get to try it now. We're too far sunk into this shithole

[DSM4Life]

Life will go on as normal. If it fails someone will change it *yawn. Oh what's that? Your crying about wasted money. Why not go ask the bank how they spent their $700 billion when they got bailed out for a problem they created themselves.

[bass]

We shouldn't have passed this just because no one else had a better idea. It's a $1 trillion experiment that's being run by the same people who fvck up everything they touch.

The real problem tho is that if there is a better solution..... We'll never get to try it now. We're too far sunk into this shithole

^^^ that's the big issue.

and even if it takes time to get the kinks out at best we'll end up in the same place we are now. but based on history I KNOW this will fail miserably just like anything else run by the government. this model is practiced in Europe and Canada and both are junk and need to be overhauled. just look at how many members post here from Europe complain about how their health is handled, we are headed in the same direction with this Obama Care. remember he sold the idea bases on LIES.

[Metalject]

You make a great point. And i happy the law was passed. Im not saying its perfect and the solution. But something had to be done. If someone can come up with a better solution to the old system im open to it

Plenty of ideas regarding healthcare have been offered up, countless. How or why this is so often missed goes back, in my opinion, to exactly what I was talking about above. People want to believe what they want to believe. Those that support the new healthcare law use this argument all the time, "no other solutions were offered" but again, that's simply not true. People enjoy bitching and complaining and then continuing to elect the same idiots on the left and right. And when those guys die or retire, people immediately look for carbon copy replacements despite bitching and and complaining about the originals.

1. Allow people to buy insurance across state lines just as they do every other form of insurance. This creates competition, creates a need for insurance companies to be more appealing to the consumer and drives cost down. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

2. Pass legislation that makes it illegal for an insurance company to drop you if you get injured or sick. And if you're an insurance company and don't care for that idea, sell something else. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

3. Stop taxing healthcare cost and medications. This again helps bring cost down. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

4. Put an end to medial law suites. Ambulance chasers, make it affordable for doctors to protect themselves. This brings healthcare cost down dramatically. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

We can keep going but those simple 4 things would make a massive difference. IMO far more so than anything that's been done. Yes, you can argue that even in that millions of people will not have insurance. Well, millions of people are not going to have insurance under Obama Care. All they're doing is changing who does and doesn't have it. Your average middle-income American who makes just enough money not to qualify for subsidized care won't be able to afford his healthcare for himself and his family when he's paying $800-$900 per month and $15k deductibles.

Obama Care is not healthcare, it is nothing more than the largest attempt to move money around in U.S. history. To take from some and give to others, to decide who gets and who loses. Obama Care has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare.

[gixxerboy1]

Plenty of ideas regarding healthcare have been offered up, countless. How or why this is so often missed goes back, in my opinion, to exactly what I was talking about above. People want to believe what they want to believe. Those that support the new healthcare law use this argument all the time, "no other solutions were offered" but again, that's simply not true. People enjoy bitching and complaining and then continuing to elect the same idiots on the left and right. And when those guys die or retire, people immediately look for carbon copy replacements despite bitching and and complaining about the originals.

1. Allow people to buy insurance across state lines just as they do every other form of insurance. This creates competition, creates a need for insurance companies to be more appealing to the consumer and drives cost down. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

2. Pass legislation that makes it illegal for an insurance company to drop you if you get injured or sick. And if you're an insurance company and don't care for that idea, sell something else. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

3. Stop taxing healthcare cost and medications. This again helps bring cost down. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

4. Put an end to medial law suites. Ambulance chasers, make it affordable for doctors to protect themselves. This brings healthcare cost down dramatically. - This has been talked about numerous times but no one listens.

We can keep going but those simple 4 things would make a massive difference. IMO far more so than anything that's been done. Yes, you can argue that even in that millions of people will not have insurance. Well, millions of people are not going to have insurance under Obama Care. All they're doing is changing who does and doesn't have it. Your average middle-income American who makes just enough money not to qualify for subsidized care won't be able to afford his healthcare for himself and his family when he's paying $800-$900 per month and $15k deductibles.

Obama Care is not healthcare, it is nothing more than the largest attempt to move money around in U.S. history. To take from some and give to others, to decide who gets and who loses. Obama Care has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare.

if i hear the deductible argument one more time i will scream. Most policies the deductible just applies for a major health issue. Going to a primary dr for colds, check ups your normal health crap. your deductible doesn't matter. you pay your copay. Some policies if you goto the ER and are not admitted your deductible doesn't matter you pay your er copay,
This is one thing i did a ton of research on. And i probably use my health insurance more then most on here. In the last 10 years i had to pay deductible twice.
even this last year when i had my neck surgery, i was out the same day, i did not have to pay my deductible.
So these arguments that family are going to have to pay 15000 a year in premiums and another 10k deductible before they can use their insurance is bullshit

and i agree that obama care isnt health care, its new rules and regulations that the health industry has to go buy.

[Hazard]

So if the deductible doesn't matter than why did Obama make it a huge issue? He said deductibles bankrupt people. Yet his own policy backfired and increased deductibles for a lot of people. Now you don't hear him talking about it.

Also..... Tell all this to someone who goes in for a bypass surgery. I'm sure they aren't happy with their increased deductible. Now you might argue that it's not the majority who are affected so people will just have to deal for the greater good.

Well..... Did you want to deal with it before obamacare? I'm not accusing or being a dick - I'm just making a point to people who think this way. The majority of Americans were covered prior to the bill. Since then - millions have lost coverage. So those with pre-existing conditions didnt have coverage before but they do now. People who had cheap coverage before cant afford coverage now but these people don't have pre-existing conditions. How is that fair?

Me and my daughter still don't have coverage. I can't afford it at all. I have to take the penalty this year. I'm also hoping this is the case for many so the system bankrupts itself. I won't hold my breath tho.

[gixxerboy1]

So if the deductible doesn't matter than why did Obama make it a huge issue? He said deductibles bankrupt people. Yet his own policy backfired and increased deductibles for a lot of people. Now you don't hear him talking about it.

Also..... Tell all this to someone who goes in for a bypass surgery. I'm sure they aren't happy with their increased deductible. Now you might argue that it's not the majority who are affected so people will just have to deal for the greater good.

Well..... Did you want to deal with it before obamacare? I'm not accusing or being a dick - I'm just making a point to people who think this way. The majority of Americans were covered prior to the bill. Since then - millions have lost coverage. So those with pre-existing conditions didnt have coverage before but they do now. People who had cheap coverage before cant afford coverage now but these people don't have pre-existing conditions. How is that fair?

Me and my daughter still don't have coverage. I can't afford it at all. I have to take the penalty this year. I'm also hoping this is the case for many so the system bankrupts itself. I won't hold my breath tho.

yea i guess it would suck if you need a bypass and have to pay that deductible. But does it suck if that person didnt have insurance before this and would have to pay a lot larger bill?
Loys of people lost coverage? why because the insurance company no longer offered that plan. That happens regularly. Thats happened in the past before with my insurance and my wife also. Its just now that since they are all happening at the same time and its getting more publicity because of the law. They can sign up for another insurance plan. So its not like they have to go uninsured now.

I know a few people with no pre existing condition that could never afford health insurance before. And with the subsidy can. A good friend of mine a single 27 year old female got medical and dental for $50 a month. She has no copay going to a regualr doctor and like a $1500 deducible.

like i said my wifes plan went unchanged, she is on the same plan she had for the last 2 years. no increase in price.
I got better coverage then i had and dental and am saving $50 a month over what i was paying.

I'm sure there are people that got worse coverage or paid more. But there are people who got better coverage. And some people paid less. Your never going to make anything that helps 100% of the people.

[RaginCajun]

yea i guess it would suck if you need a bypass and have to pay that deductible. But does it suck if that person didnt have insurance before this and would have to pay a lot larger bill?
Loys of people lost coverage? why because the insurance company no longer offered that plan. That happens regularly. Thats happened in the past before with my insurance and my wife also. Its just now that since they are all happening at the same time and its getting more publicity because of the law. They can sign up for another insurance plan. So its not like they have to go uninsured now.

I know a few people with no pre existing condition that could never afford health insurance before. And with the subsidy can. A good friend of mine a single 27 year old female got medical and dental for $50 a month. She has no copay going to a regualr doctor and like a $1500 deducible.

like i said my wifes plan went unchanged, she is on the same plan she had for the last 2 years. no increase in price.
I got better coverage then i had and dental and am saving $50 a month over what i was paying.

I'm sure there are people that got worse coverage or paid more. But there are people who got better coverage. And some people paid less. Your never going to make anything that helps 100% of the people.

what insurance program/company is she with? i want to know cuz I pay waaaaaaaay more than that and have a $5,000 deductible.

single 32 yr old male, no kids

[Hazard]

That's my point...... We didn't improve a lot. We just shifted who's getting fvcked. But it cost us $1 trillion.

People agree its better because it benefits them. It's human nature i suppose.

I still don't see how anyone can agree that it's okay to fine someone for not taking insurance. They can go ahead and fine me..... I can't afford the insurance anyways. If I get seriously ill ill get the same charity care that was offered before. It'll bleed the system dry but what do I care? I'm the one that's benefitting right?

[spywizard]

what' is doing is having the middle class pay for medicaid thats medial coverage for the poor, since they are in the same pool as working middle class americans who are hurt the most from this program.

now that the middle class is paying even more )and it not being a tax increase but a fee, I say I get to dictate how a person lives, how much they weigh, if they are allowed to purchase food/smokes/or drive, after all, if they are a danger to me, and I'm paying for their lives, they don't get to choose the life they want to live..

But don't mind me, I believe in prisons like "Escape from New York" perfect solution, once you go in, you don't come out..

[gixxerboy1]

That's my point...... We didn't improve a lot. We just shifted who's getting fvcked. But it cost us $1 trillion.

People agree its better because it benefits them. It's human nature i suppose.

I still don't see how anyone can agree that it's okay to fine someone for not taking insurance. They can go ahead and fine me..... I can't afford the insurance anyways. If I get seriously ill ill get the same charity care that was offered before. It'll bleed the system dry but what do I care? I'm the one that's benefitting right?

i dont see how the fine isnt ok, but its ok for people to goto the er with no insurance and never pay a bill? THey have to treat you by law. So how is that fair and good for the system?

[gixxerboy1]

what insurance program/company is she with? i want to know cuz I pay waaaaaaaay more than that and have a $5,000 deductible.

single 32 yr old male, no kids

she got a subsidy so thats why only paying that much. but it was well under your $500 with out it. The company she is with i never heard of it maybe a florida company.
my wifes is $225 with no subsidy
mine is $300 with dental and no subsidy
eveyone keeps mentioning deductibles. There is allot more to then that to a plan. like i said most people never use the deductible. But co payments / pharmacy benefits matter allot to. you may have a high deductible but still a great plan