Guns and Children

[Fcastle357]

Im a roman catholic this "karma" does not affect me

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[Euroholic]

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[Othello]

I think its something in the culture.

In Lebanon, EVERY house has AT LEAST one firearm...be it handgun, sub machine gun or even heavy weaponry like RPGs and the rest (mostly remnants of the war). In the last 20 years there has been maybe one or two accidents where children harmed themselves using a loaded gun lying around. but NEVER has there been a case where a kid took his dads/moms gun and went out killing others. Hell we never had an adult do it (except the mad men of God or other terrorist groups but then thats a diff issue).

my point here is that those accidents are mostly promoted by the surrounding culture coupled with the presence of firearms. not guns alone.

I have several weapons in my house and three boys.

To this day none of them will even think of opening the gun safe and even touching the guns. I explained to them the dangers of weapons and took them to the fire range to show them what guns can do. also taught them about proper gun-thiquette and that was it.

all those laws and legislations are useless IMO with the presence of a violent culture/environment where kids are immersed from a very young age.

Music, movies, video games all promote violence and teach kids how fun it is to take a life. There lies the rub I believe...

Kids have to be told that a life is sacred (regardless of religious things) and that it is not ours to take it. they should learn to respect the other for what he is and despite differences. tolerance is the key.

I speak from experience. I took lives of people during the war just because they prayed to a different god than I did. I then took lives of people of my own religion just because they followed a different leader than I did then I realized how stupid I was. back then my justification was it was them or me...they were wrong and i was right....but today I realize it was a stupid chess game in which i was less than a pawn....anyway...change the culture...educate the kids and give them more ways to really express themselves without all that synthetic shit that "modern" kids have and I believe you solve the problem. definitively not with strict gun laws as those will only serve to make the black market vendors richer.

did i rant too much? I need coffee

[lovbyts]

Very disturbing. When does an 11 year old decide a gun and 400 rounds of ammo is a good idea?!?!

Video games and the media/Hollywood glorify it daily. There is a reason for video games ratings and parents should enforce it.

[MuscleInk]

Video games and the media/Hollywood glorify it daily. There is a reason for video games ratings and parents should enforce it.

I whole heartedly agree! My 12 year old son (my HAW's biological son) is nuts about video games. Every game he plays is some kind of first or third person shooter game. You practically have to pry the PS3, Xbox, IPad, Nintendo DS, Wii, or whatever he's using out of his hands. So, one of my last gun purchases was a 22 rifle. Two weeks ago, I took him to the gun range for his first experience with a gun. His very first reaction was to grab the gun and put his finger immediately inside the trigger guard. I took the gun from him and politely taught him some basic gun safety again (treat every gun as if it were loaded; always point the gun down range; never put your finger inside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot; know your target and beyond; etc).

After a review of basic gun safety, he quickly became comfortable firing off 10 rounds at a time - often in rapid succession like his video games.

Lesson number two. After firing about 100 rounds, I decided it was time to teach him about the guns he uses on video games and that these certainly aren't toys (not that the 22 was a toy either!!!). The first was my Patriot Ordinance 5.56. I put one round in the chamber, turned on the HUD scope and once the gun was positioned down range, let him fire the single round. The recoil gave him a quick jab in the shoulder and he spun around and said he didn't want to fire the gun any more because it hurt.

Lesson three (lol). After the 5.56, I decided to let him feel the recoil from my 12 gauge Benelli M4 semi-automatic shotgun. One game load round in the chamber and I set him up with the gun pointed down range with safety on. When he was ready, I switched the safety off and told him to pull the trigger. The recoil nearly knocked him off his feet, lol. Needless to say he didn't want to fire the M4 anymore either and had a newfound respect (and a few new bruises) for guns and understood that there weren't the benign toys he had come to see on his video games.

He still asks to go to the range but only wants to use the 22. Lol

[cgi]

I think its something in the culture.

In Lebanon, EVERY house has AT LEAST one firearm...be it handgun, sub machine gun or even heavy weaponry like RPGs and the rest (mostly remnants of the war). In the last 20 years there has been maybe one or two accidents where children harmed themselves using a loaded gun lying around. but NEVER has there been a case where a kid took his dads/moms gun and went out killing others. Hell we never had an adult do it (except the mad men of God or other terrorist groups but then thats a diff issue).

my point here is that those accidents are mostly promoted by the surrounding culture coupled with the presence of firearms. not guns alone.

I have several weapons in my house and three boys.

To this day none of them will even think of opening the gun safe and even touching the guns. I explained to them the dangers of weapons and took them to the fire range to show them what guns can do. also taught them about proper gun-thiquette and that was it.

all those laws and legislations are useless IMO with the presence of a violent culture/environment where kids are immersed from a very young age.

Music, movies, video games all promote violence and teach kids how fun it is to take a life. There lies the rub I believe...

Kids have to be told that a life is sacred (regardless of religious things) and that it is not ours to take it. they should learn to respect the other for what he is and despite differences. tolerance is the key.

I speak from experience. I took lives of people during the war just because they prayed to a different god than I did. I then took lives of people of my own religion just because they followed a different leader than I did then I realized how stupid I was. back then my justification was it was them or me...they were wrong and i was right....but today I realize it was a stupid chess game in which i was less than a pawn....anyway...change the culture...educate the kids and give them more ways to really express themselves without all that synthetic shit that "modern" kids have and I believe you solve the problem. definitively not with strict gun laws as those will only serve to make the black market vendors richer.

did i rant too much? I need coffee

Totally agree it's a culture and personally I think it's because kids are EXTREMELY wussified these days. They think their lives are soooo sad and depressing because they get "bullied" at school. Even though bullying is rarely ever physical like it used to be, usually someone calls them fat or gay. Boo ****ing hoo. Kids are justified in the way they feel by the dumb T.V shows out there these days, not to mention our media puts up these school shooters faces constantly and talks about them 24/7. A teen that feels like nobody listens to them and that they're not important will think "maybe now they'll listen and everyone will know who I am". It's an age of self-entitled brats who get participation trophies and play little league games where scores aren't kept because everyone's a winner... these kids have no idea how to put things in perspective. They don't know what a HARD LIFE really is because they've never had to go days without food or clean water, they haven't had to watch their family killed in front of them by Obama's drones or the machete's of Hutu tribes people.

[cgi]

I whole heartedly agree! My 12 year old son (my HAW's biological son) is nuts about video games. Every game he plays is some kind of first or third person shooter game. You practically have to pry the PS3, Xbox, IPad, Nintendo DS, Wii, or whatever he's using out of his hands. So, one of my last gun purchases was a 22 rifle. Two weeks ago, I took him to the gun range for his first experience with a gun. His very first reaction was to grab the gun and put his finger immediately inside the trigger guard. I took the gun from him and politely taught him some basic gun safety again (treat every gun as if it were loaded; always point the gun down range; never put your finger inside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot; know your target and beyond; etc).

After a review of basic gun safety, he quickly became comfortable firing off 10 rounds at a time - often in rapid succession like his video games.

Lesson number two. After firing about 100 rounds, I decided it was time to teach him about the guns he uses on video games and that these certainly aren't toys (not that the 22 was a toy either!!!). The first was my Patriot Ordinance 5.56. I put one round in the chamber, turned on the HUD scope and once the gun was positioned down range, let him fire the single round. The recoil gave him a quick jab in the shoulder and he spun around and said he didn't want to fire the gun any more because it hurt.

Lesson three (lol). After the 5.56, I decided to let him feel the recoil from my 12 gauge Benelli M4 semi-automatic shotgun. One game load round in the chamber and I set him up with the gun pointed down range with safety on. When he was ready, I switched the safety off and told him to pull the trigger. The recoil nearly knocked him off his feet, lol. Needless to say he didn't want to fire the M4 anymore either and had a newfound respect (and a few new bruises) for guns and understood that there weren't the benign toys he had come to see on his video games.

He still asks to go to the range but only wants to use the 22. Lol

I don't think it's violent video games themselves. I played violent video games throughout my teen years and still do and I haven't shot anyone. But I will say it's mostly a combination of things and the most important is isolation. People who become isolated lone wolves are the most prone to this behavior. These shooters are ALWAYS outcasts. And sure the violent video games and violent movies play a role, if you say they don't then you're dneying reality. Would these same people say that companies are IDIOTS for spending millions of dollars on 30 second advertisements on T.V to get people to buy something? They obviously work and that's why those ads are there. You can't tell me a 120 minute violent movie will have zero effect on someones violent tendencies.

[MuscleInk]

i was surfing the channels one day and stayed at boxing channel for a while. within 5 mins, my 4yr old boy was punching me and laughing. kids these days, they learn fast, but not always the right things.

I saw this first hand in my son when he was three (he's 6 now). One weekend at home, one of my Jack Russels was misbehaving. I grabbed the handle off a toy broom my son had and smacked the dog on the ass. Not enough to hurt the dog but he didn't see it coming and it startled him enough to make him bolt from the scene. Nothing further came from the incident......until the next day. When I went to pick up my son from preschool, there was an "Oops Report". A report teachers issue when a child has been injured or......wait for it.....a child has injured another child. Apparently another boy playing outside during play time, took the toy my son was playing with. My son picked up a stick off the ground, walked over to the other kid and.....whap....smacked the kid in the ass with the stick. Lol.

Nice job dad!

Yes, kids are very impressionable....even at 3 years old!!!!

[MuscleInk]

I don't think it's violent video games themselves. I played violent video games throughout my teen years and still do and I haven't shot anyone. But I will say it's mostly a combination of things and the most important is isolation. People who become isolated lone wolves are the most prone to this behavior. These shooters are ALWAYS outcasts. And sure the violent video games and violent movies play a role, if you say they don't then you're dneying reality. Would these same people say that companies are IDIOTS for spending millions of dollars on 30 second advertisements on T.V to get people to buy something? They obviously work and that's why those ads are there. You can't tell me a 120 minute violent movie will have zero effect on someones violent tendencies.

I'm sure it's multifactorial. I too played a lot of aggressive sports and violent video games and I turned out alright (um....I think, lol). Parents, genetics, and the environments children are raised in (including the peers they associate with) all contribute to shaping behavior and understanding right from wrong.