American Sniper

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Pardon my memory but aren't you from iraq or somewere in the middle east?

Im going to see the movie tonight. I hope its good. I like eastwood and bradley.

What does that have to do with anything?! Yes was born in Iraq, came to the US when I was 17, I'm almost 55, three of my boys served, two were deployed, one twice to irag. Now what?!

[Euroholic]

What does that have to do with anything?! Yes was born in Iraq, came to the US when I was 17, I'm almost 55, three of my boys served, two were deployed, one twice to irag. Now what?!

I only asked because i was curious. Ive never really seen so much passion from a non native. Its good to see mate.

[Euroholic]

Don't you have drugs to sell to underage kids or something?

Don't you have someone else to slander? And theres no need to put underage infront of kids because its a given kids are underage.

[Euroholic]

Well i saw the movie last night it was good you can't go wrong with eastwood or bradley. I never read the book so i don't no how real it was but i give it 4/5 euro stars.

[Mp859]

Well i saw the movie last night it was good you can't go wrong with eastwood or bradley. I never read the book so i don't no how real it was but i give it 4/5 euro stars.

Check of silver linings play book. Super weird but a good watch. Became more of a Bradley cooper fan after that movie.

[bass]

I only asked because i was curious. Ive never really seen so much passion from a non native. Its good to see mate.

I'm also Roman Catholic, a minority in that hellhole called Iraq! so you can see why I am so in love with my new home/country. freedom! and thanks to people like Chris Kyle who keeps us free.

[DOSA]

America is happy you are here brother.

Love to see someone love this country so much.

[Euroholic]

I'm also Roman Catholic, a minority in that hellhole called Iraq! so you can see why I am so in love with my new home/country. freedom! and thanks to people like Chris Kyle who keeps us free.

See peopple like you make immigration good. Full adoption and integration of the host nation. Most people i see dont do that.

[bass]

See peopple like you make immigration good. Full adoption and integration of the host nation. Most people i see dont do that.

you are correct, this is why I never taught any of my children about the old culture, it's very primitive, none of my kids speaks any foreign language, only English. okay enough about me, this thread is about a hero named Chris Kyle.

[Honkey_Kong]

you are correct, this is why I never taught any of my children about the old culture, it's very primitive, none of my kids speaks any foreign language, only English. okay enough about me, this thread is about a hero named Chris Kyle.

Yeah he sounds like a hero...

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jesse-v...430042057.html

[bass]

Because Jesse's ass got kicked. Way to go Chris!

[clarky.]

This wee rat who killed Mr kyle goes on trial in mexico next month is this right ?
Do they do the death penalty there ? If so that would be the easy way out i hope this rat suffers bad really bad.

[ppwc1985]

This wee rat who killed Mr kyle goes on trial in mexico next month is this right ? Do they do the death penalty there ? If so that would be the easy way out i hope this rat suffers bad really bad.

Mexico? His trial will be in Texas. He is american and the incident happened in Texas. And I think Texas has death penalty.

[lovbyts]

He might have meant new Mexico. To bad he did not shoot himself after or better yet shoot himself before he shoot Chris.

[clarky.]

Yes texas sorry don't know were mexico came from.

[RaginCajun]

Texas is a death penalty state for sure!

[j3374]

Yeah he sounds like a hero...

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jesse-v...430042057.html

SShhhhh!!! Don't ruin the vibes on this thread with facts.

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Yeah he sounds like a hero...

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jesse-v...430042057.html

SShhhhh!!! Don't ruin the vibes on this thread with facts.

im curious, what are these facts ur referring to?

[j3374]

The True Story Behind 'American Sniper' - MensJournal.com



Not only was Kyle found to be lying in a court of law about punching Ventura, but his tall tales about gunning down looters and carjackers have absolutely no proof.

[j3374]

7 big lies ‘American Sniper’ is telling America about Iraq and Chris Kyle

[bass]

any one can write anything about anything but it doesn't mean it's true. simply talk to 100s of people who knew him personally and they all say the same thing about him. but there will always be people who will dislike someone simply for what they stand for, and therefore make up lies. for me I believe those 100s maybe 1000s of real people who say good thing about Chris Kyle, not some new paper or one man's opinion.

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The True Story Behind 'American Sniper' - MensJournal.com



Not only was Kyle found to be lying in a court of law about punching Ventura, but his tall tales about gunning down looters and carjackers have absolutely no proof.

7 big lies ‘American Sniper’ is telling America about Iraq and Chris Kyle

neither one of these articles can be constituted as fact. theyre just opinions.

here are some facts:
Chris Kyle has 160+ confirmed kills
Chris Kyle served 4 tours of duty
Chris Kyle is a highly decorated SEAL
Chris Kyle is dead
Jesse Ventura sued successfully Chris Kyle for 1.8million, and persisted in the suit even after the SEAL was killed for trying to help other people.
The burden of proof for a civil case is significantly less than that of a criminal case, (some would even argue to a fault).
Differences between Civil and Criminal Law

here is one opinion:
jesse ventura has a public reputation he needs to protect, and he certainly does not want it tarnished. maybe what happened is true, and in order for him to try to save face he pursued the suit. the fact that he continued after kyles death and forced kyles grieving widow to endure the suit, in my opinion, reflects poorly on the character of jesse ventura.

the bottom line, in my opinion, is this: even if kyle made up the story about jesse ventura, hurricane katrina, and the car jackers (which i dont think any of them have been conclusively proven to be lies), he is still a hero in my book. the man sacrificed himself for the benefit of our country. he saved countless american soldiers, and killed many enemy soldiers (terrorist pieces of shit).

it is a sad, sad thing that there are people in our country who are so eager to try to stomp on the memory of a true american hero. his actions in war are what credit him as a hero. who knows what type of mental crap he had to deal with as a result of being over there. it is very easy for people to criticize after the fact from the comfort and safety of their own living rooms. that very comfort and safety which continues to be afforded them thru no merit of their own, based on the acts of selflessness and bravery of those men and women who continue to fight and die to this day. its a damn shame.

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^^^ I like!

[j3374]

neither one of these articles can be constituted as fact. theyre just opinions.

here are some facts:
Chris Kyle has 160+ confirmed kills
Chris Kyle served 4 tours of duty
Chris Kyle is a highly decorated SEAL
Chris Kyle is dead
Jesse Ventura sued successfully Chris Kyle for 1.8million, and persisted in the suit even after the SEAL was killed for trying to help other people.
The burden of proof for a civil case is significantly less than that of a criminal case, (some would even argue to a fault).
Differences between Civil and Criminal Law

here is one opinion:
jesse ventura has a public reputation he needs to protect, and he certainly does not want it tarnished. maybe what happened is true, and in order for him to try to save face he pursued the suit. the fact that he continued after kyles death and forced kyles grieving widow to endure the suit, in my opinion, reflects poorly on the character of jesse ventura.

the bottom line, in my opinion, is this: even if kyle made up the story about jesse ventura, hurricane katrina, and the car jackers (which i dont think any of them have been conclusively proven to be lies), he is still a hero in my book. the man sacrificed himself for the benefit of our country. he saved countless american soldiers, and killed many enemy soldiers (terrorist pieces of shit).

it is a sad, sad thing that there are people in our country who are so eager to try to stomp on the memory of a true american hero. his actions in war are what credit him as a hero. who knows what type of mental crap he had to deal with as a result of being over there. it is very easy for people to criticize after the fact from the comfort and safety of their own living rooms. that very comfort and safety which continues to be afforded them thru no merit of their own, based on the acts of selflessness and bravery of those men and women who continue to fight and die to this day. its a damn shame.

I agree that there are countless vets who are and were heroes. I have veterans in my family who died or were severely wounded fighting for what really equated to our national safety (WW2, fellas). They didn't blab about their heroics and sacrifices in order to wallow in the glory or to make money by embellishing with B.S. stories. They didn't snipe enemies from a safe distance and then laugh about it on tv. My great uncle caught several machine gun wounds in his torso while creeping up on a fox nest with a grenade. He had to see the doctor regularly just to get his urethra cleaned out so he pee, since he had so much scar tissue coming out of his system- right up until he died. He didn't go around bragging about all of the Japs and Krauts he killed. He did what he had to do and didn't tell bullshit stories to glorify himself. He was a humble and brave man.

If this shallow piece of propaganda is your idea of a real American hero, you can proudly wave your flag while declaring, "Murica!!!". Kyle wasn't fighting for anyone's freedom in the Middle East, and he's no hero in by book.

Don't get sucked up into the Hollywood glamour and fiction.

[Euroholic]

I agree that there are countless vets who are and were heroes. I have veterans in my family who died or were severely wounded fighting for what really equated to our national safety (WW2, fellas). They didn't blab about their heroics and sacrifices in order to wallow in the glory or to make money by embellishing with B.S. stories. They didn't snipe enemies from a safe distance and then laugh about it on tv. My great uncle caught several machine gun wounds in his torso while creeping up on a fox nest with a grenade. He had to see the doctor regularly just to get his urethra cleaned out so he pee, since he had so much scar tissue coming out of his system- right up until he died. He didn't go around bragging about all of the Japs and Krauts he killed. He did what he had to do and didn't tell bullshit stories to glorify himself. He was a humble and brave man.

If this shallow piece of propaganda is your idea of a real American hero, you can proudly wave your flag while declaring, "Murica!!!". Kyle wasn't fighting for anyone's freedom in the Middle East, and he's no hero in by book.

Don't get sucked up into the Hollywood glamour and fiction.

Interesting. What unit was he with?

[lovbyts]

I agree that there are countless vets who are and were heroes. I have veterans in my family who died or were severely wounded fighting for what really equated to our national safety (WW2, fellas). They didn't blab about their heroics and sacrifices in order to wallow in the glory or to make money by embellishing with B.S. stories. They didn't snipe enemies from a safe distance and then laugh about it on tv. My great uncle caught several machine gun wounds in his torso while creeping up on a fox nest with a grenade. He had to see the doctor regularly just to get his urethra cleaned out so he pee, since he had so much scar tissue coming out of his system- right up until he died. He didn't go around bragging about all of the Japs and Krauts he killed. He did what he had to do and didn't tell bullshit stories to glorify himself. He was a humble and brave man.

If this shallow piece of propaganda is your idea of a real American hero, you can proudly wave your flag while declaring, "Murica!!!". Kyle wasn't fighting for anyone's freedom in the Middle East, and he's no hero in by book.

Don't get sucked up into the Hollywood glamour and fiction.

You also cant put everyone into the same mold to say if they were a hero or not. Everyone handles things differently and even if he bragged or not and even embellished some things does not make what he did any less important. It's all about perspective. Ive never heard a fish story where the fish didnt grow over time. That doesn't mean they are not great fishermen though.

My dad fought in WWII also. He was born in Germany, raised in Canada and eventually moved to US and enlisted in the Army. He never talked about any of his military experiences, or at least not to me but I know he saw action. Just because someone is a sniper does not make them any more or less a hero IMO but they do have there place in history. Nothing wrong with him bragging or turning it into a movie IMO and it was a good watch. It's interesting to see a different perspective of it.

As far as what happened or didn't happen with Jesse I remember when it all went down. I really dont know any of the facts and I dont believe or trust what the media reports, they slant things the way they want be it for or against.

Personally I have always though Jesse Ventura is a little but out there and his outspoken position does more harm than good to things like the 2nd amendment and UFO sightings. I think he had a right to do what he did against Kyle legally but morally he should have dropped it especially after he died. I dont think it won him any popularity votes.

[j3374]

That's true, Lovbyts. Heroism is subjective. I guess his bragging could very well be a sort of coping mechanism.

Euro- no clue. Sorry, but he didn't like to talk about it. I only know what my grandparents told me. They said that he came back "very different".

I can understand how people would be offended by my opinion, and feel like I'm disrespecting the very embodiment of the American spirit. I just was raised to place a higher value on honesty and humility than what I've heard from and about this guy. The WW2 and Vietnam vets that I know are completely different. They killed (some of them) to serve and protect the country they loved, not because they enjoyed it.

[Euroholic]

That's true, Lovbyts. Heroism is subjective. I guess his bragging could very well be a sort of coping mechanism.

Euro- no clue. Sorry, but he didn't like to talk about it. I only know what my grandparents told me. They said that he came back "very different".

I can understand how people would be offended by my opinion, and feel like I'm disrespecting the very embodiment of the American spirit. I just was raised to place a higher value on honesty and humility than what I've heard from and about this guy. The WW2 and Vietnam vets that I know are completely different. They killed (some of them) to serve and protect the country they loved, not because they enjoyed it.

I only asked because not many people fought in both theaters.

[j3374]

Euro- he likely didn't didn't fight both. After I reread that I'd posted, I understood what you were wondering. I wasn't specific.

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I agree that there are countless vets who are and were heroes. I have veterans in my family who died or were severely wounded fighting for what really equated to our national safety (WW2, fellas). They didn't blab about their heroics and sacrifices in order to wallow in the glory or to make money by embellishing with B.S. stories. They didn't snipe enemies from a safe distance and then laugh about it on tv. My great uncle caught several machine gun wounds in his torso while creeping up on a fox nest with a grenade. He had to see the doctor regularly just to get his urethra cleaned out so he pee, since he had so much scar tissue coming out of his system- right up until he died. He didn't go around bragging about all of the Japs and Krauts he killed. He did what he had to do and didn't tell bullshit stories to glorify himself. He was a humble and brave man.

If this shallow piece of propaganda is your idea of a real American hero, you can proudly wave your flag while declaring, "Murica!!!". Kyle wasn't fighting for anyone's freedom in the Middle East, and he's no hero in by book.

Don't get sucked up into the Hollywood glamour and fiction.

1. ur great uncle sounds like a good man.

2. my grandfather is a WWII Vet and my dad is a Vietnam Vet.

3. if u read my post above, u will see that what qualifies kyle as a hero in my book is not the film, but his 4 tours of duty as well as his documented military accolades: Chris Kyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chris Kyle has 160+ confirmed kills
Chris Kyle served 4 tours of duty
Chris Kyle is a highly decorated SEAL

4. "sniping enemies from a SAFE DISTANCE"??????????? smh.... i would say once u step off a plane onto foreign soil at war, safety goes out the window dude.

5. i find it incredibly presumptuous and disrespectful for u to speculate as to what a dead american hero was or was not fighting for... certainly his depth of character extends beyond media coverage and articles written about him.

6. "Don't get sucked up into the Hollywood glamour and fiction": isnt it interesting how u try to impose upon me being caught up in the "hollywood glamour and fiction" but yet u continue to post links to media coverage as a basis to justify your position. maybe u should take ur own advice.

ill say it one more time for you. what makes the man a hero is the fact that:
1. he killed 160+ enemies, while simultaneously saving american soldiers
2. served 4 tours of duty at war risking his life for our country

he even continued to work with soldiers suffering from all the crap they had to go thru over there, which ultimately led to his death.

like Lovbyts said and i reiterated: people deal with stuff differently. what he said, and did after the fact has no bearing on his prior ACTIONS AT WAR.

whether or not Chris Kyle was a hero is not even a subject for debate. it is a sad thing our country has deteriorated into such a state where people actually believe it is a subject for debate.

[bass]

Glenn Beck's Emotional ReCap of Chris Kyle's Funeral.

Glenn Beck&#39;s Emotional ReCap of Chris Kyle&#39;s Funeral - YouTube

[Euroholic]

Well i was just doing abit of online research. (Not the best im sure) and apparently. You united states of americans classify people who served outside of south vietnam as vietnam veterans. And since jesse was in the philippines as a frogman he recived a vietnam service medal and is classed as a vet. I find this strange why the usa government do this. In aus your a vietnam vet if you were deployed to south vietnam.

[j3374]

whether or not Chris Kyle was a hero is not even a subject for debate. it is a sad thing our country has deteriorated into such a state where people actually believe it is a subject for debate.

Do you really think that differences in perceptions and values is a sad reflection of our culture? I think this is one of the greatest things about our country- the 1st Amendment is one of the principles that our vets served and died for. This is exactly what sets our country apart (among other things) from Communism and Dictatorships. This doesn't only apply when someone is saying or writing opinions that happen to align with yours, 405. That's not how freedom works.

Evidently this subject is indeed up for debate. This is why Ventura won his case in a court of law, and many public figures also agree on this stance.

Thank you very, very much for showing respect to my late great uncle, even if you were very pissed at my stance. I respect your restraint with that.

I'm not going to post on this thread again. I didn't intend to offend with my opinion, only to counter a perspective that differed from the other posters. I was practicing my First Amendment rights

[tcw]

Because Jesse's ass got kicked. Way to go Chris!

Ah...Wrong Dude. That story was made up. You're under the "Hallo affect" delusion.

There was never a Bar fight with Ventura, nor Did Ventura Slander the Seals nor any service men serving in the Middle East. There were no witnesses to any bar fight scene between Ventura and Kyle. NONE. That's Why Ventura (former navy seal governor) won the 1.8m lawsuit. Ventura made them delete that part of the Book (which is better than the movie IMO)....and I DON'T BLAME HIM. I'm not much of a Ventura Fan, but I would never slander service men doing their job,....even if i was against the War and i don't think he would be stupid enough to do that either. AND i sure as hell wouldn't want to be named in a Book for doing such.

Men like Kyle come with 2 edges. You accept the good with the Bad. (i know, i served in Lebanon with guys like that). He also, was a Bar Room Brawler, Bouncer, Rodeo Bull Rider and One-Aggressive MOFO. He was a "walk-in" for the Seals Team. You think "Kyle was a regular guy?" LOL.

Kyle was a DAREDEVIL and he loved being over here killing Idiots. That's what he loved to do (read up on his stories about shooting looters in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and all the other rumors about Kyle). He was an ADRENALINE JUNKIE. That's what happens when you are out there too long killing ppl. You loose touch with what a Civilian Society looks like.

If you READ THE BOOK (like i did), you will discover that Kyle even admits to having MENTAL ISSUES from all the combat missions (which is what happens when you are out there too long). He suffered from PTSD BATTLE FATIGUE. That's why he wanted to call it quits.

Don't fall for all the "Madison Avenue Hype....!"

...there's a lot of BAD ARSES out there in those jungles that you will NEVER HEAR about. You know Why?---they don't want you to know who they are!
LOL.

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[Honkey_Kong]

Yeah, but TCM, that whole shooting of looters thing was made up too. Honestly, he lied about enough stuff in there that I wouldn't take anything he said in his book as bible truth. Maybe that was how he dealt with his job? I don't know. What I do know is there are enough real heroes out there (that don't make shit up), that I don't think it's necessary to be honoring this liar.

Besides, I don't think killing people makes somebody a hero regardless of the reason. It's more or less a sometimes necessary evil. I look more highly to people like EMTs or firemen as heroes than I do soldiers, but that's just me.

[tcw]

Yeah...i hear ya. Kyle was a dude who "liked what he was doing" (meaning, he had a loose screw). BUT, that's ok. Sometimes you need a Wolf to Kill another Wolf.

My Heroes are the Moms and Dads in this country, who go out and WORK their arses off to pay the Bills and put food on the Table for their Families. Also, PPL, who help their friends and those in Need. Those are my Heroes.

Yeah, but TCM, that whole shooting of looters thing was made up too. Honestly, he lied about enough stuff in there that I wouldn't take anything he said in his book as bible truth. Maybe that was how he dealt with his job? I don't know. What I do know is there are enough real heroes out there (that don't make shit up), that I don't think it's necessary to be honoring this liar.

Besides, I don't think killing people makes somebody a hero regardless of the reason. It's more or less a sometimes necessary evil. I look more highly to people like EMTs or firemen as heroes than I do soldiers, but that's just me.

[bass]

Ah...Wrong Dude. That story was made up. You're under the "Hallo affect" delusion.

There was never a Bar fight with Ventura, nor Did Ventura Slander the Seals nor any service men serving in the Middle East. There were no witnesses to any bar fight scene between Ventura and Kyle. NONE. That's Why Ventura (former navy seal governor) won the 1.8m lawsuit. Ventura made them delete that part of the Book (which is better than the movie IMO)....and I DON'T BLAME HIM. I'm not much of a Ventura Fan, but I would never slander service men doing their job,....even if i was against the War and i don't think he would be stupid enough to do that either. AND i sure as hell wouldn't want to be named in a Book for doing such.

Men like Kyle come with 2 edges. You accept the good with the Bad. (i know, i served in Lebanon with guys like that). He also, was a Bar Room Brawler, Bouncer, Rodeo Bull Rider and One-Aggressive MOFO. He was a "walk-in" for the Seals Team. You think "Kyle was a regular guy?" LOL.

Kyle was a DAREDEVIL and he loved being over here killing Idiots. That's what he loved to do (read up on his stories about shooting looters in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and all the other rumors about Kyle). He was an ADRENALINE JUNKIE. That's what happens when you are out there too long killing ppl. You loose touch with what a Civilian Society looks like.

If you READ THE BOOK (like i did), you will discover that Kyle even admits to having MENTAL ISSUES from all the combat missions (which is what happens when you are out there too long). He suffered from PTSD BATTLE FATIGUE. That's why he wanted to call it quits.

Don't fall for all the "Madison Avenue Hype....!"

...there's a lot of BAD ARSES out there in those jungles that you will NEVER HEAR about. You know Why?---they don't want you to know who they are!
LOL.

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not according to witnesses!

[bass]

BTW, the movie made over $32 million on super ball weekend! another record!

[GirlyGymRat]

BTW, the movie made over $32 million on super ball weekend! another record!

Any portion go toward kyles estate? That would be very nice!!! I saw movie opening weekend. I arrived about 5 min till and was nearly in the front row. :/

[bass]

I would think so because Taya is out there promoting the movie. i know for sure they are giving all the money from the book to someone else or some charity of some sort. the bottom line the Kyles are selfless people.