It's A Miracle, Prez Obama Says Thousands of African Americans Will Be Saved.....

[Hoggage_54]

This one is better and animated:

[GirlyGymRat]

The confederate flag is U S history. Period.

U.S. cannot move past this race issue which seems to be perpetuated by the same people who profit from the very existence of the issue.

[lovbyts]

The confederate flag is U S history. Period.

U.S. cannot move past this race issue which seems to be perpetuated by the same people who profit from the very existence of the issue.

I agree, BUT if they want to take it down from flying over their capital then fine as long as it is going into a meuseum or something but all this nonsense from Walmart and other stores saying they wont carry it or allow it to be sold is nonsense.

If you let those people/groups win stuff like that it will not end. They have been attacking God, religion and everything that this country was founded on for years. Wanting to remove in God We Trust from money, remove bibles from hotels and of course government buildings. Remove what they can from history books and public libraries. Stupid people cant figure out why things are getting worse they just have to look at whats been changed and reverse it.

[GirlyGymRat]

I agree, BUT if they want to take it down from flying over their capital then fine as long as it is going into a meuseum or something but all this nonsense from Walmart and other stores saying they wont carry it or allow it to be sold is nonsense. If you let those people/groups win stuff like that it will not end. They have been attacking God, religion and everything that this country was founded on for years. Wanting to remove in God We Trust from money, remove bibles from hotels and of course government buildings. Remove what they can from history books and public libraries. Stupid people cant figure out why things are getting worse they just have to look at whats been changed and reverse it.

It shouldn't be removed from history. Removing it from stores is silliness. Business r being pressured by activists. I would let sales and profit determine the merchandise I place on shelves. But I am an evil capitalist. :evil:

As the ceo of business I wouldn't offer a comment. If my PR dept was pressured to make a response I could hold off as long as I could till it blew over. The holiday is coming. Ppl going on picnics and it will be forgotten soon. If pressured to make a statement I would approve something along these lines.

Retailers make decisions on product based on the ability to provide our shareholders with a return on investment. As a member of a free country, we provide consumers with choice by offering a variety of products.

[Bonaparte]

it may have been legal in small colonies in the south but in the USA it has always been illegal

No. You're confusing the importation of African slaves with slavery itself. That was an economic issue (i.e. import vs domestic).

This lays it all out in a very clear and simple format: Slavery in America History Timeline (Abolition of Slave Trade, 14th Amendment)

I'm almost afraid to ask where you were told these blatant falsehoods...

[djgreen]

In collage from a history professor, if you were caught importing slaves you ass would be hung and the ships crew would be imprisoned or hung even before it was made illegal to import them. that's my point which would mean that the American government didn't take to kindly to it EVER even though there wer no laws set in place yet, it takes time to put it on paper and make it officially illegal .
however may have misspoken slavery wasn't illegal from the start but it was never legal either but im really not looking to debate it I know what I herd

[vic1778]

The Flag represents HATE and needs to be put a box and buried forever.

[lovbyts]

The Flag represents HATE and needs to be put a box and buried forever.

So you say but it seems many feel differently. Just because you feel that way does that mean its right? Maybe the issue is with you and not the flag?

It's always hard to see past our feelings or deletions but just because we may feel a certain way does not mean that is the mearning.

[Hazard]

The Flag represents HATE and needs to be put a box and buried forever.

I don't feel that this statement is entirely true..... I think recent groups like skin heads give the flag that monicker. Regardless..... There were american citizens (African American included) who fought and served under that flag. It has its place and it CAN hold a hateful meaning IF and only IF you let it.

[Brett N]

Seriously, it can't be put in the same category as the nazi flag with a swastika. It represents the history of half the nation. I could care less about it but it still represents something much bigger than slavery.

By the way, you can still by Nazi flags with swastikas on them from Amazon. How's that for a confusing stance?

[lovbyts]

Seriously, it can't be put in the same category as the nazi flag with a swastika. It represents the history of half the nation. I could care less about it but it still represents something much bigger than slavery.

By the way, you can still by Nazi flags with swastikas on them from Amazon. How's that for a confusing stance?

Because most of the Jewish people have moved past that and there are people still alive who lived through it.

[Brett N]

You would think it would be the opposite way around. Slavery ended 150 years ago. There isn't anyone still alive that was a slave or that owned a slave.

There are still people that were prisoners during the war( my grandfather was one) and people that had family members be killed by the nazi regime.

Wouldn't you think the nazi flag would be far more offensive to man and mankind than a confederate flag.

Just saying. All this seems rather ignorant and silly to me thinking that abolishing any symbol is going to create peace among any people.

[lovbyts]

You would think it would be the opposite way around. Slavery ended 150 years ago. There isn't anyone still alive that was a slave or that owned a slave.

There are still people that were prisoners during the war( my grandfather was one) and people that had family members be killed by the nazi regime.

Wouldn't you think the nazi flag would be far more offensive to man and mankind than a confederate flag.

Just saying. All this seems rather ignorant and silly to me thinking that abolishing any symbol is going to create peace among any people.

My point exactly.

[Euroholic]

A flag? Jobs, hobbies, holidaying etc etc don't people have anything better to do then complain about flags. I herd on tv its not even the flag of the confederate nation its just the flag there army used.

[Joco71]

You would think it would be the opposite way around. Slavery ended 150 years ago. There isn't anyone still alive that was a slave or that owned a slave.

There are still people that were prisoners during the war( my grandfather was one) and people that had family members be killed by the nazi regime.

Wouldn't you think the nazi flag would be far more offensive to man and mankind than a confederate flag.

Just saying. All this seems rather ignorant and silly to me thinking that abolishing any symbol is going to create peace among any people.

Very well said Brett.

[lovbyts]

A flag? Jobs, hobbies, holidaying etc etc don't people have anything better to do then complain about flags. I herd on tv its not even the flag of the confederate nation its just the flag there army used.

I bet all the other countries have a big laugh at us (the US) with all the BS that goes on over here.

[Euroholic]

I bet all the other countries have a big laugh at us (the US) with all the BS that goes on over here.

The biggest problem i see from a outside looking in perspective is the usa is loosing its identity as a nation. the usa allows people to immigrate and still practice there culture publicly of there old country. You change your laws to suit immigrants? Tough shitt if you offend a minority ethnic group. Should you change a countries culture to suit a immigrant? No he should change his culture and assimilate. They choice to migrate they should abandon there beliefs at the front door and adopt american beliefs. I was quite shocked when i went to the usa i saw so many non united state americans that i was quite disappointed. Your loosing your identity as a Nation. You have the strongest military in the world and yet your border protection is so weak. You give legal documents to illegal immigrants? I like the usa as a allied nation but i just can't understand why it does things sometimes!!!!!!

[kelkel]

The biggest problem i see from a outside looking in perspective is the usa is loosing its identity as a nation. the usa allows people to immigrate and still practice there culture publicly of there old country. You change your laws to suit immigrants? Tough shitt if you offend a minority ethnic group. Should you change a countries culture to suit a immigrant? No he should change his culture and assimilate. They choice to migrate they should abandon there beliefs at the front door and adopt american beliefs. I was quite shocked when i went to the usa i saw so many non united state americans that i was quite disappointed. Your loosing your identity as a Nation. You have the strongest military in the world and yet your border protection is so weak. You give legal documents to illegal immigrants? I like the usa as a allied nation but i just can't understand why it does things sometimes!!!!!!

Extreme liberal policies.
Everybody gets a trophy.
Can't offend anyone.
Extreme political correctness.
Career politicians who only care about themselves.
Government trying to control everything, including your conscience.

Your comment regarding immigrants changing their culture and assimilating is exactly what I just heard Pres candidate Bobby Jindal say. It surprised me as he's an Indian immigrant.

[Euroholic]

Extreme liberal policies.
Everybody gets a trophy.
Can't offend anyone.
Extreme political correctness.
Career politicians who only care about themselves.
Government trying to control everything, including your conscience.

Your comment regarding immigrants changing their culture and assimilating is exactly what I just heard Pres candidate Bobby Jindal say. It surprised me as he's an Indian immigrant.

The usa can project military force and power like no other country abroad but it seems it is quite weak on its home soil.

[lovbyts]

The usa can project military force and power like no other country abroad but it seems it is quite weak on its home soil.

Not so much anymore and if we keep going the way it is it wont be long and we will be an easy target. It seems the current administration is trying to make this happen as quickly as possible without causing more alarm than necessary with the general public or they might actually pay attention and say enough is enough.

[Bonaparte]

In collage from a history professor, if you were caught importing slaves you ass would be hung and the ships crew would be imprisoned or hung even before it was made illegal to import them. that's my point which would mean that the American government didn't take to kindly to it EVER even though there wer no laws set in place yet, it takes time to put it on paper and make it officially illegal .
however may have misspoken slavery wasn't illegal from the start but it was never legal either but im really not looking to debate it I know what I herd

*college

And are you screwing with me? If something isn't illegal, then it IS legal.
You just restated my point: that it was importation that was banned through most of US history, not slavery itself. And you can't tell me that the "American government didn't take kindly" to slavery, as 14 out of the 21 Founding Fathers owned slaves.

You're trying to make it sound as though slavery was just a small legal loophole that was exploited for a few years by an unscrupulous few. It wasn't. It lasted hundreds of years (Colony years count), and everyone knew it was happening.

What are we debating tomorrow, whether the Nazis were trying to exterminate the Jews vs provide them with work, food, and shelter within a homogeneous planned community?

[Brett N]

I can't make this up, maybe just an odd coincidence. I was driving back from the theater with the wife and kids yesterday and I saw a fireworks stand on the side of the road. There was a girl spinning a sign to come in and buy the fireworks. She was standing next to a 69' Dodge Charger with an 01 on the door. Sure enough, the damn General Lee was there. On the roof...nothing but a giant 01. They didn't have the damn flag on it. Maybe these were just decals but still...the damn Dukes history has even been altered now. Even Rosko P Coltraine never gave them shit about the flag on their roof.

[djgreen]

whatever you say man I really don't care to argue with you about details that happened over 100 years ago, you wasn't their and neither was I. I can respectfully disagree nowhere in the constitution or bill of rights does it say its ok to have slaves

[Brett N]

Slaves were bought and traded like livestock. Nowhere in the constitution does it same you can own mules to use for working either but it is perfectly legal. Slavery was not made illegal until the thirteenth amendment was added after the civil war. Up to then, it was perfectly legal to own them.


At what point are we going to go and bulldoze those pyramids that were also built by slaves, or the Great Wall of china. Just how extreme can this go?

[CharlesThe4th]

https://youtu.be/KVatze-k7Bc

[lovbyts]

whatever you say man I really don't care to argue with you about details that happened over 100 years ago, you wasn't their and neither was I. I can respectfully disagree nowhere in the constitution or bill of rights does it say its ok to have slaves

What he is saying that history is not tough like it use to be. Most college professors are very liberal now and teach history very differently than what it was 30+ years ago. History books have been changed little by little over the years and it's MUCH easier to change history now that most people dont use books but rely on the internet for information and that is easily tweaked/censored over time.

Call it a conspiracy, call it liberal manipulation but either way America and what it once stood for and why people wanted to be part of it has been altered into this big cesspool of how we single handedly screwed every other country in the world and we are at fault for everyone's problems and need to atone for our sins to the point of destruction.

Sorry but throughout history every race has been enslaved at one point or another and there is still a lot of slavery going one. I think we did it more humane than most for the most part. That is not saying it was right by any means but as the great Hillary Clinton would say, what does it matter now? (Benghazi reference) Only difference is it was almost 200 years ago vs a few months after the event.

It's sort of like buying HGH online. It's hard to admit or realize you got screwed or been given a false product just as it is tough to realize or admit the college education you paid good money for may not have been what it should be. The problem is it's getting tougher and tough to find the truth. If you can find an OLD set of encyclopedias at a garage sale somewhere, originals, not re prints you would be better looking up some information there.

[lovbyts]

Anyone think Obama is not a hypocrite?

[Euroholic]

Isn't obama half white?

[lovbyts]

Isn't obama half white?

His mother was white and father Kenyan. Where he was born is still up in the air. Does it matter what race he is? Yeah people would think he would help unit the two but he has done more damage than anyone in the last 50 years or more to divide them and all ethnicities, not just black and white.

Again, people just did not realize and many still dont what he meant by change.

[Honkey_Kong]

Although I'm not black, I would imagine the confederate flag would bother any black person to some degree or another. It would be impossible for it not to. However, whether that flag exists or is flown anywhere or not, I would also imagine the majority of black people just like white people or any other race, most are simply trying to live their lives day to day and that flag's existence doesn't bare any real meaning either way.

The America haters, those that say the confederate flag is a symbol of how terrible the US has been as a country overall, that's probably one of the more ridiculous arguments being made. If that argument is true, then every country and every race that has ever existed is equally just as horrible as there is no society that hasn't had slavery at some point in time. If you are alive, somewhere in your ancestry there were slaves. That doesn't justify slavery but the idea that the US has done something no one else has done is also ridiculous.

All of that said, is there any justified reason for the confederate flag flying over a government building? Nope, none whatsoever. Is there any reason for an individual to fly it on his private property, one that is a good reason? Nope, none whatsoever. But because of liberty, we're all allowed to do idiotic things no matter how stupid they are on our own property.

HK Edgerton used to be the president of a South Carolina chapter of the NAACP. He's also an avid supporter of the south and the confederacy.

[Honkey_Kong]

Isn't obama half white?

He's half honky, all donkey.

[lovbyts]

It's going to get a LOT worse before it gets better. I had not heard of it before but just did on the news (Fox). Microaggression
Now schools/colleges are looking for phrases that are considered Micro racist. They just reported the University of Wisconsin decided if you tell someone "Anyone who works hard can succeed" is racist. I guess there are 100s or more phrases that are microaggression.

Did you know if you ask an Asian person where they are from it's also racist and microaggression? It used to be considered polite conversation.

Is there a reset button where we can go back to the 1960s and do it all over?

[Brett N]

There is a reset button. Lots of first world countries have them. It sets time back a little further than the 1960s but that might be the best solution.

I guess I am lucky because I am blue collar and live in the Midwest. Our conversations would probably drop the jaws of most politicians. We talk like most people think. I never have been one to hold my thoughts back. I'm not racist, I think every race has its share of dumbass lazy people that want something for nothing.

I'm sure I will be that old guy on the front porch that all the young kids run around the neighborhood calling me names. As long as those little bastards stay off my grass. Who fn cares?

[lovbyts]

Well if you want to get a confederate flag cake from Walmart best of luck, it's not going to happen but if you want an ISIS flag cake no problem.

[CharlesThe4th]

Well if you want to get a confederate flag cake from Walmart best of luck, it's not going to happen but if you want an ISIS flag cake no problem.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ePFollQQE

Makes me Fukking sick

[Euroholic]

Well if you want to get a confederate flag cake from Walmart best of luck, it's not going to happen but if you want an ISIS flag cake no problem.

Remember earlier in the thread when you typed people in other countries must be laughing at the usa? Come on man a isis cake but not a confederate war flag cake? Racist to say if you work hard you will succeed? I really wonder what your amererican liberals must think of how in aus we lock our illegal immigrants
On a little island then send them back to where they came from often times to certin deaths from there governments.

[lovbyts]

Remember earlier in the thread when you typed people in other countries must be laughing at the usa? Come on man a isis cake but not a confederate war flag cake? Racist to say if you work hard you will succeed? I really wonder what your amererican liberals must think of how in aus we lock our illegal immigrants
On a little island then send them back to where they came from often times to certin deaths from there governments.

Most of the people coming here are NOT fleeing due to persecution anymore. Those who are can easily apply for citizenship or protection and wont be deported but now no one worries about being deported at all. Even if they are picked up for a crime they are released right away.

We have a special enforcement group called Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that are supposed to pick them up from the jail and deport them but instead they take them just a couple of blocks away and drop them off.

Speaking of illegal immigrants, now they can register to vote because the supreme court decided today it's not right anyone should have to sho ID or prove citizenship when registering to vote. Really???

Supreme Court Rejects Arizona Kansas Voter Registration Appeal | The Daily Caller

[Joco71]

Anyone think Obama is not a hypocrite?

Total left wing hipocrit. You nailed it. I'm so sick of all their political correct bullshit I could puke. Illegal Imigrants and radicals have more rights than our own true countrymen. This country needs to come together as one not black not white not yellow or brown or any other color. Our government is totally out of control in almost everyway. The young people in this country better get hip to it because its their future. Countries pay for bad decisions for decades. Sorry for the rant!!

[Juced_porkchop]

It's a brilliant idea.
Making drugs illegal worked, right?

Yep... prohibition always works... didn't you know?

[Honkey_Kong]

Well if you want to get a confederate flag cake from Walmart best of luck, it's not going to happen but if you want an ISIS flag cake no problem.

As right as this guy is, I don't want to be siding with rednecks.