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    Hope he legalizes aas for personel use.

    In my country the use of heroin will soon not be punished but if you help your ruined hpta by yourself they are all over your ass. Hm, in order to protect u and the society??

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    This is the first time I can think of in my 44 years of life America has had an actual uprising and decided not to listen to politicians regurgitating the same stuff we want to hear. We have someone who was genuine with who they were the entire race and won. Now all the Republicans who told Trump to go pound sand because they were sure Hillary would win will have to suck up now and I love it. A clear message has also been sent to any radical Muslim group who wants to attack us on our soil. We have a President like Reagan who will absolutely annihilate you where you stand and all of your ancestors just for good measure.
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    A lot of people dont like Trump and I think it has to do with the way he talked.BUT! I think he did this purposely to reach the avg working and poor people.Who for the most part tell it like it is.And he did it well beacuse he took dam near all the out lying areas where country folks live.Now remember he is a very sucessful business man so he knows how to talk and get things done.But America needed to have a break from the good ole boyz in office making themselfs richer.
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    I've lived in the USA (Connecticut) and live in Canada now, about 60 minutes from the US border. I'm not American but keep up to date on the politics, as it indirectly impacts my life, and even my job (Healthcare).

    Clinton and the Democrat party absolutely killed themselves by deriding Bernie Sanders. Sanders was someone who walked the walk, through his personal actions, his protests as a youth, and his voting which has been consistent his entire political life. He engaged the youth vote, the same way Obama did, and when emails were leaked that showed how the system was rigged against him, that completely fed into Trump's words of how the system is rigged, and it disengaged the same demographic who helped Obama win.

    People talk about Bernie Sanders as some communist who was going to turn the USA into China, but his many of his policies mirrored those of the great President Eisenhower, a Republican. Eisenhower: “to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it.” - Bernie's sentiments were identical.

    The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. I think Trump is an absolute clown, based on both his words and actions, but this outcome doesn't surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggage_54 View Post
    I've lived in the USA (Connecticut) and live in Canada now, about 60 minutes from the US border. I'm not American but keep up to date on the politics, as it indirectly impacts my life, and even my job (Healthcare).

    Clinton and the Democrat party absolutely killed themselves by deriding Bernie Sanders. Sanders was someone who walked the walk, through his personal actions, his protests as a youth, and his voting which has been consistent his entire political life. He engaged the youth vote, the same way Obama did, and when emails were leaked that showed how the system was rigged against him, that completely fed into Trump's words of how the system is rigged, and it disengaged the same demographic who helped Obama win.

    People talk about Bernie Sanders as some communist who was going to turn the USA into China, but his many of his policies mirrored those of the great President Eisenhower, a Republican. Eisenhower: “to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it.” - Bernie's sentiments were identical.

    The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. I think Trump is an absolute clown, based on both his words and actions, but this outcome doesn't surprise me.
    He may be a mistake but most Americans are so frustrated how the government is running and with Hillary promising more of the same for better or worse, we had no choice but to go with him. I'm a democrat myself but I could not get myself to vote for her at all......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggage_54 View Post
    I've lived in the USA (Connecticut) and live in Canada now, about 60 minutes from the US border. I'm not American but keep up to date on the politics, as it indirectly impacts my life, and even my job (Healthcare).

    Clinton and the Democrat party absolutely killed themselves by deriding Bernie Sanders. Sanders was someone who walked the walk, through his personal actions, his protests as a youth, and his voting which has been consistent his entire political life. He engaged the youth vote, the same way Obama did, and when emails were leaked that showed how the system was rigged against him, that completely fed into Trump's words of how the system is rigged, and it disengaged the same demographic who helped Obama win.

    People talk about Bernie Sanders as some communist who was going to turn the USA into China, but his many of his policies mirrored those of the great President Eisenhower, a Republican. Eisenhower: “to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it.” - Bernie's sentiments were identical.

    The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. I think Trump is an absolute clown, based on both his words and actions, but this outcome doesn't surprise me.
    Bernie is more a national workers socialist than he is a communist. Particularly when it comes to green and income equality issues.

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    Just saw some statistics that in 4 decades a european white christian or atheist will be a minority in the usa. Asian, central american and muslims are on the rise. I got a farm if any of you lads need a job. Diversity is good but when you completely change your demographics thats never a good thing

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    The trigger has been pulled - we'll find out what comes out of the barrel within the next 3-6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Right now the first thing I want to see is obamacare thrown into a fiery pit with all of Obamas "accomplishments". With the house and Senate behind him it's as good as gone.
    This Obamacare thing is something that doesn't get that much attention over here in Europe, I thought he was supposed to improve things and make healthcare more like it is in most European countries. France got a pretty great healthcare I believe, England isn't bad either, while Scandinavia, we got a very decent healthcare, but it's very ineffective. (on average each person should get about 5000EUR each year in the healthcare budget, that's 5000EUR pr year, your entire life. Since some people don't see a doctor in 10 years, others live with a stroke that need 100% assistance with everything, this sum isn't divided evenly. And a 70year old with bad knees will have to wait for an operation a long time, while a 20year old with bad knees will get their operation in weeks, as an example)

    But what happened with this Obamacare? Seems like the average person is worse off?

    And Trump winning is a middle finger to the current government.
    It tells me that Americans are totally fed up, even with Hilary being as bad as she is, Trump wouldn't have won 20years ago IMO. Hilary represents the status quo IMO, and it was very clear Americans needed a change.

    Trump has been playing the clown part up to now, will be very intresting to see what he actually will do and can do and how his rethoric is gonna be as president. I really hope he will accomplish something.

    (Flag burning would be illegal here too, as would leaving the flag out after sunset (ordinary flags, some types are allowed), but I've never heard of anyone getting convicted of mishandling the flag. I would say freedom of speech is more important, though flag burning is in pretty bad taste)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    This Obamacare thing is something that doesn't get that much attention over here in Europe, I thought he was supposed to improve things and make healthcare more like it is in most European countries. France got a pretty great healthcare I believe, England isn't bad either, while Scandinavia, we got a very decent healthcare, but it's very ineffective. (on average each person should get about 5000EUR each year in the healthcare budget, that's 5000EUR pr year, your entire life. Since some people don't see a doctor in 10 years, others live with a stroke that need 100% assistance with everything, this sum isn't divided evenly. And a 70year old with bad knees will have to wait for an operation a long time, while a 20year old with bad knees will get their operation in weeks, as an example)

    But what happened with this Obamacare? Seems like the average person is worse off?

    And Trump winning is a middle finger to the current government.
    It tells me that Americans are totally fed up, even with Hilary being as bad as she is, Trump wouldn't have won 20years ago IMO. Hilary represents the status quo IMO, and it was very clear Americans needed a change.

    Trump has been playing the clown part up to now, will be very intresting to see what he actually will do and can do and how his rethoric is gonna be as president. I really hope he will accomplish something.

    (Flag burning would be illegal here too, as would leaving the flag out after sunset (ordinary flags, some types are allowed), but I've never heard of anyone getting convicted of mishandling the flag. I would say freedom of speech is more important, though flag burning is in pretty bad taste)
    Thats why i like the idea of free medical. Most people don't need to see a doctor or go to hospitals. so everyone pools their money together and its there when somebody needs it.

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    Time to make America great again. TRUMP TRAIN!
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    Swedish chef beaten by gang of Muslim men for LOOKING LIKE Trump | World | News | Daily Express

    Hmmm where did these blokes get their inspiration from? Oh thats right the perfect example of a human mr moh killed people who made fun of him. What a great example to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Swedish chef beaten by gang of Muslim men for LOOKING LIKE Trump | World | News | Daily Express

    Hmmm where did these blokes get their inspiration from? Oh thats right the perfect example of a human mr moh killed people who made fun of him. What a great example to follow.
    I get it you dont like Muslims, jeez man stop twisting the facts. Holy fvck do you sit all day in front of TV and computer and as soon as you see something against Muslims you twist it and post it here? Prophet Muhammad didnt kill anyone for making fun plus they beat someone up cause it was a look a like. stop twisting the facts and who knows even the story is even true. Stop this propaganda that you have going to show your personal hate against Muslims fvck/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Bye bye illegals!!!!

    You are unwanted and unwelcome. You have no respect for the sovereign rights of the lands that many have died for. Now fvck off
    I am not American, I don't live in America and I don't have enough knowledge to say anything about hillary Clinton or Obama's current policies. But I have a question for you -

    If a kid was brought to a country when he/she was 2yo. Now this is kid is let's say 25 yo. He/she only speaks English, only knows America. This kid has never been to whereever he is "legal". This kid was never given a choice so why should this kid be penalized?

    This kid is not white and was not given birth in America so this kid is unwanted and doesn't deserve respect? Do you really feel this way?

    PS: By no means I am saying America needs to keep illegal immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniqueusername View Post
    I am not American, I don't live in America and I don't have enough knowledge to say anything about hillary Clinton or Obama's current policies. But I have a question for you -

    If a kid was brought to a country when he/she was 2yo. Now this is kid is let's say 25 yo. He/she only speaks English, only knows America. This kid has never been to whereever he is "legal". This kid was never given a choice so why should this kid be penalized?

    This kid is not white and was not given birth in America so this kid is unwanted and doesn't deserve respect? Do you really feel this way?

    PS: By no means I am saying America needs to keep illegal immigrants.
    I'll chime in on this one. You are quoting Euroholic: I'm not real sure what the fuck his deal is, but I am damn sure that he is not from or in the USA. Don't assume that his comments reflect those of Americans.

    The topic of illegals immigrants in the US is more about what is fair to Americans. Not what is fair to someone that has entered the country illegally.

    For example:

    Is it fair for people who have entered the US illegally to receive government funded healthcare while US veterans do not?
    In Arizona, illegal aliens incurred health care costs totaling an estimated $700 million in 2009.

    In Phoenix, at least 40 veterans died waiting for VA hospitals and clinics to treat them.
    That is not fair. American Warriors should be the TOP priority.

    Same goes for employment.
    Across the country, men and women in uniform returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan have higher jobless rates than the civilian population. The unemployment rate for new veterans has spiked to its worst levels, nearing 15 percent. For veterans ages 24 and under, the jobless rate is a whopping 29.1 percent, compared to 17.6 percent nationally for the age group. (may 2014)

    Illegal immigrants come to the US seeking employment. If they had to follow the RULES, they would most likely go elsewhere.

    US citizens are ready for change. Rules need to be enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniqueusername View Post
    I am not American, I don't live in America and I don't have enough knowledge to say anything about hillary Clinton or Obama's current policies. But I have a question for you -

    If a kid was brought to a country when he/she was 2yo. Now this is kid is let's say 25 yo. He/she only speaks English, only knows America. This kid has never been to whereever he is "legal". This kid was never given a choice so why should this kid be penalized?

    This kid is not white and was not given birth in America so this kid is unwanted and doesn't deserve respect? Do you really feel this way?

    PS: By no means I am saying America needs to keep illegal immigrants.
    The narrative is that only illegal immigrants come from brown countries which is not true. Many Eastern Europeans, Pol, Belorussian, Russian and people from the caucus regions are being deported as well. They come for the same reasons
    As other migrants.

    The biggest issue with migration is that there are 350m people in the US. We cannot reasonably absorb millions of immigrants like we could in the 19th and early 20th Century. There is just not enough unskilled jobs for those without skilled professions to go around like when America was becoming an industrial giant. Mostly those that migrate from one country to another are those that cannot thrive or are oppressed in their own societies. I 100% anyone that wants to come here and better their situation or their families should be able to. But the reason why America and the American dream is attainable to anyone that wants to make it, is that we have a system that allows people a fair shake no matter who they are. That system only works if the laws are fair and applied equally for everyone, no matter who they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    The narrative is that only illegal immigrants come from brown countries which is not true. Many Eastern Europeans, Pol, Belorussian, Russian and people from the caucus regions are being deported as well. They come for the same reasons
    As other migrants.

    The biggest issue with migration is that there are 350m people in the US. We cannot reasonably absorb millions of immigrants like we could in the 19th and early 20th Century. There is just not enough unskilled jobs for those without skilled professions to go around like when America was becoming an industrial giant. Mostly those that migrate from one country to another are those that cannot thrive or are oppressed in their own societies. I 100% anyone that wants to come here and better their situation or their families should be able to. But the reason why America and the American dream is attainable to anyone that wants to make it, is that we have a system that allows people a fair shake no matter who they are. That system only works if the laws are fair and applied equally for everyone, no matter who they are.

    The rule of law is what separates us from the rest of the world.
    It's sad that it was "advertised " by other party that he want to throw all the immigrants out. What u say is absolutely correct and make sense. I am in America as skilled worker and paying taxes it shouldn't effect me. Well in theory anyway.

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    I do agree that immigration in the US has def hit some strange points - what to do about em? I have no clue


    But - If things were the way they are getting here now, I would never have gained my citizenship.


    No shit - I lived here on a expired green card for quite a few years when I was young. And - no, I am not from Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    I get it you dont like Muslims, jeez man stop twisting the facts. Holy fvck do you sit all day in front of TV and computer and as soon as you see something against Muslims you twist it and post it here? Prophet Muhammad didnt kill anyone for making fun plus they beat someone up cause it was a look a like. stop twisting the facts and who knows even the story is even true. Stop this propaganda that you have going to show your personal hate against Muslims fvck/
    I don't hate muslims i hate islam. It is a radical ideology that is not compatable with western values. There was that jewish poet that moh had killed because he was criticising him. That bloke moh had tourtured so he could reveal treasure. to Not to mention the nearly 900 jews he beheaded after the battle of

    Its your history mate. Why dont you learn about it mate everything comes from muslim sources so it is all credible.. Like i have been doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniqueusername View Post
    I am not American, I don't live in America and I don't have enough knowledge to say anything about hillary Clinton or Obama's current policies. But I have a question for you -

    If a kid was brought to a country when he/she was 2yo. Now this is kid is let's say 25 yo. He/she only speaks English, only knows America. This kid has never been to whereever he is "legal". This kid was never given a choice so why should this kid be penalized?

    This kid is not white and was not given birth in America so this kid is unwanted and doesn't deserve respect? Do you really feel this way?

    PS: By no means I am saying America needs to keep illegal immigrants.
    I am not a american but i am from a usa allied country and i am a descendent of european whites. Much the same history as the usa. People coming to a land not built up and making a country out of nothing.

    To answer your blunt question that kid is still an illegal immigrant so he does not belong. An illegal is the same as a criminal, you are a law breaker. As an illegal immigrant you show no respect for the country you are residing in. You are being arrogant by thinking you can just move on it.

    My country only has 24 million people and a high standard of living. Now directly to the north of my country are over a billion people. Many millions who would froth at the chance to move here. Which is why the government is doing what they can to keep people out. Migration needs to be slow. Weed Out the radicals and the ones who do not want to integrate. Bring in the ones who are educated and have money and will actually do good for the country.

    I live in a western country and i will do my part in keeping it a western country

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ender- View Post
    I'll chime in on this one. You are quoting Euroholic: I'm not real sure what the fuck his deal is, but I am damn sure that he is not from or in the USA. Don't assume that his comments reflect those of Americans.

    The topic of illegals immigrants in the US is more about what is fair to Americans. Not what is fair to someone that has entered the country illegally.

    For example:

    Is it fair for people who have entered the US illegally to receive government funded healthcare while US veterans do not?
    In Arizona, illegal aliens incurred health care costs totaling an estimated $700 million in 2009.

    In Phoenix, at least 40 veterans died waiting for VA hospitals and clinics to treat them.
    That is not fair. American Warriors should be the TOP priority.

    Same goes for employment.
    Across the country, men and women in uniform returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan have higher jobless rates than the civilian population. The unemployment rate for new veterans has spiked to its worst levels, nearing 15 percent. For veterans ages 24 and under, the jobless rate is a whopping 29.1 percent, compared to 17.6 percent nationally for the age group. (may 2014)

    Illegal immigrants come to the US seeking employment. If they had to follow the RULES, they would most likely go elsewhere.

    US citizens are ready for change. Rules need to be enforced.
    What do you mean " what his deal is" and "reflect those of americans"

    I have been to the usa several times and i can say that americans do care about border security.

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    https://youtu.be/1VQaoWbq4vU
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    You have to watch. This is the epitome of what is destroying our country and the West as a whole.


    https://youtu.be/1VQaoWbq4vU
    You know the scariest part? He said he was becoming a teacher. So god help the next generation.

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    "To answer your blunt question that kid is still an illegal immigrant so he does not belong. An illegal is the same as a criminal, you are a law breaker. As an illegal immigrant you show no respect for the country you are residing in. You are being arrogant by thinking you can just move on it"

    Very scary attitude bro. What about human rights? As a developed nation, there are some responsibilities. As one of the leaders of the world, there are some examples that need to be set.

    I completely understand America has a lot of problems and giving rights to illegal immigrants shouldn't even be on the list. However, these kids were never given any options - they didn't have a choice to learn English or Spanish, whether to stay in America or Mexico, whether to get a work VISA or not. Nothing!

    I am not a policy maker so I can't comment on what can be done, i dont know whether DACA is good or not, but radical behavior of calling 2 yo kids illegal, lawbreakers, criminal etc is disheartening imo.

    What you are suggesting is basically "dump" these kids back into mexico and let them die.

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    I absolutely agree with everyone how illegal immigration affects the economy. I have been to several destituted neighborhoods in America so I really understand the problem.

    I don't support illegal immigrants at all. My comments were more on human rights issues. Again, I am not saying these kids should get rights in the US. All I am saying is as a nation, you can't dump these kids and let them die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniqueusername View Post
    "To answer your blunt question that kid is still an illegal immigrant so he does not belong. An illegal is the same as a criminal, you are a law breaker. As an illegal immigrant you show no respect for the country you are residing in. You are being arrogant by thinking you can just move on it"

    Very scary attitude bro. What about human rights? As a developed nation, there are some responsibilities. As one of the leaders of the world, there are some examples that need to be set.

    I completely understand America has a lot of problems and giving rights to illegal immigrants shouldn't even be on the list. However, these kids were never given any options - they didn't have a choice to learn English or Spanish, whether to stay in America or Mexico, whether to get a work VISA or not. Nothing!

    I am not a policy maker so I can't comment on what can be done, i dont know whether DACA is good or not, but radical behavior of calling 2 yo kids illegal, lawbreakers, criminal etc is disheartening imo.

    What you are suggesting is basically "dump" these kids back into mexico and let them die.
    The american people have a right to defend their borders that is their human right. Someone who crossers those borders with out a visa is a criminal. You could even say they are a foreign spy. The world is not a perfect place and you cant help everyone. The american governments primary role should be to aid in the betterment of the american people. Then their allies and friendly nations etc etc. the poor people of the world are not the problem of the american taxpayer. Shit countries of the world need to grow up and work on making their countries better The tail does not wag the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post

    The american people have a right to defend their borders that is their human right. Someone who crossers those borders with out a visa is a criminal. You could even say they are a foreign spy. The world is not a perfect place and you cant help everyone. The american governments primary role should be to aid in the betterment of the american people. Then their allies and friendly nations etc etc. the poor people of the world are not the problem of the american taxpayer. Shit countries of the world need to grow up and work on making their countries better The tail does not wag the dog.
    Wow!!!!!!!!

    I will not argue with you. But I am very happy you are not in my country.

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    Wow!!!!!!!!

    I will not argue with you. But I am very happy you are not in my country.
    We wre not arguing we are just having a discussion, like civilised people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    I don't hate muslims i hate islam. It is a radical ideology that is not compatable with western values. There was that jewish poet that moh had killed because he was criticising him. That bloke moh had tourtured so he could reveal treasure. to Not to mention the nearly 900 jews he beheaded after the battle of

    Its your history mate. Why dont you learn about it mate everything comes from muslim sources so it is all credible.. Like i have been doing.
    Who died and made you the expert the so called history you are reading is written by some lunatic with twisted facts, just like radical Muslim twisting Islam to justify what are they doing. You are doing somewhat same. Selective reading to blame everything to Islam. Not comparable with western world huh? Who was the first scientist that started the modern science in western countries? Hitler killed more Jews then Prophet Muhammad ever "ordered" to be killed. You know what there is no use trying to argue with you and you can believe whatever twisted stories you read and believe and whatever u read on internet is correct right? You are not the first one to bash Islam on twisted history that some one wrote and u won't be last. So I m not going to engage with argument with you, ppl like you don't last here long so I am going to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    What do you mean " what his deal is" and "reflect those of americans"

    I have been to the usa several times and i can say that americans do care about border security.
    I mean: Your political and religious posts imply that you are speaking for Americans. Since you seem to feel so strongly about this subject: Your nationality could easily be misunderstood to be American. I was calling attention to this for other readers.

    You're French right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calgarian View Post
    Who died and made you the expert the so called history you are reading is written by some lunatic with twisted facts, just like radical Muslim twisting Islam to justify what are they doing. You are doing somewhat same. Selective reading to blame everything to Islam. Not comparable with western world huh? Who was the first scientist that started the modern science in western countries? Hitler killed more Jews then Prophet Muhammad ever "ordered" to be killed. You know what there is no use trying to argue with you and you can believe whatever twisted stories you read and believe and whatever u read on internet is correct right? You are not the first one to bash Islam on twisted history that some one wrote and u won't be last. So I m not going to engage with argument with you, ppl like you don't last here long so I am going to let it go.
    Mate One would hope a so called prophet of god would have killed less people then a dictator. Im not arguing mate im having a civil discussion as civilised people are capable of doing. Correct? Being in the west we should be able to discuss topics. Everything is from your haddith and your sunah. Trustworthy muslim sources. Especially "al bukhari" the most trustworthy of them all.

    You know as well as i do a follower of islam believes moh is the last of the prophets because the bible had been corupted and he is the example of the perfect man And a great example to live ones life by.

    Just think for a minute here mate please. Do you not find it strange that a muslim is only allowed 4 wifes but moh was allowed unlimited? Do you not find it strange that it would be revealed to moh that his adopted son should divorce his wife so moh could marry her. And she just so happend to be stunningly good looking.Does that sound like a phophet or a bloke looking for lust?

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    "The Prophet used to recite the Quran with his head in my lap while I used to be in my periods (having menses)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ender- View Post
    I mean: Your political and religious posts imply that you are speaking for Americans. Since you seem to feel so strongly about this subject: Your nationality could easily be misunderstood to be American. I was calling attention to this for other readers.

    You're French right?
    Im australian and i do feel strongly about national security and illegal. We are a tiny(population wise) western democracy at the bottom of the world with over a billion non western people to our north. We have only 24 million people and Our nearest neighbour has 200million muslims. If just 10% of those are true followers of islam and follow the teachings of moh then we are in for a big struggle.

    Lets not forget that islam believes in abrogation. So when there is a contradiction in the quran whatever was revealed last is the one to be followed. Which no suprise when moh was in mecca and had very few followers he was all about peace and later on when he moved to medina and he amassed a biger army and more followers the verses become more "aggressive in nature and they aborogate the verses before them.

    Which makes sense if you look at islam in the majority of western countries. They are to small to threaten us so they claim to be peaceful just like moh did when he was in mecca but as their population grows they will become more and more undermining and demanding and as they grow into the majority they will follow the example of moh when he left medina for mecca and try to spread their ideology. This happend in Lebanon and is starting to happen in France which is starting to have a population big enough to start demanding and harrasing the local french.

    The problem is most muslims are not true followers of islam they just identify with islam because that is how they where raised. They are just westernised people who take the bits they like and do that. But true islam is about submitting yourself to gods will and the last things reveled from moh were not good indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Mate One would hope a so called prophet of god would have killed less people then a dictator. Im not arguing mate im having a civil discussion as civilised people are capable of doing. Correct? Being in the west we should be able to discuss topics. Everything is from your haddith and your sunah. Trustworthy muslim sources. Especially "al bukhari" the most trustworthy of them all.

    You know as well as i do a follower of islam believes moh is the last of the prophets because the bible had been corupted and he is the example of the perfect man And a great example to live ones life by.

    Just think for a minute here mate please. Do you not find it strange that a muslim is only allowed 4 wifes but moh was allowed unlimited? Do you not find it strange that it would be revealed to moh that his adopted son should divorce his wife so moh could marry her. And she just so happend to be stunningly good looking.Does that sound like a phophet or a bloke looking for lust?

    al bukhari
    Book 93, Number 639:
    Narrated Aisha

    "The Prophet used to recite the Quran with his head in my lap while I used to be in my periods (having menses)."
    This is the last response I am going to give simply because what u think you know is not directed by knowledge it's directed by hating Islam. Whatever u read u will twist it. So here it goes, the reason Muslims allowed 4 wives at one point is because Prophet Muhammad had 4wives at any given time never more then that. So if I have 4 wives and one of them died then I can marry another one to make it 4. I don't know why I want to do it but that's what I am allowed to. The last quote u mentioned from Al Bukhara is simply stating the fact that you can listen to holy book even when women are on their periods. Why is that is a long story and I am pretty sure I cant explain it and do justice. Look I am not a great follower of Islam but it's being going on in media news movies and now this place that I call my other home. It is getting annoying to read on here as well and hence I stopped coming here for a long time. But you are trying to be civil so I gave you the answer best of my knowledge. If u want specific answer there are other members if not PM ME the question and I will ask Imam and let u know.
    I was raised with greatest respect to all the religions never hating anyone's religious beliefs nor I have ever said anything on here or anywhere about any religion and have lot of respect to all the religion. It's just that I m tired of hearing USA IS BAD or Islam is bad. Yeah I agree some government policies could be wrong but that doesn't make all the Americans bad. Yeah there are some a holes they call themselves Muslims and send kids to bomb other ppl. That doesn't make it right or all the followers of that religion bad.

    I been on this great forum for 10 years and I bet that the news of me being Muslim will be surprise to even vets on here simply because I never said anything before.
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