Terror attack - Manchester UK

[Obs]

They all stem from the same root and are mostly the same.

I can also add religious war is endemic in Abrahamic religious, no one other ever set up a war in name of God.

BTW, there seem to be much more Christians than I'm comfortable with here.

There is a door, dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out my child, bless your heart.

[hollowedzeus]

They all stem from the same root and are mostly the same.

I can also add religious war is endemic in Abrahamic religious, no one other ever set up a war in name of God.

BTW, there seem to be much more Christians than I'm comfortable with here.

If religion brings goodness to your life then i say its a good thing. I dont want to presume so much but by the way sicko speaks it seems as though he would still be in his old ways that he sees himself as a lesser self. If religion is what made him jump to a more moral self then i see no issue.

Despite me not advocating religion at all lol. It gives me nothing whatsoever which is perhaps why i feel this way

[bass]

Whats the answer? what would you suggest to STOP this barbaric action around the world?

well i migrated from that part of the world (hell hole), and i know them very well. they only understand one thing in this situation, violence. we got to hit them as hard as we can and put a stop to it once and for all. it sure worked in Japan! not saying nuke them (although i am not opposed to it), but go in and kill everyone one of them. but unfortunately, there is an religion that breads this type of ideology, unless that's changed we'll always have them back.

[BG]

There is a door, dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out my child, bless your heart.

x2

[hammerheart]

I couldn't agree with this more. if people actually followed and read the New Testament. They would see Jesus would and did extend his hand to all people seeking salvation. no matter if the were a hooker or a politician, rich or poor, Jew or none Jew. He did not judge only loved and understood. That's how I try to live, and sometimes I fail because I'm human. But I never stop trying to be a good person and help those in need. The lessons Jesus taught is my moral compass that guides me back onto the right course.

The second part of that is, in the Ten Commandments. Exudos 20:7 we know as: thou shalt not take the lords name in vain. In actuality In the Original texts. It says something slightly but importantly different. In that, thou shall not do something evil in the name of the lord as this is the only sin God will not forgive you for. (Paraphrased)

Most people including me for the longest time learned and understood it to mean basically. Don't say bad things about God or use gods name to say bad things about something or someone. Like saying God Damn MS, your a stupid bastard. So when I hear people say more people have been killed in the name of God. I say, People broke two commandments and in the processes committed a sin SO GRAVE that even GOD would not forgive them no matter what.

That and I also say that atheist Communist killed more people in the 20th century than had any other groups combined killed in human history prior.

"Evil" and "Good" are human and arbitrary, MS. Killing people was "good" in the mind of the attacker here.

I like the way you call out Stalinism (there was no communism in Soviet Union - only dictatorship) for killing millions and pointing out they were atheists, while you claim (not saying it isn't true) Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with religion. That's what I call a double standard.

[hammerheart]

There is a door, dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out my child, bless your heart.

x2

At least I can do so with peace of mind because the country I live in isn't bombing random ppl around the world for profit.

[MuscleScience]

"Evil" and "Good" are human and arbitrary, MS. Killing people was "good" in the mind of the attacker here.

Chopping Christian or Shiite Muslim peoples heads off because the believe differently than you is the very definition of evil and is no way arbitrary.


I like the way you call out Stalinism (there was no communism in Soviet Union - only dictatorship) for killing millions and pointing out they were atheists, while you claim (not saying it isn't true) Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with religion. That's what I call a double standard.

I'm not sure what your saying with the second statement but let me correct you about Communism. In theory and in practice communism cannot run without a dictator, those two things are directly linked. Communism is taking away from those that have more to those that have less by gunpoint. No smart citizen would vote for that.

At least I can do so with peace of mind because the country I live in isn't bombing random ppl around the world for profit.

Italy is a coalition partner in Afghanistan and they allow US and EU forces to base out of their ports and airports that directly strike targets in Syria and other places. So Italy is just as guilty as everyone else. Just going to leave you with that.

[Obs]

At least I can do so with peace of mind because the country I live in isn't bombing random ppl around the world for profit.

In the final push to defeat the Axis powers of Italy and Germany during World War II (1939-45), the U.S. and Great Britain, the leading Allied powers, planned to invade Italy.

Dont get too self righteous. The U.S. and Great Britain have done more to right this world than Italy ever has.

Christians teach forgiveness muslims teach Jihad. Christians arent stoning and acid burning women for not wearing a burka or disagreeing with our beliefs. If you want to quote history, I assure you Italy is one of the most degenerative contries in human history.
We all have flaws but the fuckers blowing themselves up dont give a shit if you are atheist or christian they want you to conform or die. I am a christian bizzaro and I would help you any way I could. Anyone in my town would go out of their way to do so. You are generalizing the wrong group. I dont curse you or cast anyone out for their disbelief. I dodnt want to post in this thread again but I feel you are getting the wrong idea. Muslims and christians/jews are enemies and have been since islam began. It will never change.
Once again the reason christians and muslims are enemies is because of Jihad, the killing of non believers of islam. They have simplified a sentence into one word, thats how much they believe in it. I dont have a word for the killing of non believers in christianity. The crusades were a total perversion of everything the new testament stands for. Those were not christians they were old testament pushing people with the same wrong idea muslims have.

I dont know what christians are like in italy but here they will give you the shirt off their back if you need it. Like any other group there are posers and bad apples. The point is christianity wants you to die a christian of a natural death, Islam wants you to conform or die. Polar opposite religions.

[GirlyGymRat]

Edit - to conclude... i dont think we require morals that religion teaches us as humans are innately good

Indoctrination starts in nursery schools. 2 yo chanting nursery rhymes to kill others who do not abide by their laws.

From a different perspective, killing is innately good.

I am not tracking to the same conclusion.

[GirlyGymRat]

They all stem from the same root and are mostly the same.

I can also add religious war is endemic in Abrahamic religious, no one other ever set up a war in name of God.

BTW, there seem to be much more Christians than I'm comfortable with here.

Ppl attempted to do a side by side comparison of Bible to Quran. The participants (at work) agreed to shut the study down after 3 weeks. (3 hours) There are great similarities and great differences. They are not identical.

Religious wars happen throughout history.

This is a BB forum. Enrollment isn't based on a religion. I'm sorry u feel uncomfortable. Suggest you not participate in posts that make you uncomfortable. Just move past them. Don't open.

[GirlyGymRat]

In the final push to defeat the Axis powers of Italy and Germany during World War II (1939-45), the U.S. and Great Britain, the leading Allied powers, planned to invade Italy.

Dont get too self righteous. The U.S. and Great Britain have done more to right this world than Italy ever has.

Christians teach forgiveness muslims teach Jihad. Christians arent stoning and acid burning women for not wearing a burka or disagreeing with our beliefs. If you want to quote history, I assure you Italy is one of the most degenerative contries in human history.
We all have flaws but the fuckers blowing themselves up dont give a shit if you are atheist or christian they want you to conform or die. I am a christian bizzaro and I would help you any way I could. Anyone in my town would go out of their way to do so. You are generalizing the wrong group. I dont curse you or cast anyone out for their disbelief. I dodnt want to post in this thread again but I feel you are getting the wrong idea. Muslims and christians/jews are enemies and have been since islam began. It will never change.
Once again the reason christians and muslims are enemies is because of Jihad, the killing of non believers of islam. They have simplified a sentence into one word, thats how much they believe in it. I dont have a word for the killing of non believers in christianity. The crusades were a total perversion of everything the new testament stands for. Those were not christians they were old testament pushing people with the same wrong idea muslims have.

I dont know what christians are like in italy but here they will give you the shirt off their back if you need it. Like any other group there are posers and bad apples. The point is christianity wants you to die a christian of a natural death, Islam wants you to conform or die. Polar opposite religions.

I am presuming u did not write this but this is a copy and paste. Do you happen to have the source?

[Obs]

I am presuming u did not write this but this is a copy and paste. Do you happen to have the source?

I wrote everything but the first sentence. The first sentence was a random grab from google.

[GirlyGymRat]

I wrote everything but the first sentence. The first sentence was a random grab from google.

That's the sentence that threw me off. Thx

[Obs]

That's the sentence that threw me off. Thx

Sorry to mislead. That sentence was to remind biz that Italy is not innocent.

[hollowedzeus]

Indoctrination starts in nursery schools. 2 yo chanting nursery rhymes to kill others who do not abide by their laws.

From a different perspective, killing is innately good.

I am not tracking to the same conclusion.

As i said, can these brainwashed children truely bw considered evil when brough up by extremists? All innate human emotion is overwritten by the violencw of their culture. The children know nothing better. Its a tricky one but the children didnt choose that life...

Definetly not saying by any means that the actions are justified and should avoid punishment later in life but most of these children never had a chance. "Get them young and they're yours forever"

Drug dealers use children in this way also

[marcus300]

There was no doubt that we all agree that its disgusting, inhuman and utter evil what is carried out around the world by terrorist but can you see how easy it is for all those people who once agreed to start bickering, fighting and arguing when you throw the world religion in the mix or something what doesn't fit into their beliefs.

No matter what our individual beliefs are regarding which ever fantasy fabricated story telling book we rule our life's with, its easy to see what the problem is by just looking at how this thread suddenly went off track when the dreaded word religion was brought into it. When we have pure evil amongst us it can disguise itself under any of our delusional fear driven beliefs because there are good and bad people in every faith and you can also rip apart everyone's so called holy books by cherry picking sections to suit your delusional state of mind no matter what side of the good/bad coin you are on.

When you look at how far we have come by science, facts and truths what can be justified by evidence than anyone of the faiths what are built in times what have no relationship in this day and age and intellect, its funny when you look from the outside in. That's why I tried to not let the thread slip into a fight of quotes from books or peoples ideology, but hey ho so what lol. When one person suffers delusion is called insanity but when many people suffer from delusion it is called religion.

If we strip away what a certain person believes in and look at his/her actions and the consequence of those action have on us as human beings in this day and age I'm sure everyone of us can agree like we did at the start that terrorism is evil and as no place in this world. I've laughed so hard at some of the posts in this thread who in my opinion are that out of touch with reality its alarming but I also understand that no matter my opinion or anyone else's to that fact we aren't going to change it when you sit down and debate fucking story books, religion or faith. How about trying to talk about how we can rid our world of these evil people who want to cause us harm because we are never going to change someone's beliefs especially when you wrap it up in the imaginary world of God. Many wars and fighting are under this umbrella which neither side can win.

[MToption2]

In the final push to defeat the Axis powers of Italy and Germany during World War II (1939-45), the U.S. and Great Britain, the leading Allied powers, planned to invade Italy.

USSR deserves most of the credit. Besides, the more I get to know eastern Europeans, the more I think Stalin was worse than Hitler. Germany never wanted war with "allied" powers. They were completely neutered after ww1 and weren't gonna tolerate it during the great global economic depression. They considered themselves equal to France, Britain, USA in terms of colonialism. Understandable.
After Germany pulled a 180 with massive deficit spending, they wanted to reclaim their lost lands (i.e. parts of prussia). There will also unsubstantiated claims of German human rights violations in Poland.

Stalin and Hitler agreed to form a pact and split up Poland. They agreed on a certain date to both invade at the same time. Stalin was clever by withholding his forces for several days with the intent of having Britain and France declare war on Germany. Only after they did, Stalin would move in to take his half of Poland. At this point, both Britain and France could not afford to go to war with USSR also....smart move. Hitler was pissed to say the least lol

But this was not enough for Stalin. He wanted more. He actually wanted to annex many of Germany's allies too. Germany wasn't going to get hustled like this anymore haha. There is a lot of supporting evidence that he was preparing to invade the rest of Europe anyway at some point..

Dont get too self righteous. The U.S. and Great Britain have done more to right this world than Italy ever has.

Let's forget the roman empire, renaissance, etc..

Christians teach forgiveness muslims teach Jihad.

Tell that to neo-nazis, kkk, ira, etc.

Polar opposite religions.

Muslims believe in Jesus Christ as a prophet of god. Prophet Muhammad was simply the next installment.
I do agree. Conservatism in the region needs to be stamped out. We need to support their secular progressives. Yes, this includes Al-Assad...for now.
This isn't just a religious issue. Geopolitics plays a big role. Iraq's Shia exclusive government needs major urgent reform otherwise militant groups will continue to exist.

Iran 1970 can happen again..

[marcus300]

Well until the day comes when the people will get so tired of the bombings and the killings they will report on their friends neighbors who are these killers.They set up in neighbor hoods and shell people knowing we wouldn't strike back beacuse of where they are.And the most important thing is when if ever these people help us we protect them and don't leave them hanging the US has a bad rep for doing that.WE DON"T FINISH WAT WE START!

Valid points

They need wiping out good and proper.

[bass]

There was no doubt that we all agree that its disgusting, inhuman and utter evil what is carried out around the world by terrorist but can you see how easy it is for all those people who once agreed to start bickering, fighting and arguing when you throw the world religion in the mix or something what doesn't fit into their beliefs.

No matter what our individual beliefs are regarding which ever fantasy fabricated story telling book we rule our life's with, its easy to see what the problem is by just looking at how this thread suddenly went off track when the dreaded word religion was brought into it. When we have pure evil amongst us it can disguise itself under any of our delusional fear driven beliefs because there are good and bad people in every faith and you can also rip apart everyone's so called holy books by cherry picking sections to suit your delusional state of mind no matter what side of the good/bad coin you are on.

When you look at how far we have come by science, facts and truths what can be justified by evidence than anyone of the faiths what are built in times what have no relationship in this day and age and intellect, its funny when you look from the outside in. That's why I tried to not let the thread slip into a fight of quotes from books or peoples ideology, but hey ho so what lol. When one person suffers delusion is called insanity but when many people suffer from delusion it is called religion.

If we strip away what a certain person believes in and look at his/her actions and the consequence of those action have on us as human beings in this day and age I'm sure everyone of us can agree like we did at the start that terrorism is evil and as no place in this world. I've laughed so hard at some of the posts in this thread who in my opinion are that out of touch with reality its alarming but I also understand that no matter my opinion or anyone else's to that fact we aren't going to change it when you sit down and debate fucking story books, religion or faith. How about trying to talk about how we can rid our world of these evil people who want to cause us harm because we are never going to change someone's beliefs especially when you wrap it up in the imaginary world of God. Many wars and fighting are under this umbrella which neither side can win.

i agree with many of your points. as a christian i can say that anyone who justifies murdering in the name of any religion or a book is a fvck face fool.

[Mooseman33]

As i said, can these brainwashed children truely bw considered evil when brough up by extremists? All innate human emotion is overwritten by the violencw of their culture. The children know nothing better. Its a tricky one but the children didnt choose that life...

Definetly not saying by any means that the actions are justified and should avoid punishment later in life but most of these children never had a chance. "Get them young and they're yours forever"

Drug dealers use children in this way also

then the children need to die.

erase generations at this point. and save me the christian thing.

[hollowedzeus]

Im not of any religion.

Me personally i couldnt kill children. But each to there own.

[Mooseman33]

i will bomb the ever loving shit out of them.

not speaking of innocent kids, we are talking about the future radicals.

The ones being taught this shit.

if they need volunteers to push button, im in.

[hollowedzeus]

A school in london got busted for teaching children sharia law and stuff of that nature. Telling them who should be excecuted.

You believe that every single one of those children should be put to the block?

[Mooseman33]

yes.

every last one.

[bass]

yes.

every last one.

its hard to grasp for many, but if you've seen the shit these people do and breed, your statement will bore understood and welcomed.

[kelkel]

Im not of any religion.

Me personally i couldnt kill children. But each to there own.

What about this one?

[hollowedzeus]

its hard to grasp for many, but if you've seen the shit these people do and breed, your statement will bore understood and welcomed.

I disagree. Going by the sort of logic that these people are killers and will kill innocents. Should governments not be held to the same account? Because im damn sure that the innocents murdered tally is exponentially higher on our side.

But thats okay, theyre the good guys

I have an unpopular opinion... i know.

But murdering children, blanket bombing/nuking a country and hating an entire group of people based on a small select group of representatives are things im not on board with. Ever.

The solution lies somewhere softer i believe but it will never be implemented.

It is entirely racist and descriminatory, however i am of the belief "fit in or fuck off".

Adapt to western culture or be removed. Also all syrain/iranian/iraqi etc... immigratio be cancelled now and forever.

I dont see isis blanket bombing cities from above do you?

Not fair, not as effective, but it could work.

A human solution. Not a genocide

[MuscleScience]

There is no easy answer here. One thing is clear though. The West can't fix the problem by toppling stable secular governments and allow chaos to fill in its wake. The Muslim world has to fix its problems in house and in its own way. The West needs to be compassionate but not stupid. Extend the hand of help if asked and draw the sword if required.

[hammerheart]

The Evil strike again it seems.

[MuscleScience]

The Evil strike again it seems.

Yep, here we go again

[hollowedzeus]

I retract all previous statements. Everyone load up...


Sick of this shit. Godbless everyone affected

[Obs]

Yeah, damn trump for his ban attempts on islamic immigration. Europe will fall to islam if they don't act now. They fucked up their country and they have come to destroy yours. Send them back or bow down to them.

[clarky.]

Aye FFS! Listen i am sick to the fucking core with these mother fucking scum shit bag mother fucker cunts. Every single fucking country should do what trump did when first in power, STOP! These cunts get them out and never mind your or there human rights fucking pish ok because when they kill they do not think about ours ffs.
Come on ppl for fuck sake wake up wake fucking up.... Kill these cunts before they take more of us simple, lets go to war with them Kill the lot..

[Obs]

Aye FFS! Listen i am sick to the fucking core with these mother fucking scum shit bag mother fucker cunts. Every single fucking country should do what trump did when first in power, STOP! These cunts get them out and never mind your or there human rights fucking pish ok because when they kill they do not think about ours ffs.
Come on ppl for fuck sake wake up wake fucking up.... Kill these cunts before they take more of us simple, lets go to war with them Kill the lot..

Hell yes. I am aware scotland and finland have some fine snipers, we could all walk on these camel fuckers. We cannot occupy and police but we can sure as fuck wipe their disgusting asses off the earth.

[clarky.]

Hell yes. I am aware scotland and finland have some fine snipers, we could all walk on these camel fuckers. We cannot occupy and police but we can sure as fuck wipe their disgusting asses off the earth.

Obs, i am sure your like me and a lot off ppl on this earth. If i could say what i wanted i would be banned.

[hammerheart]

It's sad indeed to see the UK going from ruling half of the world to not being able to hold the streets of its own Capital in less than a century.

[hammerheart]

Hell yes. I am aware scotland and finland have some fine snipers, we could all walk on these camel fuckers. We cannot occupy and police but we can sure as fuck wipe their disgusting asses off the earth.

Snipers? I dreamed of being one as a kid. Maybe I should live up to the dream...

[clarky.]

[MuscleScience]

A terror incident? Like someone happened to incidentally cause terrorism?!?

[clarky.]

Snipers? I dreamed of being one as a kid. Maybe I should live up to the dream...

Aye you could try, and slaughter the dirty retarded cunts. See, i can't get going on this crap.