Steroid guru's biggest steroid regret

[GearHeaded]

I recently heard a fairly big name steroid guru (strength and bodybuilding coach) answer the question "what is your biggest regret when it comes to steroid use " .

I was surprised by his answer, as its not a political correct answer in any way and was 100% sincere and honest imo.

he answered "my biggest regret is that I did not run more AAS and higher dosages at an earlier age .. I started off way to conservative and believe that hindered my potential performance later on in life compared to what it could have been had I ran more gear from the start"

this is coming from a guru with a high level degree that really understands his stuff when it comes to the biology, chemistry, and pharmacology of AAS. so I think his statement says a lot about his view on how AAS actually works.
I've said on this forum before that if you took identical twins that trained the same etc.. but that twin B took drugs earlier on and at high enough dosages, and twin A did not take drugs until later in life, that twin B would ultimately be more jacked.

so its interesting to see someone that has competed at the highest levels and coaches at the highest level say he would go back in time to his young self and run higher amounts of gear so he could perform better all throughout his career


note: I'm not into calling people out publicly. So I'll leave this 'gurus' name out, as thats not the point. but he is fairly popular, travels the world doing seminars, has a world class competitive background, and coaches various high level athletes

[Obs]

I would not have to be hard on myself like I am if I hadnt stopped at 23.

I asked my old neighbor about his regrets on joining army in ww2.

He said, "I wish I had killed more of those slant eyed mfers."

[kelkel]

Not hard to believe at all.

[Proximal]

Curious GH, what age would be optimal to start; before full maturity has been reached?

[Obs]

Curious GH, what age would be optimal to start; before full maturity has been reached?

What are your goals would be the question.
Does the individual have enough love and conviction for the sport to determine at 18 years old that this is what they wish to do with their life?
Do they want to becthe biggest and best possible?
Do they have a habit of not finishing thing or half effort?

My opinion of course.
If its a weekend warrior or someone just wanting to look good I suggest steering entirely clear of AAS.

There is a kid at the gym that is 18 and all natty but his parents put him on a set diet at 12 because it was what he wanted and they were fitness folks.
Honestly he looks good enough and has no desire to be a competitive bodybuilder so why would he want to bother?

On the other end of the spectrum most his age and younger are simply interested at the time but life will take away their interest as responsibility increases.

Most pros started pre 25.
I started younger but loved it enough I couldnt stay away. As soon as I got the opportunity to go back after bad decisions regarding what I wanted out of life I started focusing on allowing bodybuliding to be fully integrated into my life.

I wish I had never stopped but the circumstances I was in for 8 years simply would not have allowed for it. If I could go back I would have kept my nose to the grindstone and told my ex wife to get screwed.
I believe it is a marriage with AAS on a serious bodybuilding level. Though a marriage can have much more devastating effects. Worst that can happen if you lose interest with AAS and bodybuilding done properly is you get stuck on trt which isnt bad. The rest is health factors not as deadly as my ex wife.

[Proximal]

What are your goals would be the question.
Does the individual have enough love and conviction for the sport to determine at 18 years old that this is what they wish to do with their life?
Do they want to becthe biggest and best possible?
Do they have a habit of not finishing thing or half effort?

My opinion of course.
If its a weekend warrior or someone just wanting to look good I suggest steering entirely clear of AAS.

There is a kid at the gym that is 18 and all natty but his parents put him on a set diet at 12 because it was what he wanted and they were fitness folks.
Honestly he looks good enough and has no desire to be a competitive bodybuilder so why would he want to bother?

On the other end of the spectrum most his age and younger are simply interested at the time but life will take away their interest as responsibility increases.

Most pros started pre 25.
I started younger but loved it enough I couldnt stay away. As soon as I got the opportunity to go back after bad decisions regarding what I wanted out of life I started focusing on allowing bodybuliding to be fully integrated into my life.

I wish I had never stopped but the circumstances I was in for 8 years simply would not have allowed for it. If I could go back I would have kept my nose to the grindstone and told my ex wife to get screwed.
I believe it is a marriage with AAS on a serious bodybuilding level. Though a marriage can have much more devastating effects. Worst that can happen if you lose interest with AAS and bodybuilding done properly is you get stuck on trt which isnt bad. The rest is health factors not as deadly as my ex wife.

I respect what you are saying Obs, but that wasn't where I was coming from.

I meant if theoretically you over-stimulate a body that hasn't reached full maturity with AAS, if that somehow will un-tap some hidden muscle potential. Kind of like hgh being given to a child therapeutically if they are too short. You can "artificially" get that height back. I wonder if the same thing is possible with muscle.

[Obs]

I respect what you are saying Obs, but that wasn't where I was coming from.

I meant if theoretically you over-stimulate a body that hasn't reached full maturity with AAS, if that somehow will un-tap some hidden muscle potential. Kind of like hgh being given to a child therapeutically if they are too short. You can "artificially" get that height back. I wonder if the same thing is possible with muscle.

Good point.
Sort of like how hgh can increase height when used on pre pubescent children.
I would suppose the growth plate argument could be viewed the opposite way.

I.e. by the time the growth plates have sealed the body has developed being accustomed to the mass?

[kelkel]

I honestly wish I'd have done more when I was younger. It would have been nice to see what progress I could have made at a young age. Hell, back then a cycle was barely more than high end TRT is now. Imagine that.

[Obs]

I honestly wish I'd have done more when I was younger. It would have been nice to see what progress I could have made at a young age. Hell, back then a cycle was barely more than high end TRT is now. Imagine that.

Back then you had to sneak out into the pasture and isolate test from a bulls testes correct?

[kelkel]

Back then you had to sneak out into the pasture and isolate test from a bulls testes correct?

Only the cooperative ones.

[Couchlockd]

I'd say as soon as you start eating whole foods would be a good time to start AAS

[GearHeaded]

I'd say as soon as you start eating whole foods would be a good time to start AAS

and on the other end of the age spectrum , when you stop eating whole foods is also a good time to start. sure you can get hooked up quite easily with an anti aging clinic at that point .

we should check with Charger and see if he's still eating whole foods or not

[BG]

I don’t agree with the higher dosages early on. I did just that and it took its toll on my body to where I can’t use anymore. Now could he have gotten further, yes I believe that but would he have the longevity, probably not. Juice is a double edged sword, damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Just depends which road your willing to travel.

[GearHeaded]

I don’t agree with the higher dosages early on. I did just that and it took its toll on my body to where I can’t use anymore. Now could he have gotten further, yes I believe that but would he have the longevity, probably not. Juice is a double edged sword, damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Just depends which road your willing to travel.

completely reasonable.. I'll just add that one of this guys points was that if he wouldn't have been so conservative early on in his life and had he ran higher doses then, that later on in his life when he was competing at a high level he would not had to of pushed the envelope so hard then with the drugs. basically saying that by going way to light early on, he had to go heavy later on in life when his health and recovery were not as optimal as they were when young.

so he still had a longevity mindset. the issue was he had to push the gear heavy when he was older. and older guys are not as resilient and bounce back and recover as well as younger guys.. so he would have chose to do the heavy stuff earlier on so he wouldn't of had to do so much later on when he was older.
basically he thinks he would have gotten a bit more of a fast track to the top while still young had he been more aggressive with the drugs younger rather then having to push hard with the drugs later on when he was older and not as resilient to the drugs and trainings negative effects.

the idea being.. well if I can push hard when my body is young and resilient and become a world record power lifter by age 26 and then retire. my chances of recovery and healing and obtaining longevity are much higher, compared to taking the slow steady approach and still seeking world records into your late 30s and having to push the drugs harder later on in life and getting your world record at say 40 when your resiliency is much less and things are much harder on you.
had he pushed things early on when his body was at an optimal time to push, he'd been better off and not had to push so hard later on when his body was not at an optimal time.

he thinks pushing the dosages early on would have extended his longevity. not the other way around

not saying I agree with that approach. just repeating his thoughts about his experience as an elite level athlete

[fiddlesticks]

This is quite the shallow age we are living in.

I knew Dallas a little bit and basically as sad as it is it isn't hard whatsoever to see the direct correlation between how hard you go in all aspects and the fame and success. He was absolute proof. In order to stand out in 2019 in this field VERY extreme measures are taken. And absolutely not just peds either.

Wbo knows what 20y from now will be like lol.

[Obs]

This is quite the shallow age we are living in.

I knew Dallas a little bit and basically as sad as it is it isn't hard whatsoever to see the direct correlation between how hard you go in all aspects and the fame and success. He was absolute proof. In order to stand out in 2019 in this field VERY extreme measures are taken. And absolutely not just peds either.

Wbo knows what 20y from now will be like lol.

I dont think its shallow.
I think its hardcore and shallow people can't touch the level of sacrifice it takes to get on that level.
Its a trade of life for being a champion, truly great,
and knowing you gave 100%.
Its a hardwired mentality that may be viewed as flawed but wth else is someone going to do with a long safe life? World is full of mediocres.

Hell I cant remember the last time I was around someone working and thought "This person is really good at their job and a skilled hard worker."

Its not shallow.
In all the good times I find myself
Longing for change
And in the bad times I fear myself
I'm off the deep end, watch as I dive in
I'll never meet the ground
Crash through the surface, where they can't hurt us
We're far from the shallow now

We are far from the shaaa haaa haaallow now.

How fitting.

[Obs]

Someone better have laughed or shook their head because that was as good as my humor gets.

[fiddlesticks]

I dont think its shallow.
I think its hardcore and shallow people can't touch the level of sacrifice it takes to get on that level.
Its a trade of life for being a champion, truly great,
and knowing you gave 100%.
Its a hardwired mentality that may be viewed as flawed but wth else is someone going to do with a long safe life? World is full of mediocres.

Hell I cant remember the last time I was around someone working and thought "This person is really good at their job and a skilled hard worker."

Its not shallow.
In all the good times I find myself
Longing for change
And in the bad times I fear myself
I'm off the deep end, watch as I dive in
I'll never meet the ground
Crash through the surface, where they can't hurt us
We're far from the shallow now

We are far from the shaaa haaa haaallow now.

How fitting.

The animal nature truly shows itself more than ever now for this sport. Literally expecting unnaturally good things. And soon this level won't even be sufficient.

[Obs]

The animal nature truly shows itself more than ever now for this sport. Literally expecting unnaturally good things.

Indeed.
They just want to see the freak that has pushed passed all limits. Thats never safe.

[fiddlesticks]

Indeed.
They just want to see the freak that has pushed passed all limits. Thats never safe.

And then more and more and more. This hardwired fantasy us earthdwellers have is gonna get us into trouble.

[Obs]

And then more and more and more. This hardwired fantasy us earthdwellers have is gonna get us into trouble.

I like it.
I be dead in 20 years
Good riddance lol
Be sure to tell my ex wife I cant fuckin stand her


"Fore he died... He made me promise to tell you...
You are a fat bag of shit and a gd leech... He said, "Tell her stay out of hell,cuz I dont need her bitchin or ugly face."

[fiddlesticks]

I like it.
I be dead in 20 years
Good riddance lol
Be sure to tell my ex wife I cant fuckin stand her


"Fore he died... He made me promise to tell you...
You are a fat bag of shit and a gd leech... He said, "Tell her stay out of hell,cuz I dont need her bitchin or ugly face."

What irony it will be if you live to 100.

[Obs]

What irony it will be if you live to 100.

Hell with that lol,
Being old like that is miserable
I will up the tren till someting happens

[fiddlesticks]

Hell with that lol,
Being old like that is miserable
I will up the tren till someting happens

lmao if you start living too long just start a daily methyltren and superdrol regimen

[Obs]

lmao if you start living too long just start a daily methyltren and superdrol regimen

Will do!

[fiddlesticks]

Will do!

don't forget to replace insulin injections with CCs instead of IUs

[Couchlockd]

I like it.
I be dead in 20 years
Good riddance lol
Be sure to tell my ex wife I cant fuckin stand her


"Fore he died... He made me promise to tell you...
You are a fat bag of shit and a gd leech... He said, "Tell her stay out of hell,cuz I dont need her bitchin or ugly face."

I promise to uphold this request.

[Obs]

I promise to uphold this request.

You are a good man.
Honor to know you!

[fiddlesticks]

Fuck being miserable and old.


Few years ago managing a grocery store lmao.. Don't recall many if any happy old dudes. Either confused or miserable.

[CA_DXB_85]

Either confused or miserable.

LMAO

[Proximal]

Worked a while in a retirement home, average age around 85.

Lots of folks in their mid-90s active, sharp as tacks & happy as clams. More than a few marriages occurred as late as 100 y.o.

Sex scandals between married couples in their 90's, 90 y.o.'s stopping elevators to f. or found making out in a stairwell.

I'm cool with your attitude & really don't take issue with it. Hell if there still is $ left for social security, you'll be benefiting others by offing yourselves sooner rather than later, lol.

[BG]

I got you and it does make sense. The young guys coming up have it a lot easier since we did the groundwork for them, I think gear use can be done much more sensibly, guys can go a lot further with a lot less because there’s so much information now. I wish I had known more, I always thought more was better when it came to juicing and with it came to heavyweights. Just seems I did everything wrong, it is what it is though. You live and learn, some harder then others

completely reasonable.. I'll just add that one of this guys points was that if he wouldn't have been so conservative early on in his life and had he ran higher doses then, that later on in his life when he was competing at a high level he would not had to of pushed the envelope so hard then with the drugs. basically saying that by going way to light early on, he had to go heavy later on in life when his health and recovery were not as optimal as they were when young.

so he still had a longevity mindset. the issue was he had to push the gear heavy when he was older. and older guys are not as resilient and bounce back and recover as well as younger guys.. so he would have chose to do the heavy stuff earlier on so he wouldn't of had to do so much later on when he was older.
basically he thinks he would have gotten a bit more of a fast track to the top while still young had he been more aggressive with the drugs younger rather then having to push hard with the drugs later on when he was older and not as resilient to the drugs and trainings negative effects.

the idea being.. well if I can push hard when my body is young and resilient and become a world record power lifter by age 26 and then retire. my chances of recovery and healing and obtaining longevity are much higher, compared to taking the slow steady approach and still seeking world records into your late 30s and having to push the drugs harder later on in life and getting your world record at say 40 when your resiliency is much less and things are much harder on you.
had he pushed things early on when his body was at an optimal time to push, he'd been better off and not had to push so hard later on when his body was not at an optimal time.

he thinks pushing the dosages early on would have extended his longevity. not the other way around

not saying I agree with that approach. just repeating his thoughts about his experience as an elite level athlete

[BG]

I like it.
I be dead in 20 years
Good riddance lol
Be sure to tell my ex wife I cant fuckin stand her


"Fore he died... He made me promise to tell you...
You are a fat bag of shit and a gd leech... He said, "Tell her stay out of hell,cuz I dont need her bitchin or ugly face."

Now that made me laugh. I would tell you to send me her number so I can tell her what you said, but I’m pretty damn sure I’ll be dead before you!

[Obs]

Worked a while in a retirement home, average age around 85.

Lots of folks in their mid-90s active, sharp as tacks & happy as clams. More than a few marriages occurred as late as 100 y.o.

Sex scandals between married couples in their 90's, 90 y.o.'s stopping elevators to f. or found making out in a stairwell.

I'm cool with your attitude & really don't take issue with it. Hell if there still is $ left for social security, you'll be benefiting others by offing yourselves sooner rather than later, lol.

I been to a retirement home too.
Two old fuckers were doped out or senile. Rest were miserable and hateful. Some would cry if you talked to them after you left.

Alzheimers and dementia are extremely common in my genes after 60.

People that do the shit I do dont live to be old.
Most people that are old retired as some office worker or puss job etc. Rarely were they self employed in a dangerous career and never were they shooting juice, pounding iron, and climbing trees eith a chainsaw.

Hope i die onmy feet. Fuck old age and dying in you sleep

[Obs]

Now that made me laugh. I would tell you to send me her number so I can tell her what you said, but I’m pretty damn sure I’ll be dead before you!

So its a race now ey!?
Game on sir! Game on!

[Proximal]

I been to a retirement home too.
Two old fuckers were doped out or senile. Rest were miserable and hateful. Some would cry if you talked to them after you left.

Alzheimers and dementia are extremely common in my genes after 60.

People that do the shit I do dont live to be old.
Most people that are old retired as some office worker or puss job etc. Rarely were they self employed in a dangerous career and never were they shooting juice, pounding iron, and climbing trees eith a chainsaw.

Hope i die onmy feet. Fuck old age and dying in you sleep

Like I said, I respect your attitude.

There are things far worse than death that I hope all of us here will avoid, but regrettably won't.

[Obs]

Like I said, I respect your attitude.

There are things far worse than death that I hope all of us here will avoid, but regrettably won't.

I aint too picky I just dont want to lose my mind and embarass myself or forget my kids or wife etc.
Wouldn't mind forgetting some stuff.

It wouldnt work like that though.
I would lose all inhibition and start telling everyone my darkest secrets in church etc...

[Obs]

When my great grandfather wasnt herding imaginary cattle, he was at church blurting stuff out.

In regards to his wife he announced to the congregation,
"That bitch is trying to fkin kill me! I am serious, she is GD crazy and she is driving me crazy!"

Oddly enough.... He was indeed crazy and died a short time later.

Coincidence?

[Capebuffalo]

When my great grandfather wasnt herding imaginary cattle, he was at church blurting stuff out.

In regards to his wife he announced to the congregation,
"That bitch is trying to fkin kill me! I am serious, she is GD crazy and she is driving me crazy!"

Oddly enough.... He was indeed crazy and died a short time later.

Coincidence?

That’s what women do drive you crazy till they kill you

[BG]

Lmao! I got quite a head start on ya!

So its a race now ey!?
Game on sir! Game on!