Govt is NOT your savior

[GearHeaded]

religious rant to follow --

the government is NOT your savior people . it cannot save you!! in fact its the monster, its the BEAST trying to get you to worship it as the savior of the world . while deceiving you on the back end..
no stimulus check , where the money was robbed from someone else to begin with , is going to save you.
don't trust this bullshit .

your neighbors , your brothers and sisters, , they are the hand of God. not false prophet beast governments... Trust in humanity itself which is the face of God. not a Beast system . your neighbor, your loved ones,, that is what moves the world . not this false prophet false savior BEAST govt

[Beetlegeuse]

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." ~Thomas Paine

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” -- probably not actually said by George Washington but it should have been

[< <Samson> >]

Ha, ha


The "State" knows best for "all"

[Chark]

Samson,

What is that image from?

[SilverBack G's]

Also wondering ?

[The road]

i believe twilight zone

[The road]

Aye TZ season 2 episode 29

"The obsolete man"

[The road]

Yeah that was probably the best episode ever of that show as far as point goes.

[< <Samson> >]

Aye TZ season 2 episode 29

"The obsolete man"

Right on the $

+I am total Burgess Merideth fan - I talk to his grand daughter every once in a while. Yeah - I’m weird, even like that

[Chark]

I would’ve guessed twilight zone but didn’t remember that scene specifically. Man, what a show. With all this free time I have good meaning to rewatch some of of my old favorites. I’m not too old but I have fond memories of watching it on daytime tv when not in school.

[< <Samson> >]

Shit, it feels like we're in the Twilight Zone rn



Most of the stuff we have seen in movies or on Tv is some sort of a spin off from Twilight Zone, it set the grounds for science fiction





I have seen prob every episode a handful of times - and, that's before the artificial break down of society began

[2jz_calgary]

These are indeed dark times. Nice to see that there are some awake minds on this forum.

[White Lotus]

I believe the kids spell it W-O-K-E now. And I think those "Woke" assholes would disagree with Gearheaded's post, and expect our govt. to hand everything to them, like, right now. Ummm, after their next bong rip.

[The road]

A man with purpose looks strange in a world of boys going with the flow.

[The road]

I have been called "hood," "woke," "niggah," and so many other thing lately I cant tell what people take of me.

All I know is that if they could read my mind they would call me "Sir."

They would also take a step back.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I have been called "hood," "woke," "niggah," and so many other thing lately I cant tell what people take of me.

All I know is that if they could read my mind they would call me "Sir."

They would also take a step back.

If people could read my mind they wouldn’t talk to me at all. I’m usually thinking of ways to hurt them that wouldn’t occur to most people lol

[< <Samson> >]

If people could read my mind they wouldn’t talk to me at all.

If people can read mine, they’d never look at me the same - and, I’m still not as bad as some

[GearHeaded]

[GearHeaded]

[C27H40O3]

Shit, it feels like we're in the Twilight Zone rn



Most of the stuff we have seen in movies or on Tv is some sort of a spin off from Twilight Zone, it set the grounds for science fiction





I have seen prob every episode a handful of times - and, that's before the artificial break down of society began

The most applicable one is the one where they are deathly afraid of criticizing the kid, or making him mad, so they are gratuitously obsequious sycophants, afraid that if they get him mad, he will banish them to the cornfield.

That is the status quo between the Republican Party and senate, and this president today. They are deathly afraid of him. It’s embarrassing to see them get all twisted into a pretzel trying to defend his words and actions.


https://youtu.be/KBqTbiFGkmo



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[< <Samson> >]

The most applicable one is the one where they are deathly afraid of criticizing the kid, or making him mad, so they are gratuitously obsequious sycophants, afraid that if they get him mad, he will banish them to the cornfield.

That is the status quo between the Republican Party and senate, and this president today. They are deathly afraid of him. It’s embarrassing to see them get all twisted into a pretzel trying to defend his words and actions.


https://youtu.be/KBqTbiFGkmo


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Oh, I remember that episode quite well.

That’s really good Billy, it’s a good day - a real good day


Why don’t you just crack something upside his head < well, here we are

[< <Samson> >]

Man, the world has to be fucked up if I’m reading through the Torah

This sounds a tad spot on:
https://www.aish.com/atr/End_of_Days.html?mobile=yes


Well, guess we’re fucked

[diesel101]

Its amazing how they put a name on a virus that has possibly been around for years and tell everyone its dangerous and suddenly everyone turns into fucking sheep and they hand over their freedom and rights.

Nobody blinks an eye about the flu but I guess the government hasn't told every to hide in their basements because of it yet.

God help us all if something extremely dangerous and very deadly would ever actually happen. I couldn't imagine what the masses would do.

[The road]

Its amazing how they put a name on a virus that has possibly been around for years and tell everyone its dangerous and suddenly everyone turns into fucking sheep and they hand over their freedom and rights.

Nobody blinks an eye about the flu but I guess the government hasn't told every to hide in their basements because of it yet.

God help us all if something extremely dangerous and very deadly would ever actually happen. I couldn't imagine what the masses would do.

Masses will die.

[C27H40O3]

At least 20 folks I know, and have seen in the last 12 months, have died from this shit since the middle of February. Not just folks I have heard of, but folks I actually see throughout the year. age range from 22 to 70. Nobody was sick prior, just living life. Asthma attacks and strokes finally got most of them. Some were overweight. The 22 year old didnt have an asthma attack since he was 5 years old. The 30 year old was in the hospital for a kidney infection and caught it from his elderly roommate they stuck in there. The 70 year old lawyer caught it from his secretary, she got over it, he didnt.

I usually got an email saying pray for the folks, then a couple of days later, they're gone.

Folks with no extraordinary issues are gone just like that.

Everyone saying its just bullshit is crazy. Everyone I know knows several folks who died from it. To make out like it is nothing and that there staying at home is pointless, is just ridiculous. Many folks would be dead if we didnt separate for awhile.

[The road]

At least 20 folks I know, and have seen in the last 12 months, have died from this shit since the middle of February. Not just folks I have heard of, but folks I actually see throughout the year. age range from 22 to 70. Nobody was sick prior, just living life. Asthma attacks and strokes finally got most of them. Some were overweight. The 22 year old didnt have an asthma attack since he was 5 years old. The 30 year old was in the hospital for a kidney infection and caught it from his elderly roommate they stuck in there. The 70 year old lawyer caught it from his secretary, she got over it, he didnt.

I usually got an email saying pray for the folks, then a couple of days later, they're gone.

Folks with no extraordinary issues are gone just like that.

Everyone saying its just bullshit is crazy. Everyone I know knows several folks who died from it. To make out like it is nothing and that there staying at home is pointless, is just ridiculous. Many folks would be dead if we didnt separate for awhile.

Please lay down some factual science prove your point. Every single thing you just said was absolute horseshit

[The road]

At least 20 folks I know, and have seen in the last 12 months, have died from this shit since the middle of February. Not just folks I have heard of, but folks I actually see throughout the year. age range from 22 to 70. Nobody was sick prior, just living life. Asthma attacks and strokes finally got most of them. Some were overweight. The 22 year old didnt have an asthma attack since he was 5 years old. The 30 year old was in the hospital for a kidney infection and caught it from his elderly roommate they stuck in there. The 70 year old lawyer caught it from his secretary, she got over it, he didnt.

I usually got an email saying pray for the folks, then a couple of days later, they're gone.

Folks with no extraordinary issues are gone just like that.

Everyone saying its just bullshit is crazy. Everyone I know knows several folks who died from it. To make out like it is nothing and that there staying at home is pointless, is just ridiculous. Many folks would be dead if we didnt separate for awhile.

There's lots of reasons for pussies like you to stay home. There are a thousand things outside your home that will kill you every day and by the way stay the fuck out of your bathroom because it's the most dangerous room of the house responsible for more deaths than all shootings combined of all causes. Yes if you stay home you might be safer and the world will be better off if you stayed home and shut your fucking mouth

[The road]

I also can't help but notice that the guy that hates Trump and claims he is Republican is trying to turn this shit into something it is not. There are still two hundred thousand Aid cases a year in the u.s. that's 200,000 more people in the US we need to keep locked away from all people

[The road]

Ah... But you will still try to find a way to blame trump for it and demand you need to stay "safe".

[C27H40O3]

Please lay down some factual science prove your point. Every single thing you just said was absolute horseshit

Whats horsehit? Get your ass out of the weight room and get out in the world. Where are you from, the back woods of Canada? Get to a place with more people than trees and see what is going on. Open your eyes and see what is happening. Locally here, they found a uhaul truck parked on the street with dripping liquid with the stench of death out of the bottom. it was rented by a funeral home to handle the overflow of bodies that couldnt fit in the refrigerator.

My post is my experience, not science. I am not a scientist. For some science, see this illustrative article from Science Magazine:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ody-brain-toes

How does coronavirus kill? Clinicians trace a ferocious rampage through the body, from brain to toes

Science’s COVID-19 reporting is supported by the Pulitzer Center.

On rounds in a 20-bed intensive care unit one recent day, physician Joshua Denson assessed two patients with seizures, many with respiratory failure and others whose kidneys were on a dangerous downhill slide. Days earlier, his rounds had been interrupted as his team tried, and failed, to resuscitate a young woman whose heart had stopped. All shared one thing, says Denson, a pulmonary and critical care physician at the Tulane University School of Medicine. “They are all COVID positive.”

As the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 surges past 2.2 million globally and deaths surpass 150,000, clinicians and pathologists are struggling to understand the damage wrought by the coronavirus as it tears through the body. They are realizing that although the lungs are ground zero, its reach can extend to many organs including the heart and blood vessels, kidneys, gut, and brain.

“[The disease] can attack almost anything in the body with devastating consequences,” says cardiologist Harlan Krumholz of Yale University and Yale-New Haven Hospital, who is leading multiple efforts to gather clinical data on COVID-19. “Its ferocity is breathtaking and humbling.”

Understanding the rampage could help the doctors on the front lines treat the fraction of infected people who become desperately and sometimes mysteriously ill. Does a dangerous, newly observed tendency to blood clotting transform some mild cases into life-threatening emergencies? Is an overzealous immune response behind the worst cases, suggesting treatment with immune-suppressing drugs could help? What explains the startlingly low blood oxygen that some physicians are reporting in patients who nonetheless are not gasping for breath? “Taking a systems approach may be beneficial as we start thinking about therapies,” says Nilam Mangalmurti, a pulmonary intensivist at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania (HUP).
What follows is a snapshot of the fast-evolving understanding of how the virus attacks cells around the body, especially in the roughly 5% of patients who become critically ill. Despite the more than 1000 papers now spilling into journals and onto preprint servers every week, a clear picture is elusive, as the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen. Without larger, prospective controlled studies that are only now being launched, scientists must pull information from small studies and case reports, often published at warp speed and not yet peer reviewed. “We need to keep a very open mind as this phenomenon goes forward,” says Nancy Reau, a liver transplant physician who has been treating COVID-19 patients at Rush University Medical Center. “We are still learning.”
The infection begins

When an infected person expels virus-laden droplets and someone else inhales them, the novel coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, enters the nose and throat. It finds a welcome home in the lining of the nose, according to a preprint from scientists at the Wellcome Sanger Institute and elsewhere. They found that cells there are rich in a cell-surface receptor called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). Throughout the body, the presence of ACE2, which normally helps regulate blood pressure, marks tissues vulnerable to infection, because the virus requires that receptor to enter a cell. Once inside, the virus hijacks the cell’s machinery, making myriad copies of itself and invading new cells.

As the virus multiplies, an infected person may shed copious amounts of it, especially during the first week or so. Symptoms may be absent at this point. Or the virus’ new victim may develop a fever, dry cough, sore throat, loss of smell and taste, or head and body aches.

If the immune system doesn’t beat back SARS-CoV-2 during this initial phase, the virus then marches down the windpipe to attack the lungs, where it can turn deadly. The thinner, distant branches of the lung’s respiratory tree end in tiny air sacs called alveoli, each lined by a single layer of cells that are also rich in ACE2 receptors.

Normally, oxygen crosses the alveoli into the capillaries, tiny blood vessels that lie beside the air sacs; the oxygen is then carried to the rest of the body. But as the immune system wars with the invader, the battle itself disrupts this healthy oxygen transfer. Front-line white blood cells release inflammatory molecules called chemokines, which in turn summon more immune cells that target and kill virus-infected cells, leaving a stew of fluid and dead cells—pus—behind. This is the underlying pathology of pneumonia, with its corresponding symptoms: coughing; fever; and rapid, shallow respiration (see graphic). Some COVID-19 patients recover, sometimes with no more support than oxygen breathed in through nasal prongs.

But others deteriorate, often quite suddenly, developing a condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). Oxygen levels in their blood plummet and they struggle ever harder to breathe. On x-rays and computed tomography scans, their lungs are riddled with white opacities where black space—air—should be. Commonly, these patients end up on ventilators. Many die. Autopsies show their alveoli became stuffed with fluid, white blood cells, mucus, and the detritus of destroyed lung cells.
An invader’s impact

In serious cases, SARS-CoV-2 lands in the lungs and can do deep damage there. But the virus, or the body’s response to it, can injure many other organs. Scientists are just beginning to probe the scope and nature of that harm. Click on organ name for more.




Some COVID-19 patients have strokes, seizures, confusion, and brain inflammation. Doctors are trying to understand which are directly caused by the virus.

Conjunctivitis, inflammation of the membrane that lines the front of the eye and inner eyelid, is more common in the sickest patients.

Some patients lose their sense of smell. Scientists speculate that the virus may move up the nose’s nerve endings and damage cells.

A cross section shows immune cells crowding an inflamed alveolus, or air sac, whose walls break down during attack by the virus, diminishing oxygen uptake. Patients cough, fevers rise, and breathing becomes labored.

The virus (teal) enters cells, likely including those lining blood vessels, by binding to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors on the cell surface. Infection can also promote blood clots, heart attacks, and cardiac inflammation.

Up to half of hospitalized patients have enzyme levels that signal a struggling liver. An immune system in overdrive and drugs given to fight the virus may be causing the damage.

Kidney damage is common in severe cases and makes death more likely. The virus may attack the kidneys directly, or kidney failure may be part of whole-body events like plummeting blood pressure.

Patient reports and biopsy data suggest the virus can infect the lower gastrointestinal tract, which is rich in ACE2 receptors. Some 20% or more of patients have diarrhea.

Some clinicians suspect the driving force in many gravely ill patients’ downhill trajectories is a disastrous overreaction of the immune system known as a “cytokine storm,” which other viral infections are known to trigger. Cytokines are chemical signaling molecules that guide a healthy immune response; but in a cytokine storm, levels of certain cytokines soar far beyond what’s needed, and immune cells start to attack healthy tissues. Blood vessels leak, blood pressure drops, clots form, and catastrophic organ failure can ensue.

Some studies have shown elevated levels of these inflammation-inducing cytokines in the blood of hospitalized COVID-19 patients. “The real morbidity and mortality of this disease is probably driven by this out of proportion inflammatory response to the virus,” says Jamie Garfield, a pulmonologist who cares for COVID-19 patients at Temple University Hospital.

But others aren’t convinced. “There seems to have been a quick move to associate COVID-19 with these hyperinflammatory states. I haven’t really seen convincing data that that is the case,” says Joseph Levitt, a pulmonary critical care physician at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

He’s also worried that efforts to dampen a cytokine response could backfire. Several drugs targeting specific cytokines are in clinical trials in COVID-19 patients. But Levitt fears those drugs may suppress the immune response that the body needs to fight off the virus. “There’s a real risk that we allow more viral replication,” Levitt says.

Meanwhile, other scientists are zeroing in on an entirely different organ system that they say is driving some patients’ rapid deterioration: the heart and blood vessels.
Striking the heart

In Brescia, Italy, a 53-year-old woman walked into the emergency room of her local hospital with all the classic symptoms of a heart attack, including telltale signs in her electrocardiogram and high levels of a blood marker suggesting damaged cardiac muscles. Further tests showed cardiac swelling and scarring, and a left ventricle—normally the powerhouse chamber of the heart—so weak that it could only pump one-third its normal amount of blood. But when doctors injected dye in the coronary arteries, looking for the blockage that signifies a heart attack, they found none. Another test revealed why: The woman had COVID-19.

How the virus attacks the heart and blood vessels is a mystery, but dozens of preprints and papers attest that such damage is common. A 25 March paper in JAMA Cardiology documented heart damage in nearly 20% of patients out of 416 hospitalized for COVID-19 in Wuhan, China. In another Wuhan study, 44% of 36 patients admitted to the ICU had arrhythmias.

The disruption seems to extend to the blood itself. Among 184 COVID-19 patients in a Dutch ICU, 38% had blood that clotted abnormally, and almost one-third already had clots, according to a 10 April paper in Thrombosis Research. Blood clots can break apart and land in the lungs, blocking vital arteries—a condition known as pulmonary embolism, which has reportedly killed COVID-19 patients. Clots from arteries can also lodge in the brain, causing stroke. Many patients have “dramatically” high levels of D-dimer, a byproduct of blood clots, says Behnood Bikdeli, a cardiovascular medicine fellow at Columbia University Medical Center.

“The more we look, the more likely it becomes that blood clots are a major player in the disease severity and mortality from COVID-19,” Bikdeli says.

Infection may also lead to blood vessel constriction. Reports are emerging of ischemia in the fingers and toes—a reduction in blood flow that can lead to swollen, painful digits and tissue death.

The more we look, the more likely it becomes that blood clots are a major player in the disease severity and mortality from COVID-19.

In the lungs, blood vessel constriction might help explain anecdotal reports of a perplexing phenomenon seen in pneumonia caused by COVID-19: Some patients have extremely low blood-oxygen levels and yet are not gasping for breath. It’s possible that at some stages of disease, the virus alters the delicate balance of hormones that help regulate blood pressure and constricts blood vessels going to the lungs. So oxygen uptake is impeded by constricted blood vessels, rather than by clogged alveoli. “One theory is that the virus affects the vascular biology and that’s why we see these really low oxygen levels,” Levitt says.

If COVID-19 targets blood vessels, that could also help explain why patients with pre-existing damage to those vessels, for example from diabetes and high blood pressure, face higher risk of serious disease. Recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data on hospitalized patients in 14 U.S. states found that about one-third had chronic lung disease—but nearly as many had diabetes, and fully half had pre-existing high blood pressure.

Mangalmurti says she has been “shocked by the fact that we don’t have a huge number of asthmatics” or patients with other respiratory diseases in HUP’s ICU. “It’s very striking to us that risk factors seem to be vascular: diabetes, obesity, age, hypertension.”

Scientists are struggling to understand exactly what causes the cardiovascular damage. The virus may directly attack the lining of the heart and blood vessels, which, like the nose and alveoli, are rich in ACE2 receptors. Or perhaps lack of oxygen, due to the chaos in the lungs, damages blood vessels. Or a cytokine storm could ravage the heart as it does other organs.

“We’re still at the beginning,” Krumholz says. “We really don’t understand who is vulnerable, why some people are affected so severely, why it comes on so rapidly … and why it is so hard [for some] to recover.”
Multiple battlefields

The worldwide fears of ventilator shortages for failing lungs have received plenty of attention. Not so a scramble for another type of equipment: dialysis machines. “If these folks are not dying of lung failure, they’re dying of renal failure,” says neurologist Jennifer Frontera of New York University’s Langone Medical Center, which has treated thousands of COVID-19 patients. Her hospital is developing a dialysis protocol with different machines to support additional patients. The need for dialysis may be because the kidneys, abundantly endowed with ACE2 receptors, present another viral target.

According to one preprint, 27% of 85 hospitalized patients in Wuhan had kidney failure. Another reported that 59% of nearly 200 hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China’s Hubei and Sichuan provinces had protein in their urine, and 44% had blood; both suggest kidney damage. Those with acute kidney injury (AKI), were more than five times as likely to die as COVID-19 patients without it, the same Chinese preprint reported.

“The lung is the primary battle zone. But a fraction of the virus possibly attacks the kidney. And as on the real battlefield, if two places are being attacked at the same time, each place gets worse,” says Hongbo Jia, a neuroscientist at the Chinese Academy of Sciences’s Suzhou Institute of Biomedical Engineering and Technology and a co-author of that study.

Viral particles were identified in electron micrographs of kidneys from autopsies in one study, suggesting a direct viral attack. But kidney injury may also be collateral damage. Ventilators boost the risk of kidney damage, as do antiviral compounds including remdesivir, which is being deployed experimentally in COVID-19 patients. Cytokine storms also can dramatically reduce blood flow to the kidney, causing often-fatal damage. And pre-existing diseases like diabetes can increase the chances of kidney injury. “There is a whole bucket of people who already have some chronic kidney disease who are at higher risk for acute kidney injury,” says Suzanne Watnick, chief medical officer at Northwest Kidney Centers.
Buffeting the brain

Another striking set of symptoms in COVID-19 patients centers on the brain and central nervous system. Frontera says neurologists are needed to assess 5% to 10% of coronavirus patients at her hospital. But she says that “is probably a gross underestimate” of the number whose brains are struggling, especially because many are sedated and on ventilators.

Frontera has seen patients with the brain inflammation encephalitis, with seizures, and with a “sympathetic storm,” a hyperreaction of the sympathetic nervous system that causes seizurelike symptoms and is most common after a traumatic brain injury. Some people with COVID-19 briefly lose consciousness. Others have strokes. Many report losing their sense of smell. And Frontera and others wonder whether in some cases, infection depresses the brain stem reflex that senses oxygen starvation. This is another explanation for anecdotal observations that some patients aren’t gasping for air, despite dangerously low blood oxygen levels.

ACE2 receptors are present in the neural cortex and brain stem, says Robert Stevens, an intensive care physician at Johns Hopkins Medicine. But it’s not known under what circumstances the virus penetrates the brain and interacts with these receptors. That said, the coronavirus behind the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic—a close cousin of today’s culprit—could infiltrate neurons and sometimes caused encephalitis. On 3 April, a case study in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, from a team in Japan, reported traces of new coronavirus in the cerebrospinal fluid of a COVID-19 patient who developed meningitis and encephalitis, suggesting it, too, can penetrate the central nervous system.

But other factors could be damaging the brain. For example, a cytokine storm could cause brain swelling, and the blood’s exaggerated tendency to clot could trigger strokes. The challenge now is to shift from conjecture to confidence, at a time when staff are focused on saving lives, and even neurologic assessments like inducing the gag reflex or transporting patients for brain scans risk spreading the virus.

Last month, Sherry Chou, a neurologist at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, began to organize a worldwide consortium that now includes 50 centers to draw neurological data from care patients already receive. The early goals are simple: Identify the prevalence of neurologic complications in hospitalized patients and document how they fare. Longer term, Chou and her colleagues hope to gather scans, lab tests, and other data to better understand the virus’ impact on the nervous system, including the brain.

Chou speculates about a possible invasion route: through the nose, then upward and through the olfactory bulb—explaining reports of a loss of smell—which connects to the brain. “It’s a nice sounding theory,” she says. “We really have to go and prove that.”

Most neurological symptoms “are reported from colleague to colleague by word of mouth,” Chou adds. “I don’t think anybody, and certainly not me, can say we’re experts.”
Reaching the gut

In early March, a 71-year-old Michigan woman returned from a Nile River cruise with bloody diarrhea, vomiting, and abdominal pain. Initially doctors suspected she had a common stomach bug, such as Salmonella. But after she developed a cough, doctors took a nasal swab and found her positive for the novel coronavirus. A stool sample positive for viral RNA, as well as signs of colon injury seen in an endoscopy, pointed to a gastrointestinal (GI) infection with the coronavirus, according to a paper posted online in The American Journal of Gastroenterology (AJG).

Her case adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting the new coronavirus, like its cousin SARS, can infect the lining of the lower digestive tract, where the crucial ACE2 receptors are abundant. Viral RNA has been found in as many as 53% of sampled patients’ stool samples. And in a paper in press at Gastroenterology, a Chinese team reported finding the virus’ protein shell in gastric, duodenal, and rectal cells in biopsies from a COVID-19 patient. “I think it probably does replicate in the gastrointestinal tract,” says Mary Estes, a virologist at Baylor College of Medicine.

Recent reports suggest up to half of patients, averaging about 20% across studies, experience diarrhea, says Brennan Spiegel of Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, co–editor-in-chief of AJG. GI symptoms aren’t on CDC’s list of COVID-19 symptoms, which could cause some COVID-19 cases to go undetected, Spiegel and others say. “If you mainly have fever and diarrhea, you won’t be tested for COVID,” says Douglas Corley of Kaiser Permanente, Northern California, co-editor of Gastroenterology.

The presence of virus in the GI tract raises the unsettling possibility that it could be passed on through feces. But it’s not yet clear whether stool contains intact, infectious virus, or only RNA and proteins. To date, “We have no evidence” that fecal transmission is important, says coronavirus expert Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa. CDC says that based on experiences with SARS and with the virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, another dangerous cousin of the new coronavirus, the risk from fecal transmission is probably low.

The intestines are not the end of the disease’s march through the body. For example, up to one-third of hospitalized patients develop conjunctivitis—pink, watery eyes—although it’s not clear that the virus directly invades the eye. Other reports suggest liver damage: More than half of COVID-19 patients hospitalized in two Chinese centers had elevated levels of enzymes indicating injury to the liver or bile ducts. But several experts told Science that direct viral invasion isn’t likely the culprit. They say other events in a failing body, like drugs or an immune system in overdrive, are more likely driving the liver damage.

This map of the devastation that COVID-19 can inflict on the body is still just a sketch. It will take years of painstaking research to sharpen the picture of its reach, and the cascade of cardiovascular and immune effects it might set in motion. As science races ahead, from probing tissues under microscopes to testing drugs on patients, the hope is for treatments more wily than the virus that has stopped the world in its tracks.

*Correction, 20 April, 12:25 p.m.: This story has been updated to correct the description of a sympathetic storm. It has also been updated to more accurately describe the geographic locations of the patients found to have protein and blood in their urine.

[GearHeaded]

^ sure , Covid is a real virus. disease happens. people die. been going on for a million years. actually makes us stronger in the long run and how our species has evolved over the years (without viruses we can't evolve)

BUT .. big government control , police state, economic and social political take overs, taking away basic human freedoms, stomping on the constitution, taking aways peoples livelihood and ability to feed themselves..
^ thats a much much much bigger and 'real' virus that will NOT help us evolve , it will destroy us. Covid will fade away.. loss of freedom from big government control will not

[C27H40O3]

I also can't help but notice that the guy that hates Trump and claims he is Republican is trying to turn this shit into something it is not. There are still two hundred thousand Aid cases a year in the u.s. that's 200,000 more people in the US we need to keep locked away from all people

You really never get out if you are shocked that there are real republicans who realize that this president is destroying the country. Or is it that you dont read much? Here are the words of a few more.

We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated

The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet.

Patriotism and the survival of our nation in the face of the crimes, corruption and corrosive nature of Donald Trump are a higher calling than mere politics. As Americans, we must stem the damage he and his followers are doing to the rule of law, the Constitution and the American character.

That’s why we are announcing the Lincoln Project, an effort to highlight our country’s story and values, and its people’s sacrifices and obligations. This effort transcends partisanship and is dedicated to nothing less than preservation of the principles that so many have fought for, on battlefields far from home and within their own communities.

This effort asks all Americans of all places, creeds and ways of life to join in the seminal task of our generation: restoring to this nation leadership and governance that respects the rule of law, recognizes the dignity of all people and defends the Constitution and American values at home and abroad.

Over these next 11 months, our efforts will be dedicated to defeating President Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box and to elect those patriots who will hold the line. We do not undertake this task lightly, nor from ideological preference. We have been, and remain, broadly conservative (or classically liberal) in our politics and outlooks. Our many policy differences with national Democrats remain, but our shared fidelity to the Constitution dictates a common effort.

The 2020 general election, by every indication, will be about persuasion, with turnout expected to be at record highs. Our efforts are aimed at persuading enough disaffected conservatives, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents in swing states and districts to help ensure a victory in the Electoral College, and congressional majorities that don’t enable or abet Mr. Trump’s violations of the Constitution, even if that means Democratic control of the Senate and an expanded Democratic majority in the House.

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The American presidency transcends the individuals who occupy the Oval Office. Their personalities become part of our national character. Their actions become our actions, for which we all share responsibility. Their willingness to act in accordance with the law and our tradition dictates how current and future leaders will act. Their commitment to order, civility and decency is reflected in American society.

Mr. Trump fails to meet the bar for this commitment. He has neither the moral compass nor the temperament to serve. His vision is limited to what immediately faces him — the problems and risks he chronically brings upon himself and for which others, from countless contractors and companies to the American people, ultimately bear the heaviest burden.

But this president’s actions are possible only with the craven acquiescence of congressional Republicans. They have done no less than abdicate their Article I responsibilities.

Indeed, national Republicans have done far worse than simply march along to Mr. Trump’s beat. Their defense of him is imbued with an ugliness, a meanness and a willingness to attack and slander those who have shed blood for our country, who have dedicated their lives and careers to its defense and its security, and whose job is to preserve the nation’s status as a beacon of hope.

Congressional Republicans have embraced and copied Mr. Trump’s cruelty and defended and even adopted his corruption. Mr. Trump and his enablers have abandoned conservatism and longstanding Republican principles and replaced them with Trumpism, an empty faith led by a bogus prophet. In a recent survey, a majority of Republican voters reported that they consider Mr. Trump a better president than Lincoln.

Mr. Trump and his fellow travelers daily undermine the proposition we as a people have a responsibility and an obligation to continually bend the arc of history toward justice. They mock our belief in America as something more meaningful than lines on a map.

Our peril far outstrips any past differences: It has arrived at our collective doorstep, and we believe there is no other choice. We sincerely hope, but are not optimistic, that some of those Republicans charged with sitting as jurors in a likely Senate impeachment trial will do likewise.

American men and women stand ready around the globe to defend us and our way of life. We must do right by them and ensure that the country for which they daily don their uniform deserves their protection and their sacrifice.

We are reminded of Dan Sickles, an incompetent 19th-century New York politician. On July 2, 1863, his blundering nearly ended the United States.

(Sickles’s greatest previous achievement had been fatally shooting his wife’s lover across the street from the White House and getting himself elected to Congress. Even his most fervent admirers could not have imagined that one day, far in the future, another incompetent New York politician, a president, would lay claim to that legacy by saying he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.)

On that day in Pennsylvania, Sickles was a major general commanding the Union Army’s III Corps at the Battle of Gettysburg, and his incompetence wrought chaos and danger. The Confederate Army took advantage, and turned the Union line. Had the rebel soldiers broken through, the continent might have been divided: free and slave, democratic and authoritarian.

Another Union general, Winfield Scott Hancock, had only minutes to reinforce the line. America, the nation, the ideal, hung in the balance. Amid the fury of battle, he found the First Minnesota Volunteers.

They charged, and many of them fell, suffering a staggeringly high casualty rate. They held the line. They saved the Union. Four months later, Lincoln stood on that field of slaughter and said, “It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We look to Lincoln as our guide and inspiration. He understood the necessity of not just saving the Union, but also of knitting the nation back together spiritually as well as politically. But those wounds can be bound up only once the threat has been defeated. So, too, will our country have to knit itself back together after the scourge of Trumpism has been overcome.

George T. Conway III is an attorney in New York. Steve Schmidt is a political strategist who worked for President George W. Bush, Senator John McCain and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. John Weaver is a Republican strategist who worked for President George H.W. Bush, Senator John McCain and Gov. John Kasich. Rick Wilson is a Republican media consultant and author of “Everything Trump Touches Dies” and the forthcoming “Running Against the Devil: A Plot to Save America From Trump and Democrats From Themselves.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/o...n-project.html

[GearHeaded]

You really never get out if you are shocked that there are real republicans who realize that this president is destroying the country. Or is it that you dont read much? Here are the words of a few more.

Yes, I admit it . Republicans too can be weak minded and fall under the spell of the Media and Hollywood and Globalist Occult thats been running and controlling and brainwashing most of society

https://www.outofshadows.org

Republicans can fall under demonic occult spells just as well as liberals

[< <Samson> >]

It’s just 2 tough to tell on where what goes

I can’t even see them getting him out, and now I’m at a point where - who’s better & how

And - wtf is what. . . I’m still talking to my neighbor who works industrial construction. He leads industrial sized projects for glass work - his input is: I have no idea why we’re building & he makes 100 per week less than someone currently on unemployment


No hazard pay, no nothing - 40 hours of hard ass work

[C27H40O3]

Trump was touting some pie in the sky infrastructure projects when he was running that would have put thousands of folks to work rebuilding our bridges and roads.

this would have been the perfect time to get it done, or at least started, when there was nobody on the roads for the last two months. did he deliver on that promise? of course not. another opportunity lost.

We got a very late start dealing with this epidemic for several reasons, all of which are his fault. He and his team totally disregarded the mock exercise during the transition, during which it was explained all the resources available to an administration to deal with such an outbreak, and the process to put those resources into use. they threw the books in the trash and slept through the exercise.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...andemic-132797

Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

Later, in 2018, he fired the unit whose responsibility was to deal with pandemics. He said that he didnt want to pay people to stand around and do nothing.

https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised

Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.” They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.




We have disease surveillance programs in place around the world. We have had that for decades. We know what is happening in other parts of the world as it is happening. Its in our own self interest to be informed about those things. We have the best intelligence service and system, better than anyone. We knew what was happening in China. He chose not to act on it, hoping that the stock market wouldnt take a shit.


He's been in the job for four years and is still blaming his predecessor. What a clown. A leader does not blame others for his failures, whether they be subordinates, his predecessor, other countries, the other political party, etc... A leader accepts responsibility, admits mistake, and learns from his experience.

Say you own a tree removal company. A customer comes to you to get some complex work done. When you screw up the job and something goes wrong, do you blame the guy you bought the business from four years ago because you do not have the right piece of equipment or training to get it done? Of course not! You would immediately prove yourself to be an asshole if you did that. You man up and fix it.

[C27H40O3]

Yes, I admit it . Republicans too can be weak minded and fall under the spell of the Media and Hollywood and Globalist Occult thats been running and controlling and brainwashing most of society

https://www.outofshadows.org

Republicans can fall under demonic occult spells just as well as liberals

Agreed, but its this hype man grifter who has them in a spell. There is no reasonable explanation for it, how so many members of the GOP have hitched their wagon to this boob. they just abandoned all sense of reason.

I like old movies, and every week i watch on youtube some movies hollywood produced for the war effort in the 1940's. There are plenty of old propaganda films meant to raise the AMerican spirit to get folks motivated to get behind the war effort.

Check out the "Why we fight" series.




What kind of folks have such a love for someone who lies to them everyday? This president lies everyday about everything, he has no credibility.

President Trump made 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...t-three-years/



If your wife lied to you about serious issues as much as this president lies to this country about important issues, would you stay married to her? If so, your self esteem issue is more serious than the problem of a lying wife.

[C27H40O3]

My city accounts for more than one quarter of all COVID deaths in the US, as of today we have more than 26,000 deaths here. How is it so unbelievable to some brothers that I know a bunch of people who died suffering from COVID symptoms?

Everyone I know knows a few folks who died from it. I just assumed everybody here did too.

If you dont personally have family or friends who died this nasty death, consider yourself to be blessed. Anyone who thinks this disease is a joke or is trivial is an uninformed asshole.

[Beetlegeuse]

“If we lose freedom here, there’s no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.”

“This idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man’s relation to man.”

“Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.”

~ Ronald Reagan

[C27H40O3]

“If we lose freedom here, there’s no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.”

“This idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man’s relation to man.”

“Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.”

~ Ronald Reagan

I concur.


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[White Lotus]

My city accounts for more than one quarter of all COVID deaths in the US, as of today we have more than 26,000 deaths here. How is it so unbelievable to some brothers that I know a bunch of people who died suffering from COVID symptoms?

Everyone I know knows a few folks who died from it. I just assumed everybody here did too.

If you dont personally have family or friends who died this nasty death, consider yourself to be blessed. Anyone who thinks this disease is a joke or is trivial is an uninformed asshole.

I agree that there is no deadly disease that's "trivial". However, neither is forcing everyone to stay home & ruining the economy.

Placing healthy people in quarantine is not only a violation of rights, it's heretofore unprecedented. The WHO broke the ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY, and the results will be far more devastating than the pandemic.