Is this irony?

[tarmyg]

As long as Biden does not stand on live TV in Finland and trash the US Intelligence services while sucking Putin's dick I am going to be able to get through the next 4-years.

[almostgone]

....and here are your way left "progressive" idiots that weren't happy under Trump and look......they aren't happy under Biden either. The man just took office yesterday and already the losers are unhappy.....same as they were with Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-bide...ortland-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-p...damage-reports

I've posted it before and I'll post it again. Watch out for the way left progressive movement. And as before, I'll point out I said progressive, not Democrats.

These people hide in the politics of both sides of the aisle and again I personally feel you have someone that coordinates their activities and keeps them riled up. The kicker is we have to ask ourselves "Who will benefit from this kind of crap?"


Edit: This isn't a response to a particular post anyone else has made. This is just me reiterating my earlier post regarding the far left progressive movement.

[almostgone]

Yep....

https://forums.steroid.com/news/6037...nate-race.html.

I may be incorrect, we'll see how this all plays out. One of my thoughts is that you have the same actor funding the riots from the left and right. Call it paranoia, conspiracy, whatever label is appropriate, but I wouldn't rule out that as a possibility.


Edit: By 'funding", I mean instigating, coordinating, promoting.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I've said it before and I've said it again...

Lock 'em up.

Trump was right about that.

Protesting is a first amendment right.
Rioting is not.

There is a difference.

[Test Monsterone]

The far right & left seem to have something in common, a mistrust of government and propensity toward anarchy. Hopefully Biden won't spend 4 years fanning the flames of the far left the way Mr. you know who did for the far right.

[Test Monsterone]

Half of these rioters just crawled out of a Chuck E Cheese ball pit and graduated to smashing windows.

[almostgone]

The far right & left seem to have something in common, a mistrust of government and propensity toward anarchy. Hopefully Biden won't spend 4 years fanning the flames of the far left the way Mr. you know who did for the far right.

Oh, AOC and the rest of the herd ...oops, I meant squad, will take care of that, just like they've been doing.

[kelkel]

I've said it before and I've said it again...

Lock 'em up.

Trump was right about that.

Protesting is a first amendment right.
Rioting is not.

There is a difference.

The far right & left seem to have something in common, a mistrust of government and propensity toward anarchy. Hopefully Biden won't spend 4 years fanning the flames of the far left the way Mr. you know who did for the far right.

Half of these rioters just crawled out of a Chuck E Cheese ball pit and graduated to smashing windows.

Oh, AOC and the rest of the herd ...oops, I meant squad, will take care of that, just like they've been doing.

Agree with all you guys. I'm off to play the lottery.

[Krb367]

I personally think they’re both just slightly different hues of piss.

Exactly. Bottle them both up, and what would be the noticeable difference? One bottle would have a green tint, the other bottle an orange tint.

I’m no where political, but I read through this entire thread because politics do interest me and I like knowledge. I land in the middle. Agree with both the left and the right as much as I disagree. Working in the oilfield, maybe a syringe tick more to the right. At the same time, the past 4 years of having a republican in office didn’t change shit. If anything, Trump’s tax reforms forced me to OWE taxes because I was unable to write any of my expenses off. But then if you make a left hand turn, fossil fuels go away to make room for cleaner green alternatives with “promises” of jobs to replace the patch. Are these energy efficient jobs going to provide us (oil field workers) with entry level jobs that start you out around $100k annually?

Until a particular party continues to hold office longer than a 4 to 8 year stretch, all we are doing is spinning our wheels. To think that your left or right personal preference, which all it is at the end of the day, is looking out for YOUR best interest, is insane. Look at how the most recent stimulus package played out. It took fucking MONTHS to finally reach a bullshit agreement. Why? Political gain. So opposing parties could point fingers as to why the country went so long without any support to help families from losing everything. Suicide rates, poverty rates, and deaths (COVID-19 or other illness is a whole different debate) skyrocketed in 2020.

All this has done is divide us even more. I overstand standing for something you believe.. but at what costs? That’s another reason I love the gym so much. It’s so gd diverse. And when I’m in there in my gym, there’s zero politics or race involved. Only argument is if someone is hogging a bench or machine because they’re talking too much or playing on their phone.

[Hughinn]

....and here are your way left "progressive" idiots that weren't happy under Trump and look......they aren't happy under Biden either. The man just took office yesterday and already the losers are unhappy.....same as they were with Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-bide...ortland-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-p...damage-reports

I've posted it before and I'll post it again. Watch out for the way left progressive movement. And as before, I'll point out I said progressive, not Democrats.

These people hide in the politics of both sides of the aisle and again I personally feel you have someone that coordinates their activities and keeps them riled up. The kicker is we have to ask ourselves "Who will benefit from this kind of crap?"


Edit: This isn't a response to a particular post anyone else has made. This is just me reiterating my earlier post regarding the far left progressive movement.

The irony of it is, the democrat party promoted , fostered and coddled these people all last summer. They encouraged it, because they thought it would help them get back into power.

Well, now they're back in power, and the progressive left want what they feel they're owed for thier help.

Now democrats have to figure out how to stiff them on thier due, squelch the rioting with force, without admitting hypocrisy, and somehow pass the blame to others, likely "white supremacist " or "far right terrorists " or some other nonsense. Maybe even the orange man. They've got the vast majority of propaganda networks to help, but its still a tall order.

I'm going to laugh. Fun times ahead.

I seen them already fawning over bidens inauguration speech at CNN. I just wonder how the press conferences will be. Like Obama's? Where i swear the press would preen and gawk so bad, I was sure if he whipped his cock out, they would fight over who got to suck it. Chanting his name after scolding a reporter for asking an unflattering question. It was nauseating.

But biden isn't all there. There's clearly something wrong. I'm not sure they can run interference for his as effective as they did obama

[wango]

The irony of it is, the democrat party promoted , fostered and coddled these people all last summer. They encouraged it, because they thought it would help them get back into power.

Well, now they're back in power, and the progressive left want what they feel they're owed for thier help.

Now democrats have to figure out how to stiff them on thier due, squelch the rioting with force, without admitting hypocrisy, and somehow pass the blame to others, likely "white supremacist " or "far right terrorists " or some other nonsense. Maybe even the orange man. They've got the vast majority of propaganda networks to help, but its still a tall order.

I'm going to laugh. Fun times ahead.

The Democrats didn’t need help getting back in power. In the summer, Trump just kept shooting himself in the foot, which was already riddled with bullet holes from his bungling of Covid.

Get your laughs in now because in a little more than two months we have the Chauvin trial.

[Hughinn]

The Democrats didn’t need help getting back in power. In the summer, Trump just kept shooting himself in the foot, which was already riddled with bullet holes from his bungling of Covid.

Get your laughs in now because in a little more than two months we have the Chauvin trial.

It'll be interesting.

If he walks, then the narrative will be "white supremacist" justice system needs changed. Amd they change it to further thier agendas

If they cook him, then another "white supremacist" got what he deserved and they continue the witch hunt for others, changing the laws and justice system so the definition of whatever they're after fits the laws they make.

I do want to ask you though Wango, can you tell me exactly how you came to the conclusion he bungled covid, and exactly what he was supposed to do differently, given the information available at the time? I'd be interested in your opinion. No wrong answers.

[Test Monsterone]

The irony of it is, the democrat party promoted , fostered and coddled these people all last summer. They encouraged it, because they thought it would help them get back into power.

Well, now they're back in power, and the progressive left want what they feel they're owed for thier help.

Now democrats have to figure out how to stiff them on thier due, squelch the rioting with force, without admitting hypocrisy, and somehow pass the blame to others, likely "white supremacist " or "far right terrorists " or some other nonsense. Maybe even the orange man. They've got the vast majority of propaganda networks to help, but its still a tall order.

I'm going to laugh. Fun times ahead.

I seen them already fawning over bidens inauguration speech at CNN. I just wonder how the press conferences will be. Like Obama's? Where i swear the press would preen and gawk so bad, I was sure if he whipped his cock out, they would fight over who got to suck it. Chanting his name after scolding a reporter for asking an unflattering question. It was nauseating.

But biden isn't all there. There's clearly something wrong. I'm not sure they can run interference for his as effective as they did obama

Have you seen Trump’s rallies lol?

[wango]

Oh, it’s going to be f’d either way. It’s going to be the Rodney king trial and OJ trial all wrapped into one.

I don’t think it was all Trump honestly, because I truly thought the approach should have been draconian from late February/early March. Ban all international travel. If you are left oversee’s, we put you up, but you ain’t coming back home, not yet. Shut down domestic travel. No flights & no trains. Lock down and quarantine everyone to determine exactly who has it. Severe? Oh hell yeah! Would people bitch? Oh hell yeah. Would we have this situation now? Not even close.


The mask “debate” was asinine and Trump made it more political by his refusal to wear one. A lot of folks followed his lead which allowed this to spread more, that is on him. Trump refused a lot of responsibility and left it to the states to deal with the crisis which in my opinion compromised the availability of PPE to front-line workers. Honestly, there is some indication now that the vaccination roll-out should have been better planned and more support given to the states.

He didn’t want everyone alarmed or worried or something to that effect and mis-informed the country about the severity of this pandemic, which led to further non mask wearing and more social contact and increased the spread. That too is on him.

Hughinn, I’m exhausted with Covid. I have too many friends on the front lines and they are pissed off. So if you wish to discuss, I will, but this is not a war that we should have lost imo.

[wango]

It'll be interesting.

If he walks, then the narrative will be "white supremacist" justice system needs changed. Amd they change it to further thier agendas

If they cook him, then another "white supremacist" got what he deserved and they continue the witch hunt for others, changing the laws and justice system so the definition of whatever they're after fits the laws they make.

I do want to ask you though Wango, can you tell me exactly how you came to the conclusion he bungled covid, and exactly what he was supposed to do differently, given the information available at the time? I'd be interested in your opinion. No wrong answers.

And btw, I don’t view Chauvin as a supremacist. He had the power and it got the better of him. It’s got to be a insanely difficult job to decide just how much power to yield and when to back off. I am super pro-police and my gripe is he just was too blatant by having his knee on the dudes neck for so long and doing it publicly. It just f’d things up so much worse for race relations in this country.

[Hughinn]

And btw, I don’t view Chauvin as a supremacist. He had the power and it got the better of him. It’s got to be a insanely difficult job to decide just how much power to yield and when to back off. I am super pro-police and my gripe is he just was too blatant by having his knee on the dudes neck for so long and doing it publicly. It just f’d things up so much worse for race relations in this country.

Well, what I seen was a bad cop, abusing his authority and killing an american citizen. Murder.

[Hughinn]

Have you seen Trump’s rallies lol?

Yeah I have.

Trump and his fans - rally.

Obama and his fans - press conference.

It was similar

[Hughinn]

Oh, it’s going to be f’d either way. It’s going to be the Rodney king trial and OJ trial all wrapped into one.

I don’t think it was all Trump honestly, because I truly thought the approach should have been draconian from late February/early March. Ban all international travel. If you are left oversee’s, we put you up, but you ain’t coming back home, not yet. Shut down domestic travel. No flights & no trains. Lock down and quarantine everyone to determine exactly who has it. Severe? Oh hell yeah! Would people bitch? Oh hell yeah. Would we have this situation now? Not even close.


The mask “debate” was asinine and Trump made it more political by his refusal to wear one. A lot of folks followed his lead which allowed this to spread more, that is on him. Trump refused a lot of responsibility and left it to the states to deal with the crisis which in my opinion compromised the availability of PPE to front-line workers. Honestly, there is some indication now that the vaccination roll-out should have been better planned and more support given to the states.

He didn’t want everyone alarmed or worried or something to that effect and mis-informed the country about the severity of this pandemic, which led to further non mask wearing and more social contact and increased the spread. That too is on him.

Hughinn, I’m exhausted with Covid. I have too many friends on the front lines and they are pissed off. So if you wish to discuss, I will, but this is not a war that we should have lost imo.

I respect that.

But, I'm not sure there was anything that could've been done to stop it, once it left china and went global.

You look at states like california and Florida. Two very different approaches, similar results.

The thing about a plague, is that they all end the same way. It comes through like a Storm and then it's gone. I'm not convinced there was anything anybody could do to stop it, any more than you could a Storm. At least not once the spread reaches a certain point. And by all accounts, it was already here way before we knew about it.

China could have stopped it. But they chose not to. And now that Trump is gone, nobody will hold them accountable.

[Gallowmere]

I respect that.

But, I'm not sure there was anything that could've been done to stop it, once it left china and went global.

You look at states like california and Florida. Two very different approaches, similar results.

The thing about a plague, is that they all end the same way. It comes through like a Storm and then it's gone. I'm not convinced there was anything anybody could do to stop it, any more than you could a Storm. At least not once the spread reaches a certain point. And by all accounts, it was already here way before we knew about it.

China could have stopped it. But they chose not to. And now that Trump is gone, nobody will hold them accountable.

How exactly would anyone “hold them accountable”? China had been doing pretty much whatever the fuck they want to for a very long time. You gonna embargo the largest exporter of various goods on the planet? That tends to not work out too well for us.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

What did Trump do to hold them accountable?
He was the President of the United States of America after all.
He sure talked about holding them accountable... not sure he actually did anything but talk though.

[Hughinn]

How exactly would anyone “hold them accountable”? China had been doing pretty much whatever the fuck they want to for a very long time. You gonna embargo the largest exporter of various goods on the planet? That tends to not work out too well for us.

What did Trump do to hold them accountable?
He was the President of the United States of America after all.
He sure talked about holding them accountable... not sure he actually did anything but talk though.

One way, was to stop paying for the pro china WHO to help them hide any fault they had.

Just for starters.

But, you're right about one thing. China gets what they want.
They didn't make the biden family rich for nothing.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Don't really see that as punishing China.
I believe Trump was using the WHO as a scapegoat.

But I understand that you think the WHO is in China's pocket.

Anything else?
It has been about a year...

[Hughinn]

Don't really see that as punishing China.
I believe Trump was using the WHO as a scapegoat.

But I understand that you think the WHO is in China's pocket.

Anything else?
It has been about a year...

I don't see China being held accountable in any way.

They've paid millions to the biden family during various dealings. And they're not the only democrat politicians with deep ties to china.

Some even porking chinese spy's.


I can't speculate as to exactly what Trump would've done. Who can?

But I can tell you biden and the DNC will certainly give them a pass.

The only thing the biden administration and the DNC will do is try to stop people from calling it the china virus, and they will make sure none of their propoganda networks speak of the maleficent handling of the pandemic by the chinese, and label any independent research stating chinese conduct as at fault as "baseless conspiracy theories"

You can bet on that.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I don't see China being held accountable in any way.

They've paid millions to the biden family during various dealings. And they're not the only democrat politicians with deep ties to china.

Some even porking chinese spy's.


I can't speculate as to exactly what Trump would've done. Who can?

But I can tell you biden and the DNC will certainly give them a pass.

Do you realize all the business Ivanka and Donald do in China?

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

Over a span of two months in late 2018, the Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Trump and his daughter. In October alone, according to the Associated Press, China’s Trademark Office granted provisional approval for 16 trademarks to Ivanka Trump Marks LLC. The new approvals covered Ivanka-branded fashion gear, including sunglasses, handbags, shoes and jewelry, as well as beauty services and voting machines. In January of 2019, China granted Ivanka’s company preliminary approval for another five trademarks covering child care centers, wedding dresses, and art valuation services. The applications were filed in 2016 and 2017.

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

So I guess it is fine for the Royal Family to do business with China but it isn't fine for the Biden family to do business in China.

Got it.

[Hughinn]

Do you realize all the business Ivanka and Donald do in China?

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

Over a span of two months in late 2018, the Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Trump and his daughter. In October alone, according to the Associated Press, China’s Trademark Office granted provisional approval for 16 trademarks to Ivanka Trump Marks LLC. The new approvals covered Ivanka-branded fashion gear, including sunglasses, handbags, shoes and jewelry, as well as beauty services and voting machines. In January of 2019, China granted Ivanka’s company preliminary approval for another five trademarks covering child care centers, wedding dresses, and art valuation services. The applications were filed in 2016 and 2017.

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

So I guess it is fine for the Royal Family to do business with China but it isn't fine for the Biden family to do business in China.

Got it.

There's a difference between selling wedding dresses and sunglasses and owning patents for products you sell.

And selling influence to the highest levels of our government

[The Deadlifting Dog]

There's a difference between selling wedding dresses and sunglasses and owning patents for products you sell.

And selling influence to the highest levels of our government

I guess you are blind to that fact that fast tracking the patents is a way of granting a favor to "the highest levels of our government".

Note: The Biden deals were done when Biden wasn't in office. The Trump deals were done when he was President of the United States.

[Hughinn]

I guess you are blind to that fact that fast tracking the patents is a way of granting a favor to "the highest levels of our government".

Note: The Biden deals were done when Biden wasn't in office. The Trump deals were done when he was President of the United States.

That's not true.

Joe and hunter flew to China on air force 2 when they sealed some of those deals.

Last time I checked, only the vice president flew on air force 2.

Joe was vice president at the time.

He was also vice president when his firm was paid millions from the mayor of moscow's widow.

Although most of press sees nothing wrong with it, nobody can figure out what the payment was for exactly, and who benefits.

But many of those deals were done while joe was vice president and in charge of foreign policy

[The Deadlifting Dog]

That's not true.

Joe and hunter flew to China on air force 2 when they sealed some of those deals.

Last time I checked, only the vice president flew on air force 2.

Joe was vice president at the time.

You may be right about that.
I have no problem saying I am wrong.
My brief google search shows 2017 which is after he left office.

But let's assume you are correct:
Then I guess Biden is guilty of the same thing as Trump.


Note: More Googling... I was wrong. In 2013, Hunter flew aboard Air Force Two with his father, who was then vice-president, on an official visit to Beijing, where the younger Biden met investment banker Jonathan Li.
Hunter told the New Yorker he just met Mr Li for "a cup of coffee", but 12 days after the trip a private equity fund, BHR Partners, was approved by the Chinese authorities. Mr Li was chief executive and Hunter was a board member. He would hold a 10% stake.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132


Wow, to think that a VP and a President would abuse their power... shocking... surely we must only blame the VP.

[Test Monsterone]

Why are you so worried about Biden and what he did in China, Hughinn, when Donald Trump was about 400 million in debt by the time he left the White House? Who do you think he was in debt to, he’s had about 7 bankruptcies here in the US. Do you really think any legit lender here gave him 400 million after all his bankruptcies? Even Deutsch Bank dropped him recently. Why do you think he fooled his followers into donating upwards of 200 million and went along with the lie until the very last minute? Can’t really call anyone out on anything when the guy you support is Trump. He’s the ultimate con artist and corrupt businessman/political figure. He’s going down as that. And here you are talking about Biden. Do you always root for the villains in movies?

[Hughinn]

You may be right about that.
I have no problem saying I am wrong.
My brief google search shows 2017 which is after he left office.

But let's assume you are correct:
Then I guess Biden is guilty of the same thing as Trump.


Note: More Googling... I was wrong. In 2013, Hunter flew aboard Air Force Two with his father, who was then vice-president, on an official visit to Beijing, where the younger Biden met investment banker Jonathan Li.
Hunter told the New Yorker he just met Mr Li for "a cup of coffee", but 12 days after the trip a private equity fund, BHR Partners, was approved by the Chinese authorities. Mr Li was chief executive and Hunter was a board member. He would hold a 10% stake.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132


Wow, to think that a VP and a President would abuse their power... shocking... surely we must only blame the VP.

Well, we spend the past four years of our media crawling up the ass of every member of the Trump family with microscope.

For myself, it'd go along way for me just to see that treatment go both ways.

I hope for that. But, I know better.

Most american citizens had no idea of that stuff. And that it was intentionally and maliciously withheld. And that's what's the most unfortunate

Why are you so worried about Biden and what he did in China, Hughinn, when Donald Trump was about 400 million in debt by the time he left the White House? Who do you think he was in debt to, he’s had about 7 bankruptcies here in the US. Do you really think any legit lender here gave him 400 million after all his bankruptcies? Even Deutsch Bank dropped him recently. Why do you think he fooled his followers into donating upwards of 200 million and went along with the lie until the very last minute? Can’t really call anyone out on anything when the guy you support is Trump. He’s the ultimate con artist and corrupt businessman/political figure. He’s going down as that. And here you are talking about Biden. Do you always root for the villains in movies?

Lol. No test. I don't always go for the villain. But to be fair, the label of villain and hero are entirely depending upon perspective.

[tarmyg]

One way, was to stop paying for the pro china WHO to help them hide any fault they had.

Feel free to post any proof is this statement. I'll hold my breath!

[Hughinn]

Feel free to post any proof is this statement. I'll hold my breath!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...on-11586122093

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/609820/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....anization/amp/


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02...th-soft-power/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...virus.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw....who/a-53161220

Not exactly a secret.

[tarmyg]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...on-11586122093

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/609820/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....anization/amp/


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/02...th-soft-power/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...virus.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw....who/a-53161220

Not exactly a secret.

This is a serious reply? It's a genuine question.

[Hughinn]

This is a serious reply? It's a genuine question.

Yes it's a serious reply. You asked for a source/proof, and I provided several.

I can easily double the sources it you want. Even faucci has stated the Chinese lied.

It's no secret.


The who knew about it all and kept quiet as well.

[kelkel]

The who knew about it all and kept quiet as well.

I still have trouble believing that Roger Daltry was in on it all this time.....

[almostgone]

I still have trouble believing that Roger Daltry was in on it all this time.....

Especially after seeing the movie Tommy...

[wango]

I still have trouble believing that Roger Daltry was in on it all this time.....

Well he was blind, deaf & dumb. But you know, he did play a mean . . . .

[tarmyg]

I still have trouble believing that Roger Daltry was in on it all this time.....

Guess you Won't Get Fooled Again

[Krb367]

Irrelevant, but fun (disputable) fact IMO

Led Zeppelin got their name from The Who. I don’t remember exact details, but it was said in a conversation that they (LZ) would go down like a lead zeppelin. It all started as a joke, and spelt Led to avoid being pronounced incorrectly. Fast forward to the artwork of their first album cover of a crashing zeppelin on fire.

Don’t quote me

[XnavyHMCS]

Well he was blind, deaf & dumb. But you know, he did play a mean . . . .

"... that deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure played a mean pinball..."

There Brother Blues, I fixed it for you.