What Europeans think of American healthcare

[Hughinn]

The #1 problem with the United States of America is that a continent became a country.

The USA is just too big. One leader should not have the power to pardon people over such a great land area and population. You should split into 6 countries: Northeast, Southwest, West, Southeast, Midwest, Texas.

After you've split into 6 independent countries you should have a free trade agreement, and a agreement on criminal extradition.

The military should be split 6 ways too -- but with an agreement to team up against the baddies if one country goes to war -- similar to the European Allies.

after the USA has split into 6 independent countries you might be able to start solving problems. Of course Texas will keep all its guns legal but maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out.

I live in Texas, and Texas has wanted just what your suggesting for many years.

Now we have Texas taxpayers money going to bsl out new york and california.

Many here feel balkanization is inevitable.

Nobody in Texas is happy about it. And most texans are fed up with the federal government and other states involving themselves in Texas politics.

The DNC spent record money to gain seats in the texas congress. Ads everywhere, totally bombarded for months with DNC propoganda. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent. All the propaganda networks saying texas would flip
They did not gain one single seat.

The DNC spent the most money ever spent in a senate race to unseat ted cruz. Outspent him 3 to 1 and lost.

Kamala harris and biden tour bus got "escorted" out of the state. Cancelled the tour.

Texas is red.

[Mooseman33]

Do you think Medicare and social security are failures? - all the smart politicians say they will be bankrupt soon. i dont believe it but they both should be much better.
Is our military a failure? - on so many levels yes, and on others it is not.
Are our schools a failure? - completely. from grade level to college. how much debt are we erasing?
Our highways and bridges and tunnels are all failures? - falling down around us. some states look like third world countries the roads are so bad.
Our postal service is a failure? - cmon man, we already been down this road.

I always pegged you as pro-police. - yes I am, my nephew/godson is a officer. I 100% stand with the Blue.
I guess the policeforce is a failure too. - justice system is the failure, the police are not. the overtime and how they get paid is a failure.

Fuck, at this rate... why have a governement at all.

- now we may be on to something...lol

pretty much everything u posted is a failure. there are different levels of failure. each one u mentioned should be financial reworked.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I live in Texas, and Texas has wanted just what your suggesting for many years.

Now we have Texas taxpayers money going to bsl out new york and california.

Many here feel balkanization is inevitable.

Nobody in Texas is happy about it. And most texans are fed up with the federal government and other states involving themselves in Texas politics.

The DNC spent record money to gain seats in the texas congress. Ads everywhere, totally bombarded for months with DNC propoganda. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent. All the propaganda networks saying texas would flip
Theyy did not gain one single seat.

Texas receives the 2nd most amount of funding from the federal government.

We'd save money if you guys left.

Would y'all lookey here!!!!

Texas gets more money than those damn Yankees.



The ten states with the highest total federal funding are:

California ($43.61 billion)
Texas ($26.90 billion)
Florida ($23.77 billion)
New York ($22.06 billion)
Virginia ($17.68 billion)
Pennsylvania ($15.58 billion)
Illinois ($13.18 billion)
Ohio ($12.57 billion)
North Carolina ($11.31 billion)
Michigan ($10.84 billion)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...l-aid-by-state

Side note:
I don't see NJ on this list. I am so sicked and tired of sending my money to bail out Texas.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Here's a different (better) way of looking at it.

Here is a list of the top ten best states in regards to net taxes.
Taxes paid to the fed minus benefits received from the fed.

The ten states with the lowest net federal funding per resident are:

New Jersey (-$2,368)
Massachusetts (-$2,343)
New York (-$1,792)
North Dakota (-$720)
Illinois (-$364)
New Hampshire (-$234)
Washington (-$184)
Nebraska (-$164)
Colorado (-$95)
California ($12)

Thus the federal government makes make of off only 9 states.
It practically breaks even on California.

Please note the top three most fiscally beneficial to our nation are solidly blue.

You can believe whatever your media feeds you or you can research the truth.

My state for the win.
My birthstate is #2.
And the damn Yankees are #3.

If your state is not in the top 9 above then your state receives welfare from the federal government.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...l-aid-by-state

Virginia is the worst offender.
For each resident of Virginia the state receives over $10,000 in federal aid.

[Hughinn]

I don't know why you got to have a snide tone all the time bud. But anyway

Texans sent the federal government $261 billion in taxes in 2016, and the state government received $39.5 billion in grants in return, or about 15 percent of our total federal tax tab. Those grants were the state's second-largest revenue source, providing more than a third of its net revenue in that year.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/econom...al-funding.php


Texas doesn't need the fed to get along fine.

It may get money back. But it pays more into washington than washington send back.


https://thetexan.news/texas-ranks-29...deral-funding/
Stop spreading that narrative please. It isn't true

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I don't know why you got to have a snide tone all the time bud. But anyway

Texans sent the federal government $261 billion in taxes in 2016, and the state government received $39.5 billion in grants in return, or about 15 percent of our total federal tax tab. Those grants were the state's second-largest revenue source, providing more than a third of its net revenue in that year.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/econom...al-funding.php


Texas doesn't need the fed to get along fine.

Stop spreading that narrative please. It isn't true

You are only looking at grants to the state.

You need to look at grants to the people also.

Texas is set to receive $269 billion in 2021.


When money flows back out of the federal government as federal spending, it's through four channels: The first and largest is direct payments to individuals through programs such as Social Security and Medicare. The second largest are grants to state and local governments to fund programs such as Medicaid, highway spending, education, and other social safety net programs. The final two are contracts and federal wages, which are distributed more heavily to areas where the federal government is a major employer.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...%22getters.%22

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Here's another list from 2019...

Only 9 states didn't receive net benefits from the government.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ment/39202299/


40. California

• Net federal funding: $12 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $436.1 billion (the most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.9 percent (tied - 12th lowest)

• Median household income: $71,805 (8th highest)

41. Colorado

• Net federal funding: -$95 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $57.5 billion (24th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 7.6 percent (5th lowest)

• Median household income: $69,117 (11th highest)

42. Nebraska

• Net federal funding: -$164 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $17.7 billion (12th least)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.3 percent (9th lowest)

• Median household income: $59,970 (21st highest)

43. Washington

• Net federal funding: -$184 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $80.5 billion (15th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 12.3 percent (tied - 19th highest)

• Median household income: $70,979 (10th highest)

44. New Hampshire

• Net federal funding: -$234 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $15.0 billion (9th least)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 7.0 percent (4th lowest)

• Median household income: $73,381 (6th highest)

45. Illinois

• Net federal funding: -$364 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $131.8 billion (7th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 12.9 percent (tied - 15th highest)

• Median household income: $62,992 (16th highest)

46. North Dakota

• Net federal funding: -$720 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $7.9 billion (2nd least)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 6.3 percent (tied - the lowest)

• Median household income: $61,843 (18th highest)

47. New York

• Net federal funding: -$1,792 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $220.6 billion (4th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 14.8 percent (7th highest)

• Median household income: $64,894 (14th highest)

48. Massachusetts

• Net federal funding: -$2,343 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $78.7 billion (16th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 11.7 percent (25th lowest)

• Median household income: $77,385 (4th highest)

49. New Jersey

• Net federal funding: -$2,368 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $97.7 billion (13th most)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.9 percent (tied - 12th lowest)

• Median household income: $80,088 (2nd highest)

Connecticut
50. Connecticut

• Net federal funding: -$4,000 per resident

• Total revenue from fed. gov.: $41.1 billion (22nd least)

• SNAP benefit recipiency: 12.0 percent (tied - 23rd highest)

• Median household income: $74,168 (5th highest)

Methodology
To identify the states getting the most and least from the federal government, 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the “Giving or Getting? New York’s Balance of Payments with the Federal Government” report from the Rockefeller Institute of Government. States were ranked based on the amount of money they received per capita from the federal government in fiscal 2017 minus the amount residents and organizations paid the federal government per capita. SNAP benefit recipiency and median household income are 2017 estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Here's another list with a map and all.

The Week in Public Finance: The 10 States That Give More to the Feds Than They Get Back

https://www.governing.com/archive/go...-get-back.html

[Cuz]

The #1 problem with the United States of America is that a continent became a country.

The USA is just too big. One leader should not have the power to pardon people over such a great land area and population. You should split into 6 countries: Northeast, Southwest, West, Southeast, Midwest, Texas.

After you've split into 6 independent countries you should have a free trade agreement, and a agreement on criminal extradition.

The military should be split 6 ways too -- but with an agreement to team up against the baddies if one country goes to war -- similar to the European Allies.

after the USA has split into 6 independent countries you might be able to start solving problems. Of course Texas will keep all its guns legal but maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out.

Dont ever run for any office

[wango]

We have an amazing quality of health care OP, but access to it is inconsistent. That quality comes with a price that unfortunately many can’t afford.

The health care industry is after all interested in making a buck, like any other place else around. Better care means higher costs.

Am I responsible for feeding everyone or supplying them clothing and transportation as well? A home, furniture, appliances? The list goes on and on.

[Cuz]

The #1 problem with the United States of America is that a continent became a country.

The USA is just too big. One leader should not have the power to pardon people over such a great land area and population. You should split into 6 countries: Northeast, Southwest, West, Southeast, Midwest, Texas.

After you've split into 6 independent countries you should have a free trade agreement, and a agreement on criminal extradition.

The military should be split 6 ways too -- but with an agreement to team up against the baddies if one country goes to war -- similar to the European Allies.

after the USA has split into 6 independent countries you might be able to start solving problems. Of course Texas will keep all its guns legal but maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out.

Dont ever run for any office

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Dont ever run for any office

You wouldn't feel the need to communicate this message if you didn't fathom that I'd be elected and turn things upside down -- for the better.

[Cuz]

You wouldn't feel the need to communicate this message if you didn't fathom that I'd be elected and turn things upside down -- for the better.

Just stay in Ireland. You may be a king one day kimbo, then you can tell stories to all the towns people of the huge amounts of anabolic steroids that you injected

[almostgone]

The #1 problem with the United States of America is that a continent became a country.

The USA is just too big. One leader should not have the power to pardon people over such a great land area and population. You should split into 6 countries: Northeast, Southwest, West, Southeast, Midwest, Texas.

After you've split into 6 independent countries you should have a free trade agreement, and a agreement on criminal extradition.

The military should be split 6 ways too -- but with an agreement to team up against the baddies if one country goes to war -- similar to the European Allies.

after the USA has split into 6 independent countries you might be able to start solving problems. Of course Texas will keep all its guns legal but maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out.

In bold. Umm, no.

[Capebuffalo]

We have an amazing quality of health care OP, but access to it is inconsistent. That quality comes with a price that unfortunately many can’t afford.

The health care industry is after all interested in making a buck, like any other place else around. Better care means higher costs.

Am I responsible for feeding everyone or supplying them clothing and transportation as well? A home, furniture, appliances? The list goes on and on.

You would qualify for a breast lift fo sure

[Hughinn]

You are only looking at grants to the state.

You need to look at grants to the people also.

Texas is set to receive $269 billion in 2021.


When money flows back out of the federal government as federal spending, it's through four channels: The first and largest is direct payments to individuals through programs such as Social Security and Medicare. The second largest are grants to state and local governments to fund programs such as Medicaid, highway spending, education, and other social safety net programs. The final two are contracts and federal wages, which are distributed more heavily to areas where the federal government is a major employer.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...%22getters.%22

Look bro, I get all the copy and paste stuff you put up. And its true.

But numbers of state citizens that pay taxes and get returns isn't the same as a states internal revenue. I'll admit that much of a state citizens tax return will go back into the economy of the state they live in, but that's not a measure of that states usable income, or prosperity.

Texas, does not tax its citizens just because they live in Texas.

Man, I'm too toasted to debate this right b now. I haven't had a day off in probably six weeks, and I got b a four day weekend and a shift change coming. I wanna talk about this.

Let's just go slow.
Cool?

[Honkey_Kong]

In bold. Umm, no.

It's kind of funny that he'd say "maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out." I mean he was just trying to show off his airsoft pistols that he only bought, because he can't get real ones.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

It's kind of funny that he'd say "maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out." I mean he was just trying to show off his airsoft pistols that he only bought, because he can't get real ones.

I prefer that people don't have access to guns over here, it means we don't have mass shootings, and if someone does get shot once in a while, then 9 times out of 10 it was over the buying and selling of illegal drugs.

Guns are cool and I'd love to have a real glock and a desert eagle, but if that means that everyone can get a gun then I'll turn it down and get a replica airgun/airsoft gun instead.

[diesel101]

The #1 problem with the United States of America is that a continent became a country.

The USA is just too big. One leader should not have the power to pardon people over such a great land area and population. You should split into 6 countries: Northeast, Southwest, West, Southeast, Midwest, Texas.

After you've split into 6 independent countries you should have a free trade agreement, and a agreement on criminal extradition.

The military should be split 6 ways too -- but with an agreement to team up against the baddies if one country goes to war -- similar to the European Allies.

after the USA has split into 6 independent countries you might be able to start solving problems. Of course Texas will keep all its guns legal but maybe the other 5 can start to phase them out.

I wont even get into the splitting the country up thing but "phase guns out"? You mean phase all legal guns out?

[diesel101]

Just to give everyone and idea of insurance cost for businesses, I am grandfathered in to our original insurance plan so luckily I am not part of Obamacare. I pay for 100% of a single plan for all my employees. The deductible is $2500 with a $20 copay and it cost $498 per month per employee.

[wango]

Just to give everyone and idea of insurance cost for businesses, I am grandfathered in to our original insurance plan so luckily I am not part of Obamacare. I pay for 100% of a single plan for all my employees. The deductible is $2500 with a $20 copay and it cost $498 per month per employee.

Thank you for paying for your employees healthcare!

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Just to give everyone and idea of insurance cost for businesses, I am grandfathered in to our original insurance plan so luckily I am not part of Obamacare. I pay for 100% of a single plan for all my employees. The deductible is $2500 with a $20 copay and it cost $498 per month per employee.

America is such a strange place when it comes to sums of money. The figures just don't seem to make sense.

US$498 per month is a lot of money, it's more than ten dollars a day. For comparison, the rent on my small bungalow house where I live by myself in the UK is US$599 per month (around about twenty dollars a day).

And a deductible of $2,500 is outrageous. In Europe we call this "an insurance policy with an excess of $2500". My car insurance is about $650 per year and I chose to have the excess as zero. Fuck excess.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Just to give everyone and idea of insurance cost for businesses, I am grandfathered in to our original insurance plan so luckily I am not part of Obamacare. I pay for 100% of a single plan for all my employees. The deductible is $2500 with a $20 copay and it cost $498 per month per employee.

So it is $500 a month for a single person?
How much for a family plan?
What state?

[Capebuffalo]

Just to give everyone and idea of insurance cost for businesses, I am grandfathered in to our original insurance plan so luckily I am not part of Obamacare. I pay for 100% of a single plan for all my employees. The deductible is $2500 with a $20 copay and it cost $498 per month per employee.

You hiring ?

[Honkey_Kong]

I prefer that people don't have access to guns over here, it means we don't have mass shootings, and if someone does get shot once in a while, then 9 times out of 10 it was over the buying and selling of illegal drugs.

Guns are cool and I'd love to have a real glock and a desert eagle, but if that means that everyone can get a gun then I'll turn it down and get a replica airgun/airsoft gun instead.

London has a pretty high murder rate. Look at 2019... 145 murders.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ers-in-london/

By comparison NYC in 2019 had 187 murders.

https://www.statista.com/chart/22460...ted-us-cities/

So a lack of access to guns doesn't prevent murder.

Now as far as "mass shootings" go, they statistically account for a very very insignificant percentage of all homicides in a year. Besides, you don't need guns to mass commit mass murder. Go look at 9/11 or 7/7/2005 (in London). Go look at the sarin gas attack in Tokyo in 1995. Guns weren't used in any of those.

If you want to reduce homicides, worry about the causes of the homicides rather than the tools to execute them. If somebody wants to kill somebody, they will find a way. At least if the victim had a gun, they'd have a chance to fight back.

[lovbyts]

This is exactly why I asked you if you wanted to rephrase.

At first you said you don't know why you should pay for others.

Then you rephrased it to you don't mind paying for others.



Obviously you can see that those two statements can be viewed as contradictory.
It's not an attack.
I'm just pointing out that I didn't believe that you actually believed your first statement.
Thus I asked you to rephrase.

There is a big difference between You deciding who, when and how much to help others vs being Told who,l when and how much and finding out only pennies on the dollar they took from you actually went to whoever it was They decided to help.

When I buy sacks of rice or other food to help out friends and family in the Philippines who really don't have anything especially during this (cough cough) "pandemic" I know exactly where it went and who got it.

I use to have GOOD health insurance that was not very expensive. Yes it was company paid but not until we negotiated for it through the union and even went on strike a few times costing us a lot of money to get what we wanted and now everyone thinks its something that should just be given without working for it? Since Obamacare when into effect my out of pocket has gone from nearly zero to over $10K every year and my pay hasn't.

Sorry I disagree, not everyone deserves the same healthcare any more than not everyone deserves the same pay at most any job. Do more, get more. Minimum wage is for minimum work/effort. There are always exceptions to the rules and nothing is black and white.

IMO Every time government gets involved it will cost at least 10x more. Sure we need government to regulate a lot of things and even oversee but not actually run/fund it.

[diesel101]

So it is $500 a month for a single person?
How much for a family plan?
What state?

Yes 500 for a single person
South Dakota
A family plan runs $1400 a month.

[diesel101]

Always

[diesel101]

You hiring ?

Always