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    Blood pressure treatment recommendations

    Hi guys,

    For 10-15 years now I have always been pendling between high normal and hypertension stage 1 BP.
    - Iīve had one occurance when I got chest pain in my life (doc found nothing) besides the very occasional (1-2 times every 3rd month) where I get a sudden
    BP drop that makes me just lightheaded for a few seconds.
    Other than that, always felt fine.

    Doc has checked me a few times with ECG, checked my blood/ hormone/ lipid profile/ kidney and liver profile, and ask about history (both parents has high BP).
    According to doc, nothing to worry about and I should just keep an eye on it.
    All test numbers normal besides the BP itself.
    - Doc says "Your young, should be g2g"

    However, checking myself the days vary a lot! Ranging from 137-169 SP and 65-90 DB.
    Today after breakfast it was 139/90.
    Very rarely are both very high, itīs usually SP being high solo and DB closer to normal.
    I have never had both in normal range for as long as I remember.

    - 33y.o , no meds, not smoking, extremely rarely drink, not allergic, low sodium/ sugar instake, lots of healthy food besides the cheat day 2-3 times a month, not stressed (anymore).
    Tried remedies as e.g. Niacin and extracts, but that doesnīt do much.
    I have however been drinking coffee and energy drinks everyday since I was 15 lol.. but Iīve tried stopping it for a month and it did nothing for BP.

    Should I demand check and meds?
    Any recommendation what kind of meds? (seems to be a jungle)
    Any home remedies that has worked for you?
    Or should I relax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Hi guys,

    For 10-15 years now I have always been pendling between high normal and hypertension stage 1 BP.
    - Iīve had one occurance when I got chest pain in my life (doc found nothing) besides the very occasional (1-2 times every 3rd month) where I get a sudden
    BP drop that makes me just lightheaded for a few seconds.
    Other than that, always felt fine.

    Doc has checked me a few times with ECG, checked my blood/ hormone/ lipid profile/ kidney and liver profile, and ask about history (both parents has high BP).
    According to doc, nothing to worry about and I should just keep an eye on it.
    All test numbers normal besides the BP itself.
    - Doc says "Your young, should be g2g"

    However, checking myself the days vary a lot! Ranging from 137-169 SP and 65-90 DB.
    Today after breakfast it was 139/90.
    Very rarely are both very high, itīs usually SP being high solo and DB closer to normal.
    I have never had both in normal range for as long as I remember.

    - 33y.o , no meds, not smoking, extremely rarely drink, not allergic, low sodium/ sugar instake, lots of healthy food besides the cheat day 2-3 times a month, not stressed (anymore).
    Tried remedies as e.g. Niacin and extracts, but that doesnīt do much.
    I have however been drinking coffee and energy drinks everyday since I was 15 lol.. but Iīve tried stopping it for a month and it did nothing for BP.

    Should I demand check and meds?
    Any recommendation what kind of meds? (seems to be a jungle)
    Any home remedies that has worked for you?
    Or should I relax?
    I would take the meds. I take Lisinopril 80 mg/day split in two doses morning night, and metropolol 25 mg. Bp when I’m relaxed is 110-130/60-80. My dr said these medicines have been around for a very long time and have been proven to be safe and effective, and there is no reason why someone should not take them if it would benefit them.

    Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, and my bp definitely goes up when I consume. The fact that yours doesn’t improve with caffeine cessation is odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Hi guys,

    For 10-15 years now I have always been pendling between high normal and hypertension stage 1 BP.
    - Iīve had one occurance when I got chest pain in my life (doc found nothing) besides the very occasional (1-2 times every 3rd month) where I get a sudden
    BP drop that makes me just lightheaded for a few seconds.
    Other than that, always felt fine.

    Doc has checked me a few times with ECG, checked my blood/ hormone/ lipid profile/ kidney and liver profile, and ask about history (both parents has high BP).
    According to doc, nothing to worry about and I should just keep an eye on it.
    All test numbers normal besides the BP itself.
    - Doc says "Your young, should be g2g"

    However, checking myself the days vary a lot! Ranging from 137-169 SP and 65-90 DB.
    Today after breakfast it was 139/90.
    Very rarely are both very high, itīs usually SP being high solo and DB closer to normal.
    I have never had both in normal range for as long as I remember.

    - 33y.o , no meds, not smoking, extremely rarely drink, not allergic, low sodium/ sugar instake, lots of healthy food besides the cheat day 2-3 times a month, not stressed (anymore).
    Tried remedies as e.g. Niacin and extracts, but that doesnīt do much.
    I have however been drinking coffee and energy drinks everyday since I was 15 lol.. but Iīve tried stopping it for a month and it did nothing for BP.

    Should I demand check and meds?
    Any recommendation what kind of meds? (seems to be a jungle)
    Any home remedies that has worked for you?
    Or should I relax?
    I’ll be honest, at your young age, it is a concern. Does it run in your family, strong correlation there.

    Yup, get meds; absolute no brainer.

    I’d lay off the energy drinks if you can. I for one need my morning coffee so I understand if you can’t eliminate that (both should increase your BP though). Beet juice or beet root pills have helped some and there is some anecdotal evidence out there that it might be helpful. However still, the meds are needed as your BP is too high at your age.

    On atenolol myself, but it’s time for a change because it’s still borderline high at rest. I have been trying low level CBD & THC gummies in the afternoon and so far the results have been inconsistent.

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    Thank you guys, appreciate the responses! I have had this feeling for years, but since visits to doc hasn't given me more then a pat on the shoulder I had kinda given up asking.

    Will try Cialis at recommended dose and if that doesn't bring it to decent levels, I'll jump on the meds above with doc supervision.
    Won't be able to get Cialis back home later most likely because I am simply young (basis for all their decisions), so meds will be the end anyway later in that case.

    Is BP meds lifelong or will body adjust after a while?

    I bet the caffeine don't elevate it since I need much higher doses these days. Have 2-400 a day split in two via a Redbull and PWO.
    Tried CBD, natural extracts, HIIT and whatnot, seems to do very little compared to normal routine.
    But I feel better of course being more active and eat healthier.

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    I would see a different doctor about it. Getting you on a couple meds shouldn't be that big of a deal. If this doctor isn't giving you advice/treatment that you find adequate, then get a different doctor.

    But yeah I would cut off caffeine entirely for a couple months and then if you "need" it, introduce a little bit. and keep it at a lower dose.

    Another thing you can do is us salt substitutes that contain potassium chloride. It tastes just like salt, but will actually lower your blood pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Is BP meds lifelong or will body adjust after a while?
    Generally its forever.

    I'm taking Lisinopril 25 mg/day, but I see my doc next month and I think he'll bump it up. I run about 130-150 / 60-90 while on meds... I was about 45 went I started taking 12.5mg/day because I was about 150-160 / 100-110. 12.5 knocked my down to about 140/100, then he doubled it to 25 and I average 140/80. So it doesn't take much.... and I drink a fuck-ton of coffee every day.

    Track you BP for a month and take your log to your doc. If you're averaging "137-169 SP and 65-90 DB" and he doesn't want to think about giving you something, find another doc. An ekg is fine but you could also talk to him about a stress test (even tho your young(ish)) to rule out any coronary artery disease.

    They call "high blood pressure" the silent killer for a reason.

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    BP Meds suck & imo shouldn't be used until necessary


    How big are you?

    Surprised no one else asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    BP Meds suck & imo shouldn't be used until necessary




    How big are you?

    Surprised no one else asked
    185cm, 93kg currently and I will guess preety much exactly 14-15% bf.

    After half a bottle of wine and some sexytime last night, I joked with her a little and wanted to check (pulse up).
    Had 192/89 and 78 pulse.
    Some 10-20min after sexercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    185cm, 93kg currently and I will guess preety much exactly 14-15% bf.

    After half a bottle of wine and some sexytime last night, I joked with her a little and wanted to check (pulse up).
    Had 192/89 and 78 pulse.
    Some 10-20min after sexercise.
    Was at the dentist just now, BP was 159/85 before procedure, but after a tab of Diazepam it went down to 127/75 and I felt great!
    Not sure if they have a longterm alternative to that?
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    Hmmmm,

    Sounds like it’s caused by some form of anxiety

    Since a benzo made it drop like that


    My guess, from self experience

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    Love countries where you can just go in to a clinic, point at things to check, and get answers 48 hours later.

    I woke up 07.00 yesterday and went straight to the clinic to check blood.
    - Liver great
    - Kidneys great
    - Lipids great
    - Blood panel great
    - Waiting for Thyroid, will get that today.

    On 750 Test E a week (second shot last Saturday/ BP hasnīt changed to worse or better so far).
    - BW before cycle all normal besides E2 who was below 10. E2 has now gone up to 73 pg/ml.
    - Using Aromasin 1/4th 2x a week so far, might need to bump that up later.
    - Also use 500 i.u/ 2x HCG a week (250 didnīt cut it for me).

    Yesterday BP was between 143/72 to 164/81 in rest mode.
    Pulse seemed to stay around 63-77.

    Had Cialis 5mg and that didnīt help. I read that Cialis as BP meds only works on lung-issues? But I still enjoy the spontaneous erections lol
    Will keep it up and see what it does in a month.

    But if Thyroid comes back normal, I would bet that itīs genetic.
    Just speculating, but canīt it be past cycles as well? Making my body used to another life and having receptors going haywire?
    In that case, current cycle should fluctuate BP, probably for the worse, so gotta be prepared.

    Other than that, feel much better! Speculating that it might be the HCG and eating more again.

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    If it continues and since a benzo knocked your BP down, they may prescribe a low dose beta blocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    If it continues and since a benzo knocked your BP down, they may prescribe a low dose beta blocker.
    That would be great! Will visit them tomorrow and see what can be done.
    Thyroid was normal as well, so seems nothing wrong with the insides at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    That would be great! Will visit them tomorrow and see what can be done.
    Thyroid was normal as well, so seems nothing wrong with the insides at least
    Some US Drs.do opt to prescribe low dose beta blockers as "off label" use for anxiety instead of prescribing benzos. A LOT of athletes and doctorate students like them to help them focus without the use of stimulants.

    Not saying it will fix your issue, but it's something to discuss. Another option would be an ARB like candesartan or as mentioned in an earlier post, telmisartan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Some US Drs.do opt to prescribe low dose beta blockers as "off label" use for anxiety instead of prescribing benzos. A LOT of athletes and doctorate students like them to help them focus without the use of stimulants.

    Not saying it will fix your issue, but it's something to discuss. Another option would be an ARB like candesartan or as mentioned in an earlier post, telmisartan.
    Great advice, thank you! What worries me (reading around) is that changing or even stopping a BP med is not recommended and can cause harm.
    Not sure how much I need to worry about that, but I have no faith in docs since they will most likely perscribe what brings numbers down and
    what they have at home, more so than what is best for me in the longrun.
    The anxiety medication did miracles for my mood, I havenīt felt that calm since teenage years.
    I thought I was much less stressed these days, but I guess abnormal is my new normal.

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    UPDATE!!

    I finally found a hospital who took it seriously, so I am very happy.
    These guys tested everything from blood and urine to x-rays and ultrasound. Even hooked me up in various terminator machines that
    tested pressure/ circulation in various combinations from top til toe.
    They were impressed and happy that I didnīt have a single negative occurance/ value/ issue in my body.
    Not even any thickening of the walls of the heart.

    So, the high BP is either from genetics (most likely) or anxiety they said.
    I have had anxiety for years, but I currently feel fantastic, so doubt itīs that.

    I got Olmetec 20mg/ day to use for a month, then try half dose and then try stop, but most likely it will
    be for life - this, or another medication to protect me rather than fix me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    or anxiety they said.
    I have had anxiety for years, but I currently feel fantastic, so doubt itīs that.

    Yeah -

    What I said 5 posts back
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    Samson is right, anxiety can raise BP even if on meds.

    If you're naturally a more tense person, it can be hard to self-diagnose how you're feeling. I look at it like driving fast. I'm always driving fast, no matter where I go. On the highway if the speed limit is 65, I'm doing 90+. I look at people on the highway and think "how the hell do you drive so slow???" That's my normal cruising speed. I think it's the same with how we feel. When we're just naturally wired a little more tense and agitated, it feels normal to us. You may think you feel fine but compared to other people, you're probably more agitated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Samson is right, anxiety can raise BP even if on meds.

    If you're naturally a more tense person, it can be hard to self-diagnose how you're feeling. I look at it like driving fast. I'm always driving fast, no matter where I go. On the highway if the speed limit is 65, I'm doing 90+. I look at people on the highway and think "how the hell do you drive so slow???" That's my normal cruising speed. I think it's the same with how we feel. When we're just naturally wired a little more tense and agitated, it feels normal to us. You may think you feel fine but compared to other people, you're probably more agitated.
    This metaphor hit the nail on the head, exactly how I live by the word. I always do more, want more, feel more than everyone else. I am a people person and never lash out, but inside I am wired to constantly analyze or think ahead. Been training to limit that and especially become more thankful, it works, but I had to move to another country to make it work.

    But I thought things like that temporarily increased heart rate? Not make it a new normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    This metaphor hit the nail on the head, exactly how I live by the word. I always do more, want more, feel more than everyone else. I am a people person and never lash out, but inside I am wired to constantly analyze or think ahead. Been training to limit that and especially become more thankful, it works, but I had to move to another country to make it work.

    But I thought things like that temporarily increased heart rate? Not make it a new normal?
    It depends. Anxiety can become a chronic condition that you aren't always aware of. I can remember a couple/few decades back, my (then) 4 year old niece looked at me and said "You need to relax"....she's told me the same thing many times. Your mind can be working on stuff in the background and you won't even be aware of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    This metaphor hit the nail on the head, exactly how I live by the word. I always do more, want more, feel more than everyone else. I am a people person and never lash out, but inside I am wired to constantly analyze or think ahead. Been training to limit that and especially become more thankful, it works, but I had to move to another country to make it work.

    But I thought things like that temporarily increased heart rate? Not make it a new normal?
    What TM & AG are incredibly spot-on. First off, stress and stimulants do increase your heart rate, but they are vasoconstrictive which is what is so dangerous for your heart & left ventricle in particular. And, asking your left ventricle to be pushing extra at this age already is not going to end well for you.

    Stress/anxiety easily becomes subconscious because you are so used to it being a daily part of your life, which simply means you have to take extra means to reduce it, even if you don’t think you have it.

    Address the psychological aspect of this more, minimize your caffeine and dump the energy drinks and pre workout drinks. Find a better MD that will address the anxiety & BP more aggressively. Don’t hesitate taking anxiety and/or BP meds and expect to try different ones until you are getting the results that you want.

    Question - what is your family history of strokes and heart attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Samson is right, anxiety can raise BP even if on meds.

    If you're naturally a more tense person, it can be hard to self-diagnose how you're feeling. I look at it like driving fast. I'm always driving fast, no matter where I go. On the highway if the speed limit is 65, I'm doing 90+. I look at people on the highway and think "how the hell do you drive so slow???" That's my normal cruising speed. I think it's the same with how we feel. When we're just naturally wired a little more tense and agitated, it feels normal to us. You may think you feel fine but compared to other people, you're probably more agitated.
    So you were the a-hole on my tail in the fast lane? I’m thinking, dude I’m going 85, wtf is your problem.

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    Twin Turbos throttle wide open 24x7 under full boost

    Is how my day looks - watch that anxiety

    Try it again, check resting BP a few random times - then try the same after a Valium or a low dose Xanax

    It took quite a while to get myself in check after my medical ordeal - and, I still get episodes of random BP spikes & drops
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Thank you guys, appreciate the responses! I have had this feeling for years, but since visits to doc hasn't given me more then a pat on the shoulder I had kinda given up asking.

    Will try Cialis at recommended dose and if that doesn't bring it to decent levels, I'll jump on the meds above with doc supervision.
    Won't be able to get Cialis back home later most likely because I am simply young (basis for all their decisions), so meds will be the end anyway later in that case.

    Is BP meds lifelong or will body adjust after a while?

    I bet the caffeine don't elevate it since I need much higher doses these days. Have 2-400 a day split in two via a Redbull and PWO.
    Tried CBD, natural extracts, HIIT and whatnot, seems to do very little compared to normal routine.
    But I feel better of course being more active and eat healthier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    What TM & AG are incredibly spot-on. First off, stress and stimulants do increase your heart rate, but they are vasoconstrictive which is what is so dangerous for your heart & left ventricle in particular. And, asking your left ventricle to be pushing extra at this age already is not going to end well for you.

    Stress/anxiety easily becomes subconscious because you are so used to it being a daily part of your life, which simply means you have to take extra means to reduce it, even if you don’t think you have it.

    Address the psychological aspect of this more, minimize your caffeine and dump the energy drinks and pre workout drinks. Find a better MD that will address the anxiety & BP more aggressively. Don’t hesitate taking anxiety and/or BP meds and expect to try different ones until you are getting the results that you want.

    Question - what is your family history of strokes and heart attacks?
    I do appreciate it all of you! I havenīt taken the meds yet since I value the advice I get here and these suggestions and speculations that you all have are in the lines of what my friends says as well
    who know me.
    - My mom has had high BP a long long time. She doesnīt exercise, eat bad and is extremely stressed, but listens to no one. She has meds, but rarely takes them.
    She has already had a "pre-heartattack".
    - Dad has high BP but do eat the meds, two of them, but have no contact with him so canīt ask. He recently had testicular cancer as well, but beat it.
    - Two of my sisters has one issue each. One has too low BP and pulse (canīt remember the name). And the other has a similar occurance so when she exercise her hands and fingers swell up.

    My family history is full of inherited issues that might hit me when I am older. So far I am the only one in the entire family that doesnīt have anything....Yet at least.

    However, I have been living with anxiety and panic attacks since I was 8 years old, but been keeping it inside and getting angry at myself if I canīt beat it myself.
    You know the feeling when your brain feels fine, positive atmosphere, things start to get better, and you body goes "Hell nah, time for some adrenaline for no reason!"
    It has gotten way way better, from self-harm, chest pain, shakes and almost passing out to now just getting nervous for no reason.

    I feel I can beat it without meds or psychologist at this stage, the anxiety and stress part, but the BP worries me since even if my head gets better, maybe my body
    wonīt before itīs too late.
    No idea what the best approach is there, taking BP meds and see if I can jump off them at a later stage, or go full natural remedies.

    Checking BP randomly it never gets lower than 139/72 (if I donīt use something to bring it down a little), but it can easily jump to 190+/90+ with some alcohol in me.
    Gym seems to land it on around 160-170/80+.
    Have never had it over 200/100 as far as I know.

    Checked it now after sitting at the desk the entire day doing nothing - 145/82 Pulse 63
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    Meh, that’s not insane

    Like mentioned above, see if you can stomach beet juice + celery

    That was my go to BP remedy until it wasn’t enough

    And, watch anxiety - somehow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    I do appreciate it all of you! I havenīt taken the meds yet since I value the advice I get here and these suggestions and speculations that you all have are in the lines of what my friends says as well
    who know me.
    - My mom has had high BP a long long time. She doesnīt exercise, eat bad and is extremely stressed, but listens to no one. She has meds, but rarely takes them.
    She has already had a "pre-heartattack".
    - Dad has high BP but do eat the meds, two of them, but have no contact with him so canīt ask. He recently had testicular cancer as well, but beat it.
    - Two of my sisters has one issue each. One has too low BP and pulse (canīt remember the name). And the other has a similar occurance so when she exercise her hands and fingers swell up.

    My family history is full of inherited issues that might hit me when I am older. So far I am the only one in the entire family that doesnīt have anything....Yet at least.

    However, I have been living with anxiety and panic attacks since I was 8 years old, but been keeping it inside and getting angry at myself if I canīt beat it myself.
    You know the feeling when your brain feels fine, positive atmosphere, things start to get better, and you body goes "Hell nah, time for some adrenaline for no reason!"
    It has gotten way way better, from self-harm, chest pain, shakes and almost passing out to now just getting nervous for no reason.

    I feel I can beat it without meds or psychologist at this stage, the anxiety and stress part, but the BP worries me since even if my head gets better, maybe my body
    wonīt before itīs too late.
    No idea what the best approach is there, taking BP meds and see if I can jump off them at a later stage, or go full natural remedies.

    Checking BP randomly it never gets lower than 139/72 (if I donīt use something to bring it down a little), but it can easily jump to 190+/90+ with some alcohol in me.
    Gym seems to land it on around 160-170/80+.
    Have never had it over 200/100 as far as I know.(

    Checked it now after sitting at the desk the entire day doing nothing - 145/82 Pulse 63
    Well, your mother does have cardio concerns (explain pre-heart attack please, are you talking angina pectorals) & I’m guessing she’s younger than me. Just get your resting BP down ASAP, 145/82 is not good at your age. Dude if you were 200/100 you should have been in the hospital. BTW, how are your lipids (LDLs vs. HDLs)? Sorry, I take this stuff seriously. If I’m being a PITA just say, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    Well, your mother does have cardio concerns (explain pre-heart attack please, are you talking angina pectorals) & I’m guessing she’s younger than me. Just get your resting BP down ASAP, 145/82 is not good at your age. Dude if you were 200/100 you should have been in the hospital. BTW, how are your lipids (LDLs vs. HDLs)? Sorry, I take this stuff seriously. If I’m being a PITA just say, ok?
    Will test it Samson, Thanks man! Fingers crossed! Niacin and Cialis didnīt work, sex does though it seems, just gotta find a chick with no life but huge hunger lol

    Wango - In Sweden itīs called a "TIA", and from Google I understand it stands for transient ischemic attack. She also have extreme sleep apnea but donīt use the machine.
    So at certain points during the night she doesnīt breath at all.
    In other words, which is extremely horrible to say, she is killing herself.
    She is born 63.

    All values according to blood, urine and heart tests seem to be normal, even the hormonal profile seems to be great at the moment.
    I am on Test E currently, but my tests before and now during seems to be more or less the same except the boost in certain hormones.
    Current Lipids:
    - Cholesterol 120 (ref <200)
    - Triglyceride 60 (ref <150)
    - HDL 42 (ref >40)
    - LDL 66 (ref <130)

    I do appreciate the seriousness, otherwise I wouldnīt go by myself to check it without being called. Since the BP damages other organs as well, and being healthy is my life more or less.
    I am currently gaining a lot of weight faster than expected, since I started Test E, HCG (took 3rd shot Saturday) I was at around 90kgs, and at hospital I weight 95.2 kgs.
    I did one E2 check and it seems to be in "ok" range, but I gotta be putting on immense water weight currently even with the Aromasin .
    I donīt look puffy at all, just pumped.
    But gotta keep an eye on that since that will most certainly boost my BP up as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Hi guys,

    For 10-15 years now I have always been pendling between high normal and hypertension stage 1 BP.
    - Iīve had one occurance when I got chest pain in my life (doc found nothing) besides the very occasional (1-2 times every 3rd month) where I get a sudden
    BP drop that makes me just lightheaded for a few seconds.
    Other than that, always felt fine.

    Doc has checked me a few times with ECG, checked my blood/ hormone/ lipid profile/ kidney and liver profile, and ask about history (both parents has high BP).
    According to doc, nothing to worry about and I should just keep an eye on it.
    All test numbers normal besides the BP itself.
    - Doc says "Your young, should be g2g"

    However, checking myself the days vary a lot! Ranging from 137-169 SP and 65-90 DB.
    Today after breakfast it was 139/90.
    Very rarely are both very high, itīs usually SP being high solo and DB closer to normal.
    I have never had both in normal range for as long as I remember.

    - 33y.o , no meds, not smoking, extremely rarely drink, not allergic, low sodium/ sugar instake, lots of healthy food besides the cheat day 2-3 times a month, not stressed (anymore).
    Tried remedies as e.g. Niacin and extracts, but that doesnīt do much.
    I have however been drinking coffee and energy drinks everyday since I was 15 lol.. but Iīve tried stopping it for a month and it did nothing for BP.

    Should I demand check and meds?
    Any recommendation what kind of meds? (seems to be a jungle)
    Any home remedies that has worked for you?
    Or should I relax?
    I have always been hypertensive. I ordered Atenolol Black Market long before my doctor ever prescribed and my doctor only prescribed it because I told them that I had been using it Black Market and it had no sides for me. In my opinion my blood pressure has always been a direct offset of my stress level and the way I've always been wound for sound.

    Atenolol made sense for me because it blocks epinephrine at the heart as a beta blocker and it didn't cause any other sides so it just made perfect sense. My stress level was always high and that was my normal operating condition and my heart was used to epinephrine being sent to it like freight train.

    The really crappy thing is I never took my blood pressure medication even after it was prescribed to me and even after I had bought it off the black market.

    I suffered through a detox that was about a week long and I spent the first two days shaking sweating and telling the person with me to shoot me before I found out that Atenolol is also used to treat alcohol withdrawal I felt like a real dumb ass on that one. I had done similar with Xanax to set me down and I have done similar with Ativan to set me down and even hydroxyzine. At the time though I was out and that was the worst detox I ever went through because I got mad and instead of tapering down my whiskey I had my ex girlfriend dumped my bottle of whiskey down the drain. I probably wasn't too far off from dying on that one.

    Anyway I really recommend going to a Cardiologist or any doctor if you can and having them look at the factors that are causing your hypertension before you start treating it unless you just do so naturally because there are so many different kinds of blood pressure medications it's not even funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Will test it Samson, Thanks man! Fingers crossed! Niacin and Cialis didnīt work, sex does though it seems, just gotta find a chick with no life but huge hunger lol

    Wango - In Sweden itīs called a "TIA", and from Google I understand it stands for transient ischemic attack. She also have extreme sleep apnea but donīt use the machine.
    So at certain points during the night she doesnīt breath at all.
    In other words, which is extremely horrible to say, she is killing herself.
    She is born 63.

    All values according to blood, urine and heart tests seem to be normal, even the hormonal profile seems to be great at the moment.
    I am on Test E currently, but my tests before and now during seems to be more or less the same except the boost in certain hormones.
    Current Lipids:
    - Cholesterol 120 (ref <200)
    - Triglyceride 60 (ref <150)
    - HDL 42 (ref >40)
    - LDL 66 (ref <130)

    I do appreciate the seriousness, otherwise I wouldnīt go by myself to check it without being called. Since the BP damages other organs as well, and being healthy is my life more or less.
    I am currently gaining a lot of weight faster than expected, since I started Test E, HCG (took 3rd shot Saturday) I was at around 90kgs, and at hospital I weight 95.2 kgs.
    I did one E2 check and it seems to be in "ok" range, but I gotta be putting on immense water weight currently even with the Aromasin .
    I donīt look puffy at all, just pumped.
    But gotta keep an eye on that since that will most certainly boost my BP up as well.
    TIA is a “mini-stroke”. If born in 63 she’s 6 years younger than me & way too young for that. And, if she has BP issues like yourself, well you just connected some serious dots right there. The lipids are good, which means it’s likely your plaque development isn’t on pace with your high BP. Yup, you add water, your blood volume is higher & you are working the left ventricle more. You add body weight & you work the left ventricle even harder. Then you vasoconstrict your peripheral arteries with stress & stimulants forcing your left ventricle to pump blood through miles of narrower arteries? And you are only 30? Take this as a deadly serious issue please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    TIA is a “mini-stroke”. If born in 63 she’s 6 years younger than me & way too young for that. And, if she has BP issues like yourself, well you just connected some serious dots right there. The lipids are good, which means it’s likely your plaque development isn’t on pace with your high BP. Yup, you add water, your blood volume is higher & you are working the left ventricle more. You add body weight & you work the left ventricle even harder. Then you vasoconstrict your peripheral arteries with stress & stimulants forcing your left ventricle to pump blood through miles of narrower arteries? And you are only 30? Take this as a deadly serious issue please.
    Yeah, my fear as well on both accounts...
    So take the BP meds and keep checking the factors that can increase BP while consulting cardiologist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    TIA is a “mini-stroke”. If born in 63 she’s 6 years younger than me & way too young for that. And, if she has BP issues like yourself, well you just connected some serious dots right there. The lipids are good, which means it’s likely your plaque development isn’t on pace with your high BP. Yup, you add water, your blood volume is higher & you are working the left ventricle more. You add body weight & you work the left ventricle even harder. Then you vasoconstrict your peripheral arteries with stress & stimulants forcing your left ventricle to pump blood through miles of narrower arteries? And you are only 30? Take this as a deadly serious issue please.
    My 2nd wife (ex at the time) had several TIA before she committed suicide. Stupid doctors at group death kept messing up her MRI or Cat-scan and just said they thought she was fine even though it was 100% obvious what was wrong.

    She was in her early 40s at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Yeah, my fear as well on both accounts...
    So take the BP meds and keep checking the factors that can increase BP while consulting cardiologist?
    I think that’s a good idea. Get your BP under control with proven meds. Then if you want to investigate the anti-anxiety aspect of it (likely more meds), then that is something to think about.

    When I taught, I had donated about 10 BP cuffs to my classroom. Even 16-18 year olds were having increased BP. Almost to a kid, there was a family history as well. Kids BPs were also higher if they used nicotine (vaping is getting out of control), pounded down Starbucks or big energy drinks prior or had stressful exams in other classes that day. The cuffs were one of the kid’s favorite things as it really opened their eyes.

    BTW, sometimes there really isn’t a factor that jumps out as causing it as it just runs higher. Also, pretty much guaranteed, it will only get higher as you get older.

    I’d just hate to see something bad happen in the future that could be easily addressed now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Hi guys,

    For 10-15 years now I have always been pendling between high normal and hypertension stage 1 BP.
    - Iīve had one occurance when I got chest pain in my life (doc found nothing) besides the very occasional (1-2 times every 3rd month) where I get a sudden
    BP drop that makes me just lightheaded for a few seconds.
    Other than that, always felt fine.

    Doc has checked me a few times with ECG, checked my blood/ hormone/ lipid profile/ kidney and liver profile, and ask about history (both parents has high BP).
    According to doc, nothing to worry about and I should just keep an eye on it.
    All test numbers normal besides the BP itself.
    - Doc says "Your young, should be g2g"

    However, checking myself the days vary a lot! Ranging from 137-169 SP and 65-90 DB.
    Today after breakfast it was 139/90.
    Very rarely are both very high, itīs usually SP being high solo and DB closer to normal.
    I have never had both in normal range for as long as I remember.

    - 33y.o , no meds, not smoking, extremely rarely drink, not allergic, low sodium/ sugar instake, lots of healthy food besides the cheat day 2-3 times a month, not stressed (anymore).
    Tried remedies as e.g. Niacin and extracts, but that doesnīt do much.
    I have however been drinking coffee and energy drinks everyday since I was 15 lol.. but Iīve tried stopping it for a month and it did nothing for BP.

    Should I demand check and meds?
    Any recommendation what kind of meds? (seems to be a jungle)
    Any home remedies that has worked for you?
    Or should I relax?
    Telmisartan is great for controlling BP but also has other health benefits including preventative measures for protecting the brain, heart, liver and kidneys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    I think that’s a good idea. Get your BP under control with proven meds. Then if you want to investigate the anti-anxiety aspect of it (likely more meds), then that is something to think about.

    When I taught, I had donated about 10 BP cuffs to my classroom. Even 16-18 year olds were having increased BP. Almost to a kid, there was a family history as well. Kids BPs were also higher if they used nicotine (vaping is getting out of control), pounded down Starbucks or big energy drinks prior or had stressful exams in other classes that day. The cuffs were one of the kid’s favorite things as it really opened their eyes.

    BTW, sometimes there really isn’t a factor that jumps out as causing it as it just runs higher. Also, pretty much guaranteed, it will only get higher as you get older.

    I’d just hate to see something bad happen in the future that could be easily addressed now.
    Very sad to hear that Lovbyts... The responsibility they have is immense... In Sweden we have pretty much free healthcare (not entirely free), but that also means they avoid doing or checking
    extra like the plague, and rather wait for fire than prevent it.
    I am so happy I get to choose with my money what I want to know.

    I actually took BP medication first tab yesterday afternoon.
    I went to look for natural remedies, beetroot, celeri, pharmaceutical helpers, anything... Had nothing available in the whole city besides meds weirdly enough.
    I could order, but it would take two weeks to get something I donīt even know works.

    I feel nothing on the medication I received (Olmetec 20mg), which was apparently a low dose, but my BP seems to more affect DP and not SP.
    Yesterday at rest I had 139/62 and today (now when writing this) at night I have 140/55.
    So my DP has been lowered by 10-30 points, and my SP close to nothing.

    Amen! Iīve read a few articles from US and Sweden now searching for solutions to myself, and it seems the majority of the tested younger generation has Hypertension stage 1 or 2.
    They mentioned it was hard to make accurate data since most move around a lot, donīt have time, live different lives etc.
    But seems High BP is reaching both younger and many many more these days, which I bet can both cause and be the cause of anxiety.
    That in itself brings a host of issues socially...
    So both physical and mental health gets affected.
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    Just when waking up: 136/72
    45 mins after gym: 145/65

    5mg Cialis and 20mg Olmetec
    BP medication is on 5th tablet.

    Would that mean BP medication isnīt strong enough for me?
    What I understand is that it should start to working 30 minutes to 4 hours depending on medication already from day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Just when waking up: 136/72
    45 mins after gym: 145/65

    5mg Cialis and 20mg Olmetec
    BP medication is on 5th tablet.

    Would that mean BP medication isnīt strong enough for me?
    What I understand is that it should start to working 30 minutes to 4 hours depending on medication already from day one.
    Following this with interest as those are just about my values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskevatten View Post
    Just when waking up: 136/72
    45 mins after gym: 145/65

    5mg Cialis and 20mg Olmetec
    BP medication is on 5th tablet.

    Would that mean BP medication isnīt strong enough for me?
    What I understand is that it should start to working 30 minutes to 4 hours depending on medication already from day one.
    I’m sure you realize just how many people have high BP, CV disease and die from both. It’s just not an instantaneous and easy fix for many people. Remember, you have a family history, you admittedly have high stress (although it’s largely subconsciously part of your normal life now), you are using AAS and are technically overweight. 136/72 wouldn’t frighten most MD’s, but they’d be concerned. Try these meds for a while, continue to investigate the anxiety angle of this and above all, don’t add further stress by worrying about your BP numbers. Fixing this is going to be a process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    I’m sure you realize just how many people have high BP, CV disease and die from both. It’s just not an instantaneous and easy fix for many people. Remember, you have a family history, you admittedly have high stress (although it’s largely subconsciously part of your normal life now), you are using AAS and are technically overweight. 136/72 wouldn’t frighten most MD’s, but they’d be concerned. Try these meds for a while, continue to investigate the anxiety angle of this and above all, don’t add further stress by worrying about your BP numbers. Fixing this is going to be a process.
    Much appreciated Wango!
    I will update any changes and what I did to manage them since it seems many are living with the same or worse here as well.
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