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02-25-2023, 09:10 PM #1
Acid reflux is killing me
Some of you may have seen my thread I made in the Q&A section where I was pretty ill a couple months ago, and that I have had throat pain for months that wouldn’t go away. I wasn’t sure if it was an actual illness or from my acid reflux. Well the more things go on, the more I think it’s my acid reflux.
After having throat pain for a couple months I saw a throat specialist who put a camera up my nose and down my throat. He discovered I have an ulcer right above my vocal cords. He said this was caused by my acid reflux.
I have been taking 20mg of otc omeprazole for years now that seemed to control it. I mentioned this to my primary care physician and he said it would be a good idea to see a GI specialist. He then put me on 40mg of omeprazole, which seemed to work ok until I woke up coughing uncontrollably one night and then went on to lose my voice and have the worst sore throat I’ve ever had for about two weeks that got better but left me with an ulcer.
This throat specialist told me to stop the omeprazole and he put me on 40mg of pantoprazole in the morning and 40mg of famotidine at night. I feel worse on this medicine, and just last night I woke up coughing and have a terrible sore throat. I feel like this is causing me to always feel like I’m getting a cold, it’s affecting my sinuses as well. I am a mess and this whole thing is depressing. I have changed my eating habits and what I eat but I feel as though it’s getting worse. I am very bummed out by this, I am tired of feeling sick, I’m tired of having an extremely sore throat, it hurts to talk, and I’m afraid to eat or drink anything. I don’t know why it has gone from being able to control it with 20mg of omeprazole to nothing is helping.
I did see the GI specialist by the way (this was in early December before all of this happened) he just told me to continue with what my primary care doctor prescribed me and I am scheduled for an endoscopy this summer.
Sorry for the long rant but I’m hurting pretty bad and worried I’ll never get this under control. I’m not on orals right now but I can’t help but think steroids are playing a roll in this. I’m worried I will have to quit it all together and spend the rest of my life drinking nothing but water and eating boiled chicken until I die. And yes, for the record I have made changes to my diet and eating habits, and still things are worse than they were.Last edited by yeahbuddy289; 02-25-2023 at 09:13 PM.
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02-26-2023, 12:07 AM #2
Have you tried apple cider vinegar or a little backing soda?
Gluten And Acid Reflux. A recent research study linked peptic disease (heartburn, GERD, stomach ulcer) to gluten exposure in patients with gluten sensitivity. This simply means that gluten and acid reflux are linked.
What common food allergies cause acid reflux?
The foods that most commonly cause an allergic reaction leading to EoE include milk, eggs, wheat, soy, peanuts or tree nuts and fish or shellfish. You may have a combination of allergies that increase the risk of EoE
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02-26-2023, 03:08 AM #3
Have they tried treating the throat ulcer with antibiotics?
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What r u on now?
I get it every once in a while, pretty badly when I run a lot of orals(especially dBol )
Glutamine helps a lot, but just doesn’t last long
Geez, we’re all falling apart at the seems
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02-26-2023, 07:25 AM #5
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02-26-2023, 07:27 AM #6
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02-26-2023, 07:29 AM #7
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My brother I’ve been through this and mine was caused by a hiatal hernia and I had the surgery, regardless of the source keep going to specialist until you get it it fixed as the next level is developing Barrett’s disease and esophageal cancer, my father in law let his go too long like most of us and it went really bad, I don’t want to spread fear so I’m not going to get into the details but keep going to a doctor until you can get it fixed, I pray that you can get it straightened out
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02-26-2023, 08:08 AM #9
How bad was the surgery? And did it help? I am scheduled for an endoscopy in June so hopefully they find something. I’m a little concerned that it’s getting worse and medication is not completely controlling it anymore. I didn’t think it would be anything serious but now I’m not so sure.
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The endoscopy should tell the tale and the surgery wasn’t bad at all especially considering that it completely fixed the issues as it had actually progressed into vomiting sleeping sitting in a chair etc. it took them a while to get it figured out and I went through the same changes in medication that you are going through now, my father in law let his go on and it ended up causing cancer, he had a third of his stomach removed and several inches of his esophagus….they couldn’t fix the hernia because it went past that, he is in and out the hospital frequently because he can’t hold anything down anymore, just make it a priority my Brother and you will be good as new
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02-26-2023, 11:44 AM #11
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02-26-2023, 09:11 PM #12
It's a vicious cycle with steroids . When you're on them, you feel like they are your life line... you need to be on them. When you're off them you realize how much better everything is (except putting on muscle and being horny nonstop). My blood pressure is lower, I no longer have sleep apnea, I no longer have GERD, I no longer feel like I'm going to die every time I have sex, I can actually walk up a hill, my muscles don't cramp up constantly. It's not until you're in the hospital when you realize how dumb this "hobby" really is. It's pointless. You're not going to keep all that muscle. I suggest anyone just take a TRT dose only if you need to... I too had really bad acid reflux but it has calmed way down since getting off everything. I feel so much better, health-wise.
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02-26-2023, 10:02 PM #13
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02-27-2023, 12:33 PM #15
I fixed my acid reflux which was really really bad.
By changing my diet minimal vegable carbs and 0 alcohol and it disappeared within 3 weeks I now have 0 issues bar when I went off the food plan I eat now.
This was the best thing I have ever done for just my quality of sleep and overall health. I too was forever trying to figure out why I would have constant sore throats and run down. It was the acid reflux and poor diet which caused the reflux it was a never ending cycle
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What a roid hater
Lol
Roids can cause all kinds of shit, at any point in your life
But, many health issues aren't "directly" related - but, who knows - In your case, if it's bad enough to where it's interfering with your training, diet, etc. - I'd drop to just only enough test till you figure it out - just because you're not really being able to get juiced to your wanted potential, so it's kind of a waste
In my case with my gi BS, it's my gallbladder. It comes in & out when it wants - I pass gallstones semi regularly now. IMO it's related to my high estrogen caused by of course - my roids < but, that's just my opinion. . . . But, now at least I know how to deal with it better - sorta
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02-27-2023, 04:45 PM #17
The last 18 months or so ive struggled with it but thankfully this year it has disappeared. I blame covid bc immediately after i had round 2 of covid i had fuckin hellfire acid reflux even had the scope down my throat and all that but it’s finally went away on its on
I still take protonix prescription just in case but will ween myself off of it eventually.
But yeah some AAS definitely will cause it
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02-27-2023, 07:15 PM #18
Honestly I’ve been very lucky with how my body handles steroids . I don’t experience any negative sides, except terrible acne on my back. I do wonder if steroids m themselves or all the over-eating I’ve done have caused this reflux problem. Because as far as I know it doesn’t run in the family.
You’re very right about it being pointless to try to gain all this muscle we’re never going to keep and put our bodies at risk, but it does bring me a little bit of joy and it’s about the only thing I can do right now that makes me somewhat happy.
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02-27-2023, 07:17 PM #19
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02-27-2023, 07:25 PM #20
I’m really hoping it’s not caused by aas. Never had an issue before but I’m not sure if it’s a coincidence or not but I was about 4 weeks into this current blast I’m on when all this started.
I’m taking test and deca .. moderate doses too. Doesn’t really get more bland than that. I would also like to say that I was off all aas for months at a time within the past couple years so we could have our two children and my reflux was still there.
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02-27-2023, 08:39 PM #21
Yup, sounding like a hater. I have the same issue with my gallbladder. When I was having the stomach pains and got an endoscopy, I asked the doctor about it. He said what you said about high estrogen causing gallbladder stones in men who take steroids .
I hear you. That’s kind of how I felt when I started them. They got me out of a rut at the time. I don’t regret anything really. Just stopping for the last 6 months made me realize how much bs I was dealing with even just being on TRT at 245 lbs. I had sleep apnea, needed to donate blood every 2 months, occasional mood issues, and then had some health issues, gallbladder pain, shingles, appendicitis. Creatinine and egfr at their normal limits, hematocrit always on the higher side. It might be related to the eating and body weight in addition to the steroids, I don’t know. Just so many things just to have an extra inch on my arms and 10 extra lbs of lean mass. In a way I kind of take it as a blessing that I may be more sensitive to steroids since I can never really overdo them. I never went over 1000 mg total per week. When I get back on, I’m gonna stick to lower doses and just try to make my current weight of 235 look better.
Anyway, if some acne and acid reflux are the only side effects you are experiencing from steroids, then I consider you lucky. For me, sugary foods, alcohol (except gin and soda/tonic), spicy foods, tomato sauces, and fried foods all messed me up. Seems like you already made a lot of changes to your diet, so I’m not sure what else to say but I hope you find the issue and feel better.
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02-27-2023, 11:03 PM #22
Shit Man. I'd try living off boiled chicken breast and light breads for a while then. Give your body a chance to heal.
I know your ENT GI and PCP won't probably talk about it, but have you ever looked in to BPC157? I hear good things about it treating GERD and protecting the esophagus
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02-27-2023, 11:40 PM #23
My daughter had a bunch of problem when she was younger, pre teen and had to see several throat/acid re-flux specialist. She had I believe 3 different endoscopy procedures to try to figure out what was wrong. Tried all the normal meds. Nothing seemed to really work or not for long.
She has managed most of it by figuring out what she was allergic to. One of the main things was Yellow #5? It also triggered migraines with her.
What are the side effects of yellow No 5?
It is a nitrous derivative and is known to cause allergic reactions such as asthma and urticaria, as well as having been the focus of studies on mutagenesis and carcinogenesis due to its transformation into aromatic amine sulfanilic acid after being metabolized by the gastrointestinal microflora.
Reactions to food dyes are seen as a food intolerance, not an allergy, but symptoms include upset stomach and headache. Dyes are generally used in highly processed and extremely sugary foods, which you should be limiting anyway
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02-28-2023, 06:38 AM #24
My daughter said eat something every 3 or 4 hour, making sure to eat before taking any medication, Sugar and carbonation makes it worse also.
Basically fixing her diet made it go away for the most part.
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02-28-2023, 06:43 PM #25
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02-28-2023, 06:44 PM #26
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02-28-2023, 06:47 PM #27
I don’t eat much, if any processed food but maybe I’ll have to check some of the drinks I have, although I really mostly drink water. I do try to eat frequently, I really have to to be able to get my calories in. The only thing I know will for sure mess me up is eating any kind of food with red sauce (pizza, lasagna, pasta) right before bed will really mess me up.
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02-28-2023, 06:54 PM #28
I had my appointment for the barium swallow yesterday. That’s were they have you swallow a liquid they can see on an X-ray. They have you swallow it, and they follow it down with the X-ray machine and see if it comes back up. Mine showed no reflux. I kind of figured it wouldn’t because I’m not having heartburn nor do I feel any reflux during the day. I feel like my nights are the worst. And all these symptoms I’m having now are new as of December. From everything I’m reading I think this is LPR or silent reflux. I just hope I can get it under control because my throat is killing me and this constant cough and clearing my throat is getting old.
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02-28-2023, 08:16 PM #29
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03-01-2023, 06:04 AM #30
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03-01-2023, 09:46 AM #31
Pardon the pun but there's a lot to digest here!
Why is it taking so long for the Endoscopy? It's really important to determine damage to your espohagus.
You mentioned not having issues during the day, just at night. Daytime you're on your feet. Night time you're laying flat where stomach acids can rise and cause damage. Elevate the head of your bed an inch or two.
Honkey Kong is on point with BPC-157. Google it and read up on PubMed as well.
I have Barretts Syndrome (damaged esophagus due to acid reflux) which if unchecked can turn into cancer. My doctor described it like having a skinned knee but on your esophagus. Not actively bleeding but weeping. Then add in long term omeprazole to control reflux and over time the omeprazole can inhibit iron absorption causing low iron. I'm dealing with that issue now. I posted on this previously but to recap, my iron saturation level was less than 5, scale is 15-55. No wonder I was exhausted all the time. Asked doc about going eod with omeprazole and he said sure, if you want to raise you cancer risk by %50. Ahhh, no.
This led to several iron infusions when then blow your RBC's, hemo and hema out of the water to raise your iron level. It puts you on a see-saw trying to balance iron and your rbc's. It's a real pain in the ass. Currently I'm dumping small amounts of blood EOW for a period of time and taking an iron supplement (per hematologist) to try and improve my numbers. The infusions raised my saturation level to 16 but they dropped again to less than 10 therefore their plan is as I just described. Know that men should not need Iron supplements as we don't menstruate (most of us anyway).
Just an fyi.
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03-02-2023, 04:17 AM #32
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03-02-2023, 04:27 AM #33
No blood pressure meds. All these symptoms are new as of December last year. I made the mistake of eating some pasta right before bed and woke up that night coughing uncontrollably. That was December 19th, and I have basically had a sore throat ever since. The first two weeks after that night it was the worst throat pain I’ve ever had.
Up until then, I never had this issue and I literally ate just about whatever I wanted and did whatever I wanted and as long as I took my 20mg of otc omeprazole I was fine.
I believe it was end of October or early November that same year i mentioned to my primary care doctor I had been on ppi’s for awhile now, so he referred me to a gi specialist and prescribed me omeprazole to help save me some money. The omeprazole he put me on was 40mg.
So only two things changed I can see in the months leading up to this. I went from 20mg of omeprazole to 40mg. And about 4 weeks before this started I went from 125mg of test e per week to 500mg of test e and 500mg of deca .
I can’t imagine taking more omeprazole causing other issues I didn’t have before? And I’m worried it can’t be a coincidence that I started using more gear and I had this symptoms. But I’ve never had this issue before, even when running more gear, orals, tren , etc. and I really can’t seem to find anything definitive stating aas can cause this.
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03-02-2023, 04:46 AM #34
The endoscopy was originally scheduled for February 14th. I know this seems stupid but wanted to reschedule it because it was an afternoon appointment and I didn’t want to spend the whole day not eating or drinking. The earliest morning appointment they had wasn’t until June but I scheduled it anyways as I really wasn’t having these issues at that time. But I rescheduled it again to later this month because I’m really curious now to find out what is going on and hopefully have a solution.
I’ve actually got the head of my bed up on jack stands right now haha. I elevated it the 6” everyone seems to recommend. Tonight was my first night sleeping like that. It wasn’t too bad.
My doctor mentioned the iron issue on a ppi, his advice was basically take a multivitamin and that was it.
I really think I have LPR, or silent reflux. I read that’s pretty difficult to recover from and to treat. I think it’s affecting my sinuses too as I feel like I have a cold, especially at night or when I first wake up. And again, on both occasions (December 19th and Friday of last week) I ate food with red sauce too close to bed, woke up that night coughing, and then spent the next couple weeks feeling sick, terrible sore throat, always clearing my throat and coughing.
I have had actual acid reflux a couple times before where I’ve woke up choking and unable to breathe and I could feel the acid burning me. But never did that even leave me with a sore throat, not even the next day. I think this is different, which is why I think it’s LPR and it’s pepcin irritating my throat and sinuses.
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03-02-2023, 01:12 PM #35
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03-02-2023, 06:57 PM #36
I saw the throat specialist again today. He put a camera down my throat again and took a look. My ulcer is worse, I have two now. My throat is pretty red. He wants me to take another 40mg of pantoprazole 45 minutes before dinner. This is in addition to the 40mg of pantoprazole I’m taking in the morning and 40mg of famotidine I take before bed. This is only temporary until things get under control.
He’s really stressing I drink nothing but water for a couple months. No pre workout, no Gatorade, flavored water, etc. Absolutely nothing but just plain water. As far as food I need to eat lean protein like chicken, fish, eggs, and vegetables. No more protein powder either. I eat clean 90% of the time so the food isn’t a huge deal. We do like to get take out on the weekends… usually nothing more than 3 times and it’s usually burgers and fries, which never seemed to bother me but I’m sure the doctor would say absolutely not.
This is going to be tough… basically anything that brought me a little bit of joy I have to give up for god knows how long. But the pain in my throat and all the other symptoms are about enough to make me go through with this.
I think I should also give up the cialis. I use chewing tobacco very moderately too but I am going to give that up too. I’m also going to drop back down to a trt dose and give up on this blast in case the gear is part of the problem… and I’m not able to eat the way I need to to make progress so I might as well quit it anyways.
I guess maybe one good thing that might come out of this is I’ll get very lean on this crazy diet I have to be on.
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03-02-2023, 09:11 PM #37
Just reading your thread and sounds painful. You’ve been thru enough!!
Your doctor’s recommendation of food caught my eye!!!
I had acid reflux - very mild case in comparison. I’ve had no issues once removing refined sugar of all kinds and refined four of all kinds - basically no processed foods, no alcohol, no bread, no candy….)
Protein, fat, grain (potato, sweet potato, rice), fruit and a ton of veggies! I do still take coffee…it’s my joy every morning.
I hope you get relief!! Quickly!!!
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Ouch man,
Dunno if I have an ulcer or 2 - I don’t think so, considering I can slam 5 shots of tequila and not have issues
A friend of mine that does have two ulcers tried drinking for the first time in months right in front of me. He straight buckled within about 5mins of him drinking one shot.
I still do daily cialis too + I just started a decent dose of Var, dropped the Deca tho
Gotta let those fuckers heal when you know of their presence. About a year is what it takes, of clean eating - no smoking or other related BS, including booze < is what I gather
GL man
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03-03-2023, 06:24 PM #39
Appreciate the kind words! The food isn’t a huge change for me, I’m having a harder time with the drinks for sure. I was drinking sugar free drinks but the issue I guess is the citric acid, carbonation, and caffeine. Hopefully I can push through this, get healed up, and then be able to live a somewhat normal life lol.
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03-03-2023, 06:32 PM #40
Yeah I’m looking at at least a couple months of this… I think I see this guy again in may. I do have my endoscopy in two weeks, but unless that shows something different, it’s looking like this is what I have to do to get past this.
Cialis always gave me heart burn before I was on ppi’s full time. I haven’t had a problem with it in awhile because of the ppi’s I take, but I’m still going to cut it out unfortunately.
You’d appreciate this bro- I have the head of my bed elevated with two 3 ton jack stands haha. I’ve actually surprisingly been able to sleep with my bed this way. Going to try it for another week or so and see if it helps.
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