Another mass shooting

[almostgone]

Is there an estimated 25 million of those out here in the US (like the AR-15)? Must be if they’re that good I’m guessing. Go Ruger!

Not 25 million ..... over 3 million. Good market share for one company. So.....12%> Not too shabby and very prevalent.

It just isn't black and have a collapsible stock from the factory. Otherwise...a kissing cousin to an AR. Actually better quality than some of the brands of ARs that are on the market.

You just have people that don't know or can't discern the facts and they get wound tighter than a banjo string and they go into "Reddit" or "Quora" mode.

[teedoff]

It's the only way to maintain a semblance of order. BC didn't create this place to make it an online bitchfest fueled by instigators and haters

Passion for your topic is one thing ....hell, it's great if you're capable of communicating it in an adult manner.

When people start getting out of hand, you have to rattle the cage or thin the herd, you know?

I'm just trying to keep it down to a dull roar.

Thank you. I do get very passionate. Especially when some who doesn't live here and has probably never even owned or shot a weapon, wants to start telling me how I should live.

We all hate these idiots and mass shootings. Passing more restrictive laws do NOTHING to stop that. How's the VERY restrictive drug laws working?

Hell, ironically steroids have been against the law for decades, yet here we are, OP included I assume, talking about buying and using said unlawful products. You think banning guns will have any better outcome? Personally, I'd rather be somewhat equal in a fight, whether it's fists or those dreaded "assault" rifles. Superior if I can help it!

[almostgone]

Just bought stocks in it and Smith and Wesson yesterday. Gun sales traditionally go up after mass shootings (and election years when gun rights are an issue). Don’t know bought how much Coyotes and Snakes affect sales, but mass shooting people? Killing people is business & business is good. Now I have to listen to Megadeath, lol.

Coyotes and pests have an effect. Since idiots illegally bought them in to run hounds, the coyote population has exploded. A 30% decrease since ~ 2022 in the deer population.....and you can imagine what hit cattle farmers have taken.


Edit: You would be amazed at the damage from feral hogs.... seriously.

[s1nc1ty]

If this is a friendly discussion, then stop with the cowardly name calling bullshit!

So now according to you, I'm a coward cause I own one? Really?? I own an ar15. Its a freaking rifle just like any other rifle! The ONLY difference is it has railing to mount scopes or lights or whatever.

Just because it looks scary to you, means nothing. I don't come to your country and tell you how to live and what to by or not by.

I'm so tired of the anti gun, anti American bullshit. If not for us, you'd all be goose stepping now. And if mods or any others don't like this response, remove it.

I didnt mean you are coward because you own it . I meant its the cowards who use them like in the mass shootings. You never used it for its intended purposes and never will

Why you americans get so triggered by this topic? This is just discussion. The fact it brings on such emotional reaction from you guys, it means there is truth to what is sayd here. Or else you woudlnt give a fuck


God bless America

[wango]

Coyotes and pests have an effect. Since idiots illegally bought them in to run hounds, the coyote population has exploded. A 30% decrease since ~ 2022 in the deer population.....and you can imagine what hit cattle farmers have taken.


Edit: You would be amazed at the damage from feral hogs.... seriously.

Not many feral hogs in Maine bowling alleys, but I guess the term “pests” could apply (dependent upon the shooters frame of mind) so I just went with statistics regarding mass killings of people . . .

[almostgone]

Not many feral hogs in Maine bowling alleys, but I guess the term “pests” could apply (dependent upon the shooters frame of mind) so I just went with statistics regarding mass killings of people . . .

If you want to get picky we can get picky. I'm just pointing out that for people that live in rural areas, it's a useful tool.

Is it more palatable when I point out that 35 out of 50 states have problems keeping up with eradication of feral hogs?

Do dollars work better? The average annual cost of damage by feral hogs is 1.5 billion. That nothing compared to government waste, but for farmers, that money, for some that's their living.

Does the government have some ridiculous loopholes and a lot of work to do towards monitoring lunatics? Absolutely.

[almostgone]

If the government was proactive, they would have addressed what is printed below. They didn't act and I hope that rests heavily on their minds.

A Maine law enforcement bulletin described Card as a trained firearms instructor who recently said he had been hearing voices and had other mental health issues.

He threatened to shoot up the National Guard base in Saco and was "reported to have been committed to mental health facility for two weeks during summer 2023 and subsequently released," according to the bulletin from the Maine Information & Analysis Center, a unit of the state police.


They had the chance to act, instead of react, and blew it.

[wango]

If you want to get picky we can get picky. I'm just pointing out that for people that live in rural areas, it's a useful tool.

Is it more palatable when I point out that 35 out of 50 states have problems keeping up with eradication of feral hogs?

Do dollars work better? The average annual cost of damage by feral hogs is 1.5 billion. That nothing compared to government waste, but for farmers, that money, for some that's their living.

Does the government have some ridiculous loopholes and a lot of work to do towards monitoring lunatics? Absolutely.

Huh? Whose picky? This thread is about mass shootings (of people). The shooter used an AR-15 and not the other guns you mentioned. I bought Ruger stock because they make the AR-15 and those sales often climb after mass shootings of people.

If you want to detour this thread and make it about shooting feral pigs or guns other than that used in this recent mass shooting (and many others) that’s your right of course, but that ain’t what this thread is really about. I’m simply re-focusing on this thread, the mass shooting of people, not killing snakes, pigs and snakes.

[wango]

Interesting and tragic. Stoner made an optimal weapon for the easier and more efficient way of killing more people quicker in the military. The weapon was also designed for massive tissue destruction in those it was designed for in the military.

Lucky for me in that I now get to profit from its popularity and usage in day to day life. Killing is business and business is good!

[almostgone]

Huh? Whose picky? This thread is about mass shootings (of people). The shooter used an AR-15 and not the other guns you mentioned. I bought Ruger stock because they make the AR-15 and those sales often climb after mass shootings of people.

If you want to detour this thread and make it about shooting feral pigs or guns other than that used in this recent mass shooting (and many others) that’s your right of course, but that ain’t what this thread is really about. I’m simply re-focusing on this thread, the mass shooting of people, not killing snakes, pigs and snakes.

LOL, not derailing this thread, but have been watching and not seeing much said that they already had been reports of mental illness and odd behavior, yet I've seen very, very little posted about that. No one wants to address that

I presented the other side of the coin that there are legitimate uses of semi-automatic rifles. A lot that people who don't live rural take into consideration.

That's ok. Snarkiness noted for future reference. Although the insertion of pests into the situation of murdered people was pretty slack.

[almostgone]

Interesting and tragic. Stoner made an optimal weapon for the easier and more efficient way of killing more people quicker in the military. The weapon was also designed for massive tissue destruction in those it was designed for in the military.

Lucky for me in that I now get to profit from its popularity and usage in day to day life. Killing is business and business is good!

Lesser caliber than most hunting rifles, but have your fun. The results are additive or cumulative. However you want to approach it.

[almostgone]

Everyone, excuse me for corrupting the thread. I'll just sit back and monitor so I don't detract from the topic.
Prox has spoken.

[almostgone]

Still, I mean....2 months warning and no action was taken.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...dly-rcna122353

[XnavyHMCS]

Still, I mean....2 months warning and no action was taken.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...dly-rcna122353

Where were these preposterous Red Flag laws; or doesn't Maine have those?

[almostgone]

Where were these preposterous Red Flag laws; or doesn't Maine have those?

Unfortunately, they do not.

I don't know his Reserve status, but if he was full-time AGR, they should have been all over it in a flash. Even if he wasn't full-time, some cursory interviews should have been made.

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....a firearms instructor and longtime member of the Army Reserve, began to hear voices that were saying “horrible” things about him a couple of months ago when he was fitted for high-powered hearing aids, said Katie Card, who is married to his brother.

“He was picking up voices that he had never heard,” she told NBC News. “His mind was twisting them around. He was humiliated by the things that he thought were being said.”


You would think that would warrant a 72 hour psychiatric hold at a minimum, while the firearm issue was addressed.

[almostgone]

Maine's laws are less well-defined than most Southern states.

SC requires a circuit judge or county court judge of this State to adjudge said individual unfit to carry or possess a firearm. It also includes people undergoing mental health treatment.

[wango]

Lesser caliber than most hunting rifles, but have your fun. The results are additive or cumulative. However you want to approach it.

Yet he and many other mass shooters do not choose most hunting rifles with a larger caliper, they choose to approach it with a caliper that was specifically designated for quicker and easier mass killings and greater total volumes of severe tissue damage by virtue of shots per minute.

I’m guessing this mass shooter like others before him opted for the rifle that offered the cumulative approach. Regrettably, his voices steered him in the grisly correct choice of rifles, by virtue of the amount of victims.

I’d offer thoughts and prayers, but considering that’s done for so many mass shootings & little else is done; the words seem empty in their saying. The thought is there, however.

[almostgone]

Yet he and many other mass shooters do not choose most hunting rifles with a larger caliper, they choose to approach it with a caliper that was specifically designated for quicker and easier mass killings and greater total volumes of severe tissue damage by virtue of shots per minute.

I’m guessing this mass shooter like others before him opted for the rifle that offered the cumulative approach. Regrettably, his voices steered him in the grisly correct choice of rifles, by virtue of the amount of victims.

I’d offer thoughts and prayers, but considering that’s done for so many mass shootings & little else is done; the words seem empty in their saying. The thought is there, however.

An AR is no faster than any other semi-automatic rifle. 1 round per squeeze of trigger. The caveat to that would be if the round compared to the .226/5.56 NATO had a appreciably longer overall length. That would slightly lower cycle time.

Again, 1 round per squeeze of the trigger. An AR is not select fire. Select fire in an M4/M16 platform has a 3 position selector switch:
Safe
Semi
Auto ( there use to be a 3 round burst in lieu of Auto. It was problematic and eliminated). These are truly an assault rifle

AR-15 selector switch has 2 positions:
Safe
Semi


Might as well keep the facts straight.

[Test Monsterone]

The gun specs don’t really matter. The lives matter. The way they described the condition of the victims in Uvalde… body parts ripped off, catastrophic damage, it seems like the AR-15 is powerful enough. I wonder if they showed the results of the carnage on tv and in the media, with before and after pictures of each victim, and a website that shows a picture and description of every person killed by such weapons if people would change their tune?

I guarantee all the the gun ho people would change their tune about gun laws if their daughter was murdered by a lunatic who should have never been able to purchase a weapon in the first place.

The thing is that what we are asking for is what any sane person should be asking for but gun nuts act like we want to cut their dicks off. It’s pathetic and shameful. It wouldn’t even affect them as long as they are decent people. “Gun laws don’t work.” Yeah ok, they don’t work except in the rest of the world where they do work.

[almostgone]

The gun specs don’t really matter. The lives matter. The way they described the condition of the victims in Uvalde… body parts ripped off, catastrophic damage, it seems like the AR-15 is powerful enough. I wonder if they showed the results of the carnage on tv and in the media, with before and after pictures of each victim, and a website that shows a picture and description of every person killed by such weapons if people would change their tune?

I guarantee all the the gun ho people would change their tune about gun laws if their daughter was murdered by a lunatic who should have never been able to purchase a weapon in the first place.

The thing is that what we are asking for is what any sane person should be asking for but gun nuts act like we want to cut their dicks off. It’s pathetic and shameful. It wouldn’t even affect them as long as they are decent people. “Gun laws don’t work.” Yeah ok, they don’t work except in the rest of the world where they do work.

You would be wrong.....Fuck it. If I told you the story you'd weasel around it.

[almostgone]

The gun specs don’t really matter. The lives matter. The way they described the condition of the victims in Uvalde… body parts ripped off, catastrophic damage, it seems like the AR-15 is powerful enough. I wonder if they showed the results of the carnage on tv and in the media, with before and after pictures of each victim, and a website that shows a picture and description of every person killed by such weapons if people would change their tune?

I guarantee all the the gun ho people would change their tune about gun laws if their daughter was murdered by a lunatic who should have never been able to purchase a weapon in the first place.

The thing is that what we are asking for is what any sane person should be asking for but gun nuts act like we want to cut their dicks off. It’s pathetic and shameful. It wouldn’t even affect them as long as they are decent people. “Gun laws don’t work.” Yeah ok, they don’t work except in the rest of the world where they do work.

I was correcting misinformation so it's relevant.

[Cylon357]

Just bought stocks in it and Smith and Wesson yesterday. Gun sales traditionally go up after mass shootings (and election years when gun rights are an issue). Don’t know bought how much Coyotes and Snakes affect sales, but mass shooting people? Killing people is business & business is good. Now I have to listen to Megadeath, lol.

Nothing like some "Symphony of Destruction"!

Except maybe walking down the street, earbuds in,muttering along to "Sweating Bullets" lol

[Cylon357]

Is there an estimated 25 million of those out here in the US (like the AR-15)? Must be if they’re that good I’m guessing. Go Ruger!

The Mini-14 is an excellent firearm, no doubt, and to AGs point, a kissing cousin to the AR.

The AR probably gets the hate because it is black...

[almostgone]

The gun specs don’t really matter. The lives matter. The way they described the condition of the victims in Uvalde… body parts ripped off, catastrophic damage, it seems like the AR-15 is powerful enough. I wonder if they showed the results of the carnage on tv and in the media, with before and after pictures of each victim, and a website that shows a picture and description of every person killed by such weapons if people would change their tune?

I guarantee all the the gun ho people would change their tune about gun laws if their daughter was murdered by a lunatic who should have never been able to purchase a weapon in the first place.

The thing is that what we are asking for is what any sane person should be asking for but gun nuts act like we want to cut their dicks off. It’s pathetic and shameful. It wouldn’t even affect them as long as they are decent people. “Gun laws don’t work.” Yeah ok, they don’t work except in the rest of the world where they do work.

When they're calling for total bans of a platform, then yes, it most certainly affects people with no criminal intent.

Oh, wait.....I'm one of the hillbillies you mentioned earlier in the thread; that must be it.


Bwahahahaha, more afraid of a hillbilly. Some of the nicest people in the world and usually the first to help someone in need.

Anyway, y'all ramble on. I have a shitload of .8 mm holes to drill, then backfill with the laser welder so I can get this mold to preheat.

Gun legislation won't affect legit people...that's rich. They'll be the ones most affected because they're legit citizens.

[teedoff]

The Mini-14 is an excellent firearm, no doubt, and to AGs point, a kissing cousin to the AR.

The AR probably gets the hate because it is black...

And it looks scary. Especially to people who've never even seen or held one in real life.

Media sensationalizes crap like this, including the weapon the scumbag used, because it fits the eventual gun ban/confiscation narrative.

I swear. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist guy, but I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, some of these are planned!

BTW

[almostgone]

And it looks scary. Especially to people who've never even seen or held one in real life.

Media sensationalizes crap like this, including the weapon the scumbag used, because it fits the eventual gun ban/confiscation narrative.

I swear. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist guy, but I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, some of these are planned!

BTW

Last time they had the AWB, they targeted the pistol grip the bayonet lug, and certain high capacity mags.

Those pistol grips and bayonet lugs were a huge menace to society. Those were really deadly features. Did they ding flash suppressors, too?

[Test Monsterone]

And it looks scary. Especially to people who've never even seen or held one in real life.

Media sensationalizes crap like this, including the weapon the scumbag used, because it fits the eventual gun ban/confiscation narrative.

I swear. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist guy, but I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe, some of these are planned!

BTW

In that pic, the gun on the bottom is clearly scaled way down, you can tell just by the trigger and the barrel. It would be a lot longer than the one above. Is the reason they use AR-15s because they are more portable? It would be kinda hard to aim and shoot quickly with a broomstick.

[Test Monsterone]

When they're calling for total bans of a platform, then yes, it most certainly affects people with no criminal intent.

Oh, wait.....I'm one of the hillbillies you mentioned earlier in the thread; that must be it.


Bwahahahaha, more afraid of a hillbilly. Some of the nicest people in the world and usually the first to help someone in need.

Anyway, y'all ramble on. I have a shitload of .8 mm holes to drill, then backfill with the laser welder so I can get this mold to preheat.

Gun legislation won't affect legit people...that's rich. They'll be the ones most affected because they're legit citizens.

You're taking what I said as a joke literally. I was talking about the stereotypical west virginia crazy dude who snaps and goes on a rampage. Plus I don't really consider people on this forum hillbillies, but if you consider yourself one, then my apologies.

I haven't been watching the news so I'm not sure what they're calling on, but I wouldn't agree with banning an entire platform cause I understand the idea behind being able to protect yourself - even though I know it wouldn't work against our government or whatever other end of times scenario has been described. Regardless, this forum is a microcosm of society and everyone has their opinions. I'm not a lawmaker or a politician, but if I was, I'd be willing to compromise and at least enforce the laws in a realistic way. Maybe things are enforced and some people just slip through, but this most recent one seems like a clear cut situation to me. That guy should not have been with those types of weapons. If I was the law, whoever sold him his guns and ammo should be doing 10-15. That's the only way we're gonna end these shootings or reduce them significantly.

[teedoff]

You're taking what I said as a joke literally. I was talking about the stereotypical west virginia crazy dude who snaps and goes on a rampage. Plus I don't really consider people on this forum hillbillies, but if you consider yourself one, then my apologies.

I haven't been watching the news so I'm not sure what they're calling on, but I wouldn't agree with banning an entire platform cause I understand the idea behind being able to protect yourself - even though I know it wouldn't work against our government or whatever other end of times scenario has been described. Regardless, this forum is a microcosm of society and everyone has their opinions. I'm not a lawmaker or a politician, but if I was, I'd be willing to compromise and at least enforce the laws in a realistic way. Maybe things are enforced and some people just slip through, but this most recent one seems like a clear cut situation to me. That guy should not have been with those types of weapons. If I was the law, whoever sold him his guns and ammo should be doing 10-15. That's the only way we're gonna end these shootings or reduce them significantly.

Now you're talking some sense. We have laws in place....murder is murder. Back in the 80s early 90s, Local politicians and lawmakers/police start really cracking down on drunk driving. We had a bar that was REALLY popular. I think it might have been the first bar owner ever,,,,at least in this state, that was charged for a patron who was served way more drinks that they should have, left the bar, and killed someone. Guess what happened to the bar? Yup. Closed down, hit with law suits, and owner served time as well as the drunk driver that killed someone.

Now, there are laws and guidelines put in place regarding how many drinks a customer can be served. Guess who that targets....the drunk AND the bars. NOT the casual patron who knows they can only drink one drink in an hour or know they have to call uber to get home.

Again, I whole heartedly agree with gun regulations with regards to who can and can't own weapons. Personally, I believe if you're a responsible, sane person, you should be able to own a bazooka if you want, but lets enforce the laws we currently have to deter those who would break the laws and leave good people alone to have their "toys" and hobbies.

[almostgone]

You're taking what I said as a joke literally. I was talking about the stereotypical west virginia crazy dude who snaps and goes on a rampage. Plus I don't really consider people on this forum hillbillies, but if you consider yourself one, then my apologies.

I haven't been watching the news so I'm not sure what they're calling on, but I wouldn't agree with banning an entire platform cause I understand the idea behind being able to protect yourself - even though I know it wouldn't work against our government or whatever other end of times scenario has been described. Regardless, this forum is a microcosm of society and everyone has their opinions. I'm not a lawmaker or a politician, but if I was, I'd be willing to compromise and at least enforce the laws in a realistic way. Maybe things are enforced and some people just slip through, but this most recent one seems like a clear cut situation to me. That guy should not have been with those types of weapons. If I was the law, whoever sold him his guns and ammo should be doing 10-15. That's the only way we're gonna end these shootings or reduce them significantly.

He was reported months ahead for unstable behavior. That is when it should have been addressed. That's where the ball was dropped. He was reported to LE and the Army. No action taken.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...dly-rcna122353

The family of the Army reservist accused of fatally shooting more than a dozen people in Lewiston, Maine, alerted police and military officials that he was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the Wednesday night massacre, his sister-in-law said.

Robert Card, 40, a firearms instructor and longtime member of the Army Reserve, began to hear voices that were saying “horrible” things about him a couple of months ago when he was fitted for high-powered hearing aids, said Katie Card, who is married to his brother.

Follow along for live coverage

“He was picking up voices that he had never heard,” she told NBC News. “His mind was twisting them around. He was humiliated by the things that he thought were being said.”

Katie Card said the family did their best to reassure Robert Card that the comments were not real, including by verifying with some of the people he claimed had made the remarks.

But, she said, “it turned into a manic belief.”

“He was just very set in his belief that everyone was against him all of a sudden,” she said.

Robert Card, who was still at large Thursday, is accused of killing at least 18 people and injuring many others at a bar and a bowling alley, police said.

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In that pic, the gun on the bottom is clearly scaled way down, you can tell just by the trigger and the barrel. It would be a lot longer than the one above. Is the reason they use AR-15s because they are more portable? It would be kinda hard to aim and shoot quickly with a broomstick.

No, not too much really. Mini-14 is 38" long.
The AR-15 is 29-1/2" with the stock collapsed .

As best as I can recall from memory , the Mini-14 is about a handspan longer than the M4/ AR-15 with collapsed stock.

[almostgone]

You're taking what I said as a joke literally. I was talking about the stereotypical west virginia crazy dude who snaps and goes on a rampage. Plus I don't really consider people on this forum hillbillies, but if you consider yourself one, then my apologies.

I haven't been watching the news so I'm not sure what they're calling on, but I wouldn't agree with banning an entire platform cause I understand the idea behind being able to protect yourself - even though I know it wouldn't work against our government or whatever other end of times scenario has been described. Regardless, this forum is a microcosm of society and everyone has their opinions. I'm not a lawmaker or a politician, but if I was, I'd be willing to compromise and at least enforce the laws in a realistic way. Maybe things are enforced and some people just slip through, but this most recent one seems like a clear cut situation to me. That guy should not have been with those types of weapons. If I was the law, whoever sold him his guns and ammo should be doing 10-15. That's the only way we're gonna end these shootings or reduce them significantly.

No apology necessary, I was just f-in with you then. However, I am what many consider a hillbilly or redneck because I don't live in a city or town The nearest town has a sub-1200 population.

Most years we grow and can our own veggies, buy beef by the side, and any spare time I have us spent watching the farms of my neighbors ~ 1-1.5:miles away, helping them load cattle for sale, feeding the cattle and sheep when they're ill or if hey take the once in a blue moon vacation.

[Honkey_Kong]

I thought this much was obvious. This is just friendly discussion.

Just imo the ar15 is a cowards weapon. Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid .com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes. Why allow such people commit such acts by having such weapons easily obtainable... basically the psychos are only ones who really use those weapons. Others just jerk off to them, take them to the range or whatever just play with it. No need to have it completely imo. Less weapons, safer to live for everyone.

But yeah, i have no power over this nor do i care honestly, its just sad to see innocent women, children etc die at the hands of cowardly shits. If my family would live in the us i would not feel safe... i would be a little worried every day that they might get shot or whatever. Its a low chance i know, but in america, its possible you never know

You're an idiot if you think an AR15 is a "coward's weapon." It's a tool and nothing more than that. Somebody who wants to kill people will find a way to kill people whether it's with a spooky AR rifle, or if it's with a knife (like some of our welcomed Somalian refugees enjoy doing in Minnesota and Michigan). And as far as Kimbo rolling up to do some harm. That's just an argument that foreigners (including you) shouldn't be allowed in America in the first place.

And this nutcase in this alleged mass shooting, if everything as reported was true, should've been locked up for being a nutcase. We used to put crazy people in asylums and that's what we stopped doing relatively recently. Nutcases should be in asylums where they could get the help that they need. And if they can't be helped, would be removed from the general population so they can't harm the general population. We also used to prevent people from violent countries entry in to America. Now they're welcomed in as just "good people looking for the American dream."

[Honkey_Kong]

LOL, not derailing this thread, but have been watching and not seeing much said that they already had been reports of mental illness and odd behavior, yet I've seen very, very little posted about that. No one wants to address that

I presented the other side of the coin that there are legitimate uses of semi-automatic rifles. A lot that people who don't live rural take into consideration.

That's ok. Snarkiness noted for future reference. Although the insertion of pests into the situation of murdered people was pretty slack.

Nobody wants to address the fact that we used to lock up crazy people that shown signs of being crazy. They were considered dangers to themselves and others. We stop putting nutcases in asylums and the number of shooting increase. If we went back to what we used to do, this guy would've received the professional help he needed and a bunch of people would still be alive.

Instead we get more gun legislation and more closures of asylums that would be able to house these nutcases.

[wango]

The Mini-14 is an excellent firearm, no doubt, and to AGs point, a kissing cousin to the AR.

The AR probably gets the hate because it is black...

I can’t argue the fact of the excellence of it as a weapon (as I have no knowledge of it). I’m just stating from what I’ve read, I don’t know its relevance to mass killings & this particular thread.

I personally don’t judge by color.

[Cylon357]

I can’t argue the fact of the excellence of it as a weapon (as I have no knowledge of it). I’m just stating from what I’ve read, I don’t know its relevance to mass killings & this particular thread.

I personally don’t judge by color.

#BlackGunsMatter

[wango]

#BlackGunsMatter

I woke up to this?!? Well I’m happy I did. It really is a tragic event/thread. Both which need an ending in a better way.

[almostgone]

You're taking what I said as a joke literally. I was talking about the stereotypical west virginia crazy dude who snaps and goes on a rampage. Plus I don't really consider people on this forum hillbillies, but if you consider yourself one, then my apologies.

I haven't been watching the news so I'm not sure what they're calling on, but I wouldn't agree with banning an entire platform cause I understand the idea behind being able to protect yourself - even though I know it wouldn't work against our government or whatever other end of times scenario has been described. Regardless, this forum is a microcosm of society and everyone has their opinions. I'm not a lawmaker or a politician, but if I was, I'd be willing to compromise and at least enforce the laws in a realistic way. Maybe things are enforced and some people just slip through, but this most recent one seems like a clear cut situation to me. That guy should not have been with those types of weapons. If I was the law, whoever sold him his guns and ammo should be doing 10-15. That's the only way we're gonna end these shootings or reduce them significantly.

Re: In bold above. That's where you'll find common ground with a majority of the the Pro-2A crowd. When it was reported weeks ago by his own family that he was mentally unstable, there should have been a mechanism in place to address the mental illness and take precautions.

[wango]

Ironic . . .