Another mass shooting

[almostgone]

Ironic . . .

It's very sad for the victims and the families /friends that the funds weren't used.

[wango]

It's very sad for the victims and the families /friends that the funds weren't used.

And the fact that a weapon designed for the military and designed specifically to kill more people faster, easier and with a greater volume of damage is available to the (millions?) of mentally ill individuals that are out there.

[almostgone]

And the fact that a weapon designed for the military and designed specifically to kill more people faster, easier and with a greater volume of damage is available to the (millions?) of mentally ill individuals that are out there.

Yes.....there's a huge mental health problem out there. I won't dispute that.

[almostgone]

And the fact that a weapon designed for the military and designed specifically to kill more people faster, easier and with a greater volume of damage is available to the (millions?) of mentally ill individuals that are out there.

......and what really highlights that it is mental health issue and proved the point that it is at it root a mental health issue is that in 1986, the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act was enacted.

It prohibited the sale or transfer of any fully automatic weapons manufactured after May 19, 1986 with exceptions made for more those arms made prior to the aforementioned date. So less "weapons of war" on the streets to do harm to Innocents....and these were truly weapons of war; you're talking a cyclic rate of 700+ rounds per minute. These were strictly limited and the death roll continue to climb.

That Gun Control Act sure failed miserably. Perhaps people should look to the mental health crisis in our country. These firearms sure aren't lying around and sympathetically detonating to spew out rounds.

[wango]

Yes.....there's a huge mental health problem out there. I won't dispute that.

Absolutely! I’m wondering if the makers of these AR-15’s are aware of that fact (rhetorical)? In fact one of the heads of sales called it “seed planting” when they made agreements with video game makers to have the AR-15’s in the games. They also referred to it as a “gaming strategy “.

[almostgone]

It's a tragedy that the issue wasn't addressed by the authorities during the 2+ months that he was hearing voices and acting strangely.

Edit: Mistyped. See post# 102.

[almostgone]

Absolutely! I’m wondering if the makers of these AR-15’s are aware of that fact (rhetorical)? In fact one of the heads of sales called it “seed planting” when they made agreements with video game makers to have the AR-15’s in the games. They also referred to it as a “gaming strategy “.

Yep. There's another bad influence. Frigging violent video games that allow anyone to fantasize about going around killing people and living the thug life.
Just shows how sick and rampant mental illness is.

[wango]

It's a tragedy that the issue wasn't addressed with the authorities during the 2+ months that he was hearing voices and acting strangely.

Blame it on the family, they are part of the cause. Seriously, why didn’t they take more drastic steps, isn’t that what families do? Maybe it’s a Maine thing & that’s why they have all of that funding??? Maybe blame the 30 something percent that buy these AR-15’s for home self defense - because now the bad-guys have to up their choice of weapons, thus escalating the problem even more?(Hell I know I would if I wanted to illegally enter a home that I thought they were armed)?

There was a thread started 2 days ago on this very subject properly titled “We have a mental health crisis”. My response is there - essentially it’s game over & all of this is jabber.

To clarify, as was always intended; any $ we gain (and more) from our recent experimental investments will go to AR-15 mass killings victims family’s causes.

[wango]

Yep. There's another bad influence. Frigging violent video games that allow anyone to fantasize about going around killing people and living the thug life.
Just shows how sick and rampant mental illness is.

And you detoured around my point (again), the makers of the AR-15’s take advantage and it increases the chance of a mass killing with this particular weapon. Is “Call of Duty” about “thug life”, that’s where the guns were marketed first.

[almostgone]

The monies should have gone to treating the illness and handling that situation and preventing future incidents.

[almostgone]

And you detoured around my point (again), the makers of the AR-15’s take advantage and it increases the chance of a mass killing with this particular weapon. Is “Call of Duty” about “thug life”, that’s where the guns were marketed first.

I didn't detour around anything. I generally choose to ignore you, but sometimes I'll respond.

Which maker? I'm sure there isn't a consortium of firearms manufacturers that are targeting kids like the tobacco companies used to do.

If there's proof the manufacturer/ person that made the statement the the onus is on that individual and he/she should be punished.

I know Palmetto State Armory doesn't play that game. Daniel Defense doesn't it. Spike's doesn't play that game. Wyndham closed their doors. Who was it?

[almostgone]

If it's the Daniel Defense thing and Post Malone, take it up with Post Malone. If it's that Mother Jones article, that is hilarious because they'll print anything for a buck. They truly go out to offend on order to sell more. They're like the new National Enquirer.

[Cylon357]

I woke up to this?!? Well I’m happy I did. It really is a tragic event/thread. Both which need an ending in a better way.

You may have noticed I don't participate too seriously in these conversations. We aren't going to solve it, and chances are, no one is going to change their position on the issue because of what someone else said.

The discussion is certainly important, so don't let me rain on anybody else's parade. Me, I'm just gonna keep on training

[wango]

I didn't detour around anything. I generally choose to ignore you, but sometimes I'll respond.

Which maker? I'm sure there isn't a consortium of firearms manufacturers that are targeting kids like the tobacco companies used to do.

If there's proof the manufacturer/ person that made the statement the the onus is on that individual and he/she should be punished.

I know Palmetto State Armory doesn't play that game. Daniel Defense doesn't it. Spike's doesn't play that game. Wyndam closed their doors. Who was it?

At the time they were called “Freedom Group”.

Interesting you bringing up tobacco companies : “I felt that just like Camel cigarettes, if you introduce the kids to the brand at a young age, they’re gonna remember that brand”. He’s from DPMS Panther.

But wait, no kids or teens have mental issues do they? Nah, it’s not like a kid would participate in a mass shooting with one of their AR-15’s, would they? Spare me, consortium or not, they damn well knew the potential risks and went for the $. But hey, cigarettes kill more people than guns, so what’s the fuss really? Like I said before, meaningless jabber & game over.

[almostgone]

Wow.. because a Daniel Defense weapon was used in a tragedy a family has said DD is targeting children.

Umm, no.....that's the algorithm of TikTok, YouTube, and all of these other type sites.

[almostgone]

At the time they were called “Freedom Group”.

Interesting you bringing up tobacco companies : “I felt that just like Camel cigarettes, if you introduce the kids to the brand at a young age, they’re gonna remember that brand”. He’s from DPMS Panther.

But wait, no kids or teens have mental issues do they? Nah, it’s not like a kid would participate in a mass shooting with one of their AR-15’s, would they? Spare me, consortium or not, they damn well knew the potential risks and went for the $. But hey, cigarettes kill more people than guns, so what’s the fuss really? Like I said before, meaningless jabber & game over.

Sure they have mental issues. Have you seen what passes for family values and personal responsibility.

Prox, I really don't care if you dislike me or disagree with me....that's fine. But your argument is weak.

[almostgone]

You may have noticed I don't participate too seriously in these conversations. We aren't going to solve it, and chances are, no one is going to change their position on the issue because of what someone else said.

The discussion is certainly important, so don't let me rain on anybody else's parade. Me, I'm just gonna keep on training

I generally don't, but I'm working overtime and have a simulation running.

[wango]

You may have noticed I don't participate too seriously in these conversations. We aren't going to solve it, and chances are, no one is going to change their position on the issue because of what someone else said.

The discussion is certainly important, so don't let me rain on anybody else's parade. Me, I'm just gonna keep on training

Hey, this is just “killing” time for me. Honestly, this issue is ridiculous and it’s got no solution imo. This is just relaxed chatter.

No training today for me; rest day. But, big day tomorrow while watching RedZone! See you in the accountability section! Oh btw, reading a great book on Walter Payton. He’s still my favorite running back.

[almostgone]

At the time they were called “Freedom Group”.

Interesting you bringing up tobacco companies : “I felt that just like Camel cigarettes, if you introduce the kids to the brand at a young age, they’re gonna remember that brand”. He’s from DPMS Panther.

But wait, no kids or teens have mental issues do they? Nah, it’s not like a kid would participate in a mass shooting with one of their AR-15’s, would they? Spare me, consortium or not, they damn well knew the potential risks and went for the $. But hey, cigarettes kill more people than guns, so what’s the fuss really? Like I said before, meaningless jabber & game over.

Yep, looked them up. Just as I suspected, DD wasn't on the list. You can chalk that up to immoral greed.

Cerebrus Capital Management is driven by greed. They don't just monkey with firearms either, they're raiders, into everything, and will do anything to turn a buck.

There's your guilty party....Cerebrus.

[almostgone]

Finally... simulation done. Gotta go make some chips.

[wango]

Sure they have mental issues. Have you seen what passes for family values and personal responsibility.

Prox, I really don't care if you dislike me or disagree with me....that's fine. But your argument is weak.

I’ve taught teens & interacted with families and their values for over 20 years, yes I’m obviously aware.
It’s wango and as I’ve said with other people on the forum, I could care less about liking or disliking people here or how they feel about me. Exactly like I live my entire life. Why even bring that up? I am discussing an issue, not trying to bond, come to an agreement or argue. Did I dispute that there is a mental health problem? No, it’s obvious.

[almostgone]

Blame it on the family, they are part of the cause. Seriously, why didn’t they take more drastic steps, isn’t that what families do? Maybe it’s a Maine thing & that’s why they have all of that funding??? Maybe blame the 30 something percent that buy these AR-15’s for home self defense - because now the bad-guys have to up their choice of weapons, thus escalating the problem even more?(Hell I know I would if I wanted to illegally enter a home that I thought they were armed)?

There was a thread started 2 days ago on this very subject properly titled “We have a mental health crisis”. My response is there - essentially it’s game over & all of this is jabber.

To clarify, as was always intended; any $ we gain (and more) from our recent experimental investments will go to AR-15 mass killings victims family’s causes.

Parting comment. Got to finish up this day then one more loooong shift. After that, medical leave.

Absolutely disagree. All day long disagree. I messed up my typing there. "With" should have been "by".

I've already posting it several times. The family reported the odd behavior to the Army and to LE 2 months prior to the incident.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...dly-rcna122353



The family did their part and then some. I grieve for them as much as I grieve for the victims, their families, and their friends.

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I'll add one more thing, although Wango and I vehemently disagree at times, you'll notice not once did he call me a Republicunt, and I never called him a Libtard or whatever.

We just carried on a constant stream of disagreement.

[wango]

I'll add one more thing, although Wango and I vehemently disagree at times, you'll notice not once did he call me a Republicunt, and I never called him a Libtard or whatever.

We just carried on a constant stream of disagreement.

I agree. I’m trying to not take things personally on social media. I ain’t perfect, but I’m improving.

I really do want to clarify something however. My wife is liberal & I disagree with most of her political opinions & we haven’t killed each other,lol (See, I get my practice there). I’m not liberal! I can discuss some topics with any or many all of you & I will be the conservative.

This generalization business of our own citizens is killing this country. It’s making it incapable to have a conversation; that just can’t happen.

I applaud your point AG, thank you.

[XnavyHMCS]

No apology necessary, I was just f-in with you then. However, I am what many consider a hillbilly or redneck because I don't live in a city or town The nearest town has a sub-1200 population.

Most years we grow and can our own veggies, buy beef by the side, and any spare time I have us spent watching the farms of my neighbors ~ 1-1.5:miles away, helping them load cattle for sale, feeding the cattle and sheep when they're ill or if hey take the once in a blue moon vacation.

"Green Acres is the place to be! Farm livin is the life for me. Land, spreadin out so far and wide; keep Manhattan just gimme that countryside..."

Just came to my mind while I was perusing your prose....

[XnavyHMCS]

. Now they're welcomed in as just "good people looking for the American dream."

Now they're welcomed in as just "good democrats looking for the American Dream".

There you go H&K; fixed it for you...

[lovbyts]

I know its a big scary war gun.
BTW, do you now what has been similar in I believe 100% of mass shooters? They have all been on some type of anti depressant medication. If not 100% its in the high 90s%

[lovbyts]

I say that if someone sells a gun to anyone illegally, they get a mandatory 5 years in jail. If you don't bring the gun in every year for registration and to update your ownership of the weapon, the swat shows up at your house and you do 1 year in jail. Serious responsibilities require serious consequences. Laws are what keep us safe from each other. If you are that serious about owning weapons, then you should be held to a very serious standard.

I agree but that is also the Biggest problem with gun laws in the US IMO. Our government keeps restricting Legal gun owners and taking the consequences away from illegal selling and possession. I know it doesnt make sense but they have been doing it for at least 30 years. Makes me think they Want more gun crime so they can get to the point to remove them from everyone? When they do remove legal ownership then criminals will be the only one having them and everything will go to sh*t quickly.

Every country that has taken guns away from citizens had the same problem and had to at least double their police force to get the crime back down where it was before and that usually takes a couple of years.

Gun ownership is still one of the main reasons a few countries hold off on invading the US and yes I do believe this is true. I think we are also going to be tested about this very soon.

[stocky121]

I'll add one more thing, although Wango and I vehemently disagree at times, you'll notice not once did he call me a Republicunt, and I never called him a Libtard or whatever.

We just carried on a constant stream of disagreement.

Debate is good. Not everyone has all the answers and getting other people’s opinions about things, especially somewhere like this. It might make people think and slightly change the view on things.

I applaud you both.

[almostgone]

Debate is good. Not everyone has all the answers and getting other people’s opinions about things, especially somewhere like this. It might make people think and slightly change the view on things.

I applaud you both.

Thank you, Stocky. I'm still working at it myself, but I'm hoping it allows for more lounge discussion ( on the allowed topics) without things going off the rails.

I'm feeling pretty good about it considering it was completely off the cuff.

[stocky121]

Thank you, Stocky. I'm still working at it myself, but I'm hoping it allows for more lounge discussion ( on the allowed topics) without things going off the rails.

I'm feeling pretty good about it considering it was completely off the cuff.

I can also understand the other side. Where people get passionate about something they love also. The worst for me is the far left and right who just shut down a debate straight away because they can’t even understand someone else’s point of view.

[almostgone]

I can also understand the other side. Where people get passionate about something they love also. The worst for me is the far left and right who just shut down a debate straight away because they can’t even understand someone else’s point of view.

Yes sir, that effectively kills communication and turns into a huge echo chamber of conflict.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I know its a big scary war gun.
BTW, do you now what has been similar in I believe 100% of mass shooters? They have all been on some type of anti depressant medication. If not 100% its in the high 90s%

Denying guns to people who've been prescribed a mental medication in the past 5 years would be good. Or maybe 5 years for SSRI's, and 3 years for benzodiazapines.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Imagine if kimbo (no offence kimbo) rolled up to steroid.com headquarters with a trench coat and an ar15 and gunned down cuz, mooseman, you and everyone else who he dislikes.

I'm picturing a headquarters with top to bottom glass for the front entrance. Cuz and Moose have desks on the 2nd floor, both with a Dell Inspiron laptop, hardwired into the steroid.com mainframe for a ping of less than a millisecond. Moose has a headset with 'speech to text' because he can't type ever since the stroke.

Kimbo arrives, having strapped himself at 5am under Cuz's truck and braving the 11-mile trip along the Freeway to the headquarters. Kimbo waits patiently in the carpark for when Cuz and Moose go on their lunch break and roll the barbecue out of the janitor's closet and into the carpark.

Kimbo's lying in wait with his 7-shot Taurus .22 revolver.

I'm actually hoping to get a phone call next week from the police saying 'We are going to give you a firearms certificate as soon as your safe has been approved'.

[Cuz]

I can also understand the other side. Where people get passionate about something they love also. The worst for me is the far left and right who just shut down a debate straight away because they can’t even understand someone else’s point of view.

Absolutely Stocky. Its great to have a civil debate every now and then and I occasionally will. The problem is the left, doesn’t really understand alot of things and thats why I no longer argue over it because strong left leaning individuals just cant process common thinking sense. Politics are great to debate there’s always two sides and two differences or maybe even more. There seems to me an obvious right way to do things and a wrong way.
I look at American foreign policy, economics, lawmaking the whole 9 and just dont agree with the left id say about 90% of the time.

The difference is, disarming a nation and breaking that constitutional right , is NOT political. At all. Its not up for debate, at all. It just isnt and never will be. Constitutional freedoms are there for a reason. Im sorry the left wants to change it not happening. We sure aren’t changing the left leaning amendments. Theres a few I wouldn’t mind seeing changed myself but not happening.

Freedom isnt free. And the guns arent going anywhere. I love my God, I love my country, and I love my family and if anyone tries to change that then theyre gonna have to come through me.

[wango]

I can also understand the other side. Where people get passionate about something they love also. The worst for me is the far left and right who just shut down a debate straight away because they can’t even understand someone else’s point of view.

Exactly. 1/2 of the US can’t decide who’s good or bad by the brand of of beer they drink. We’re really going to discuss something serious?

[stocky121]

Absolutely Stocky. Its great to have a civil debate every now and then and I occasionally will. The problem is the left, doesn’t really understand alot of things and thats why I no longer argue over it because strong left leaning individuals just cant process common thinking sense. Politics are great to debate there’s always two sides and two differences or maybe even more. There seems to me an obvious right way to do things and a wrong way.
I look at American foreign policy, economics, lawmaking the whole 9 and just dont agree with the left id say about 90% of the time.

The difference is, disarming a nation and breaking that constitutional right , is NOT political. At all. Its not up for debate, at all. It just isnt and never will be. Constitutional freedoms are there for a reason. Im sorry the left wants to change it not happening. We sure aren’t changing the left leaning amendments. Theres a few I wouldn’t mind seeing changed myself but not happening.

Freedom isnt free. And the guns arent going anywhere. I love my God, I love my country, and I love my family and if anyone tries to change that then theyre gonna have to come through me.

I don’t know where I stand, I would say central but I like parts of both left and right. There was a guy who was running for prime minister I liked a lot of his policy’s. Re nationalisation of infrastructure and the likes. But the issue why I couldn’t vote for him was he wanted to scrap our nuclear deterrent. That was a red line for me.
On the other hand I think they need to bring back the death penalty, only for the most serious of crimes. I say once a week pay per view the gallows, only cheap say £1 and people can watch it if they want to or not. It would give out a clear signal not to commit crime. I know a lot of people would disagree and rightfully so, I would have 15 year ago. but I don’t see an alternative to get crime under control.
The same with illegal immigrants coming over on boats. I’m all for helping family’s under persecution coming for a better life and wanting to integrate with society. What I’m not for is fighting age males coming over on mass.
Use the money from the ppv for gun boats and turn them around, if not blast them out the sea. It would soon stop them.

[stocky121]

Exactly. 1/2 of the US can’t decide who’s good or bad by the brand of of beer they drink. We’re really going to discuss something serious?

Mate. Bud light should be band just on the taste alone, I think tap waters stronger.
Sorry my American friends.

[Test Monsterone]

The difference is, disarming a nation and breaking that constitutional right , is NOT political. At all. Its not up for debate, at all. It just isnt and never will be. Constitutional freedoms are there for a reason. Im sorry the left wants to change it not happening. We sure aren’t changing the left leaning amendments. Theres a few I wouldn’t mind seeing changed myself but not happening.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution:

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

You just want to support the constitution when it suits you, not because you are trying to uphold the constitution as a whole. I support your right to own guns, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[wango]

Mate. Bud light should be band just on the taste alone, I think tap waters stronger.
Sorry my American friends.

Never tasted Bud Light, but grew up drinking Shlitz, Hamms & PBR. Now that was quality brew.