"Same sex marriage" What is your opinion?

[Tock]

1) Gay marraige means they will be able to adopt kids and raise them as they see fit.

2) Here is my problem with men adopting boys. I have a son who is 2. When he gets older I assume that he will be curious as all kids are. If the next door neighbors kid is father by gays, he more than likely will be curious about men. Now my son goes to play in the field and the little neighbor boy comes over asking to play doctor or show me and I will show you. This is usualy between boys and girls but because thats all the little neighbor boy has ever seen, my son has now been subjected to homosexuality.

3) Needless to say I go kill the parents.

1) This is already happening. They have to go through the same rigorous examination proceedure before they get to adopt, though. Psychological tests, background checks, etc. It ain't easy, from what I've heard.

2) I think your fears are a bit overblown . . . I understand it's not uncommon for boys to do "circle-jerks" (I never heard of 'em until I was 20-something; too late for me), and it doesn't affect sexual orientation at all.
Pretty much, if you're kid isn't straight by now, it's already too late.

3) Wow . . . time to enroll in anger management class . . .
--Tock

[Mart651]

I meant playing with the kids not the adults.
I agree with the fact that not all hetro parents are worth a **** either.
I don't think the gay couples are out to hurt the kids. I believe they realy will love them and treat them fine. My point was the son is more likely to try stuff with boys if he sees men together and not man and women.

I think you're missing the point that I was making...... I would never send my kids off to play with any adult no matter what there sexual preference are. I feel kids should play with kids. Point I was trying to make is not all gay couples are out to hurt children and not heterosexual couples make great parents.

[palme]

Gay parents or not i belive you cant turn anyone into being gay.

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

[Carlos_E]

I'm pro gay marriage. (Big surprise huh?)

If gay couples build a life together, if one is sick or dies, the other should have legal rights to property, money and other benefits. As it stands now, they do not. I've heard stories of families not speaking to their gay child for 20-30 years and when they die taking everything. That isn't right.

[mass junkie]

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

Absolutely

[Mart651]

You have never spent any time in prison. Trust me bro. It happens a lot more than you think and yes they come out and stay gay.

Gay parents or not i belive you cant turn anyone into being gay.

Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?

[daman1]

Which do you believe should happen? IMO, civil union, because I don't believe marriage is meant for same sex. Marriage is the union before God of two people, a man and a woman. In God's eyes homosexuality is wrong. Personally, I don't care what people do, because people are who they are. But marriage is different.

Bible passages on homosexuality:

Genesis 19:1-29
Leviticus 18:22; 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Sym

ditto

[Mart651]

[QUOTE=palme
Question would you still love your kids if they became gay?[/QUOTE]

Yes I would love my kid no matter what, even if he slept with sheeps like big ole legs.

[TheMudMan]

I meant playing with the kids not the adults.
I agree with the fact that not all hetro parents are worth a **** either.
I don't think the gay couples are out to hurt the kids. I believe they realy will love them and treat them fine. My point was the son is more likely to try stuff with boys if he sees men together and not man and women.

I don't think just because a boy being brought up in a home with 2 men being the parents would make the boy become gay.

I watched every episode of OZ and I have yet had the urge to have sex or even want to kiss a man

[palme]

You have never spent any time in prison. Trust me bro. It happens a lot more than you think and yes they come out and stay gay.

Arent they called bitches?

[mass junkie]

I watched every episode of OZ and I have yet had the urge to have sex or even want to kiss a man

But something made you go back every week to watch every episode

[TheMudMan]

But something made you go back every week to watch every episode

Leave it up to you

[Mart651]

Arent they called bitches?

Ask Mud, He watches OZ

[TheMudMan]

Ask Mud, He watches OZ

Yep, that's what they are called.

See I knew watching that show would come useful one time in my life

[Tock]

Just ask " What would John Wayne think"...if he wouldnt agree...dont let it happen in the US!

I'll tell you what . . . if you can get John Wayne to agree or disagree with anything nowadays, I'll go right along with it!

What I wanna see is you with a spade over his grave . . . lol . . .

--Tock

[Mart651]

Well Pilgram.

I'll tell you what . . . if you can get John Wayne to agree or disagree with anything nowadays, I'll go right along with it!

What I wanna see is you with a spade over his grave . . . lol . . .

--Tock

[tryingtogetbig]

I guess I don't fully understand some things involving the whole issue:

1.) What exactly do gay couples want. Not a slam here at all. I have heard about a gay couple and one goes to the hospital and can't go visit their signifcant other in the hospital because only immediate family allowed. I don't like that. But, what I need is a bigger picture of what all will be gained, and lost for that matter.

2.) I know very well that gay couples could (and do) make GREAT parents...no doubt there. But....

My concern with this issue is that it seems greedy. Let me explain...adopting a kid is for a couple (gay or hetero) to enjoy the love of being a parent and raising offspring. Seems fine and dandy at this point. But, I don't think it's fair for the child for a number of reasons.

For one, growing up is hard business...adding in the complications a child will have to face because of having gay parents seems to put a needless amount of challenges to a child that they should never have to endure. Not that they wouldn't have supportive and good parenting...it's just a cruel world out there to begin with. I think that any gay person can truly attest to the fact that it's a cruel world sometimes.

Secondly, there's some things in life that kid's shouldn't have to understand until a certain age. Growing up in a gay parent situation will, at some point, cause a kid to have to try and understand some things in life that they really shouldn't have to for years to come.

Again...I'm not saying that gay couples wouldn't be good parents....please don't misunderstand what I'm concerned about. I really don't care what 2 people do with their lives...but when you have children involved, well, then their is a party involved that didn't get to make any decisions for themselves.


My last concern regarding gay marriage is this...the sanctity of marriage is already at an all time low. The divorce rate is above 60% here in the USA. People don't take their wedding vows serious enough, and as soon as things start getting tough in the marriage, they bail out and get a divorce. Unfortanutely, usually there are already kids involved in the marriage by the time the parents quit trying to make it work...whole different topic though.

So, I don't want the value of a marriage to go down hill any more than it already is. I don't know that allowing gay marriages will do this, but I have a feeling that it is a strong possibility. The gay friends that I have, god bless them, are not the "marrying" type. Although they may truly settle down with 1 person sometime in the future, I don't see it happening anytime soon. I don't want to generalize an entire population off of my handfull of gay friends, but I am afraid that gay marriage divorce rate will be even higher than the hetero divorce rate (as hard to believe as that is).

I'll quit now....please don't take my questions and ideas as any type of personal attacks...that's not how they are intended. As a matter of fact, I'm really open to whole issue, but I really need to know more about all parties involved.

peace,

ttgb

[Cycleon]

people want to have a contract denoting inheritence rights, medical, etc - I cant see any problem with that no more than 2 people making any other type of contract - but marriage, NO

Because it is part of the agenda to make marriage just seem like a civil contract - and that is not what it is - the same way that parenting has been devolved to almost something that you pick up at the grocery store - and that is not what it is.

and say what you will - the desire to engage in homosexual acts is a LEARNED response - doesnt mean that some may indeed have a predisposition (I would say spiritually so, but many of you dont believe in that so I will say genetic) for homosexual acts.

See, when it all boils down to it "gayness" is simply one thing - a person wants to have sex with people of the same gender - thats all it is - but they want to couch it in so much BS, lifestyle, blah blah etc - its just ****ing someone of the same gender - thats all - and in the end, it is not enough that they do this (which I could care less, since everyone is entitled to their own way) they are determined to convince everyone that sex with same gender is just as "moral" as sex with the opposite - and if they cant raise themselves up then society will see to it that it lowers the institution of marriage untill it is no longer considered anything but a piece of paper given by the state for convinient financial reasons a la the Soviet Union

[TheMudMan]

How is becomeing a gay a learned responce? What about those that become gay but lived in a heterosexul home?

[chicamahomico]

I think gay people should be able to get married.......haven't yet heard a good reason why they shouldn't be able to.

[abstrack]

You have never spent any time in prison. Trust me bro. It happens a lot more than you think and yes they come out and stay gay.

Thats a whole different story. Being locked up can change the mentality of any man or women. It's like guys who serve 20+ year sentences and get released into the public. it is a total culture shock, they know nothing of a life different except what is behind bars and usually end up going back because they can live that life.


Comparing guys coming out gay and staying gay is like apples and oranges. Being raped or being turned into somones bitch is a whole different ball game were talking about. You cant compare normal life to prison life, 2 different worlds.

[BOUNCER]

I think gay people should be able to get married.......haven't yet heard a good reason why they shouldn't be able to.

Always knew you were an arse bandit, your gonna get it tonight, lol...

[abstrack]

people want to have a contract denoting inheritence rights, medical, etc - I cant see any problem with that no more than 2 people making any other type of contract - but marriage, NO

Because it is part of the agenda to make marriage just seem like a civil contract - and that is not what it is - the same way that parenting has been devolved to almost something that you pick up at the grocery store - and that is not what it is.

Doesnt being married by a court of law or justice of the peace and not a church denote just a civil contract? Dont we as heterosexual humans do that already? Some choose to get married in curches by a minister of that religion and some choose just to get a piece of paper stating that they are married by law of the state. Same binding contract between 2 people just a different institution has issued it.

[Mart651]

Have you ever been in prison? Then don't give me that liberal b.s.
Not all of them stay for 20 yrs and it totaly kills the choice idea.
I have expierenced many different things in my life and have many friends that have been changed by certain things in their lives.

Thats a whole different story. Being locked up can change the mentality of any man or women. It's like guys who serve 20+ year sentences and get released into the public. it is a total culture shock, they know nothing of a life different except what is behind bars and usually end up going back because they can live that life.


Comparing guys coming out gay and staying gay is like apples and oranges. Being raped or being turned into somones bitch is a whole different ball game were talking about. You cant compare normal life to prison life, 2 different worlds.

[TheMudMan]

Doesnt being married by a court of law or justice of the peace and not a church denote just a civil contract? Dont we as heterosexual humans do that already? Some choose to get married in curches by a minister of that religion and some choose just to get a piece of paper stating that they are married by law of the state. Same binding contract between 2 people just a different institution has issued it.

Agreed....... In the end when the two parties end the marriage everything is split up among both just like any other binding contract would.

[mass junkie]

How is becomeing a gay a learned responce? What about those that become gay but lived in a heterosexul home?

You beat me to it.......I believe its part of the chemical makeup

[abstrack]

Have you ever been in prison? Then don't give me that liberal b.s.
Not all of them stay for 20 yrs and it totaly kills the choice idea.
I have expierenced many different things in my life and have many friends that have been changed by certain things in their lives.

Never prison but I have served my fare share of time in the county. Nothing to compare but never the less i have had my share of time being locked in a 2 man pod. I also have many old friends that are locked up for killing and robbery. Some of them are still doing time andsome of them served less than 10 years. The guys who served shorter sentences, some of them went back and some of them never did and made something out of their life. My point is that is just 2 different ball games.

[chicamahomico]

Always knew you were an arse bandit, your gonna get it tonight, lol...

Arse bandit?? You crazy old bugger!!

I am compltely liberal when it comes to social issues with a few exceptions. It is quite possible that Canadians are just being swayed by the media pushing popular opinion on people that gays should be able to marry. The same thing happened with marijuana legalization when the media started champioining it's cause......now many Canadians, young and old, think both are a good idea.

[Mart651]

Ok, Good enough bro.

Never prison but I have served my fare share of time in the county. Nothing to compare but never the less i have had my share of time being locked in a 2 man pod. I also have many old friends that are locked up for killing and robbery. Some of them are still doing time andsome of them served less than 10 years. The guys who served shorter sentences, some of them went back and some of them never did and made something out of their life. My point is that is just 2 different ball games.

[TheOak182]

Why would anyone care if two fags wanted to marry each other?

[tryingtogetbig]

When laws are added, deleted, or amended in the United States (and elsewhere I would assume), it is typically done for the "better good of the nation" and to have a positive affect on the "overwhelming majority."

How does this apply to gay marriage?

peace,

ttgb

[chicamahomico]

Why would anyone care if two fags wanted to marry each other?

My point exactly.....although I was trying to be a little nicer about it than that.

[tryingtogetbig]

Why would anyone care if two fags wanted to marry each other?

I understand what you are asking...even though your political correctness leaves some room for improvement.

Okay, lets pass a new law that says "ttgb gets all of the free AS he can possibly use." How would that law negatively affect anyone? It wouldn't...but would it be the "right" thing to do? I would think of it as a good law, and as a US citizen don't I have that right if that's what I truly believe in? The logic seems somewhat comparable.

Just throwing some thoughts out for discussion.

peace,

ttgb

[Carlos_E]

I don't want to generalize an entire population off of my handfull of gay friends, but I am afraid that gay marriage divorce rate will be even higher than the hetero divorce rate (as hard to believe as that is).

I have the opposite experience. Most of my gay friends have been together for 7-10 years. They are the marrying type. So I don't see the divorce rates being higher than hetero marriages. I have some gay friends who are whores, but then, I have some straight friends who are bigger whores. So in the end I'd think it would be the same.

[tryingtogetbig]

I have the opposite experience. Most of my gay friends have been together for 7-10 years. They are the marrying type. So I don't see the divorce rates being higher than hetero marriages. I have some gay friends who are whores, but then, I have some straight friends who are bigger whores. So in the end I'd think it would be the same.

That's good feedback...thanks for reading my long post. You are probably right...be about the same rate. Which isn't good...but doesn't have anything to do with this topic.

peace,

ttgb

[chicamahomico]

ttgb, I see what you are saying but one thing differs in your scenario. Saying you get free AS implies a free loader in the scenario. It affects those who are paying for you and everybody else who opts for the 'free AS'. Society would pay and what benefit(s) would it receive?

I think a better questions would be 'How does legalization of steroids negatively affect anyone?' or 'How does legalization of gay marriage negatively affect anyone?'

Okay, lets pass a new law that says "ttgb gets all of the free AS he can possibly use." How would that law negatively affect anyone? It wouldn't...but would it be the "right" thing to do? I would think of it as a good law, and as a US citizen don't I have that right if that's what I truly believe in? The logic seems somewhat comparable.

Just throwing some thoughts out for discussion.

peace,

ttgb

[Animal Cracker]

You beat me to it.......I believe its part of the chemical makeup

I believe it is because "Uncle Feely-hands" was a bit touchy.

[Animal Cracker]

You beat me to it.......I believe its part of the chemical makeup

I believe it is because "Uncle Feely-hands" was a bit touchy at family reunions.

[Tock]

Originally Posted by Symian

Bible passages on homosexuality:

Genesis 19:1-29
Leviticus 18:22; 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Sym

ditto

That's all well and good, but it doesn't apply to non-Christians.
--Tock

[Mart651]

I believe it is because "Uncle Feely-hands" was a bit touchy at family reunions.

That is more true than ever will be admitted on here.