the "PASSION" discusion thread

**Umberto** · 02-29-2004, 09:29 PM

Wow! saw it yesterday, Im blown away. Very powerful and touching.
Any thought for/against, pro/con??
Id love to hear

**spywizard** · 02-29-2004, 09:31 PM

bump........loved it...............

**USfighterFC** · 02-29-2004, 09:47 PM

Two of my juicer friends went to see it and they said they were both crying their eyes out in the movie......they said it really changed there lives....i def wanna go see it.

**Umberto** · 02-29-2004, 10:00 PM

Im a pretty big kid, and i cried like a little bit.... well you know.
Im not gonna curse on a religous thread.
I have known the story since childhood but IT HAS NEVER BEEN SO REAL TO ME how Christ suffered for us. How much love he had for mankind. It gives me chills thinking about it.
I also like the music, devil and demons. Freaky stuff man.
God overcame and rose again. I like that the showed the Resurection.

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 02-29-2004, 10:09 PM

I really think you would have to be really cold hearted not to cry..... I for one loved that movie, and I will see it again. I did cry, but not as much as I would have thought. Also I for one didnt think there was too much of something, the movie while very very graphic wasted no time nor get repetitive. I think that Gibson did a great job. Man the satan character was crazy looking!

**Ammar** · 02-29-2004, 10:15 PM

I dont really wanna see it...I already know how it ends

JK, I havent seen it yet but I will get to it this week hopefully. Everyone says its real good.

**Philliagorillia** · 02-29-2004, 11:11 PM

Would have to pay me to go see it, its not that i dont like Mel's movies, its just that i have a problem with religion, i dont mind it and i support people in whatever they believe but i just dont find it interesting.

**PurePower** · 02-29-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Philliagorillia

Would have to pay me to go see it, its not that i dont like Mel's movies, its just that i have a problem with religion, i dont mind it and i support people in whatever they believe but i just dont find it interesting.

Somehow i knew that this would come up in this thread.

**spywizard** · 02-29-2004, 11:21 PM

Dude.. where do you live.. i'll send you the money to see it..........

It is a pictorial featuring the events as told in the new testament, of the life and times of Jesus.. This is over simplifing the events, but you see what i mean..

Thats all...

Originally Posted by Philliagorillia

Would have to pay me to go see it, its not that i dont like Mel's movies, its just that i have a problem with religion, i dont mind it and i support people in whatever they believe but i just dont find it interesting.

**mark956101957** · 02-29-2004, 11:29 PM

Very good movie- just saw it this afternoon..left me speechless, it covers the last day and a half of the life of Christ..and His resurrection.

Originally Posted by spywizard

Dude.. where do you live.. i'll send you the money to see it..........

It is a pictorial featuring the events as told in the new testament, of the life and times of Jesus.. This is over simplifing the events, but you see what i mean..

Thats all...

**ChiTownTommy** · 03-01-2004, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Philliagorillia

Would have to pay me to go see it, its not that i dont like Mel's movies, its just that i have a problem with religion, i dont mind it and i support people in whatever they believe but i just dont find it interesting.

i didn't want to go see it either, but i was with about 8 friends and the all wanted to go see it, so i hopped on the bannd wagon, i recomend seeing it, it was a great movie

**PuddleMonkey** · 02-29-2004, 11:18 PM

I'd don't think I'd get much out of it seeing I have more of a agnostic view on things.

**TheGame826** · 02-29-2004, 11:19 PM

i was on a date. a horrible date. i didnt cry but it was extemely powerful. my date was balling her eyes out for half the movie. she said she never cried before. anyways it made me wanna goto church.

**The Fallen Angel** · 02-29-2004, 11:26 PM

Sad movie; inspiring and most likely will change how I act and think from here on out.

**The Fallen Angel** · 02-29-2004, 11:33 PM

I still laugh at the jewish rabbi's and their leaders who tried to get this movie banned. Reason? Because they'd belive there would be more anti-semitism. Sorry to say, no matter what period in time the jews will always be scapegoats.

From the days of Pharoahs who made jews build pyramids, to the days of Christ and their treatment from the romans, to the holocause and hitler.

I just hope no idiots go out and spray swastikas or burn a synagogue. Doing so will give reason to prove the jewish rabbi's and leaders they were right.

Anyways, good movie but it's something I wouldn't want to watch again due to the extreme ammount of violence. (This movie is pretty far up on the violence, blood and gore ranks.)

**spywizard** · 02-29-2004, 11:43 PM

Agree............ Reality is always more than we want to believe... Humans are capable of so much violence, and anger...

Life changing... yes....

Originally Posted by The Fallen Angel

I still laugh at the jewish rabbi's and their leaders who tried to get this movie banned. Reason? Because they'd belive there would be more anti-semitism. Sorry to say, no matter what period in time the jews will always be scapegoats.

From the days of Pharoahs who made jews build pyramids, to the days of Christ and their treatment from the romans, to the holocause and hitler.

I just hope no idiots go out and spray swastikas or burn a synagogue. Doing so will give reason to prove the jewish rabbi's and leaders they were right.

Anyways, good movie but it's something I wouldn't want to watch again due to the extreme ammount of violence. (This movie is pretty far up on the violence, blood and gore ranks.)

**The Fallen Angel** · 02-29-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

Agree............ Reality is always more than we want to believe... Humans are capable of so much violence, and anger...

Life changing... yes....

I find it odd, that someone as myself who likes movies like: Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Original), 28 Days, Clockwork Orange, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween etc, to have a problem watching this movie.

I have watched the most bloody movies and have no problem watching, infact I laughed through a few considering all the girls squeeming or screaming. This movie though, since it wasn't just a movie, it was based on something that really happened..........it made me feel uncomfortable to watch. I'm not highly religious but this movie will change people. It has changed me and I hope everyone at least attempts to see it.

Spywizard, you are correct. Things like what happened in the passion, happen every day (Not to the level of crucifiction) but toture, starvation, beatings, mutilations. This movie has got to me, I hope others will see it and reflect on their lives.

**monstercojones** · 02-29-2004, 11:46 PM

i have serious problems with organized religion... but as a film, the passion was great.

i spent over 14 years in catholic schools, and to be honest, i'm at the point where i feel a degree of pity for people who put their entire mental well-being in the (hands) of any specific religion.

not to say that christianity or any other belief system is inherently wrong... i live by the golden rule. i am just angered by the historical inaccuracies and outright lies that are peddled to the masses in the name of Catholicism. the atrocities committed by the vatican are unforgiveable...

i'm sorry if this offends anyone... i'd be glad to offer a more in-depth explaination to anyone who feels i am speaking in error.

but back to the point, the passion was a great movie, not too many plot twists

- but overall, i think mel gibson did a tremendous service to what he believes in.

check out The Last Temptation of Christ---- greattttt movie.

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 03-01-2004, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by monstercojones

......i'm sorry if this offends anyone... i'd be glad to offer a more in-depth explaination to anyone who feels i am speaking in error.

.....

I am not calling you out at all, nor do I challange you. I want to know your thoughts bro, so do tell

**Animal Cracker** · 03-01-2004, 12:16 AM

it is supposed to make its way to Italy soon..being a Catholic strong hold, I am shure it will do well here, and be available in many theaters once it arrive..however, at this point, every jew in Europe is spouting antisemitism..holocaust..everyone hates us routine...If there is any backlask, hard feelings...So what! That is what you get when race/religion/society are implicated murder the messiah!
I belive if the Jew Anti-Defamation league would have keep their mouths shut..its flick would not have recieved half the attention that it has...By raising hell, and trying to play the victim, they might put these ideas into the heads of the morons that are so incorrigable!

**hybridbmw** · 03-01-2004, 12:41 AM

I saw the movie tonight and i really wasnt sure what to expect. I had talked to one of my close friends who is VERY religious and she said that the movie will change me. Well she was right.

I had no idea that the movie would be ANYTHING like this. I'm not squeemish at all. But i could barely stand to watch many of the scenes in this film. Just knowing that we as humans are capable of such torture and punishment is really disturbing.

**FmRommel** · 03-01-2004, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by BamaSlamma

it is supposed to make its way to Italy soon..being a Catholic strong hold, I am shure it will do well here, and be available in many theaters once it arrive..however, at this point, every jew in Europe is spouting antisemitism..holocaust..everyone hates us routine...If there is any backlask, hard feelings...So what! That is what you get when race/religion/society are implicated murder the messiah!
I belive if the Jew Anti-Defamation league would have keep their mouths shut..its flick would not have recieved half the attention that it has...By raising hell, and trying to play the victim, they might put these ideas into the heads of the morons that are so incorrigable!

Totally agree.....the funny thing is when Schindler's List was released or any other Holocaust movie for that matter, nobody seemed worried that there would be a backlash against the germans. And in fact almost every single movie about WW2 these days depict them as evil, destructive, and murderous.
The ADL is part of the reason America is rotting at the rate it is today. These people cry "racist" at every turn and shape American media based on it. Thank God Mel Gibson had the money to finance and make this movie himself, otherwise it would never have been. I have heard reports that he has been threatened at his home, and I know for a fact that the Jews in Hollywood are already saying that he'll have trouble finding work after this movie....Bullshi t.

FM

**BOUNCER** · 03-01-2004, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by BamaSlamma

it is supposed to make its way to Italy soon..being a Catholic strong hold, I am shure it will do well here, and be available in many theaters once it arrive..however, at this point, every jew in Europe is spouting antisemitism..holocaust..everyone hates us routine...If there is any backlask, hard feelings...So what! That is what you get when race/religion/society are implicated murder the messiah!
I belive if the Jew Anti-Defamation league would have keep their mouths shut..its flick would not have recieved half the attention that it has...By raising hell, and trying to play the victim, they might put these ideas into the heads of the morons that are so incorrigable!

And what do you think the Vatican and other christian religious bodies would say if the same type of movie was made about the Christian crusades?.

I haven't seen the movie to be honest but I'm looking forward to it. I'll be able to discuss it better than, I hate jumping on the band wagon and spouting what I've read issued by Jewish groups and Judaism internet communities I use.

**Lostsoul** · 03-01-2004, 05:52 AM

I haven't seen the movie, but I will now after reading all your reviews. I'm not big into religion myself, but one of the AR bro's has opened my eyes recently, so i'll definetely go and see it.

**scottninpo** · 03-01-2004, 06:11 AM

"religion is a crutch for weak minded people"
~Bill Maher

i went to catholic school myself for 13 years, and the one thing i learned about God is that God doesn't give a crap what religion you are

**spywizard** · 03-01-2004, 06:17 AM

hey scott..... agree 100%.........

You will love the movie................. It is true the "the church" has ruined alot of people.... The movie is as i stated before... a pictural representation of Jesus, and the sacrifice that he made as told from the gospils........

Do go...........

Originally Posted by scottninpo

"religion is a crutch for weak minded people"
~Bill Maher

i went to catholic school myself for 13 years, and the one thing i learned about God is that God doesn't give a crap what religion you are

**scottninpo** · 03-01-2004, 06:20 AM

i'm planning to go see it as soon as it starts dying down in populartiy, i hate going to the movies in an over crowded theater

**daman1** · 03-01-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by scottninpo

i'm planning to go see it as soon as it starts dying down in populartiy, i hate going to the movies in an over crowded theater

ditto.

**sp9** · 03-01-2004, 07:23 AM

Can't wait to see it. I to am no fan of organized religion "the money machine". I am Christian but I can't stand seeing people herd into a church, give 10% pretax of their income so the preacher's children can go to a better college than their own kids. What is it with standing there and preaching to people who already believe? A waste of time. It's all about money. Anyway, I hope to like the movie and I don't think anyone who is truly a believer would have anything but love for the jewish people. We shouldn't be judging any groups by the acts of a few people. Love thy neighboor.

Oh and Schindler's list finally comes out on DVD in about a week. That is a very powerful movie as well.

**Tock** · 03-01-2004, 09:12 AM

I don't like violent flicks, period. I reserve blood and violence for my rants against Republican politicians. lol . . .

Don't know why seeing the movie would be any better than reading the book. The movie used caucasion actors, when actually the real Jesus would have looked a whole lot more like Saddam Hussain than they guy in the film. Plus the director ensured there was a whole lot more drama put in the film than there would have been in real life. I suppose it's all calculated to appeal to jaded caucasian movie audiences, but nevertheless, the most accurate stories of the death and resurrection of Jesus (and in the four Gospels, there are five different versions; Mel Gibson picked the version he liked the best) are in the Book itself.
It's all fiction, anyway. Sad to see so many people that confuse it with reality.
--Tock

**Mart651** · 03-01-2004, 09:37 AM

I know where you stand and usualy just play it off.This time I will not.
Your last statement was wrong and bothered me a bit.
This is the exact kind of statement you gays would take offense to.
I believe in Christ and his death, I do not need you to feel sorry for me.

Originally Posted by Tock

I don't like violent flicks, period. I reserve blood and violence for my rants against Republican politicians. lol . . .

Don't know why seeing the movie would be any better than reading the book. The movie used caucasion actors, when actually the real Jesus would have looked a whole lot more like Saddam Hussain than they guy in the film. Plus the director ensured there was a whole lot more drama put in the film than there would have been in real life. I suppose it's all calculated to appeal to jaded caucasian movie audiences, but nevertheless, the most accurate stories of the death and resurrection of Jesus (and in the four Gospels, there are five different versions; Mel Gibson picked the version he liked the best) are in the Book itself.
It's all fiction, anyway. Sad to see so many people that confuse it with reality.
--Tock

**Tock** · 03-01-2004, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by mart651

I know where you stand and usualy just play it off.This time I will not.
Your last statement was wrong and bothered me a bit.
This is the exact kind of statement you gays would take offense to.
I believe in Christ and his death, I do not need you to feel sorry for me.

Sorry if you're offended. But there's plenty of reason to suppose that the Bible is just religious fiction. There are jillions of Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, and other theologians smarter than either of us who can offer persuasive reasons. I've read what I've read and come to my own conclusions. You are free to disagree, however, and beleive what you will. Won't bother me in the least.
--Tock

**Mart651** · 03-01-2004, 09:51 AM

A smart enough salesman can convince people of what they wish, like a lawyer can convince abunch of people that someone is not guilty when they are(OJ Simpson).
People only look for things that back up there beliefs not things that prove them wrong.
I will just agree to disagree on this because I don't want this thread to go this way.

Originally Posted by Tock

Sorry if you're offended. But there's plenty of reason to suppose that the Bible is just religious fiction. There are jillions of Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, and other theologians smarter than either of us who can offer persuasive reasons. I've read what I've read and come to my own conclusions. You are free to disagree, however, and beleive what you will. Won't bother me in the least.
--Tock

**PTbyJason** · 03-01-2004, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Tock

Sorry if you're offended. But there's plenty of reason to suppose that the Bible is just religious fiction. There are jillions of Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, and other theologians smarter than either of us who can offer persuasive reasons. I've read what I've read and come to my own conclusions. You are free to disagree, however, and beleive what you will. Won't bother me in the least.
--Tock

There has never been a more historically accurate book written than the Bible. You don't have to believe or acknowledge the truth while on earth, one day you will acknowledge it though, just as we all will. My prayers are with you.

The Passion was a well, how do you say it.....a very important movie that left a huge impact. It's painful and hard to watch at times, but it does make you realize the true pain that Jesus went through. Believe in the Bible or not, it tells about the last days of Jesus's life. I would highly recommend it.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-01-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by PTbyJason

There has never been a more historically accurate book written than the Bible. You don't have to believe or acknowledge the truth while on earth, one day you will acknowledge it though, just as we all will. My prayers are with you.

The Passion was a well, how do you say it.....a very important movie that left a huge impact. It's painful and hard to watch at times, but it does make you realize the true pain that Jesus went through. Believe in the Bible or not, it tells about the last days of Jesus's life. I would highly recommend it.

I was waiting to hear your response. I have a friend who saw it and he said it change his life!

**Tock** · 03-01-2004, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by PTbyJason

There has never been a more historically accurate book written than the Bible. .

Did you know there are no less than five (5) count them five (5) different accounts of the Resurrection in the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John)? I don't see how that could be an indication of historical accuracy.

The whole story of Moses and the Exodus is entirely fiction, as well. There isn't a shred of a mention of the event in any of the archeological records of ancient Egypt, or in any other civilization's records. Disagree? Fine. Find an archeological reference that mentions the event. Don't want to? Fine by me, no skin off my nose. I still say you are free to beleive what you want. But it's only . . . a belief, not fact.

Take care,
--Tock

PS--maybe we should take further responses to this topic on another thread . . . we're veering off topic . ...

**DF2003** · 03-01-2004, 05:38 PM

agreed. ya know it is surely violent but i know alot more movies out that are way more violent. i beleive in god and all but have lost faith over the years due to harsh events but this movie was very moving. i wish it had shown more into the resurection. jew, christian, muslim whoever i think this is a must see movie. i didnt have any anger towards jews after the movie so i dont think there will be any kind of backlash.

Originally Posted by PTbyJason

There has never been a more historically accurate book written than the Bible. You don't have to believe or acknowledge the truth while on earth, one day you will acknowledge it though, just as we all will. My prayers are with you.

The Passion was a well, how do you say it.....a very important movie that left a huge impact. It's painful and hard to watch at times, but it does make you realize the true pain that Jesus went through. Believe in the Bible or not, it tells about the last days of Jesus's life. I would highly recommend it.

**monstercojones** · 03-01-2004, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by mart651

I know where you stand and usualy just play it off.This time I will not.
Your last statement was wrong and bothered me a bit.
This is the exact kind of statement you gays would take offense to.
I believe in Christ and his death, I do not need you to feel sorry for me.

i believe in christ and his death as well, just not his divinity.

**USfighterFC** · 03-01-2004, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tock

I don't like violent flicks, period. I reserve blood and violence for my rants against Republican politicians. lol . . .

Don't know why seeing the movie would be any better than reading the book. The movie used caucasion actors, when actually the real Jesus would have looked a whole lot more like Saddam Hussain than they guy in the film. Plus the director ensured there was a whole lot more drama put in the film than there would have been in real life. I suppose it's all calculated to appeal to jaded caucasian movie audiences, but nevertheless, the most accurate stories of the death and resurrection of Jesus (and in the four Gospels, there are five different versions; Mel Gibson picked the version he liked the best) are in the Book itself.
It's all fiction, anyway. Sad to see so many people that confuse it with reality.
--Tock

Spoken like a true liberal.

**FmRommel** · 03-01-2004, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tock

It's all fiction, anyway. Sad to see so many people that confuse it with reality.
--Tock

THIS is what REALLY pisses me off about you liberals. All you do is bitc h about people's rights and everyone having their own beliefs, freedoms, and values, yet you insist on inserting your own discriminating views on anything you dont believe. This was an asshole comment from a true hypocritical, bleeding heart liberal.

FM