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05-07-2010, 10:25 AM #121New Member
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does that mean that most 18yr olds are bound to regret taking steroids at that age?
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05-09-2010, 08:23 AM #122Banned
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if you have to shave every single day then you can use steroids .
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05-09-2010, 11:33 AM #123Junior Member
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Socio can you explain your rational behind this?
"dont play sports and you will grow"
sounds like bullshit but just wanted to see if there was a point to this
I spoke to my doctor she assured me that a 12week cycle of test would not stunt my growth and my test levels would recover back to normal. as long as its done correctly
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08-27-2010, 06:34 AM #124New Member
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I was finding this article really useful tell I read the poster was only 18 himself at the time which makes me question where he's getting his info. This thread seems really torn between people who think it's fine to take aas around 18 and those who say wait tell your like 23-24, I just turned 21 and don't know what to think. I'm pretty sure I'm done growing as I'm 5'10 and most of the men in my family are around the same however there are 3-4 oddballs that 6'3+
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08-30-2010, 05:17 PM #125Banned
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How come arnold took them at such a young age and is perfectly fine and he surpassed his genetic potential. He weighed around 250 lbs thats more than his genetics were going to allow. I am 19, have perfect genetics, full beard, deep voice, im 6'2" (3 inches taller than all other blood related men in my family). I think im done growing. If i did stunt my growth i wouldnt care i like my height i dont want to be taller. Now back to AAS. If i used a minimal dosage, such as the one arnold used at ages16-19, of dianabol would i really interupt my endocrine system in a negative way long term. I really dont think so just because of arnolds evidence but i guess his evidence just doesnt stand up in steroid .com court. I have great muscle genetics yet im feel to thin. I look more like a muscle n fitness model than a bodybuilder. and to get that thicker look that im working so hard for, i will have to use steroids . im not gunna lie to myself. if i trained naturally for lets say 3 more years, i might reach 210-215. If use AAS in moderations i could get up to 230-245. I dont want to be 210, i want to be 230
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First, Arnold was never 250. He was about 230 at contest weight, with probably 4% body fat, meaning he had roughly 220lbs of lean mass on his body. Maximum genetic potential is typically thought to be about 200, so he was only 10% over his genetic potential.
Second, we don't know that he didn't have long term side effects. We do know he had a heart condition that required surgery a few years back. Could have been steroid related, as there has been a lot of research and studies done in this area. He has never publicized that he had side effects, but that doesn't mean that he didn't.
Third, steroids were legal at the time, and were prescribed by doctors, who were basically using Arnold and other BBs as lab rats. The long term risks were totally unknown, as were the risks of using at such a young age.
I was done growing in 8th grade. It doesn't mean my HPTA was set and stable. All the research shows that does not happen until 25 on average. Consequently, using steroids before 25 puts you at the risk of permanent damage to the HPTA, reduced natural test production for life, and other related side effects like ED, low sex drive, depression, etc. You take these risks for a short term gain. That's just plain foolish. Wait a couple years and you will achieve everything you want, with or without steroids. But if you do steroids wait until 25 at least.
BTW, unless your doctor was an Endocrinologist I would take his advice with a grain of salt the size of a golf ball. Doctors tend to be arrogant and think they know everything, whether they do or not. A GP will not have the knowledge to comment on a thing like that effectively, and in truth doing so is essentially malpractice. I would not take steroids under the age of 25 based on the advice of a doctor, unless it was an Endo, and you had a legit hormone deficiency.
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10-08-2010, 03:57 AM #127
Very good info thank you
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10-08-2010, 07:15 AM #128
Bump for the newbies
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10-20-2010, 01:40 AM #129Banned
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Dude you are so wrong. Not to argue but you are seriously wrong.
First, That extra 10% made him successful. If he was 200 he wouldnt have been mr olympia, nor an actor, and without those he wouldnt have had the funds to be the governor.
Second he was born with the heart condition, his father had it also. And he has admitted to no long term damage except the cosmetic saggy skin from being stretched with muscle. Thats something i can live with when im 60. Also his endocrine system did not suffer an iota of damage. He was filled with testosterone and even had his last kid when he was like 47. There is nothing wrong with them since he used them responsibly and not at the dosage some idiots do these days.
Finally, all this nonsense about being under 25 is solely speculation. Nothing more. There are no studies that have ever proved this so without scientific evidence it doesnt stand strong. In fact doctors prescribe a short cycle of test to boys ages 14-16 whos ball and test production isnt working right or needs some help getting it going. They wouldnt do that if there test levels would never recover. on thing i do agree with is the attitude of some doctors thinking they know it all. in essence it is true but its there attitude because they went to school for 4 extra years to learn about every single sytem in the body in small detail. Doctors do not have the forums on steroids that we have nor the "experience" knoweledge, but they have the clinical knowelegde which is the only actuall proof. Specialists like an endocrinologist obviously knows more about their field but a normal general primary will know that the endocrine system is no different than anything else in the body and WILL heal itself over time. NO EXCEPTION IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS! Sure there are some cases where a 16 year old will take steriods for too long with no pct and screw up his body. But only when the individual was not healthy enough or genetically able to handle that much androgens. Its that simple. If it was possible to take a survey on all the men in the world over 35 that took AAS age 18-21, most of them would have no problems and most of them probly wouldnt regret it. I have no proof for that but look around on these kinda of forum threads, many people say i started 19 no regrets. my father took them when he was 20 and he is perfectly fine. He had no idea what pct was and took them for like 5 months at a time. And he FULLY RECOVERED!He loved them but cannot take them anymore due to cholesterol issues(runs in the family, not due to AAS). As i said earlier only genetically decent and better should be taking these hormones. I bet you all know that guy in the gym that has been working out for 3 freekin years and still looks like s#!+. Those are the guys who you see screwing up there bodies from useing steroids. simply because theyre genetic garbage and are ruining our gene pool anyway. I dont mean to be a jackass but its like "god" or whoever is out there took away there balls for a reason. Steroids would make genetic garbage more attractive to women with good genetics, thus alowing to ruin a perfectly good genetic baby. He/It/GOD wont let that happen.
One thing for sure is that you should atleast 18 due to a solid base to gain of off. There is not special "genetic limit" that you wont reach. Tell that too tons of 270-300 lb IFBB pro's (living breathing proof). This is all BS and dont believe any of the skeptics unless they submit proof.
Another good requirement to start AAS would be to buy a book on them. Not your local borders or barnes & noble book. A William LLellywn Anabolics Book! Any edition after 2006 will due. And read it fully before you start. This is research and proof of the pros and cons of steriods. Unfortunately FDA will not allow long term AAS useage studies be conducted (due to ethical reasons) they have made some clinical research on these drugs. They have noted that a person is most likely genetically predisposed to be unable to recover from AAS useage. What does this mean. IF YOUR GENETIC F@#$%N S#!+, than dont use this powerfull stuff because you cant handle it.
Long as post and sorry but had to get off my chest.
P.S. If your scared, than get your bioligical age test dont like someone else already recommended. It really helps. I am 19 and i had mine done and biologically i am more mature (physically and mentally) than most 24 year olds. It looks it too. I have completed puberty and theres nothing left for my endocrine system to do. If you dont have the money to do this than you can probably go by the eyes. your eyes will not decieve you. if someones ugly there ugly if someone is tall there tall, if a friggen 19 year old had a thicker beard and more chest hair than your average 21 year old his endocrine system has done more woork than most 21 year olds sooner (better genetics). that is the truth. Lock n Load boys im gunna blow uppppp! youll be seein me in magazines and stuff and im gunna get fired over the fact of going public saying steroids between 18-21. it has to be known. this speculation is garbage. PEACE OUT. Én magyar és én jobb mint ön minden.
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10-20-2010, 04:05 AM #130Junior Member
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Whilst I agree don't cycle under 21 that is definitely too young.
More vague generic opinions, who has got conclusive hard scientific proof cycling before 25 means you are going to keel over and die? or do some damage if any at all.
Nobody... because there are probably no major health risks. Just a bunch of dudes on a forum copying and pasting each other who probably themselves cycled before 21 and now apparently "regret" it but never give reasons.
Just more food for the parrots on this board who keep repeating the same stuff over and over.
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11-14-2010, 09:18 AM #131New Member
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well i am considering if to take steroids i have been training for about a year now this year i well be 20 years and i am not seeing much difference dont know if i need the steroids to boost myself but i have been 190lbs for the last two years an i eating correct an i take my supplement so was just wondering if i should consider in taking sum steroids dont know if u could take it an when u reach your desired size if u could stop but i am goin to take tablets not injection.
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Great read but I would like to add just one thing. For all those 20-23 year olds out there that are considering using, I'm in the same exact boat as you are. The thought of gaining 10 or even 15 pounds of LEAN muscle mass IS appealing. I for one have my diet in check along with training, but am still hesitant b/c I feel I haven't reached my MAX natural potential. You see, it sounds great, 15 pounds, but... its just 15 lbs. And you just used steroids . There's more to it, think of your health first guys. Think of the negatives before you think of the positives. ARE YOU READY FOR ALL THE NEGATIVES ? Get your ego out of this decision and make a list, see if you really ARE ready. Don't fool your self, you're the man, don't mess your self up.
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01-08-2011, 04:11 AM #134Banned
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good informative read!
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01-17-2011, 11:56 PM #136
wish i had read this when i was 14. nice read
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So in essence since I have been able to make gains after lifting for years and keeping a good diet you are saying I have reached by natural limit? The funny thing is I am more muscular than anyone in my family. That includes my dad and two other uncles and grandfathers. Now granted they grew up in poverty like conditions with low budget nutrition and did not lift but my grandfather played football and was 146 lbs in high school way back and was considered strong... Have I reached my natural limit? I have a hard time dealing with saying yes and may have even pushed it a little bit... I am 25 but I feel no real difference in libido or energy levels which leads me to speculate that my natural test levels are still about the same or my training has kept me pumping and not noticing it...
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01-24-2011, 12:20 AM #138New Member
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hey this was way good, you have definitely put more of the "fear of god" in me when it comes to steroids . on that note you say that at my age 18 you should build a solid supplement base (not AAS) that is where i would really like some help. if anyone could give me some solid advice it would be greatly appreciated. I confess that i don't eat like six meals a day but i usually don't eat bad stuff either.
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01-24-2011, 12:24 AM #139
Good job. A lot of time and knowledge went into this post. It turned out well. I think the youngens questions were pretty much answered.
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01-24-2011, 05:43 AM #140New Member
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Was just wondering, have read a lot about the vets having to be on trt and shit now that they've run a few cycles over the years. Is this because of using when they were too young? If its not then it seems like you'll **** up your HPTA permanently regardless of what age you start at..?
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01-24-2011, 05:53 AM #141
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Age play a very important role since a fully developed organism can have better chances to manage the hormonal fluctuations and related implications involved when using androgenic -anabolic steroids .
That being said, avoiding the abuse of those drugs is a good path to follow in order "to survive" as long as possible.Last edited by BJJ; 01-24-2011 at 05:58 AM.
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01-24-2011, 06:03 AM #142New Member
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but by "as long as possible" you mean that everyone that uses AAS eventually will need TRT? Is the difference between individuals normally large or small? I mean can for example one guy do 2 cycles and have drastically declined natty test and another cycle all his life and not have an issue? or would it be that generally around say 10-15 cycles 90% of people will need trt? (just throwing out numbers to try and get an idea..) sorry if this is a difficult question
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01-24-2011, 04:04 PM #144Junior Member
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Well I think that for the sake of clarity-of the overall message-there were a bunch of inaccuracies.
For instance, testosterone levels don't disappear at age 40, unless there is some kind of medical condition which would preclude the age factor.
Perhaps it would be best to say that on average, at age 40, most males' test levels are such that growing and maintaining muscle becomes difficult to impossible.
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01-29-2011, 08:02 PM #145New Member
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This whole thread helped but at the same time kind of just left me in the same situation as before. On one hand people make it sound like if you do steroids at all your just screwed for life and nothing will ever be the same. Then on the other hand it seems that if done properly the body will recover and return to normal. I am inclined to believe that a little bit more, i mean the body naturally heals, its what it does although I know that could very easily be argued. My opinion s on it right now are if done properly taken with an anti estrogen it would potentially be just fine, of course with proper eating and training habits prior to the juice. All in all i guess im still just confused and looking for more ways to study and learn. I would really appreciate it if people could get me pointed in the right directions with books, other threads, etc. Thanks guys/gals any and all suggestions would be of great help
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01-29-2011, 08:36 PM #146Junior Member
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Great post but cortisone is a topical cream lol... your body makes CORTISOL
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01-29-2011, 08:44 PM #147Junior Member
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Var if you're smart and don't go cheap you'll be just fine.. its just more of what ur body makes.. but if you don't cycle with hcg your leydig cells will be destroyed FOREVER and they will NEVER heal or come back, that means you'll need to be on try for life.... for life. No healing.
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04-14-2011, 11:31 PM #148
i think 23-25 is a good age, depends also on your years of training...and try to get low body fat percentage before starting like 10% or so
i have been working out for almost 3 years now and will be 23 in a month..im thinking of waiting till next year when i become 24 because i think i still can gain more lbs naturally.
nice post bro
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thanks for this informational post.
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06-18-2011, 06:09 PM #150New Member
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Im 19 now and pretty sure I am fully grown as I am as tall as anyone else in my family if not the tallest. I have been gyming on and off for the past two years, nothing too serious though. Im thinking about taking some sort of steroids , I dont want to be huge, just want to gain muscle quickly to look better. I know i will have to work extremely hard and have a proper nutrition, but im wondering if i do one 6 week cycle, then get off it and carry on gyming hard and eating well, will i be bigger in the long-term?
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07-10-2011, 03:45 PM #151New Member
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Hi mate, were you really 17 when you took steroids ? an how did you feel after taking them?, im 19 and im planning to take oral Steroids which are tablets, but just wanted to hear from someone thats same age as me or below an there experience
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Thanks for very informative post. 28 here, was ill informed and ran along with a buddy around 4 years ago on a few cycles. I was not "well trained" nor at the correct bmi before starting and I regret doing it now. I lost all my gains and want to learn everything I didn't back then! Thanks again.
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Would it hurt to take dianabol for just a month? I am 18 years old and have worked out for 2 years now
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the whole thing is the world today once you hit 19-20 up until like 25 all you care about is "look" thats why your always going to have 20 year old doing roids. Ill admit i fall into this wanting to like awesome for clubbing music festivals etc etc so your never going to be able to stop people my age from doing them its how it is. Also i reckon when people hit 30 they are usually married got kids etc so alot of people then would be quitting that kind of lifestyle dont you reckon?
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hey dude im 21 done a cycle and ill tell you i loved it didnt get any noticable sides might later on down the track who knows but i kept most of my gains went from 86 KG with 7% bodyfat end of cycle was 98.5 8-9% bodyfat after mycyclke ive since gone on an 6 week europe trip so i didnt do any gym for 6 weeks started training again last week im now 9% bodyfat and 93 kg, my fram still looks like i did after my cycle might of lost 1/2 a inch on my arms which im confident i can get back to where i was before my next cycle ... everyone is different just remember that someones downfall might be your peak
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Great post I like it
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08-19-2011, 07:24 AM #159
>Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential.
Stopped reading here!
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08-24-2011, 02:15 AM #160New Member
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Im a 20 year old male that wants to do a deca /test 10 week cycle. I would rather wait till im a few years older but i have had 3 shoulder reconstructions and am 6 months post my 3rd op and my shoulder simply isnt healing very well. I am also beginning to start pulling and tearing muscles even though i have backed right off my gym work. Other than that im healthy and very athletic but cant play my sport because my shoulder wont heal for me. Do you guys think steroids is right for me?
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