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    does that mean that most 18yr olds are bound to regret taking steroids at that age?

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    if you have to shave every single day then you can use steroids .

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    Socio can you explain your rational behind this?

    "dont play sports and you will grow"

    sounds like bullshit but just wanted to see if there was a point to this

    I spoke to my doctor she assured me that a 12week cycle of test would not stunt my growth and my test levels would recover back to normal. as long as its done correctly

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    I was finding this article really useful tell I read the poster was only 18 himself at the time which makes me question where he's getting his info. This thread seems really torn between people who think it's fine to take aas around 18 and those who say wait tell your like 23-24, I just turned 21 and don't know what to think. I'm pretty sure I'm done growing as I'm 5'10 and most of the men in my family are around the same however there are 3-4 oddballs that 6'3+

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    How come arnold took them at such a young age and is perfectly fine and he surpassed his genetic potential. He weighed around 250 lbs thats more than his genetics were going to allow. I am 19, have perfect genetics, full beard, deep voice, im 6'2" (3 inches taller than all other blood related men in my family). I think im done growing. If i did stunt my growth i wouldnt care i like my height i dont want to be taller. Now back to AAS. If i used a minimal dosage, such as the one arnold used at ages16-19, of dianabol would i really interupt my endocrine system in a negative way long term. I really dont think so just because of arnolds evidence but i guess his evidence just doesnt stand up in steroid .com court. I have great muscle genetics yet im feel to thin. I look more like a muscle n fitness model than a bodybuilder. and to get that thicker look that im working so hard for, i will have to use steroids . im not gunna lie to myself. if i trained naturally for lets say 3 more years, i might reach 210-215. If use AAS in moderations i could get up to 230-245. I dont want to be 210, i want to be 230

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    First, Arnold was never 250. He was about 230 at contest weight, with probably 4% body fat, meaning he had roughly 220lbs of lean mass on his body. Maximum genetic potential is typically thought to be about 200, so he was only 10% over his genetic potential.

    Second, we don't know that he didn't have long term side effects. We do know he had a heart condition that required surgery a few years back. Could have been steroid related, as there has been a lot of research and studies done in this area. He has never publicized that he had side effects, but that doesn't mean that he didn't.

    Third, steroids were legal at the time, and were prescribed by doctors, who were basically using Arnold and other BBs as lab rats. The long term risks were totally unknown, as were the risks of using at such a young age.

    I was done growing in 8th grade. It doesn't mean my HPTA was set and stable. All the research shows that does not happen until 25 on average. Consequently, using steroids before 25 puts you at the risk of permanent damage to the HPTA, reduced natural test production for life, and other related side effects like ED, low sex drive, depression, etc. You take these risks for a short term gain. That's just plain foolish. Wait a couple years and you will achieve everything you want, with or without steroids. But if you do steroids wait until 25 at least.

    BTW, unless your doctor was an Endocrinologist I would take his advice with a grain of salt the size of a golf ball. Doctors tend to be arrogant and think they know everything, whether they do or not. A GP will not have the knowledge to comment on a thing like that effectively, and in truth doing so is essentially malpractice. I would not take steroids under the age of 25 based on the advice of a doctor, unless it was an Endo, and you had a legit hormone deficiency.

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    Very good info thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO Performance View Post
    First, Arnold was never 250. He was about 230 at contest weight, with probably 4% body fat, meaning he had roughly 220lbs of lean mass on his body. Maximum genetic potential is typically thought to be about 200, so he was only 10% over his genetic potential.

    Second, we don't know that he didn't have long term side effects. We do know he had a heart condition that required surgery a few years back. Could have been steroid related, as there has been a lot of research and studies done in this area. He has never publicized that he had side effects, but that doesn't mean that he didn't.

    Third, steroids were legal at the time, and were prescribed by doctors, who were basically using Arnold and other BBs as lab rats. The long term risks were totally unknown, as were the risks of using at such a young age.

    I was done growing in 8th grade. It doesn't mean my HPTA was set and stable. All the research shows that does not happen until 25 on average. Consequently, using steroids before 25 puts you at the risk of permanent damage to the HPTA, reduced natural test production for life, and other related side effects like ED, low sex drive, depression, etc. You take these risks for a short term gain. That's just plain foolish. Wait a couple years and you will achieve everything you want, with or without steroids. But if you do steroids wait until 25 at least.

    BTW, unless your doctor was an Endocrinologist I would take his advice with a grain of salt the size of a golf ball. Doctors tend to be arrogant and think they know everything, whether they do or not. A GP will not have the knowledge to comment on a thing like that effectively, and in truth doing so is essentially malpractice. I would not take steroids under the age of 25 based on the advice of a doctor, unless it was an Endo, and you had a legit hormone deficiency.
    Dude you are so wrong. Not to argue but you are seriously wrong.
    First, That extra 10% made him successful. If he was 200 he wouldnt have been mr olympia, nor an actor, and without those he wouldnt have had the funds to be the governor.

    Second he was born with the heart condition, his father had it also. And he has admitted to no long term damage except the cosmetic saggy skin from being stretched with muscle. Thats something i can live with when im 60. Also his endocrine system did not suffer an iota of damage. He was filled with testosterone and even had his last kid when he was like 47. There is nothing wrong with them since he used them responsibly and not at the dosage some idiots do these days.

    Finally, all this nonsense about being under 25 is solely speculation. Nothing more. There are no studies that have ever proved this so without scientific evidence it doesnt stand strong. In fact doctors prescribe a short cycle of test to boys ages 14-16 whos ball and test production isnt working right or needs some help getting it going. They wouldnt do that if there test levels would never recover. on thing i do agree with is the attitude of some doctors thinking they know it all. in essence it is true but its there attitude because they went to school for 4 extra years to learn about every single sytem in the body in small detail. Doctors do not have the forums on steroids that we have nor the "experience" knoweledge, but they have the clinical knowelegde which is the only actuall proof. Specialists like an endocrinologist obviously knows more about their field but a normal general primary will know that the endocrine system is no different than anything else in the body and WILL heal itself over time. NO EXCEPTION IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS! Sure there are some cases where a 16 year old will take steriods for too long with no pct and screw up his body. But only when the individual was not healthy enough or genetically able to handle that much androgens. Its that simple. If it was possible to take a survey on all the men in the world over 35 that took AAS age 18-21, most of them would have no problems and most of them probly wouldnt regret it. I have no proof for that but look around on these kinda of forum threads, many people say i started 19 no regrets. my father took them when he was 20 and he is perfectly fine. He had no idea what pct was and took them for like 5 months at a time. And he FULLY RECOVERED!He loved them but cannot take them anymore due to cholesterol issues(runs in the family, not due to AAS). As i said earlier only genetically decent and better should be taking these hormones. I bet you all know that guy in the gym that has been working out for 3 freekin years and still looks like s#!+. Those are the guys who you see screwing up there bodies from useing steroids. simply because theyre genetic garbage and are ruining our gene pool anyway. I dont mean to be a jackass but its like "god" or whoever is out there took away there balls for a reason. Steroids would make genetic garbage more attractive to women with good genetics, thus alowing to ruin a perfectly good genetic baby. He/It/GOD wont let that happen.

    One thing for sure is that you should atleast 18 due to a solid base to gain of off. There is not special "genetic limit" that you wont reach. Tell that too tons of 270-300 lb IFBB pro's (living breathing proof). This is all BS and dont believe any of the skeptics unless they submit proof.

    Another good requirement to start AAS would be to buy a book on them. Not your local borders or barnes & noble book. A William LLellywn Anabolics Book! Any edition after 2006 will due. And read it fully before you start. This is research and proof of the pros and cons of steriods. Unfortunately FDA will not allow long term AAS useage studies be conducted (due to ethical reasons) they have made some clinical research on these drugs. They have noted that a person is most likely genetically predisposed to be unable to recover from AAS useage. What does this mean. IF YOUR GENETIC [email protected]#$%N S#!+, than dont use this powerfull stuff because you cant handle it.

    Long as post and sorry but had to get off my chest.


    P.S. If your scared, than get your bioligical age test dont like someone else already recommended. It really helps. I am 19 and i had mine done and biologically i am more mature (physically and mentally) than most 24 year olds. It looks it too. I have completed puberty and theres nothing left for my endocrine system to do. If you dont have the money to do this than you can probably go by the eyes. your eyes will not decieve you. if someones ugly there ugly if someone is tall there tall, if a friggen 19 year old had a thicker beard and more chest hair than your average 21 year old his endocrine system has done more woork than most 21 year olds sooner (better genetics). that is the truth. Lock n Load boys im gunna blow uppppp! youll be seein me in magazines and stuff and im gunna get fired over the fact of going public saying steroids between 18-21. it has to be known. this speculation is garbage. PEACE OUT. Én magyar és én jobb mint ön minden.

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    Whilst I agree don't cycle under 21 that is definitely too young.

    More vague generic opinions, who has got conclusive hard scientific proof cycling before 25 means you are going to keel over and die? or do some damage if any at all.

    Nobody... because there are probably no major health risks. Just a bunch of dudes on a forum copying and pasting each other who probably themselves cycled before 21 and now apparently "regret" it but never give reasons.

    Just more food for the parrots on this board who keep repeating the same stuff over and over.

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    Cool steroids

    well i am considering if to take steroids i have been training for about a year now this year i well be 20 years and i am not seeing much difference dont know if i need the steroids to boost myself but i have been 190lbs for the last two years an i eating correct an i take my supplement so was just wondering if i should consider in taking sum steroids dont know if u could take it an when u reach your desired size if u could stop but i am goin to take tablets not injection.

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    Great read but I would like to add just one thing. For all those 20-23 year olds out there that are considering using, I'm in the same exact boat as you are. The thought of gaining 10 or even 15 pounds of LEAN muscle mass IS appealing. I for one have my diet in check along with training, but am still hesitant b/c I feel I haven't reached my MAX natural potential. You see, it sounds great, 15 pounds, but... its just 15 lbs. And you just used steroids . There's more to it, think of your health first guys. Think of the negatives before you think of the positives. ARE YOU READY FOR ALL THE NEGATIVES ? Get your ego out of this decision and make a list, see if you really ARE ready. Don't fool your self, you're the man, don't mess your self up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steffan View Post
    well i am considering if to take steroids i have been training for about a year now this year i well be 20 years and i am not seeing much difference dont know if i need the steroids to boost myself but i have been 190lbs for the last two years an i eating correct an i take my supplement so was just wondering if i should consider in taking sum steroids dont know if u could take it an when u reach your desired size if u could stop but i am goin to take tablets not injection.
    Man, no offense but you're as wrong as a dolphin having sex with another dolphin. If you've been 190 lbs for the last TWO years, you are NOT eating correct. Sorry bud. Up the calories. Don't shy away from peanut butter and olive oil.

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    good informative read!

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    im 38 and my t-levels were high before cycle, so this hits different people at different ages.
    Quote Originally Posted by D00fy View Post
    "What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

    By: Brandon Walsh
    This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

    At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

    Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

    When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

    Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

    Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

    So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

    No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

    So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

    We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

    For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

    By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

    Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

    Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

    I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

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    wish i had read this when i was 14. nice read

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    So in essence since I have been able to make gains after lifting for years and keeping a good diet you are saying I have reached by natural limit? The funny thing is I am more muscular than anyone in my family. That includes my dad and two other uncles and grandfathers. Now granted they grew up in poverty like conditions with low budget nutrition and did not lift but my grandfather played football and was 146 lbs in high school way back and was considered strong... Have I reached my natural limit? I have a hard time dealing with saying yes and may have even pushed it a little bit... I am 25 but I feel no real difference in libido or energy levels which leads me to speculate that my natural test levels are still about the same or my training has kept me pumping and not noticing it...

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    hey this was way good, you have definitely put more of the "fear of god" in me when it comes to steroids . on that note you say that at my age 18 you should build a solid supplement base (not AAS) that is where i would really like some help. if anyone could give me some solid advice it would be greatly appreciated. I confess that i don't eat like six meals a day but i usually don't eat bad stuff either.

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    Good job. A lot of time and knowledge went into this post. It turned out well. I think the youngens questions were pretty much answered.

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    Was just wondering, have read a lot about the vets having to be on trt and shit now that they've run a few cycles over the years. Is this because of using when they were too young? If its not then it seems like you'll **** up your HPTA permanently regardless of what age you start at..?

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    Age play a very important role since a fully developed organism can have better chances to manage the hormonal fluctuations and related implications involved when using androgenic -anabolic steroids .
    That being said, avoiding the abuse of those drugs is a good path to follow in order "to survive" as long as possible.
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    but by "as long as possible" you mean that everyone that uses AAS eventually will need TRT? Is the difference between individuals normally large or small? I mean can for example one guy do 2 cycles and have drastically declined natty test and another cycle all his life and not have an issue? or would it be that generally around say 10-15 cycles 90% of people will need trt? (just throwing out numbers to try and get an idea..) sorry if this is a difficult question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arai View Post
    but by "as long as possible" you mean that everyone that uses AAS eventually will need TRT? Is the difference between individuals normally large or small? I mean can for example one guy do 2 cycles and have drastically declined natty test and another cycle all his life and not have an issue? or would it be that generally around say 10-15 cycles 90% of people will need trt? (just throwing out numbers to try and get an idea..) sorry if this is a difficult question
    The question is not difficult but the answer is...

    There is no statistical data, as far as I am concerned, to validate your assumption.
    In any case, if the common rules for using aas are followed, it is a matter of own genetics.

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    Well I think that for the sake of clarity-of the overall message-there were a bunch of inaccuracies.
    For instance, testosterone levels don't disappear at age 40, unless there is some kind of medical condition which would preclude the age factor.
    Perhaps it would be best to say that on average, at age 40, most males' test levels are such that growing and maintaining muscle becomes difficult to impossible.

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    This whole thread helped but at the same time kind of just left me in the same situation as before. On one hand people make it sound like if you do steroids at all your just screwed for life and nothing will ever be the same. Then on the other hand it seems that if done properly the body will recover and return to normal. I am inclined to believe that a little bit more, i mean the body naturally heals, its what it does although I know that could very easily be argued. My opinion s on it right now are if done properly taken with an anti estrogen it would potentially be just fine, of course with proper eating and training habits prior to the juice. All in all i guess im still just confused and looking for more ways to study and learn. I would really appreciate it if people could get me pointed in the right directions with books, other threads, etc. Thanks guys/gals any and all suggestions would be of great help

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    Great post but cortisone is a topical cream lol... your body makes CORTISOL

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    Var if you're smart and don't go cheap you'll be just fine.. its just more of what ur body makes.. but if you don't cycle with hcg your leydig cells will be destroyed FOREVER and they will NEVER heal or come back, that means you'll need to be on try for life.... for life. No healing.

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    i think 23-25 is a good age, depends also on your years of training...and try to get low body fat percentage before starting like 10% or so
    i have been working out for almost 3 years now and will be 23 in a month..im thinking of waiting till next year when i become 24 because i think i still can gain more lbs naturally.
    nice post bro

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    thanks for this informational post.

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    Im 19 now and pretty sure I am fully grown as I am as tall as anyone else in my family if not the tallest. I have been gyming on and off for the past two years, nothing too serious though. Im thinking about taking some sort of steroids , I dont want to be huge, just want to gain muscle quickly to look better. I know i will have to work extremely hard and have a proper nutrition, but im wondering if i do one 6 week cycle, then get off it and carry on gyming hard and eating well, will i be bigger in the long-term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVLDOG View Post
    I dont like the article.its just an opinion someone has.we all have them.

    I was 17 when I started,Im now 35, 6'2" or 3" not really sure and 290+ lbs,there is absolutely no one in my family anywhere near my size.My father is 5'10" Mother 5'6" and skinny,brothers all 6' or smaller and under 200lbs.

    kind of blows his theory right out of the water.
    Hi mate, were you really 17 when you took steroids ? an how did you feel after taking them?, im 19 and im planning to take oral Steroids which are tablets, but just wanted to hear from someone thats same age as me or below an there experience

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    Thanks for very informative post. 28 here, was ill informed and ran along with a buddy around 4 years ago on a few cycles. I was not "well trained" nor at the correct bmi before starting and I regret doing it now. I lost all my gains and want to learn everything I didn't back then! Thanks again.

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    Would it hurt to take dianabol for just a month? I am 18 years old and have worked out for 2 years now

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    the whole thing is the world today once you hit 19-20 up until like 25 all you care about is "look" thats why your always going to have 20 year old doing roids. Ill admit i fall into this wanting to like awesome for clubbing music festivals etc etc so your never going to be able to stop people my age from doing them its how it is. Also i reckon when people hit 30 they are usually married got kids etc so alot of people then would be quitting that kind of lifestyle dont you reckon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushan_7 View Post
    Hi mate, were you really 17 when you took steroids? an how did you feel after taking them?, im 19 and im planning to take oral Steroids which are tablets, but just wanted to hear from someone thats same age as me or below an there experience
    hey dude im 21 done a cycle and ill tell you i loved it didnt get any noticable sides might later on down the track who knows but i kept most of my gains went from 86 KG with 7% bodyfat end of cycle was 98.5 8-9% bodyfat after mycyclke ive since gone on an 6 week europe trip so i didnt do any gym for 6 weeks started training again last week im now 9% bodyfat and 93 kg, my fram still looks like i did after my cycle might of lost 1/2 a inch on my arms which im confident i can get back to where i was before my next cycle ... everyone is different just remember that someones downfall might be your peak

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    Great post I like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    hey dude im 21 done a cycle and ill tell you i loved it didnt get any noticable sides might later on down the track who knows but i kept most of my gains went from 86 KG with 7% bodyfat end of cycle was 98.5 8-9% bodyfat after mycyclke ive since gone on an 6 week europe trip so i didnt do any gym for 6 weeks started training again last week im now 9% bodyfat and 93 kg, my fram still looks like i did after my cycle might of lost 1/2 a inch on my arms which im confident i can get back to where i was before my next cycle ... everyone is different just remember that someones downfall might be your peak
    do not encourage young use here if you want to be around for long.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by dec11 View Post
    do not encourage young use here if you want to be around for long.........
    he was lucky. i got ****ed over a PH cycle !
    some people are just lucky but dont push ur luck. im almost 24 and still got ****ed up over this stupid PH

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    >Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential.

    Stopped reading here!

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    Im a 20 year old male that wants to do a deca /test 10 week cycle. I would rather wait till im a few years older but i have had 3 shoulder reconstructions and am 6 months post my 3rd op and my shoulder simply isnt healing very well. I am also beginning to start pulling and tearing muscles even though i have backed right off my gym work. Other than that im healthy and very athletic but cant play my sport because my shoulder wont heal for me. Do you guys think steroids is right for me?

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