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    i have used lion as well. noproblems with shipment and getting to product.
    there viagra isn't worth shit though.

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    I say Go with what you know.

    Service has never been an issue for me.

    Issues regarding product, underdosing and so on can only be verified by a lab. Unless someone is willing to have it tested, than I guess we have to assume it is legit!
    Results would then be up to the individual and it seems the majority here will validate the effectiveness of the products.
    So the allegations go to motive, and what do we really care about the motives IF the products work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crane
    i have used lion as well. noproblems with shipment and getting to product.
    there viagra isn't worth shit though.

    true dat....but that cialis is wicked great.......

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    count me in on Lion's side.

    Ordered half a dozen times and never ONE problem.

    it's my expectation that he will keep it that way.

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    everytime i've used lion i've had no problem's

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    Why is it that LIONS products are SO horrible, YET... I leave this post up to get bashed and the only thing I see is how fast and great his products are. Im sorry guys (who think LION runs a shaddy business), but proof is all being printed right here. If LION has over 100 orders a day from this site... where are all of those pissed off customers???? THATS the proof right there. I would replace his ass in a NEW YORK MINUTE if it was needed.

    If we based our desissions on rummors, we would not have ONE company that was good enough to use and im talking about in ANY business. Like I said... very sad. We have a small group of people that are the same ones who are speaking up about his products.. WHY??? Im serious... WHY? Give me solid proof...

    Watch... now that I posted this.. we will have tons of people with 1-20 posts who pop up just to say their products sucked... UGH! SHOW ME PROOF, but until then, I will have his back because he has earned a good reputation from my stand point.

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    I wanna know what Mass said and why it got deleted.

    I order all my extra stuff from lion - fast shipping, stuff seems to work (no gyno and the clen makes me shake like a whore in church for a couple examples).
    no complaints on my end.. but I still want to know why Mass wasn't allowed to speak up.

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    Mass Junkie simply said this:

    "Friends dont let friends buy Lion Nutrition products"

    That was all that was said and all that was deleted.

    This type of post is NOT allowed by anyone and staff are held at a much higher standards. He knew better but wanted to be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by system admin
    Mass Junkie simply said this:

    "Friends dont let friends buy Lion Nutrition products"

    That was all that was said and all that was deleted.

    This type of post is NOT allowed by anyone and staff are held at a much higher standards. He knew better but wanted to be banned.
    he also mentioned that he knew the people that were being referred to in #5 and #6 of the original post.

    but i agree, he knew what he was doing...

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    Lion is great, thanks lion for service!

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    No Problems

    I currently am the Pres. of two large companies, and I expect to have business taken care of! I have found Lion to deliver what he promises. Deliveries are timely, product tends to be good (Viagra still being tested ), and overall professionalism has been excellent! My 2 cents worth!

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    This post deleted as the answer to this was posted 3-4 posts up.

    bc

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    Cialis is NO JOKE Ollie, but it gives me a slight headache... what about you?

    Bc

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    never used lions gear myself but if i could not get what i wanted i would not hesitate to use something that was endorsed by this site!!
    just my 2 cents!!

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    Seriously guys, think about it from a buisness point of view. Brian said it best. Why the hell would lion underdose his stuff.. its not like he makes anything from doing that.. the powder dosent cost shit.. its the mixing time. Filtering and the rest of the stuff that drives the cost up. EVERY business that has ever been open has had people who hate them and people who love them. You absolutly cannot satisfy everyone. No matter what you do someone will whine. I didnt mention this in my other post but i will now. I have NEVER waited longer then 3 days for my orders from Lion. It is propaganda with a little bit of truth.. did lions products come dosed low? i doubt it.. But mistakes can happen. Did his packages show up late a few times.. i am sure they have. Did some pop open with loose tape "this was my fav" How petty can you get.. im sure tape came loose.. thats ****ing life.. did lion threaten somone? Who knows.. but seriously i doubt it.
    Now on the massjunkie thing.. some were squaking about why did his post get deleted.. Mass, the vets and the mods represent and are a reflection of AR. Who in turn are a reflection of BC the guy who owns this. When you are saposed to be part of the solution and become part of the problem you not only loose respect for yourself but for everyone you represent. Thats just plain and simple. You cant be in a position where you represent this board and then out of the side of your neck talk shit about the #1 sponsor.

    Common guys.. you know i dont hold anything back.. as i said IMO this stuff is all shit anyways hehe... i have no agenda here.. i speak the truth. just be glad that they left this thread up at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranzit
    Seriously guys, think about it from a buisness point of view. Brian said it best. Why the hell would lion underdose his stuff.. its not like he makes anything from doing that.. the powder dosent cost shit.. its the mixing time. Filtering and the rest of the stuff that drives the cost up. EVERY business that has ever been open has had people who hate them and people who love them. You absolutly cannot satisfy everyone. No matter what you do someone will whine. I didnt mention this in my other post but i will now. I have NEVER waited longer then 3 days for my orders from Lion. It is propaganda with a little bit of truth.. did lions products come dosed low? i doubt it.. But mistakes can happen. Did his packages show up late a few times.. i am sure they have. Did some pop open with loose tape "this was my fav" How petty can you get.. im sure tape came loose.. thats ****ing life.. did lion threaten somone? Who knows.. but seriously i doubt it.
    Now on the massjunkie thing.. some were squaking about why did his post get deleted.. Mass, the vets and the mods represent and are a reflection of AR. Who in turn are a reflection of BC the guy who owns this. When you are saposed to be part of the solution and become part of the problem you not only loose respect for yourself but for everyone you represent. Thats just plain and simple. You cant be in a position where you represent this board and then out of the side of your neck talk shit about the #1 sponsor.

    Common guys.. you know i dont hold anything back.. as i said IMO this stuff is all shit anyways hehe... i have no agenda here.. i speak the truth. just be glad that they left this thread up at all.
    its the vets job to look out for the noobs and educate them.... not kiss ass to something he doesnt believe in..... which is what should be expected, and respected from the vets... i personally know MJ is a stand up guy, and has no reasoning behind what he ever says cept to help others.... i guess you new guys cant see that... take a good look back thrui his posts and maybe you will

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    No what i see and have always seen is you contribute nothing but shit to this board.. Im sure MJ is a fine person IRL.. but as i said you cant do what he did and expect to remain part of the team. His FIRST job is to respect and support his team. Period. He didnt do this.

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    hard to respect a team you're a part of when you disagree to the core with things going on.

    that's why a lot of good guys have been banned, "retired" or have just left this site.

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    When your goals are diffrent then the rest of your team. You are no longer part of a team. I have NO problem with mass. I am just trying to get you guys to understand from a business point of view why this had to be done.

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    Well i have ordered from lion 4 or 5 times and every time the product seems to work great,and every time i have ordered with regular shipping i have recieved my products in 3 days never longer.. I dont know Lion Personaly as some of you may but he is a reputable Business in my eyes..
    Thanks Lion

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    I dont want to turn this thread into something else than what it is, but I will say this:

    LOOK UP AT THE MEMBERS COMMENTS Decadbol! WHERE IS the PROOF of foul business?! How is it looking out for members when you have ZERO proof of ANY scamming and ALL THE PROOF of how good he takes care of his customers. I dont exactly know what Mass contributed here to be honest. I respect that you are sticking up for you friend, but BUSINESS goes to a different level than just friendship. His comments were damaging to our sponsor and are/were without merit. When you say something like that and you are staff here... you better have something better than rummors. Sorry Deca ... but this is not the end of the problem. I refuse to watch a good business get slandered without something validated. Not on my watch. I would not stand for ANYONE to be attacked (physically or otherwise) if they are getting jumped. Thats what is happening here. Until someone shows me why... Im fighting for this man who has many (this thread included) happy customers. This industry is not rocket science and if Lion is selling bunk shit.. so are the rest of them.

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    I dont have anything against mass either, but asking the owner to be removed... will get you removed.

    He had very few posts over the last few months

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    ROTFL! *walks in the trump towers* Points at man.. you see this man with the bad comb over haircut GET HIM OUTA HERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb25
    hard to respect a team you're a part of when you disagree to the core with things going on.

    that's why a lot of good guys have been banned, "retired" or have just left this site.

    This is not the last of staff leaving. I respect peoples beliefes and if they feel that strong about the situation... It is completly understandable that they stand for what they believe in. I remember the last time something like this happend.... SOOO many people left here because they believed some rumors... they burned bridges here and then it turned out that they were fooled and listend to garbage. Many were able to come back and no hard feelings were felt. I hope it doesnt have to go that far this time. IF Lion turns out to be a scammer or a cheat... I will have the back of the complaining parties... until then.. I have my stance and they have theirs. Just to remind everyone... I CAN replace him and I would... but I have no reasons at this time.

    Bc

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    hahha Tranzit! STOP! This is supposed to be a serious thread!!!

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    REPLACE HIM WITH TRANZIT MOTORSPORTS!!!! i cant give them clen but ill get them superchargers!!

    Quote Originally Posted by system admin
    hahha Tranzit! STOP! This is supposed to be a serious thread!!!

    haha Ok ill stop.. but how can a thread that is a Joke from post 1 be serious?

    Look man i aint fallin foe no banana in ma tail pipe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by system admin
    This is not the last of staff leaving. I respect peoples beliefes and if they feel that strong about the situation... It is completly understandable that they stand for what they believe in. I remember the last time something like this happend.... SOOO many people left here because they believed some rumors... they burned bridges here and then it turned out that they were fooled and listend to garbage. Many were able to come back and no hard feelings were felt. I hope it doesnt have to go that far this time. IF Lion turns out to be a scammer or a cheat... I will have the back of the complaining parties... until then.. I have my stance and they have theirs. Just to remind everyone... I CAN replace him and I would... but I have no reasons at this time.

    Bc
    You've always been fair with your judgement as far as I have seen in the past and I trust that you will keep your work if Lion does turn out to be a scammer or whatever. I do think you need to look at some of the complaints against the Clen + T3 that has been sold recently... There have been a LOT of complaints of it just not working. For the record I don't think Lion is a scammer but accidents do happen. I mean, Clen with no shakes?! For real?

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    great post script and I appreciate that. I am fair and I will continue to look after the members. The purpose of this thread being left up was to get feed back. I have not seen any evidence of his stuff being week, bunk, etc...

    Our former admin even says it makes him shake our of his skin with only 2 squirts...

    I will continue to pay attention. I give everyone my word on that, but I will not sentence a guy to prison without proof. He deserves better than that.

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    lion has always provided great customer service and timely delivery

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    Great service from Lion for me. I also monitor my CC transactions closely and havent had any problems with Lion. Until he screws me I am going to continue buying from him.

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    I've never dealt with Lion but have only read positive reports about his business and products. This is the first critisism of his business/products I've seen, be it business driven or not. Unless there' solid proof of this "scamming" etc...This thread is a watse of time and CPU space IMHO.

    Without evidence this thread is based on exactly that...A rumour.

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    There will be more to leave and we will push on. The strong beliefs of human nature and the guys who stand up for them... I admire to no end. It is a shame however that the customers are speaking up without problems and so many still wish to leave. Thats a way of thinking that I will have to admit that I dont understand.

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    I have got what I ordered from Lion quick and never had any problems, good service.

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    a little underdosed, but TA and customer service was great

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    Never had a problem with Lion or his products. Smells fishy to me!

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    Why are you deleting posts. There was one by Stymtech and I replied to it, now its gone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverenuff21
    a little underdosed, but TA and customer service was great

    Did you get it lab tested? If not how do you know it was underdosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Why are you deleting posts. There was one by Stymtech and I replied to it, now its gone...
    He deleted his own posts.

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