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04-22-2006, 06:16 PM #1
**Dianaviron: The ULTIMATE Anabolic Bridge**
KEEP 100% OF YOUR GAINS!
Do NOT discontinue anabolic steroids ABRUPTLY!
Post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified..
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between TESTICULAR inhibtion and PITUITARY inhibition!
MAINTAINING PITUITARY FUNCTION is neccessary in order for Testosterone levels to begin increasing. No matter how much Arimidex or Clomid you take, if your PITUITARY is not responsive, neither will be your testicles. Ergo, we must first restore PITUITARY function before we can restore TESICULAR function.
We MUST discontinue all PITUITARY-inhibiting compounds(Testosterone, Nanrolone, Trenbolone) at least 6 weeks before we can even THINK about getting our testosterone levels back up. During this 6 week period AFTER those compounds have been discontinued, we begin administering compounds that are NOT inhibitory to the pituitary(even though they all supress testicular function) such as Oxandrolone, Methandrostenelone, Stanzolol, Methenelone, and Masteron , and Proviron This will allow your body to remain in an anabolic state WHILE YOUR PITUITARY BEGINS TO RECOVER.
Your body MUST remain in an anabolic state while the pituitary begins to recover.
Enter "Dianaviron", the ULTIMATE anabolic bridge.
Dianabol has only a minimal influence on the HPTA, despite being even more anabolic than testosterone. One 10mg dosage will drastically increase testosterone concentrations, and will also significantly reduce CORTISOL, which is utterly important post-cycle.
Proviron will increase FREE test levels, decrease SHBG, decrease ESTROGEN, and it binds well to the A-R providing the muscles with density and hardness. Studies have shown that Proviron can be used with NO EFFECT on the HPTA*
KEEP your gains! By combining low doses of Dianabol with Proviron in a post-cycle environment, one can not only maintain all of their hard-earned gains, but continue to make muscular gains up until their next full cycle--ALL WITHOUT affecting the HPTA!
Dianaviron should be run as follows:
Dianabol: 10-20mgs ED
Proviron: 50mgs ED
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NOT ALL ANDROGENS CAUSE SHUTDOWN*
"Shutdown", is defined by a COMPLETE inhibition of the Pituitary/Testes, resulting in a TOTAL cessation of endogenous androgen production.
SOME androgens will only SUPPRESS endogenous androgen production, resulting in a DECREASED testosterone level, but not a complete shutdown. (Tbol, Var, Wistrol, EQ, Dianabol, masteron, proviron, halo, primo)
Very Androgenic /Progestenic/Estrogenic steroids (Tren , Deca , Drol, Test) cause a COMPLETE shutdown of endogenous hormone production.
The distinction between SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN is utterly important, as steroids that cause LESS supression of endogenous hormones will allow for greater retention of gains upon ending the cycle, and a quicker, easier PCT.
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Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.Related Articles, Links
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.
Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.
We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone , estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS
[R]Last edited by -The Ross-; 04-22-2006 at 06:57 PM.
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04-22-2006, 06:22 PM #2
Low Doses?? What would you consider low doses?? Would like to know more about this.
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04-22-2006, 06:28 PM #4
Big K I'll let you take care of this. I have to head out to work.................
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04-22-2006, 06:42 PM #5Member
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Is m1t a total shutdown steriod ?
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04-22-2006, 06:50 PM #6VET Retired
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Sorry Ross we already established the importance of proviron in a PCT protocol, however for maintaining gains in the time period you stated it will not be effective because proviron is not directly anabolic .
Also your theory has one critical flaw IMHO.
The use of 'light' AAS like primo in this case won't matter because once you're shut down you can't recover with any type of AAS in your blood. So they are no special AAS needed to do what you're proposing, just use test prop..................... oh wait............... we do that already.
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04-22-2006, 06:52 PM #7VET Retired
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Originally Posted by Jayhova
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04-22-2006, 06:53 PM #8
You failed to understand the distinction between TESTICULAR supression and PITUITARY supression.
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04-22-2006, 07:05 PM #10VET Retired
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Dianaviron man were do you come up with these names? Your post has merit, it's just that IMO 'dianaviron' is not needed when the user can run a short acting testosterone .
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04-22-2006, 07:06 PM #11Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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04-22-2006, 07:09 PM #12Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Thus, Dianaviron is warranted.
Big K, give it a shot. Nice to see you made VET by the way....
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04-22-2006, 07:16 PM #13Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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04-22-2006, 07:22 PM #14VET Retired
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Originally Posted by -The Ross-
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04-22-2006, 07:22 PM #15Originally Posted by SMAN12B
That is the POINT of this thread.
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04-22-2006, 07:23 PM #16
Methandrostenelone is INHIBITORY to the TESTICLES--NOT the PITUITARY.
I enjoy the discussion.
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Originally Posted by SMAN12B
I just think test prop can do the job just fine, not the other drugs he listed, (except 'dianaviron' that may work but not for 6 weeks) test is best once again in this case.
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04-22-2006, 07:35 PM #18
Thanks again Big!!
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Where did you get the 6 week time frame from? Also what differentiates pituitary and testicular shutdown/suppression?
It's not called the H.P.T.A for nothing
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thank god for the vets in this forum, or guys like ross would be making everyone look like lyle alzado for #### sakes
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04-22-2006, 09:25 PM #21
can you drink winny mate?
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04-22-2006, 09:32 PM #22Originally Posted by manofsteel69
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04-22-2006, 09:33 PM #23
I heart ross....in the butt
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04-22-2006, 09:36 PM #24Originally Posted by kloter1
Why yes you can.... and a monkey will eat dirt if you make him....
and Ross... lets not do this again...Good Enough Never Is....
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04-22-2006, 09:38 PM #25
ROSS I thought you were banned man
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04-22-2006, 09:38 PM #26
is ross staying?
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04-22-2006, 09:45 PM #27
I vote yes for ross he seems to have some "different" ideas about AAS guys looking back to the 60's they did some strange cycles some times no PCT or some times stay on for a whole year... I heard some football players and boxers would take d-bol for 8-10 weeks @ 50 to 100mgs...so maybe ROSS is on the cutting edge or maybe he is misanthropic brat...the only things is that I have read he scammed bros before.
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04-22-2006, 10:03 PM #28
...ross has been permanently banned...it should remain that way....
AGThere are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
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04-22-2006, 10:08 PM #29
almostgone nice avvy
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04-22-2006, 10:20 PM #30Junior Member
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Originally Posted by Liftnainez
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04-22-2006, 10:30 PM #31Associate Member
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This guy seems like an assclown w/ 5 post (but apparently has been banned before) coming to our site trying to promote some shit which I'm sure in some way will make him some money,
Ban him
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04-22-2006, 10:37 PM #32
My physique speaks for itself--and so does my HEALTH. (At 5''10, 210lbs, 7%BF)
Not trying to sound arrogant, but accomplishments speak volumes.
I invented the Turinabol /Var stack, I invented "Dianavar".
Anything I share in my articles, I have PERSONALLY done myself.
And--Dianaviron works!
So--if you want to keep using OUTDATED PCT regimens with crude SERM's and lose your PRECIOUS muscle--suit yourself.
For those of us who want to keep every POUND, we have Dianaviron.
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04-22-2006, 10:43 PM #33
yay ross made it past 10 posts without getting banned
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04-22-2006, 10:47 PM #34
honestly i do enjoy reading your unconventional methods. Its nice to see someone else thinks outside the bubble
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04-22-2006, 10:47 PM #35
Maybe if you hadnt pissed everyone on here off theyd let you stay...
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04-22-2006, 10:55 PM #36Originally Posted by -The Ross-
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04-22-2006, 10:59 PM #37Originally Posted by -The Ross-
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04-22-2006, 11:00 PM #38
Ross do you have a degree in physic or chem I forget..
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04-22-2006, 11:01 PM #39you also invented taking it in the a$$ and the "rimjob"
hahahahaahhaa, dude why you so mad??
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04-22-2006, 11:02 PM #40
cause hes like a plague man- he keeps coming back and tainting our board
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