Is there a varying degree that one can be "shutdown" ?

**guest589745** · 11-25-2006, 03:37 PM

Or is it either shutdown or not?

Know what I'm sayin?

Just makin sure......

**Triple X** · 11-25-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Or is it either shutdown or not?

Know what I'm sayin?

Just makin sure......

Absolutely can vary

**ecivon** · 11-25-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Triple X

Absolutely can vary

Yeah, I agree. Sometimes might have to slap the shit out of the little bugger to get it to work.

**Xtralarg** · 11-25-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by ecivon

Yeah, I agree. Sometimes might have to slap the shit out of the little bugger to get it to work.

It goes beyond 'getting the little bugger to work'.I have friends who suffer with serious psycholicical disorders due to permanent shut down/supression.

**ecivon** · 11-25-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

It goes beyond 'getting the little bugger to work'.I have friends who suffer with serious psycholicical disorders due to permanent shut down/supression.

My last cycle was exactly a year ago and included deca and I have not fully recovered. Plan one beginning next week (again with deca) and will use hcg , aromasin and nolva for pct and see what happens.

**Xtralarg** · 11-25-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by ecivon

My last cycle was exactly a year ago and included deca and I have not fully recovered. Plan one beginning next week (again with deca) and will use hcg, aromasin and nolva for pct and see what happens.

When you say you hav'nt fully recovered, how exactly have you been affected?

**worldpower** · 12-17-2006, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Xtralarg

It goes beyond 'getting the little bugger to work'.I have friends who suffer with serious psycholicical disorders due to permanent shut down/supression.

their shutdown permanantly by aas? what are the odds of this happening?!

**Xtralarg** · 11-25-2006, 04:10 PM

Yes, I think there is varying degree. Its something that will sneak up on you and you wont know before its possibly too late.

All IMHO, DYOR etc etc

**guest589745** · 11-25-2006, 04:15 PM

How can you determine how much any given steroid will shut you down ?

I know we are all going to vary from one to another but is there a basic way to estimate this ?

**plzr8** · 11-25-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

How can you determine how much any given steroid will shut you down ?

I know we are all going to vary from one to another but is there a basic way to estimate this ?

i can only comment on "shutdowns" from personal experience and i do believe the amount of shutdown does vary, which is why i personally stay away from deca , as i feel it has shut me down harder in the past when trying to recover during pct when compared to other anabolics

**GHO5T** · 11-25-2006, 04:21 PM

this thread and all the posts in it proves my point exactly skullsmasher

**guest589745** · 11-25-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by GHO5T

this thread and all the posts in it proves my point exactly skullsmasher

Not really. It just proves that it can vary, not that having a higher amount of test than deca and masteron is required, or that boldenone gives you "drier gains" than deca or "quality muscle".

You have no idea what their cycles were and cannot conclude whether or not you are "right".

**guest589745** · 11-25-2006, 04:37 PM

I must be lucky. Never had any problems (Knock on wood) with being shutdown. Only side effect I notice is acne.

**magic32** · 11-25-2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Or is it either shutdown or not?

Know what I'm sayin?

Just makin sure......

No!
There are not varying degrees of 'shut down', however, there are degrees of suppression. Think of suppression in terms of illness. You can be slightly ill, moderately ill, very ill, gravely ill or dead. In this analogy 'shut down' is death, it is a definitive or absolute condition in which NO natty Test is being produced.

And as expressed earlier, it's far more than the failure of your soldier to salute. ED (Erectile Dysfunction) is merely one of many symptoms leading up to, or during 'shut down' and need not necessarily occur at all because synthetic Test alleviates the condition...which is why we run low doses of Test with suppressive gear.

Lastly, 'shut down' can have varying speeds as alluded to in earlier posts. Though MOST ALL gear run for cycle durations will eventually shut one down, some are more adept at this and thus do so much faster.

M.

**skipp** · 11-25-2006, 05:36 PM

I don't even know if this can be proved through studies. I mean once you inject the test, there is no way to tell which one is exo and which one is endo. So them they move on to testing LH; Which has previously shown in some studies that it doesn't decrease a whole lot with administration of testosterone . But then you look at testicular atrophy, which doesn't even happen to all people. But is for sure a good sign of being suppressed pretty bad. It's going to be different for everyone, and I'd love to see a study that came up with a real conclusion.

**guest589745** · 11-25-2006, 10:04 PM

Whatever Hijackers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No prob.

Bump for more opinions ?

**guest589745** · 12-17-2006, 11:33 PM

Bump for more opinions/input.

There is varying degrees of suppression depending on what compound correct?

But within the same compound, you will be just as supressed from 100mg of that compound, as you would with 500 etc etc correct ?

**worldpower** · 12-17-2006, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Bump for more opinions/input.

There is varying degrees of suppression depending on what compound correct?

But within the same compound, you will be just as supressed from 100mg of that compound, as you would with 500 etc etc correct ?

as far as i know , most if not all will shut you down completly while on,even with
a small dose

**topvega** · 12-17-2006, 11:52 PM

I can only speak for myself but from reading thru these posts I guess I have been really lucky. I have done tren =A, Prop, eq, Masteron for 20+ weeks and my Pct was a basic one and I never suffered any ED symptoms.. I did go from always wanting to have sex...hehe to not caring if I did or didn't but I cld always get my equipment to work... I think high dosage not compound wld be the only factor in shutting me totally down... thank god I have not gotten there yet...

**shrpskn** · 12-18-2006, 12:44 AM

The only way one is going to be able to gauge their degree of suppression is via blood work...not physiological symptoms, as there can be many other causes to such symptoms that can be linked to shutdown.

I do believe that certain compounds have a significantly higher risk for causing complete shutdown and at certain doses shutdown can occur more quickly. However, no matter the compound, there will be some form of suppression to the HPTA which with prolonged use or compound dependent, complete shutdown will eventually occur. No ifs, ands, or buts about it...otherwise we'd all be on all the time..nobody would ever come off the sauce.

Just my .02

-ShrpSkn