My First Cycle: Help & Advice!!!

**boDAWG** · 05-24-2007, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

yeah, i think ur logic behind PCT is slightly skewed, not saying its WRONG .. just not as methodical or practical as it SHOULD be for such an important role in aas usage.

like i said iv seen it used a lot of times, my best friends have used that method and liked it, its just a sugestion others might have something that has worked better for them

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by boDAWG

like i said iv seen it used a lot of times, my best friends have used that method and liked it, its just a sugestion others might have something that has worked better for them

and i knwo a few people who have used it for pct kuz it was the only AI they had and they said they could tell a huge diff in recovery with it and would never ever use it again.

**boDAWG** · 05-24-2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

and i knwo a few people who have used it for pct kuz it was the only AI they had and they said they could tell a huge diff in recovery with it and would never ever use it again.

i respect your opinion, but stand by my own as well

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 08:48 PM

How does this look?

The Cycle (Unofficial)

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-12 or 14: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-13 or 15: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed

PCT :

Clomid
Day 1 Post Cycle: Clomid @ 300mg
Days 2-14: Clomid @ 100mg ED
Days 15-28: Clomid @ 50mg ED

Nolva
Days 1-28: Nolva @ 20mg ED

*If I do decide to run a cutting/strength agent, then I will either run 50mg of Var, Winny, or Halo during weeks 8-12. Haven't decided on which yet. I had Tren in mind, but after doing some research, I don't think I will since it adds a few extra pounds. How many pounds and results would we be talking about with Test E and Tren? What do you suggest would be a best fit and way to include an extra agent for what I'm looking for?

*HCG : 2 Weeks Before End of Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 3 times a week
1 Week Before End of Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 3 times a week
First Week Post-Cycle: HCG @ 1500IUs 2 times a week

**Martek** · 05-24-2007, 09:00 PM

Just go with 2cc/week of Test-E as your first cycle. Simple.. once a week injections... perfect for beginners bro.

**Martek** · 05-24-2007, 09:01 PM

No your PCT is pretty messed up, you should pyramid your nolva down. week 1 = 40mg.day week 2 30mg.day and week 3 20mg day

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 09:03 PM

Or would running HCG at 250iu twice a week from week 7 or 8 up until about a week before I start pct be better?

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 09:04 PM

omg
were are u people getting these PCT IDEAS?!

look
increasing nolva is POINTLESS 20mg will more than suffice and as for an AI for pct.. AROMASIN is PERFECT! and i wouldnt use any other AI.
as for ur SERM Toremifene would probably be far more ideal than nolva but not as readily available.
u dont need clomid its practically POINTLESS.

seroiusly RESEARCH PCT as it is the most important aspect to any cycle.
until u really understand it DO NOT start ur cycle.

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

omg
were are u people getting these PCT IDEAS?!

look
increasing nolva is POINTLESS 20mg will more than suffice and as for an AI for pct.. AROMASIN is PERFECT! and i wouldnt use any other AI.
as for ur SERM Toremifene would probably be far more ideal than nolva but not as readily available.
u dont need clomid its practically POINTLESS.

seroiusly RESEARCH PCT as it is the most important aspect to any cycle.
until u really understand it DO NOT start ur cycle.

I keep getting different opinions from others who tell me that I'm running my PCT wrong and should do it a different way.

So running Nolva throughout PCT at 20mg ed is fine? So Aromasin and Nolva for PCT are fine? If I can get my hands on some Toremifene, then I will use it instead of Nolva. What do think about running Proviron ?

What's your opinion on running HCG since I keep getting different view on it?

Thanks.

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by athlete20

I keep getting different opinions from others who tell me that I'm running my PCT wrong and should do it a different way.

So running Nolva throughout PCT at 20mg ed is fine? So Aromasin and Nolva for PCT are fine? If I can get my hands on some Toremifene, then I will use it instead of Nolva. What do think about running Proviron ?

What's your opinion on running HCG since I keep getting different view on it?

Thanks.

really u only need a good serm/ai combo for ur pct for that cycle.
prov is ok not mandatory by any means.
personaly nolva+aromasin is perfectly ideal.

hcg is great i guess.. though it does cause suppresion to ur leutenizing hormone so i wouldnt really bother w/it on a cycle of that type.

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

really u only need a good serm/ai combo for ur pct for that cycle.
prov is ok not mandatory by any means.
personaly nolva+aromasin is perfectly ideal.

hcg is great i guess.. though it does cause suppresion to ur leutenizing hormone so i wouldnt really bother w/it on a cycle of that type.

Ok.

I have some extra Arimidex , would that be fine instead of Aromasin?

So any of these would be fine, right?

Arimidex .5mg,.5mg,.5mg,.5mg or Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Nolva 20mg,20mg,10mg,10mg

Arimidex .5mg,.5mg,.5mg,.5mg or Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,30mg

And regarding running/adding another agent alongside Test?

*If I do decide to run a cutting/strength agent, then I will either run 50mg of Var, Winny, or Halo during weeks 8-12. Haven't decided on which yet. I had Tren in mind, but after doing some research, I don't think I will since it adds a few extra pounds. How many pounds and results would we be talking about with Test E and Tren? What do you suggest would be a best fit and way to include an extra agent for what I'm looking for?

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 10:04 PM

i dont live var, too weak imo though people like CD love it so beats me. personal pref ur just going to have to play around w/ different compounds in a respectful manner to figure out what works best for you.
i like win alot but its pretty vicious on me joints.

arimidex isnt as IDEAL as aromasin for pct but in personal experience i couldnot tell a difference though aromasin is suppose to be far more beneficial to ur lipid profile.

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

i dont live var, too weak imo though people like CD love it so beats me. personal pref ur just going to have to play around w/ different compounds in a respectful manner to figure out what works best for you.
i like win alot but its pretty vicious on me joints.

arimidex isnt as IDEAL as aromasin for pct but in personal experience i couldnot tell a difference though aromasin is suppose to be far more beneficial to ur lipid profile.

So which do you suggest I should try out first?

Ok. Thanks.

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by athlete20

So which do you suggest I should try out first?

Ok. Thanks.

flip a coin.

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

flip a coin.

That simple, huh.

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by athlete20

That simple, huh.

pretty much...
var is weaker, more mild.
win is going to dry u out more and make u stronger

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

pretty much...
var is weaker, more mild.
win is going to dry u out more and make u stronger

are the strength gains better on winny than on var?

when would you suggest i add either of the 2 into my cycle (12 weeks)?

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by athlete20

are the strength gains better on winny than on var?

when would you suggest i add either of the 2 into my cycle (12 weeks)?

var would be nice addition to the front where as win would be good at the end IMO
since the DHT properties of Win can possibly aid in freeing up test and helping in recovery.

win > var for str gains

**athlete20** · 05-24-2007, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

var would be nice addition to the front where as win would be good at the end IMO
since the DHT properties of Win can possibly aid in freeing up test and helping in recovery.

win > var for str gains

ok. ima go with winny (50mg/wk for the final 6 weeks).

**boDAWG** · 05-24-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

omg
were are u people getting these PCT IDEAS?!

haha lol

**athlete20** · 05-25-2007, 04:01 PM

The Official Cycle!!!

Pre-Cycle:

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed

Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 7-14: Winny (caps) 50mg ed

HCG:

Week 6-12: HCG 500ui/wk (250iu twice a week)

PCT (2 weeks after last Test E injection, PCT will begin):

Either of the following:

Aromasin 25mgs/day (ED)
Nolva 20mg,20mg,10mg,10mg (ED)
DHEA 200mg, 150mg, 100mg, 50mg (ED)

Aromasin 25mgs/day (ED)
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,30mg (ED)
DHEA 200mg, 150mg, 100mg, 50mg (ED)

**athlete20** · 05-27-2007, 12:52 AM

So I'll be dosing winny at either 50mg (1 cap) ed or 100mg (2 caps) eod. But, I was reading up on winny and found out that when taken in oral form, the usual dosage is 15-25mg ed. I was just wondering if 50mg eod would be more adequate for a first cycle?

**taiboxa** · 05-27-2007, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by athlete20

So I'll be dosing winny at either 50mg (1 cap) ed or 100mg (2 caps) eod. But, I was reading up on winny and found out that when taken in oral form, the usual dosage is 15-25mg ed. I was just wondering if 50mg eod would be more adequate for a first cycle?

if ur taking it orally definetly go w/ 50mg ED

**athlete20** · 05-27-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

if ur taking it orally definetly go w/ 50mg ED

yeah, thanks. that's the conclusion i just came to.

what's your opinion overall about Letro? i'm using it for bloating and to avoid any gyno issues, but i'm a little concerned about taking it for 16 weeks and then proceeding with another AI during PCT. would it be fine to proceed as i have listed, or would i be better off dropping it and just keeping it on hand for any gyno issues?

**taiboxa** · 05-27-2007, 06:21 PM

honestly AI's and SERMS are nothing special in my book, they have never stopped bloating for me or done much for gyno as im NOT prone to it nor does my current gyno swell on insane doses of test. my gyno is from pubery and its not going anywhere fast till i get it cut out. but its also not increasing or multiplying.

so in all honesty iono anymore lol i suppose arimidex on cycle aromasin for pct as for ur ancillaries.