Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains

[GGallin]

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[dupa95]

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[hugovsilva]

[Hephens]

I would just like to say please don't kill your estrogen too much while cycleing it affected my gains and a perfect example was made i hadnt realize wtf went on between me and my mate till i realize i was using AI and he was using nolva, both did same cycle both ate too much food, both had same strength he came out bigger than me after the cycle i came out more defined cause i barely had water retention, but he came out with more acne i barely had any just a pimple here and there. So if u want more size and can put up with the estrogen sides use nolva or a mild anti E and if you don't want much sides and don't mind losing less than usualy gains, use AI. Btw You still make huge gains using AI's

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[RapaciousShark]

je ne comprend pas....

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[Sculpture]

I know I sound crazy but I love estrogen!!! That's right I said I love estrogen!! haha When I take any anti-estrogens or e-inhibitors or blockers i have to use twice as much gear to get half as huch gains. Plus my hair sheds and my skin looks dry and ugly, also my joints hurt.

I'm fortunate not to be gyno prone and I love to run 750mg test with some deca or eq and no nolva etc. I feel and look great and the gains come easy. I believe that it is much healthier to take a dose your body can handle without estrogenic sides. If you have to use estrogen blockers then your using too high of a dose of test and your wasting gear, money, and your health, that's my 2 cents peace

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[aer_vlad]

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[InsaneMike]

I'll let my experience out. I was in wk 7 TestE(500mg)&Deca (400mg), and then gyno started to form, i used C-Bino's reversal and that worked great.
But it really effected my training and gains, strenght din't go up fast anymore, and i lost 7 pounds of water. My head wasnt right also, I din't feel that crazy explosive feeling you get if youre on.

Then after 5wks I stopped the letro and switched from Test/Deca to Sust/Tren , I wanted to reach a certain goad. And till now the strenght gains are crazy, just like the mass. My nipple's are hurting a little and I take 20mg Nolva ED, that stops it from growing, but doesnt effect my gains like letro.

On the other hand, letro @ 2.5mg ED is a high dose, maybe on 0.5mg EOD wouldnt be that bad.

[Sculpture]

I had nipple flare up once on 500mg per week sus and 700mg per week deca . I've learned that in that combo it can get me. I can take 100mg per week test even throw in some d-bol and be ok but with high deca dosage the gyno tries to start . So the inclusion of progesterone is what gets me not high estrogen. Right now im on 750mg per week sustanon 600mg per week eq and 350mg per week deca and not a hint of nipple activity. I keep nolva nearby incase but i refuse to use it unless i have to cuz these gains and the way i feel are to good to be limiting as a prevention.

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[Merc..]

This thread is awesome in my opinon. Definatly a good discussion. And um, do you need to bump this so much? This thread is 6 pages long and I swear 5 of them were dupa lol .

My question is what if you're very prone to gyno? Would you run an AI during the whole cycle and sacrafice the gains from estrogen? As I previously stated (on page 3 or something) taking letro on and off during a cycle would result in a chaotic spike of hormone levels all the time - letro may not even reach a steady plasma level in your blood. ???

So...could you run a real low amount of a-dex the whole time?

Reading between C Bino's gyno reversal thread and Merc's post is a flood of different information.

These are just some thoughts that don't seem to be real clear and wondered what everyone thought. I was real curious in what you thought Merc.
Thanks for your time.

~aer_vlad

Yea, if you are gyno prone you could consider using an AI for the entire cycle ......


Merc.

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i run armidex through every single cycle i do at a low level and i always make great gains. could i gain more if i didnt use it? probably, but i perfer to keep the water off my body. i personally would rather gain 11lbs of muscle on a cycle then gain 20lbs and have half of it be water because we all know the problems that can come with water. i used to never use any kind of anti-e's and i never got any kind of gyno symptoms before so obviously im not prone. of course i dont run 2mgs of letro a day because i dont want to block all the estrogen or my gains would be horrible but the low dose of armidex works great for me. i dont think everyone should do this because alot of you are 170lbs and every lb you gain makes your day but everyone is different. now the people out there that are gyno prone should definatly run a mild anti-e because losing a few pounds during a cycle is better then growing a set of b-cups

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[Schmidty]

I use to run letro through my cycles because i have netty gyno n didnt want to make it any worse. The past few cycles i have done i diddnt use a AI n i have made phenominal gains and a lower dose of gear2.

[Merc..]

I use to run letro through my cycles because i have netty gyno n didnt want to make it any worse. The past few cycles i have done i diddnt use a AI n i have made phenominal gains and a lower dose of gear2.

Cool, Thanks for your feedback Schmidty ..




Merc.

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What dose of Armidex do you run? I've read that some start anti-e's 2 weeks before the cycle for their blood levels to steady out. Do you do this?

usually around .25mgs per day

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[shifty_git]

should b a sticky

[JAY_WD]

bump... yes agree....should be a sticky

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[Merc..]

T.t.t

[jackdup04]

quality post...

[Merc..]

quality post...

Thanks ..





Merc.

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[ChuckLee]

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[needbigguns]

I have been using around 4mgs of Arimidex every 3-4 days - is this bad ?

[shifty_git]

I have been using around 4mgs of Arimidex every 3-4 days - is this bad ?

Thats a very high dose of Arimidex as an AI on cycle,

most guys go for around 0.25mg per day to keep blood levels constant.

[needbigguns]

would 1mg every 4th day be ok ? I struggle to shoot each day and take tabs/squirts because of my job you see

[ChuckLee]

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[ChuckLee]

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[legobricks]

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