Fat cut with minimal muscle loss?

**Lemonada8** · 02-20-2008, 01:07 AM

Ok i am new to this but i have been researching this for a while now. I was wanting to maybe go on a cycle to basically lose some belly, while minimizing the muscle loss. As i have seen on other threads, my stats are i am 6'5'', 235 lbs, my diet is pretty good, not great but i consume about 2x my weight in protein and try to minimize carbos and fat. also about 18% true bodyfat (underwater wei***ng) basically i have a 4 pack and a "hotdog" :S, but i was wanting to lose that last little because i have been working for a long time to do it. I have been working out steady for at least 5 years. So back to my original question, i was wanting to get rid of that last little bit of fat and gain some upper body mass. Which would be a good start, i was thinking about winstrol , but didnt know if i can get the body mass gain that i want. I only want to gain a net 5-10 lbs, but lose the fat also. I also saw trenbolone , so what is everyones opinion? Thanks

P.S. thanks for all the support i have seen on other threads, its very useful!

**hugovsilva** · 02-20-2008, 01:12 AM

Age and cycle experience?

**Lemonada8** · 02-20-2008, 01:14 AM

Oops, i forgot to add that, 22 and none

**spywizard** · 02-20-2008, 01:14 AM

diet.. diet.. diet..

or rather

meal plan meal plan meal plan

**100m champ** · 02-20-2008, 01:16 AM

Lol! Come On Bro Diet First

**Lemonada8** · 02-20-2008, 01:17 AM

i am doing that, i started a meal chart last weekend, so i should have more of the diet available..... but i havent gotten anywhere more with diet thats why i am looking into this....

**spywizard** · 02-20-2008, 01:28 AM

hahah.. well

let me show you an example..

I'm 47 yrs old.. 210 lbs.. strong on and off cycle.. i hold a little too much fat unless i really cut down, an i can get to 11-12% which looks very good on me..

my daily requirement is about 3100 cals, so i drop it to 2500 for 4 weeks then to 2100 for 4 weeks, then to 1800 cals for 4 weeks.. ( i don't usually make it to 1800)

anyway.

if i take
500mg test 1-10
60mg var 4-10
and i dont follow a strict meal plan i will weigh about 200-210 lbs, and get to about 14%-16% bf that's 28-32 lbs of fat

if i follow the same routine and follow a strict meal plan i will be 190-200 with about 10-12% bf and be very dry 20-24 lbs of fat

see the difference?? my wife and everyone else can..

I'll make it to 185 by June this year at about 9% bf, i don't need to buy a whole new wardrobe, so i'm plenty big..

oh i'm 5'9"

and my cycle experience is significant..
deca
test
var
tbol
eq
hgh
pgcl
winny
DNP
Halo
HCG yes use this during the cycle

the one single most important thing i have learned in the past 5 years??

how to eat correctly.. and i'm still learning..

good luck..

**Lemonada8** · 02-20-2008, 01:34 AM

so what are you recommending? for the cycle?

**New2Anabolic** · 02-20-2008, 09:33 AM

Sounds like it's 100% your diet big guy.

AAS won't eat that "hot dog" ... if you keep eating those hot dogs.
(unless of course it's a cheat, on keto or something?)

Anyways, eat right - train hard - and you will see results OH so fast.

Clen is also a solid fat burner. But if you don't eat great (not "good") you will be left wondering why you "wasted" your money on this thing.

(ps. Clen is a personal thought, if you DO feel the need to excersise my offshoot advice, please; for all that is holy -research Clen, because it's not an easy AS to take. Side effects aren't minimal - for a newb)

**Z-Ro** · 02-20-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

hahah.. well

let me show you an example..

I'm 47 yrs old.. 210 lbs.. strong on and off cycle.. i hold a little too much fat unless i really cut down, an i can get to 11-12% which looks very good on me..

my daily requirement is about 3100 cals, so i drop it to 2500 for 4 weeks then to 2100 for 4 weeks, then to 1800 cals for 4 weeks.. ( i don't usually make it to 1800)

anyway.

if i take
500mg test 1-10
60mg var 4-10
and i dont follow a strict meal plan i will weigh about 200-210 lbs, and get to about 14%-16% bf that's 28-32 lbs of fat

if i follow the same routine and follow a strict meal plan i will be 190-200 with about 10-12% bf and be very dry 20-24 lbs of fat

see the difference?? my wife and everyone else can..

I'll make it to 185 by June this year at about 9% bf, i don't need to buy a whole new wardrobe, so i'm plenty big..

oh i'm 5'9"

and my cycle experience is significant..
deca
test
var
tbol
eq
hgh
pgcl
winny
DNP
Halo
HCG yes use this during the cycle

the one single most important thing i have learned in the past 5 years??

how to eat correctly.. and i'm still learning..

good luck..

Good post man, thats probably one of the most strait foward posts I have read in awhile.

IMO AAS is the easy part...diet and training is something you have to do day in and out so that you get a feel of what works for you and what does not...