Cytomel discussion chime in guys...

[soulstealer]

Thanks reddragon4954 for your other thread sparked a question....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...62#post3854162

Brings up an interesting question... we all know T3 is highly catabolic because it literally processes nutrients faster.....Accelerating your metabolism burns off cals..... but its also anabolic in nature your body seeks a balance...I have used T3 in bulking and cutting and noticed great results in both... so here the question... if ones on cycle.... runs t3 at a higher dosage when bulking but compensates by consuming huge amounts of calories to off set the metabolic stimulation effect... would it not be safe to assume that based on the increased caloric consumption you could actually increase your rate of recovery?

[soulstealer]

Or just completely leave me hanging..... I see how it is

[soulstealer]

Bump anyone?

[magic32]

Your reasoning here is logical, but you also begin with a couple of false premises which deteriorate the argument. For example:

thanks reddragon4954 for your other thread sparked a question....

HTTP://FORUMS.STEROID.COM/SHOWTHREAD...62#POST3854162

Brings up an interesting question... We all know t3 is highly catabolic because it literally processes nutrients faster
TRUE.

.....Accelerating your metabolism burns off cals.....
TRUE.

But its also anabolic in nature your body seeks a balance...
FALSE.
MAYBE YOU'RE THINKING OF CLEN WHICH AFTER CONTINUOUS USE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS SHOWS MILD ANABOLIC PROPERTIES.

T3 IS NOT ANABOLIC, BUT RATHER CATABOLIC, WHICH IS WHY IT BEST ADMINISTERED IN THE PRESENCE OF AN ANABOLIC AGENT.

I have used t3 in bulking and cutting and noticed great results in both...
IT CAN BE USED “IN/DURING” BULKING, BUT NOT “FOR” IT...AGAIN IT ISN'T ANABOLIC.

So here the question... If ones on cycle.... Runs t3 at a higher dosage when bulking but compensates by consuming huge amounts of calories to off set the metabolic stimulation effect...
FALSE.
THIS HYPOTHESIS CANNOT BE EFFECTIVELY EXECUTED, BECAUSE OF T3'S INDISCRIMINANT NATURE. YOU'RE PRESUPPOSING THAT THE DRUG WILL SAY, "SINCE I HAVE ALL THIS EXTRA FOOD THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO TAX MUSCLE FOR ENERGY". THIS SIMPLY ISN'T THE CASE, AS T3 INDISCRIMINATELY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY TAXES FOOD/READY FUEL, FAT/PRIMARY STORED FUEL, AND MUSCLE/SECONDARY STORED FUEL. THERE IS NO HIERARCHY. T3 DOESN'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT, OR HOW MUCH FAT OR MUSCLE YOU POSSESS.

WOULD IT NOT BE SAFE TO ASSUME THAT BASED ON THE INCREASED CALORIC CONSUMPTION YOU COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE YOUR RATE OF RECOVERY?
FALSE.
RECOVERY IS NOT FOUNDED ON CALORIC INTAKE, BUT RATHER THE SYNERGY OF PROPERLY TIMED APPROPRIATE NUTRIENTS (FOODS & SUPPLEMENTS), REST FOR THE FORMERLY WORKED MUSCLES AND/OR ENTIRE BODY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF EXERCISE OR LABOR PERFORMED, AND HIGH QUALITY SLEEP. THUS EXCESSIVE CALORIES (BEYOND NORMAL CYCLE NEEDS) WOULD NOT POSITIVE EFFECT RECOVERY. IT IS THE DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE THAT WOULD RING TRUE, AS THE SURPLUS IN CALORIES WOULD SERVE ONLY TO HINDER OR BOG DOWN THE BODY'S SYSTEMS REDUCING OUTPUT AND RESULTS.

METABOLIC - STALLS AND SLOWS WITH TOO MANY CALORIES, EXPLAINING HOW OVEREATERS GAIN WEIGHT. IF THE SYSTEM COULD ADJUST TO MATCH THE DEMAND AS YOU PROPOSE, OVEREATING WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

DIGESTIVE UPPER (NUTRIENT PROCESSING) & LOWER (ELIMINATION)- BECOMES BACKED UP, TAKING MORE TIME TO CLEAR AND INCREASING THE PROPENSITY FOR STORAGE (FAT) AND PUTRIFICATION.

CIRCULATORY - WASTES ENERGY BY RE-ROUTING BLOOD TO DIGESTION INSTEAD OF AUTONOMIC SYSTEMS AND RECOVERY.

CENTRAL NERVOUS SYS - STALLS CAUSING LETHARGY DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED LOSS OF ENRICHED CIRCULATORY SUPPLY.

Eating too much is never a good idea, one is far better off eating just below maintenance, of course not during cycle, as this causes all systems to heighten. An example can found during fasting, which not only has biologically recuperative powers, but also reparative and healing ones.

[soulstealer]

thanks reddragon4954 for your other thread sparked a question....

HTTP://FORUMS.STEROID.COM/SHOWTHREAD...62#POST3854162

Brings up an interesting question... We all know t3 is highly catabolic because it literally processes nutrients faster
TRUE.

.....Accelerating your metabolism burns off cals.....
TRUE.

But its also anabolic in nature your body seeks a balance...
FALSE.
MAYBE YOU'RE THINKING OF CLEN WHICH AFTER CONTINUOUS USE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS SHOWS MILD ANABOLIC PROPERTIES.

T3 IS NOT ANABOLIC, BUT RATHER CATABOLIC, WHICH IS WHY IT BEST ADMINISTERED IN THE PRESENCE OF AN ANABOLIC AGENT.

I have used t3 in bulking and cutting and noticed great results in both...
IT CAN BE USED “IN/DURING” BULKING, BUT NOT “FOR” IT...AGAIN IT ISN'T ANABOLIC.

So here the question... If ones on cycle.... Runs t3 at a higher dosage when bulking but compensates by consuming huge amounts of calories to off set the metabolic stimulation effect...
FALSE.
THIS HYPOTHESIS CANNOT BE EFFECTIVELY EXECUTED, BECAUSE OF T3'S INDISCRIMINANT NATURE. YOU'RE PRESUPPOSING THAT THE DRUG WILL SAY, "SINCE I HAVE ALL THIS EXTRA FOOD THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO TAX MUSCLE FOR ENERGY". THIS SIMPLY ISN'T THE CASE, AS T3 INDISCRIMINATELY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY TAXES FOOD/READY FUEL, FAT/PRIMARY STORED FUEL, AND MUSCLE/SECONDARY STORED FUEL. THERE IS NO HIERARCHY. T3 DOESN'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT, OR HOW MUCH FAT OR MUSCLE YOU POSSESS.

WOULD IT NOT BE SAFE TO ASSUME THAT BASED ON THE INCREASED CALORIC CONSUMPTION YOU COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE YOUR RATE OF RECOVERY?
FALSE.
RECOVERY IS NOT FOUNDED ON CALORIC INTAKE, BUT RATHER THE SYNERGY OF PROPERLY TIMED APPROPRIATE NUTRIENTS (FOODS & SUPPLEMENTS), REST FOR THE FORMERLY WORKED MUSCLES AND/OR ENTIRE BODY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF EXERCISE OR LABOR PERFORMED, AND HIGH QUALITY SLEEP. THUS EXCESSIVE CALORIES (BEYOND NORMAL CYCLE NEEDS) WOULD NOT POSITIVE EFFECT RECOVERY. IT IS THE DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE THAT WOULD RING TRUE, AS THE SURPLUS IN CALORIES WOULD SERVE ONLY TO HINDER OR BOG DOWN THE BODY'S SYSTEMS REDUCING OUTPUT AND RESULTS.
FALSE as T3 actullay increases GH levels and Protein synthesis thus the extra calories being processed by your body helps with recovery as the Nutrients are used efficiently Thus excess calories as T3 would artifically increase your BMR would be in the range of normal bulking cycle needs causing a positive recovery effect.

METABOLIC - STALLS AND SLOWS WITH TOO MANY CALORIES, EXPLAINING HOW OVEREATERS GAIN WEIGHT. IF THE SYSTEM COULD ADJUST TO MATCH THE DEMAND AS YOU PROPOSE, OVEREATING WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
FALSE again as T3 is increasing your BMR cause your caloric surplus to be in line with standard bulking cycle requirements not over eating...


DIGESTIVE UPPER (NUTRIENT PROCESSING) & LOWER (ELIMINATION)- BECOMES BACKED UP, TAKING MORE TIME TO CLEAR AND INCREASING THE PROPENSITY FOR STORAGE (FAT) AND PUTRIFICATION.

This is just silly that if your eating 5000 instead of 4000 to bulk because thats whats required that this would play a huge impact as long as you followed the most basic nutritional science of eating enough fiber/EFA's....

CIRCULATORY - WASTES ENERGY BY RE-ROUTING BLOOD TO DIGESTION INSTEAD OF AUTONOMIC SYSTEMS AND RECOVERY.

Again silly as most people on this board already eat 4000+ cals in 6 daily meals so everyone would succom to this with your logic...

CENTRAL NERVOUS SYS - STALLS CAUSING LETHARGY DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED LOSS OF ENRICHED CIRCULATORY SUPPLY.

Again silly as we would be suffering this anyway using your logic...

Confused as everything you listed doesnt apply to a slightly higher BMR and required caloric input to achieve a surplus...

But what you actually said there is its a never a good idea to eat more calories then you expend when bulking

[magic32]

Confused as everything you listed doesnt apply to a slightly higher BMR and required caloric input to achieve a surplus...

But what you actually said there is its a never a good idea to eat more calories then you expend when bulking

I guess I misunderstood the apparent redundancy, and took your use of the conjunction "but", in the traditional grammatical meaning (that of joining clauses) to mean overeating since you'd already cited bulking.

“if ones on cycle.... runs t3 at a higher dosage when bulking

but

compensates by consuming huge amounts of calories to off set the metabolic stimulation effect”

Maybe my understanding of the English language is not as acute as yours.
In any event my answer to your primary question, that of better recovery based on more calories, is still most valid.

And I’m sorry you found my information "SILLY" rather than simple misunderstanding, I'll be sure to try harder to please you next time.

[soulstealer]

I guess I misunderstood the apparent redundancy, and took your use of the conjunction "but", in the traditional grammatical meaning (that of joining clauses) to mean overeating since you'd already cited bulking.


Maybe my understanding of the English language is not as acute as yours.
In any event my answer to your primary question, that of better recovery based on more calories, is still most valid.

And I’m sorry you found my information "SILLY" rather than simple misunderstanding, I'll be sure to try harder to please you next time.

Well maybe if perhaps if your answers weren't bold and executed in such a pompous manner I would have interpreted it as a misunderstanding instead of an attempt to sustain ones current level of super expanded ego inflation...... Just a thought....

[soulstealer]

Anyway on a side note... what do you think? you know about the subject matter...lol

[magic32]

I shall attempt to work on that as well (he said humbly).


Actually, I bold them not for emphasis, as exemplified by everything being in bold, but rather to make differentiating my reply from the writer's question easier (he said sincerely).

Thanks for setting me straight!

[soulstealer]

I shall attempt to work on that as well (he said humbly).


Actually, I bold them not for emphasis, as exemplified by everything being in bold, but rather to make differentiating my reply from the writer's question easier (he said sincerely).

Thanks for setting me straight!

Again a misunderstanding because if you took the time to read what I posted slowly you would see that I differentiated the bold type from your pompous attitude....you clearly understand the meaning of but..... But I guess its safe to assume and escapes you? anyway I'm goona drop this its silly...

[magic32]

It's easy for someone to see what they want to whether positively through rose-colored glasses, or negatively as I am portrayed here through mud-covered ones, but such is life.

I'm not here for animosity...
...but rather camaraderie...

You have good night.

[naturalsux]

It's easy for someone to see what they want to whether positively through rose-colored glasses, or negatively as I am portrayed here through mud-covered ones, but such is life.

I'm not here for animosity...
...but rather camaraderie...

You have good night.

magic your post are so informative. i learn something new every time i read your post. i usually have to read it twice to take it in. dont stop doing what your doing.

thank you

[magic32]

magic your post are so informative. i learn something new every time i read your post. i usually have to read it twice to take it in. dont stop doing what your doing.

thank you

Thanks!
That's all I try to do, and with humility I might add...no superciliousness is EVER intended.
Nor do I mean to offend w/my vocab...that's just me as those who are familiar can attest. And as stated in the first line of my sig.

Thanks again.

[naturalsux]

Thanks!
That's all I try to do, and with humility I might add...no superciliousness is EVER intended.
Nor do I mean to offend w/my vocab...that's just me as those who are familiar can attest. And as stated in the first line of my sig.

Thanks again.

its not your fault your smarter than us. being really smart will make you have a vocab that will offends others at times.


soulstealer your smart too

[wilson9d]

magic your post are so informative. i learn something new every time i read your post. dont stop doing what your doing.

thank you

Agreed, I think Magic is a professor at a university.