A brief guide to everything I know : discussion thread

**FallenWyvern** · 07-20-2008, 10:00 PM

Good read.

**binsser** · 07-21-2008, 02:23 PM

thats a great thread now im starting to answer all the qs rolling around in my head ! well done m8

**Drummerboy** · 07-23-2008, 02:26 AM

good effort... i hate to be a critic but there are many refinements that need to be made about things like tren /deca ... i havent had time to read thru but ill give it a look later. Some of the info is too simplified and may be misunderstood or worse misused. Good effort tho, trying to help others!

**one8nine** · 07-23-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

good effort... i hate to be a critic but there are many refinements that need to be made about things like tren/deca... i havent had time to read thru but ill give it a look later. Some of the info is too simplified and may be misunderstood or worse misused. Good effort tho, trying to help others!

like what?
i really put my heart into it trying to make it the perfect balance between informative and simple

**Drummerboy** · 07-23-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

like what?
i really put my heart into it trying to make it the perfect balance between informative and simple

dont get me wrong... u did this to help and i do that too... my own threads always get refined as i learn... obviously it is good enough to sticky

**Drummerboy** · 07-23-2008, 11:33 PM

no prob

**one8nine** · 07-24-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

-nandrolone is a naturally occuring hormone. In small amounts.
where have you learned that? i read once it was only man made
-nandrolone and trenbolone are VASTLY different, and it has nothing to do with how fast they peak. Even tho they are both nor-9's, the act very different. Only esters determine life in the body, and both have long and short esters available. Tren shouldnt be messed with by beginners, where nan can.
i put strangth anger issues etc
-19 nors activate other receptors, like progesterone. (i think you may have said that tho...)
said that
-Nan and Tren can be taken together given a person can tolerate them with no gyno problems.
gyno isnt the only issue of highly stimulated progesterone
-Ive never heard of anyone jumpstarting a nan cycle with tren. although anything is possible.
i have and so have many of my friends. methyltren acutally, never tren ace though
-test does not need to be higher than 19 nors, it all about preference. The whole point of adding test is to avoid the low test sides. As little as 200mg can maintain, while a person takes 600mg of nan for example.
i didnt think i said that?
-Deca 's ability to help connective tissue lies in its ability to bind to receptors other than the androgen receptor. Not water retention. There is a great thread on it... where tho... i dunno
ill look for that. what receptors? can you help me find i im interested
-DHT's can hurt the joints.
i thought i put comething about colegin synthesis in there? maybe not
-cutting estrogen can easily SLOW gains and increase risk of joint injury. Estrogens role as an anti-inflamatory (helps the joints) is well documented.
thats why i put there is a good balance of the estrogens not being too high OR too low. they can go either way
-Tren is not a bulker. Gains are less, but solid. Tough on the HPTA though.
i disagree i use it to bulk just fine. nearly drug can be used for either, depends on diet and training. i powerlift and eat 6000+ kcals... so yah it is a bulker for me
-NEVER take any AI/SERM unless you need them, especially while cycling. As you get up there in dose, you may need them later. Everyone is different. Some ppl dont even need pct, and bounce back quickly. Its all relative. The trick is to get to know how YOU respond to PCT drugs, or any AAS for that matter. Thats why you start low... test only... then work your way from there.
wow i completely disagree with that whole spot. i never cycle without AI ater i figured out how great my energy and gains could be. and no pct for some people? thats over the top

I havent gotten all the way thru yet... ill finish later.

~DB~

thanks man i responded in bold some of those things are great if you could point me to where you learned them i would love to learn more on them man thanks

**Dog-Slime** · 07-24-2008, 10:28 AM

^ I've read the part about nandrolone being naturally occuring in small amounts. Think it was in a profile but maybe not the one from this site.

**scottyd311** · 07-24-2008, 02:44 PM

you know ur shite duude. all is very informational. thanks to dog-slime jigga man and one 8 nine, us newb's have an information highway on everything there is to know about aas! makes me wish i took chemistry seriously. once i start reading these posts its hard to stop.

**Drummerboy** · 07-24-2008, 07:57 PM

i dont want to go back and fourth in the thread as if to argue... im just tryin to help... perhaps we can stick to pms on individual topics if needed. i do agree, however, that diet does dictate gains.. although i do believe that there are better bulking AAS... diet is the bottom line tho. As for tren and deca ... i can use em together... however i keep the tren low and the deca moderate. I agree that high doses of both can be troublesome. You did mention that ppl say test should be run higher. Its a preference, not a necessity. I guess it doesnt really matter why deca helps the joints... we just know it does lol! I got into that pretty deep with a well researched person... i think we dug up all these medical studies about progesterone receptors and such, but i no longer keep all the links. No biggie, deca helps the joints. You did mentions (i saw after) that dht's raise collagen synthesis... albiet a much more poor quality. Yes, estogen has an ideal range. I just never cut it unless i dose real high, which i never do anymore. I dont take any AI's or SERMS while on, and i do a very light PCT, and i keep about 80%. Very good for me! But everyone is different... ill stick by that till the bitter end... High doses of aromatizing AAS need an AI at least. Gyno sensetive ppl need a serm. The PCT thing? I have friends who do deca only cycles, dont crash, and bounce back with no pct. Weird, ya. But reality.

Hope ya know im working with ya, not against ya!

**one8nine** · 07-24-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

i dont want to go back and fourth in the thread with arguments... perhaps we can stick to pms on individual topics if needed. i do agree, however, that diet does dictate gains.. although i do believe that there are better bulking AAS... diet is the bottom line tho. As for tren and deca ... i can use em together... however i keep the tren low and the deca moderate. I agree that high doses of both can be troublesome. You did mention that ppl say test should be run higher. Its a preference, not a necessity. I guess it doesnt really matter why deca helps the joints... we just know it does lol! I got into that pretty deep with a well researched person... i think we dug up all these medical studies about progesterone receptors and such, but i no longer keep all the links. No biggie, deca helps the joints. You did mentions (i saw after) that dht's raise collagen synthesis... albiet a much more poor quality. Yes, estogen has an ideal range. I just never cut it unless i dose real high, which i never do anymore. I dont take any AI's or SERMS while on, and i do a very light PCT, and i keep about 80%. Very good for me! But everyone is different... ill stick by that till the bitter end... High doses of aromatizing AAS need an AI at least. Gyno sensetive ppl need a serm. The PCT thing? I have friends who do deca only cycles, dont crash, and bounce back with no pct. Weird, ya. But reality.

Hope ya know im working with ya, not against ya!

oh by no means did i ever considder any of this an arguement. debate is healthy.
you def. said it best when you said everyone is different
in a day or so when i get a second im for sure going to sit down and add some things and reword some lines

thanks bro

**loellawrence** · 07-27-2008, 01:11 AM

all good bro
just tooooo much for me to read i have vto brak it down lol

**Decko** · 07-27-2008, 11:30 AM

great post man..i learned a lot from it

**Originator X** · 07-28-2008, 10:39 AM

From a noob's point of view: This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

**CAMboy** · 07-29-2008, 01:23 AM

Hormones – Nature’s tools to send messages

This is good but U might want to add a little something here...where does it send messages to? Organs? Tissues? Just a suggestion u don't have to do it...u've done a good job. Nice post.

**ballo** · 07-29-2008, 07:45 PM

a gr8 read for anyone who is learning about steriods a must for newbies like myself

**BadBarbie** · 07-30-2008, 05:08 PM

you should title this.. a brief guide to how i taught badbarbie everything she knows 6 months ago

LMAO 6 months ago he was just asking questions himself..... lolololol you havent learmed much yourself....

**N*E*R*D** · 08-01-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by BadBarbie

you should title this.. a brief guide to how i taught badbarbie everything she knows 6 months ago

Thats just plain wrong, please report to the cleavage thread. j/k j/k.

**g.gonzales90** · 08-04-2008, 07:59 AM

kudos to you one8nine for taking the time to generate all this info and making it as "simple yet descriptive" as possible. this will deff. help me assemble my plans of taking a more advanced cycle

**adolf85** · 08-04-2008, 01:20 PM

Hello people. Can you tell my - what is the difference between androgens and anabolic steroid ?
<div style="display:none;">Sorry for my English</div>

**one8nine** · 08-04-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by adolf85

Hello people. Can you tell my - what is the difference between androgens and anabolic steroid ?
<div style="display:none;">Sorry for my English</div>

androgens cause male characteristics

anabolics put simple things together to become more complex. ex: food -> muscle

most anabolic steroids are also androgenic

**Miller777** · 08-04-2008, 03:42 PM

Excellent thread dude a cant get enough info on pct but that thread just wrapped it up for me cheers

**one8nine** · 08-04-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Miller777

Excellent thread dude a cant get enough info on pct but that thread just wrapped it up for me cheers

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

gyno/sides
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

**"Maximus"** · 08-04-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

gyno/sides
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

Great posts 189... I've checked the three of them have become a better informed user after your brief summ. and research of the most common AAS used/you've experienced with.

**one8nine** · 08-04-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by "Maximus"

Great posts 189... I've checked the three of them have become a better informed user after your brief summ. and research of the most common AAS used/you've experienced with.

thanks dude, this info is just the tip of the iceberg but its def a huge head start to a lot of questions!

**"Maximus"** · 08-04-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

androgens cause male characteristics

anabolics put simple things together to become more complex. ex: food -> muscle

most anabolic steroids are also androgenic , which gets or creates more of the MAN in you...

Just completing the sentence there, after 189s.

/sarcasm on

Not taking in consideration your sexuality... lol

/sarcams off

**higherdesire** · 08-06-2008, 04:36 AM

how much water should I be consuming while working out?

**one8nine** · 08-06-2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by higherdesire

how much water should I be consuming while working out?

thats a really broad question.
1 gallon per day is healthy. up to 2 depending on your sweat/suppliments.
make sure youre getting vitamins/electrolites too.

**rhino1** · 08-07-2008, 02:11 AM

Good read 189....i learned everything i will ever need to know HE HE

**crackcop** · 08-09-2008, 12:08 PM

That was without a doubt some great info. I really learned alot from it

**dlovefitness** · 08-10-2008, 01:18 AM

so do the aux help with your cycle? if so which is better....letro or clen ?

**one8nine** · 08-10-2008, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by dlovefitness

so do the aux help with your cycle? if so which is better....letro or clen?

whats better steak or new shoes
theyre completely different how can you compare them
letro decreases estrogen/pgr related side effects
clen helps melt fat

**abstrack** · 08-12-2008, 07:40 PM

Nice read, but most of everything you posted can be found in the forum from other members who have done the same thing as you over the years.

I don't know if I would go as far as a sticky, but the content of the material was good nonetheless.

**Hold_your_breath** · 08-14-2008, 05:43 AM

very useful - thank you...

**abstrack** · 08-14-2008, 05:10 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265484

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=7123

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1277

Here is a link to the educational forum. it basically has a plethora of threads containing the same information and then some. This is a great starting point for all people, and even a nice refresher.

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

**higherdesire** · 08-14-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

thats a really broad question.
1 gallon per day is healthy. up to 2 depending on your sweat/suppliments.
make sure youre getting vitamins/electrolites too.

Thanks.

**one8nine** · 08-14-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by abstrack

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265484

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=7123

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1277

Here is a link to the educational forum. it basically has a plethora of threads containing the same information and then some. This is a great starting point for all people, and even a nice refresher.

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

thanks ill quote you on the op

**RANA** · 08-17-2008, 10:09 AM

Nice job

**Bullyson** · 08-25-2008, 01:19 PM

Props 189. Im going to have to read it 47 more times before I start retaining but read, read, read I will. I shouldnt have smoked so much dank in my day. ~swwwwwwwww~

**patrick1** · 08-27-2008, 10:05 AM

good info will read another few times before i put my next cycle together
only prob my 2 suppliers don`t stock letro or caber
i am using 0.25 mg arimidex while on present cycle (400mg test cyp) sore nips gone
thanks