Ok guys thanks for all the help. I think im going to try its like this guy says. I have done my own research and I think most of the points he makes are good. i however do have a few more questions. Will i get bitch tits and how can i stop this if i do. i don't know too much about bitch tits but thats one part that worries me alot. and what was the gear i was supose to take with this to stop water retention? Also is there any side effects on sex drive or do you nuts shrink? well thanks for everything guys especially for taking the time to type those long posts and informing me. any other info will be greatly appreciated.